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Debbie Downer
06-13-2013, 09:38 PM
Who, in your opinion, is the most influential Tea Party figure and why do you think so?

TaftFan
06-13-2013, 09:40 PM
You forgot Ron

Debbie Downer
06-13-2013, 09:40 PM
You forgot Ron

Ron who?

phill4paul
06-13-2013, 09:48 PM
Why is there no Limbaugh? He's the "two if by tea" guy, no?

V3n
06-13-2013, 09:48 PM
I was gonna say Rand Paul.

Debbie Downer
06-13-2013, 09:48 PM
Why is there no Limbaugh? He's the "two if by tea" guy, no?

Limbaugh is basically the founder, so it would be unfair to add him in.

Debbie Downer
06-13-2013, 09:49 PM
I was gonna say Rand Paul.

Rand is only Tea Party because Sarah Palin endorsed him and brought him on board with Tea Party ideals.

V3n
06-13-2013, 09:50 PM
Rand is only Tea Party because Sarah Palin endorsed him and brought him on board with Tea Party ideals.

So he is Tea Party. :p

Natural Citizen
06-13-2013, 09:50 PM
Gosh. Hm. I think I'm in the wrong aisle. Was looking for home made tea and all I see here is the instant stuff. Scwewy...

Anti Federalist
06-13-2013, 09:53 PM
Ron who?

....


I generally like to troll.

Pot, meet Kettle, Kettle, Pot.

Aye aye aye aye...:rolleyes:

phill4paul
06-13-2013, 09:54 PM
Limbaugh is basically the founder, so it would be unfair to add him in.


Ah, 'kay. Just making sure we were on the same page.

FrankRep
06-13-2013, 09:54 PM
Rand Paul!

cajuncocoa
06-13-2013, 09:56 PM
This whole board may have just jumped the shark.

Debbie Downer
06-13-2013, 09:56 PM
....

Pot, meet Kettle, Kettle, Pot.

Aye aye aye aye...:rolleyes:

We're soulmates.

Anti Federalist
06-13-2013, 09:57 PM
We're soulmates.

MOM!!! He's high again!!!

Debbie Downer
06-13-2013, 10:00 PM
MOM!!! He's high again!!!

On patriotism, maybe. I've been watching Sarah Palin's CPAC speech.

Origanalist
06-13-2013, 10:02 PM
Carl Rove.

Debbie Downer
06-13-2013, 10:03 PM
Carl Rove.

Karl Rove! Or his identical twin brother Ham Rove:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Colbert_Report_Ham_Rove.jpg

Anti Federalist
06-13-2013, 10:04 PM
On patriotism, maybe. I've been watching Sarah Palin's CPAC speech.

♫♪ God Bless America...♫♪

Origanalist
06-13-2013, 10:05 PM
Karl Rove! Or his identical twin brother Ham Rove:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Colbert_Report_Ham_Rove.jpg

It still sounds the same.

Debbie Downer
06-13-2013, 10:06 PM
♫♪ God Bless America...♫♪

A fellow Patriot, I see.

PM me your address and I'll send you one of these:

http://skreened.com/render-product/n/y/r/nyrugteaycjecynwkkte/sarah-palin-2016.anvil-unisex-heavyweight-tee.navy.w760h760.jpg

phill4paul
06-13-2013, 10:10 PM
On patriotism, maybe. I've been watching Sarah Palin's CPAC speech.

"High on patriotism!"

Now that is a Tea Party meme and t-shirt extravaganza. With moxie like that your name should be included in the poll.

TheTexan
06-13-2013, 10:22 PM
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/herman-cain-smile.gif

Origanalist
06-13-2013, 10:26 PM
http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/r/C/4/bachmann-crazy-eyes-gif.gif

Origanalist
06-13-2013, 10:28 PM
http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/L/H/2/sarahpalinelainebenes.gif

enhanced_deficit
06-13-2013, 10:28 PM
Debbie, everyone in the neocon collection in your poll supported Iraq invasion , do you also think Iraq invasion was great for America?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs

CPUd
06-13-2013, 10:32 PM
http://i.imgur.com/pYZMrRU.gif

kcchiefs6465
06-13-2013, 10:39 PM
On patriotism, maybe. I've been watching Sarah Palin's CPAC speech.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MGQjiBqO8A

AuH20
06-13-2013, 10:41 PM
What's with all these mock threads?

Origanalist
06-13-2013, 10:42 PM
Enough silliness, I'm taking my Sara doll to bed now.

phill4paul
06-13-2013, 10:46 PM
Enough silliness, I'm taking my Sara doll to bed now.

