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shane77m
06-13-2013, 12:59 PM
LOL.


Terrance Brown, 40, is on trial in South Florida for allegedly conspiring with four other men to hijack armored trucks delivering cash to banks in 2010. All have pleaded not guilty. But now Brown has come up with a unique defense: he wants the National Security Agency to turn over his phone records to the court to demonstrate his innocence.


The case, which is taking place in federal court, involves phone records – the FBI and prosecutors have been using cellphone records to demonstrate the men’s locations near the robbery attempts. The prosecution said that it was unable to get cellphone records from the time before September 2010 because the phone carrier had destroyed the records.


But Brown has new hope: his lawyer, Marshall Dore Louis, filed documents requesting NSA documents showing phone location records for Brown’s cellphones on the night of one of the robberies. “The president of the United States has recognized this program has been ongoing since 2006,” wrote Louis, “to gather the phone numbers [and related information] of everybody including my client in 2010.”

The judge, Robin Rosenbaum, gave the prosecutors a few weeks to respond. “There are security procedures that must be followed,” said Assistant US Attorney Michael Walleisa. One prosecutor, Michael Gilfarb, said that the information might not be relevant, depending on whether Brown carried his phone that night, given the fact that Brown’s wife said he didn’t have a cellphone at that time.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/13/Bank-robber-NSA-records

Lucille
06-13-2013, 01:13 PM
That is awesome.

UWDude
06-13-2013, 01:20 PM
just wait until defendants can start subpoenaing cop's phone records.

tangent4ronpaul
06-13-2013, 01:25 PM
This is AWESOME!

I had a HD die a few years ago, how do I make a request to get all that lost e-mail back?

:D

-t

shane77m
06-13-2013, 01:37 PM
This is AWESOME!

I had a HD die a few years ago, how do I make a request to get all that lost e-mail back?

:D

-t

Freedom of information request?

V3n
06-13-2013, 01:40 PM
Good thinking! Smart idea!

evilfunnystuff
06-13-2013, 03:53 PM
This is AWESOME!

I had a HD die a few years ago, how do I make a request to get all that lost e-mail back?

:D

-t

Me too.

I also want to sue the NSA for copyright infringement, they illegally pirated alot of my original works, without express written permission. I'm thinking at about 15 dollar per paragraph they owe me at least half a million, had they legally purchased them from me.

:toady:

Carson
06-13-2013, 04:58 PM
I kind of wonder what they have on Benghazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack)or how about the Stuxnet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet) virus...and why haven't they already come forward with it?

The Real Story of Stuxnet
How Kaspersky Lab tracked down the malware that stymied Iran’s nuclear-fuel enrichment program

http://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/security/the-real-story-of-stuxnet

LibertyEagle
06-13-2013, 05:01 PM
This is AWESOME!

I had a HD die a few years ago, how do I make a request to get all that lost e-mail back?

:D

-t

That reminded me of when, after the government took over GM for awhile, I called the White House switchboard and told them my car needed its oil changed. :D

Cleaner44
06-13-2013, 05:37 PM
Fight fire with fire!

better-dead-than-fed
06-13-2013, 06:16 PM
When I was defendant recently, the government entered a biased "smattering" of my internet posts into evidence. The law provides:


Upon a defendant’s request, the government must disclose to the defendant, and make available for inspection, copying, or photographing, ... (i) any relevant written or recorded statement by the defendant if: • the statement is within the government’s possession, custody, or control; and • the attorney for the government knows—or through due diligence could know—that the statement exists....

Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure (http://www.uscourts.gov/uscourts/rules/criminal-procedure.pdf) 16(a)(1)(B), so I asked (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5ZYXb_HdIQhbVpUS2RpamxCTk0/edit?usp=sharing) the government to provide me all records of my internet posts. The government refused. I'm appealing that case now, and this NSA stuff might help here.

Brian4Liberty
06-13-2013, 06:24 PM
The case, which is taking place in federal court, involves phone records – the FBI and prosecutors have been using cellphone records to demonstrate the men’s locations near the robbery attempts. The prosecution said that it was unable to get cellphone records from the time before September 2010 because the phone carrier had destroyed the records.

This is what the NSA spying is all about from a technical aspect. It's about data retention. There's no way for them to force private businesses to retain information forever. Their solution is to force businesses to turn over all electronic data real time, and then it will be retained forever by the government.

enhanced_deficit
06-13-2013, 07:58 PM
Pendora box has been opened, this just the beginning.

liberty2897
06-13-2013, 08:51 PM
When I was defendant recently, the government entered a biased "smattering" of my internet posts into evidence. The law provides:



Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure (http://www.uscourts.gov/uscourts/rules/criminal-procedure.pdf) 16(a)(1)(B), so I asked (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5ZYXb_HdIQhbVpUS2RpamxCTk0/edit?usp=sharing) the government to provide me all records of my internet posts. The government refused. I'm appealing that case now, and this NSA stuff might help here.

Nice! +rep

[edit]


For those who don't want to click on the .gov link

(B) Defendant’s Written or Recorded Statement. Upon a de-
fendant’s request, the government must disclose to the de-
fendant, and make available for inspection, copying, or
photographing, all of the following:
(i) any relevant written or recorded statement by the
defendant if:
• the statement is within the government’s pos-
session, custody, or control; and
• the attorney for the government knows—or
through due diligence could know—that the state-
ment exists;
(ii) the portion of any written record containing the
substance of any relevant oral statement made before
or after arrest if the defendant made the statement in
response to interrogation by a person the defendant
knew was a government agent; and

I guess the attorney for the government couldn't know about it since it is all secret for national security and all..

phill4paul
06-13-2013, 08:59 PM
Overload them with FOIA!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBh895KdXAU

devil21
06-14-2013, 02:33 AM
This is an interesting test. I want to keep track of this case. Please post any news you come across about this subpoena!!

The gov't will move to quash it on national security grounds....

kcchiefs6465
06-14-2013, 02:38 AM
If he gets anything it will rival this level of redacted sentences.

http://i.imgur.com/OffQwSs.png?1

anaconda
06-14-2013, 02:41 AM
He should have standing.

kcchiefs6465
06-14-2013, 02:54 AM
He should have standing.
I really do hope you are right.

The invocation of National Security will most surely close the court. A few feds talking to the Judge in private about the implications of the evidence with regards to National Security and what might happen if the evidence were to be permitted in open court and I'd bet the Judge strikes it from being presented.

Maybe not. I'm not exactly sure how a trial takes place with 'National Security' related information being subpoenaed. I'd bet it won't be in the man's favor though. Whatever reason they come up with to not allow it to be presented.

puppetmaster
06-14-2013, 03:07 AM
Hell they have all the traffic camera video also so he should get the as well.

sailingaway
06-16-2013, 12:25 AM
http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2013/06/13/TerranceBrown.png


Terrance Brown, 40, is on trial in South Florida for allegedly conspiring with four other men to hijack armored trucks delivering cash to banks in 2010. All have pleaded not guilty. But now Brown has come up with a unique defense: he wants the National Security Agency to turn over