They make those? Linky?

CPUd
06-13-2013, 10:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhMepzqJvIw

Brian4Liberty
06-13-2013, 10:58 PM
Orrin Hatch?

Christian Liberty
06-13-2013, 11:04 PM
Ron who?

Reagan:p No but seriously, who did you think? Ron Paul of course:lol:

Anti Federalist
06-13-2013, 11:51 PM
I vote for a "The Shallot" subforum.

Debbie Downer
06-14-2013, 12:12 AM
What's with all these mock threads?

Mock? This thread is as serious as the struggle to keep the Republic the Founding Fathers have us alive.

Debbie Downer
06-14-2013, 12:13 AM
Enough silliness, I'm taking my Sara doll to bed now.

I'll take one of those and if they also make a Michelle Bachmann one I'll take one as well. Most patriotic threesome ever.

TaftFan
06-14-2013, 12:18 AM
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZgVXFROGClAfF1g87Ts2jpLbflHBAe HwHuq1feUSR7ltCCIcE

enoch150
06-14-2013, 12:54 AM
Ron from Dec 2007 through early 2009.

Then Palin from early 2009 through that summer, until Beck started to really take off on Fox.

Then Beck from Fall 2009 through June 2011, when he left Fox.

Then Dick Army, until he left FreedomWorks in Dec 2012.

Now it's Rand.

Edit: For about 10 days in February 2009 it was Rick Santelli.

Keith and stuff
06-14-2013, 12:55 AM
I was gonna say Rand Paul.

Only answer I can think of. Well, originally it was Ron but he moved away from it as it moved away from him.

HOLLYWOOD
06-14-2013, 01:09 AM
I was gonna say Rand Paul.Rand was at Faneuil Hall, located near the waterfront, in Boston, December 2007. When the TEA PARTY was Ron Paul and the we grassroots, before the GOP establishment slugs co-opted with their phony garbage groups.

Been a marketplace and a meeting hall since 1742
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Faneuil_Hall_LOC_4a30408u.jpg/292px-Faneuil_Hall_LOC_4a30408u.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=hbE6bv3KtJb3gM&tbnid=oaFWTv_-sbi4qM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFaneuil _Hall&ei=IsC6Ueq7Fe-WyAHH64GoBg&psig=AFQjCNE1asiL3k_w7SNR-417W34lPKfpZg&ust=1371279778377407)

Most influental? RM&R marketing firm out of Sacramento (GOP marketing firm)
Co-opted Zionist Astro Turf: Pajama Network, RESISTNET, Patriot Action Network, Tea Party News Network, Sarah Palin's paychecks

anaconda
06-14-2013, 02:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAGGpK7bSWc

LibertyEagle
06-14-2013, 03:06 AM
What's with all these mock threads?

It's the brilliance of some in this movement to mock the people who helped our cause. :rolleyes: It's just so much fun, don't ya know, and we already have all the people on-board that we need to win any election we set out to win. So, we can just alienate the hell out of people who have helped our most likely presidential candidate get elected to the Senate. After all, there is so much to gain from doing that. There must be, because otherwise they wouldn't be doing it, right?

LibertyEagle
06-14-2013, 03:09 AM
Rand was at Faneuil Hall, located near the waterfront, in Boston, December 2007. When the TEA PARTY was Ron Paul and the we grassroots, before the GOP establishment slugs co-opted with their phony garbage groups.

They didn't co-opt. We failed to act.


Been a marketplace and a meeting hall since 1742
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Faneuil_Hall_LOC_4a30408u.jpg/292px-Faneuil_Hall_LOC_4a30408u.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=hbE6bv3KtJb3gM&tbnid=oaFWTv_-sbi4qM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFaneuil _Hall&ei=IsC6Ueq7Fe-WyAHH64GoBg&psig=AFQjCNE1asiL3k_w7SNR-417W34lPKfpZg&ust=1371279778377407)

Most influental? RM&R marketing firm out of Sacramento (GOP marketing firm)
Co-opted Zionist Astro Turf: Pajama Network, RESISTNET, Patriot Action Network, Tea Party News Network, Sarah Palin's paychecks

Palin helped Rand get elected.

What is there to gain by mocking her?

cajuncocoa
06-14-2013, 05:36 AM
Some of you would sell your soul to the devil himself if he would help to get Rand elected.

V3n
06-14-2013, 06:24 AM
Some of you would sell your soul to the devil himself if he would help to get Rand elected.

And some seem insistent on preventing it.

V3n
06-14-2013, 06:30 AM
I was gonna say Rand Paul.

Since I finally caught on this is a troll thread.. Can I change my answer to the Koch Brothers?
Or do I have to choose a specific Koch?

cajuncocoa
06-14-2013, 06:35 AM
And some seem insistent on preventing it.

If you mean me, not at all. I'm just hoping and praying that Rand doesn't turn into a Sarah Palin clone.

V3n
06-14-2013, 06:38 AM
Some of you would sell your soul to the devil himself if he would help to get Rand elected.

I didn't mean you as much as you didn't mean me.. ;)

edit: apology - yeah, I meant you. :( Sorry, I'm still waking up here. I'm still bitter about that thing the other day. I need to let that go. My bad.


If you mean me, not at all. I'm just hoping and praying that Rand doesn't turn into a Sarah Palin clone.

I absolutely can't argue with you there, golly gee!! :)

AuH2O
06-14-2013, 09:07 AM
I wonder if the people who for some reason think that Palin/Beck/non-libertarian type endorsing our candidates means our people will become more like them were really excited to hear Romney was gonna become much more libertarian when Rand endorsed him. :rolleyes:

WM_in_MO
06-14-2013, 09:09 AM
Ron Paul.

erowe1
06-14-2013, 09:11 AM
Erick Erickson

DamianTV
06-14-2013, 09:16 AM
Limbaugh is basically the founder, so it would be unfair to add him in.

Limbaugh was NOT the founder despite his claims. None of the Above should have been an option as most influential is bar none Ron Paul, even if he isnt in office any more.

cajuncocoa
06-14-2013, 09:28 AM
I wonder if the people who for some reason think that Palin/Beck/non-libertarian type endorsing our candidates means our people will become more like them were really excited to hear Romney was gonna become much more libertarian when Rand endorsed him. :rolleyes:
I wonder if the same people who think it was significant for Palin to endorse Rand thought it was insignificant for Rand to endorse Romney. :rolleyes:

Debbie Downer
06-14-2013, 09:39 AM
Some of you would sell your soul to the devil himself if he would help to get Rand elected.

You'd sell your soul to the devil to make sure Rand never gets elected.

AuH2O
06-14-2013, 09:53 AM
I wonder if the same people who think it was significant for Palin to endorse Rand thought it was insignificant for Rand to endorse Romney. :rolleyes:

Insignificant, maybe not. Inconsequential, absolutely. Rand's in the Senate ... Mitt's ain't in the White House.

erowe1
06-14-2013, 09:58 AM
I wonder if the same people who think it was significant for Palin to endorse Rand thought it was insignificant for Rand to endorse Romney. :rolleyes:

Didn't Palin endorse Rand in the primary?

That's a pretty important difference.

erowe1
06-14-2013, 09:58 AM
..

Origanalist
06-14-2013, 09:59 AM
I vote for the mad hatter.

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4871662158086534&pid=15.1

Occam's Banana
06-14-2013, 10:03 AM
I vote for the mad hatter.

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4871662158086534&pid=15.1


Srsly? I'd've thought you'd be a Cheshire Cat partisan ...

Ender
06-14-2013, 10:46 AM
Poll: Who is the most influential Tea Party figure?
Be advised that this is a public poll: other users can see the choice(s) you selected.

* Sarah Palin
* Glenn Beck
* Michelle Bachmann
* Herman Cain
* Mark Levin
* Dick Armey
* Jim DeMint



I think I'm gong to be sick........

Origanalist
06-14-2013, 10:50 AM
Srsly? I'd've thought you'd be a Cheshire Cat partisan ...

Our sides of the family don't get along....

tod evans
06-14-2013, 10:52 AM
Who is the most influential Tea Party figure?

Paul Revere?

enhanced_deficit
06-14-2013, 10:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAGGpK7bSWc

This explains why this guy was darling of tea party neecon wing.

PSYOP
06-14-2013, 11:18 AM
What a stupid thread.

0/10

cajuncocoa
06-14-2013, 11:29 AM
You'd sell your soul to the devil to make sure Rand never gets elected.
You haven't been paying attention. And based on your posting history (under this current username) you're no advocate for liberty.

Debbie Downer
06-14-2013, 11:30 AM
You haven't been paying attention. And based on your posting history (under this current username) you're no advocate for liberty.

How am I not an advocate for liberty?

cajuncocoa
06-14-2013, 11:31 AM
Didn't Palin endorse Rand in the primary?

That's a pretty important difference.
Why? When Rand endorsed Romney, everyone said endorsements only help the person making them, or that they aren't important at all. Why is it significant that Palin endorsed Rand, but doesn't matter when Rand endorsed Romney?

Sounds a little hypocritical.

cajuncocoa
06-14-2013, 11:33 AM
How am I not an advocate for liberty?
The people you admire, as evidenced by this thread, is exhibit #1. Your posting history (under this current username) speaks volumes.

cajuncocoa
06-14-2013, 11:34 AM
Insignificant, maybe not. Inconsequential, absolutely. Rand's in the Senate ... Mitt's ain't in the White House.

Either endorsements matter, or they don't. Try to stay consistent, Rand supporters.

Debbie Downer
06-14-2013, 11:35 AM
Why? When Rand endorsed Romney, everyone said endorsements only help the person making them, or that they aren't important at all. Why is it significant that Palin endorsed Rand, but doesn't matter when Rand endorsed Romney?

Sounds a little hypocritical.

Rand was an almost no-name candidate facing an establishment-backed elected official in a statewide race. Palin's endorsement was a huge boost to him.

Romney was a well funded nationally-known presidential candidate. Rand's endorsement helped Rand, but did almost nothing for Romney who was sure to win Kentucky with or without Rand's endorsement and had the "conservative" vote locked up nationally.

Debbie Downer
06-14-2013, 11:35 AM
The people you admire, as evidenced by this thread, is exhibit #1. Your posting history (under this current username) speaks volumes.

I admire conservatives and those who fight for the Constitution.

Sarah Palin tirelessly fights for liberty.

AuH2O
06-14-2013, 11:36 AM
Either endorsements matter, or they don't. Try to stay consistent, Rand supporters.

You're right, I totally missed the part where Mitt's president right now.

cajuncocoa
06-14-2013, 11:38 AM
I admire conservatives and those who fight for the Constitution.

Sarah Palin tirelessly fights for liberty.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrwfirYQTi1qkznxe.gif

Debbie Downer
06-14-2013, 11:39 AM
You're right, I totally missed the part where Mitt's president right now.

And the part where Mitt needed Rand to gain conservative votes in southern red states.

Todd
06-14-2013, 11:46 AM
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZgVXFROGClAfF1g87Ts2jpLbflHBAe HwHuq1feUSR7ltCCIcE

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/images/300x/5715985.jpg

cajuncocoa
06-14-2013, 11:47 AM
You're right, I totally missed the part where Mitt's president right now.
Apples and oranges. All endorsements are made BEFORE the election is held (do I have to state the obvious?) But go on...I've learned not to expect consistency from Rand die-hards on this board.

Bastiat's The Law
06-14-2013, 11:51 AM
I think Greg Brannon has a shot to take that mantle.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQHS3ePzUog

TaftFan
06-14-2013, 11:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_fq-_iOTLE

AuH2O
06-14-2013, 11:58 AM
Apples and oranges. All endorsements are made BEFORE the election is held (do I have to state the obvious?) But go on...I've learned not to expect consistency from Rand die-hards on this board.


I'm just hoping and praying that Rand doesn't turn into a Sarah Palin clone.

Kindly point me to the post from last fall when you seriously thought Romney would turn into a Rand clone before you talk about consistency.

TaftFan
06-14-2013, 11:58 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzO0BdV1KT8

Warlord
06-14-2013, 11:59 AM
Rand is only Tea Party because Sarah Palin endorsed him and brought him on board with Tea Party ideals.

Do you really believe this? Rand was at the original Ron Paul Tea Party. He is the Tea Party and there's no doubt he's their most visible and influential member.

As for Palin's endorsement Rand is such a superior candidate he'd have won Kentucky with or without her. Palin is pure establishment and part of the co-optng. She also endorsed McCain and Hatch. Not very Tea Party to me.

The big thing that helped Rand was going on Alex Jones 5 times from May 2009 until December 2009 (see youtube) to spread the word about his candidacy and generate enthusiasm within the liberty movement and of course here where moneybombs and activism helped him greatly during 2009. Palin's endorsement was pretty late in the day (Feb 2010). He opened up a big lead in the polls in December 2009.

cajuncocoa
06-14-2013, 11:59 AM
Oh, and "Debbie"...you bet I'm grumpy.

I don't know how anyone who is paying attention to recent past and current events could be anything BUT grumpy.

TaftFan
06-14-2013, 12:00 PM
Damn, these Cain songs are so good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0obH91kklR8

The Herman Cain Train Music Video: https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150333528438527

Debbie Downer
06-14-2013, 12:05 PM
Apples and oranges. All endorsements are made BEFORE the election is held (do I have to state the obvious?) But go on...I've learned not to expect consistency from Rand die-hards on this board.

What exactly did Mitt gain from Rand's endorsement? Nothing really.

What did Rand gain? A lot, he's now seen as a big force in the GOP and people can't paint him as working against the party as they did with Ron.

What would Rand have gained if Mitt had won? A heck of a lot more.

FSP-Rebel
06-14-2013, 12:05 PM
Oh, and "Debbie"...you bet I'm grumpy.

I don't know how anyone who is paying attention to recent past and current events could be anything BUT grumpy.
If Ron was still in the House, he'd be owning this NSA issue exactly how Rand is. It would suck even worse if we didn't have our peeps in the House and Senate standing up for us. Many thanks to Snowden for opening the curtain.

JK/SEA
06-14-2013, 12:12 PM
The real answer is Sam Adams.

end thread////

cajuncocoa
06-14-2013, 12:32 PM
What exactly did Mitt gain from Rand's endorsement? Nothing really.

What did Rand gain? A lot, he's now seen as a big force in the GOP and people can't paint him as working against the party as they did with Ron.

What would Rand have gained if Mitt had won? A heck of a lot more.What did the Ron Paul delegates gain? Oh, that's right....they got screwed.

compromise
06-14-2013, 12:58 PM
Do you really believe this? Rand was at the original Ron Paul Tea Party. He is the Tea Party and there's no doubt he's their most visible and influential member.

As for Palin's endorsement Rand is such a superior candidate he'd have won Kentucky with or without her. Palin is pure establishment and part of the co-opting.

You're obsessed with co-opting because you're a conspiracy nut. I used to like you because you supported Rand, until I realized Rand was actually the only person you supported. Even Rand admits that Palin's endorsement helped him immensely against Grayson. You hate all our natural allies - Palin, Cruz, Lee, DeMint, Gohmert...heck, with Cruz, even your hero Alex Jones disagrees with you.

Palin is not establishment. She wasn't even invited to the 2012 RNC. The establishment abhors her and trashed her in 2009 after the 2008 defeat, which led to her turning against them.

The others:

Beck - Pretty important, but I wouldn't say most influential any more since he was kicked off FOX. In the early days he certainly was though.
Napolitano - See above. Been relegated as of late with regards to influence.
Bachmann - She's pretty much done now, so I wouldn't say she's influential any more.
Rubio - Sold out the Tea Party, does not consider himself Tea Party as of 2013.
West - Lost his seat, no longer influential.
Walsh - See above. I'm a huge fan of him personally, though, but can't really be considered influential.
Cain - He makes some good speeches and is a funny guy, but that's as far as it goes. Nothing of substance beneath all that. Not really influential any more after the sex scandal.
Armey - Did a ton of great work in 2010 and I'll applaud him for that. Not influential after being kicked off FreedomWorks.
DeMint - Lost a lot of influence by resigning. Definitely was one of the most influential back when in '09 and '10 though.
Ron - Left Congress, lost influence. Was very influential at the beginning in '07 and '08, then declined.

To be honest, this poll isn't very good. These are not modern Tea Party leaders, these are old-timers.

The real poll should have been:
Ted Cruz
Louie Gohmert
Rand Paul
Scott Walker
Ben Carson
Matt Kibbe
Justin Amash
Paul Broun

With regards to Herman Cain songs, this is the best by far:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DrSEyjBj1w

Christian Liberty
06-14-2013, 01:31 PM
If Ron was still in the House, he'd be owning this NSA issue exactly how Rand is. It would suck even worse if we didn't have our peeps in the House and Senate standing up for us. Many thanks to Snowden for opening the curtain.

I honestly disagree with this, and I didn't really have an issue with what Rand said. Thomas Massie took a harder line than Rand did in favor of Snowden, which is understandable considering the differences in position. The bottom line, Rand said something that didn't outright disagree with his dad but was significantly watered down because if he didn't, it would have hurt him politically. Honestly, if I wanted to get elected President, I would have said what Rand said. But Ron Paul would never have done so, IMO. Because Ron's goal was to educate, not to win. Not saying winning's a bad goal, just that it wasn't Ron's.


You're obsessed with co-opting because you're a conspiracy nut. I used to like you because you supported Rand, until I realized Rand was actually the only person you supported. Even Rand admits that Palin's endorsement helped him immensely against Grayson. You hate all our natural allies - Palin, Cruz, Lee, DeMint, Gohmert...heck, with Cruz, even your hero Alex Jones disagrees with you.

Palin is not establishment. She wasn't even invited to the 2012 RNC. The establishment abhors her and trashed her in 2009 after the 2008 defeat, which led to her turning against them.

The others:

Beck - Pretty important, but I wouldn't say most influential any more since he was kicked off FOX. In the early days he certainly was though.
Napolitano - See above. Been relegated as of late with regards to influence.
Bachmann - She's pretty much done now, so I wouldn't say she's influential any more.
Rubio - Sold out the Tea Party, does not consider himself Tea Party as of 2013.
West - Lost his seat, no longer influential.
Walsh - See above. I'm a huge fan of him personally, though, but can't really be considered influential.
Cain - He makes some good speeches and is a funny guy, but that's as far as it goes. Nothing of substance beneath all that. Not really influential any more after the sex scandal.
Armey - Did a ton of great work in 2010 and I'll applaud him for that. Not influential after being kicked off FreedomWorks.
DeMint - Lost a lot of influence by resigning. Definitely was one of the most influential back when in '09 and '10 though.
Ron - Left Congress, lost influence. Was very influential at the beginning in '07 and '08, then declined.

To be honest, this poll isn't very good. These are not modern Tea Party leaders, these are old-timers.

The real poll should have been:
Ted Cruz
Louie Gohmert
Rand Paul
Scott Walker
Ben Carson
Matt Kibbe
Justin Amash
Paul Broun

With regards to Herman Cain songs, this is the best by far:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DrSEyjBj1w

Palin ran with McCain. She was good as a governor but I think at the national level she'd be too easy to manipulate. She's not pure establishment but she's not even really a pure paleoconservative either, let alone any type of a libertarian.

Cruz needs to get his foreign policy straightened out, with what little I've seen, he doesn't seem great on foreign policy and that's a dealbreaker for me. Lee is usually good but he FAILED regarding Snowden. I don't expect an unqualified endorsement but I expected something closer to what Rand Paul said. Instead he all but flat out called him a traitor. Don't know much about DeMint, he seems like a nice person and I know he's been friendly to Ron Paul, so I don't hate him, but I suspect that his foreign policy probably sucks too, albeit not as badly as McCain, Graham, and the like.

The thing you've got to realize is that not all of us prioritize the same things. I get that you personally prioritize the economy. There was a time when I did too, back when I was awful on foreign issues but still liked Ron Paul because of his other views. There's nothing wrong, per say, with focusing on economics. But some of us care about foreign policy more. In some cases, like Rand Paul, the "liberty" candidates will at least be better than the rest of the pack on that issue even if they aren't perfect. In other cases, like Ted Cruz, they just really aren't and so I personally am not going to support them just because they're good on economics. The bottom line with coalitions like this, we need to be willing to work with anyone who agrees with us on an issue with regards to that issue, but voting and endorsements are a personal conviction and we just aren't always going to agree on those. That's OK, IMO. It shows that we're diverse and can think for ourselves.

Debbie Downer
06-14-2013, 01:50 PM
What did the Ron Paul delegates gain? Oh, that's right....they got screwed.

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h395/writeonman/e414fd61.gif

They knew what they were getting into. And they knew (or at least I hope they weren't delusional going to Tampa) that Ron was never going to win.

Face it, Romney had clinched the nomination a few days before Rand endorsed him. In Rand's endorsement he still said Ron was his first choice, but that he would back the ticket. The day before the endorsement Ron officially conceded the race and a month before the endorsement Ron announced that he wasn't going to contest any more primaries.

Christian Liberty
06-14-2013, 02:07 PM
That we know our enemies are some of the most evil people on the planet is not an excuse. Edward Snowden knew he would likely go to jail, if not outright receive a drone strike (Thank you Ron Paul, for likely saving this innocent man's life), for what he did. That doesn't make it justified, and that doesn't change the fact that, even though he won't, shooting and killing any cop who tried to arrest him would be completely ethically justified. And it doesn't change the fact that Obama is living on borrowed time, and the fact that our justice system would never convict anyone who ever sat in the Oval Office doesn't change the fact that he's a mass murderer who deserves execution.

Stop pretending that just because so much evil is happening, and to be expected, that its justified. That's the sort of thing controlled opposition would say.

Debbie Downer
06-14-2013, 02:09 PM
That we know our enemies are some of the most evil people on the planet is not an excuse. Edward Snowden knew he would likely go to jail, if not outright receive a drone strike (Thank you Ron Paul, for likely saving this innocent man's life), for what he did.

Ron Paul didn't save his life...Getting this story to blow up and putting a spotlight on himself saved his life.


That doesn't make it justified, and that doesn't change the fact that, even though he won't, shooting and killing any cop who tried to arrest him would be completely ethically justified.

Wtf? No. You do not have the right to take another life unless your life (or someone around you) is in imminent danger and taking that life is the only way to end the threat. Getting arrested is no justification for ending someone's life. For a "Christian" you seriously have fucked up morals if you believe anyone has the right to kill a cop if the cop is engaging in an unjustified arrest.

Christian Liberty
06-14-2013, 02:34 PM
Ron Paul didn't save his life...Getting this story to blow up and putting a spotlight on himself saved his life.



The fact that Ron Paul publicly stated that he was afraid Snowden would be droned is likely making it difficult for Obama to do so.


Wtf? No. You do not have the right to take another life unless your life (or someone around you) is in imminent danger and taking that life is the only way to end the threat. Getting arrested is no justification for ending someone's life. For a "Christian" you seriously have fucked up morals if you believe anyone has the right to kill a cop if the cop is engaging in an unjustified arrest.

So you don't think you have a right to kill someone to stop them from kidnapping you?

For the record, I was not endorsing violence, I was suggesting it would be justified under the non-aggression principle, which isn't the same thing.

Christian Liberty
06-14-2013, 02:34 PM
So you don't think you have a right to kill someone to stop them from kidnapping you?

For the record, I was not endorsing violence, I was suggesting it would be justified under the non-aggression principle, which isn't the same thing.

I'm actually curious what Sola_Fide's take is here...

thoughtomator
06-14-2013, 02:44 PM
Based on enthusiasm levels I'd say the most influential Tea Party figures are inside tight Sarah Palin sweaters.

thoughtomator
06-14-2013, 02:46 PM
Sarah Palin is Dr. Frankenstein's first attempt at making a socon-libertarian hybrid

helmuth_hubener
06-14-2013, 11:24 PM
With regards to Herman Cain songs, this is the best by far:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DrSEyjBj1w
As a moderator at the famously wonderful http://HermanCainForums.com , I still am very fond of my theory that, like our forum, the entire Herman Cain campaign was a troll. He was the king of all trolls. He just did so many hilariously stupid things, it had to have all been a joke, to "punk" America. To see how bizarre and stupid a person could act and still be considered a reasonable Presidential contender. His antics. His ads! I'm pretty sure Vermin Supreme was his campaign manager.

anaconda
06-14-2013, 11:30 PM
As a moderator at the famously wonderful http://HermanCainForums.com , I still am very fond of my theory that, like our forum, the entire Herman Cain campaign was a troll. He was the king of all trolls. He just did so many hilariously stupid things, it had to have all been a joke, to "punk" America. To see how bizarre and stupid a person could act and still be considered a reasonable Presidential contender. His antics. His ads! I'm pretty sure Vermin Supreme was his campaign manager.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UySTT-rxwSs

Debbie Downer
06-15-2013, 04:12 AM
SARAH PALIN IS FUCJINF AWESOME!!!!

A Son of Liberty
06-15-2013, 06:15 AM
It's the brilliance of some in this movement to mock the people who helped our cause. :rolleyes: It's just so much fun, don't ya know, and we already have all the people on-board that we need to win any election we set out to win. So, we can just alienate the hell out of people who have helped our most likely presidential candidate get elected to the Senate. After all, there is so much to gain from doing that. There must be, because otherwise they wouldn't be doing it, right?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k

helmuth_hubener
06-15-2013, 06:39 AM
To be honest, this poll isn't very good. These are not modern Tea Party leaders, these are old-timers.

The real poll should have been:
Ted Cruz
Louie Gohmert
Rand Paul
Scott Walker
Ben Carson
Matt Kibbe
Justin Amash
Paul Broun


We already know who the Tea Party supports. There have been scientific polls. They support Newt Gingrich. Newt is the most influential figure. Of the people you list above, only Scott Walker would even show up as a blip in a poll of self-identified Tea Partiers.

The Tea Party Isn't Libertarian

But what about the tea party? One might think there's cause for hope there because, even though most tea partiers might not be pure libertarians, they seem to be talking about some of the right things, and they sometimes seem to have a healthy us-versus-them attitude toward Washington. In fact, some big names in the libertarian movement have seen the tea party movement gaining momentum and have tried to latch onto it and fund it, thinking that this might finally be a chance to get smaller government.

Without question, there are some true libertarians in the tea party movement, and I'm sure that some of them are able to use the tea party to introduce others to libertarian ideas. I started out as a conservative who liked Reagan's limited-government rhetoric, and if I could come around, I'm sure some of the younger, more open-minded people in the tea party can come around.

But if you look at the tea party by the numbers, you realize that if liberty's going to be achieved in the United States, it's not going to be brought about by these people.


Consider some figures from an April 2010 CBS/New York Times poll of tea party supporters. It asked tea partiers to identify the political figures they admire most. Who was number one? If you guessed Ron Paul, I appreciate your optimism, but you're way off. It's Newt Gingrich — who's known for, among many other things, advocating the death penalty for drug dealers, pushing for war with Iran, and praising the New Deal.

Number two? Sarah Palin. Make of this what you will. Number three is a tie between Mitt Romney — the progenitor of ObamaCare — and that noted enthusiast for smaller government and a "humble foreign policy," George W. Bush. Then at number four we have another tie, this one between George H.W. Bush (who gave us the mandatory low-flush toilets we enjoy today), Mike Huckabee (who, as far as I've noticed, doesn't even pretend to favor liberty), John McCain, and, finally, yes, Ron Paul.

So add up all those people who admire ("Admire"! Think of it! George Bush? Sarah Palin?) someone other than Ron Paul, then compare that to the number of people who admire Ron Paul — which was 3 percent of all tea-party supporters — and you have a pretty clear idea of how likely the tea party is to advance liberty.

Those figures I just gave are a little old; they were from a year ago. You might be tempted to think that the tea party has become more radical since then. After all, government's only gotten bigger — more spending, more war — so maybe they're more radically opposed to the government now?

I'm afraid not.

Back in September, a Pew poll found that 47 percent of tea partiers said they were angry with the federal government. That seems kind of low, considering that the media is constantly telling us how angry tea partiers are, and if you're really antigovernment, you do have a lot to be angry about.

But if they weren't that angry before, maybe they're really angry now. After all, they put in all that work to elect a new Congress, and that Congress hasn't done anything at all to reduce government — and almost all of the tea-party Republican freshmen in Congress voted to renew the PATRIOT Act without any changes and with almost no debate. They must be really mad about that — being betrayed by the people they elected!

But no — in fact, the opposite is true. The Pew poll found that now only 28 percent of tea partiers say they're angry with the federal government. And that's after a couple months of a Republican-dominated House of Representatives. Imagine how not-angry they would be if the Republicans captured the Senate and the White House, too. If that happens, these people — led by the same talk radio hosts who led many of them to the tea party — will be right back where they were during the Bush years.


And all of this is to say nothing of the troubling anti-immigrant, virulently anti-Islam, and pro-war views that many tea partiers have been espousing right alongside their "limited government" talk.

Incidentally, here are the top three 2012 presidential picks of tea partiers from a Pew poll taken in March: #1, Mitt Romney; #2, Mike Huckabee, #3, Newt Gingrich. In fairness, however, that was back in March. Now, the results might be different. Now, they might replace one of these names with Donald Trump.

So I don't think it's an especially encouraging sign that the tea party came along and adopted some of the rhetoric and strategies of the Ron Paul movement. And I think the people who are trying to fund that movement and its candidates are wasting their money — if their goal is to advance liberty.

-- http://mises.org/daily/5247/

cajuncocoa
06-15-2013, 06:44 AM
The Tea Party Isn't Libertarian

a very enthusiastic +rep. :)

speciallyblend
06-15-2013, 06:51 AM
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compromise
06-15-2013, 07:45 AM
Consider some figures from an April 2010 CBS/New York Times poll of tea party supporters. It asked tea partiers to identify the political figures they admire most. Who was number one? If you guessed Ron Paul, I appreciate your optimism, but you're way off. It's Newt Gingrich — who's known for, among many other things, advocating the death penalty for drug dealers, pushing for war with Iran, and praising the New Deal.

Number two? Sarah Palin. Make of this what you will. Number three is a tie between Mitt Romney — the progenitor of ObamaCare — and that noted enthusiast for smaller government and a "humble foreign policy," George W. Bush. Then at number four we have another tie, this one between George H.W. Bush (who gave us the mandatory low-flush toilets we enjoy today), Mike Huckabee (who, as far as I've noticed, doesn't even pretend to favor liberty), John McCain, and, finally, yes, Ron Paul.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/tea-party-canvass/
This poll was a little different.

What national figure best represents the Tea Party groups?
No one - 34%
Palin - 14%
Beck - 7%
DeMint - 6%
Paul - 6%
Bachmann - 4%

87% of Tea Partiers "dissatisfied with mainstream Republican Party leaders"

tod evans
06-15-2013, 08:08 AM
Personally I'd be far more comfortable getting behind an unknown farmer with an 8th grade education plucked right out of the fields just so long as he hasn't watched television in 20+ years.

brushfire
06-15-2013, 09:46 AM
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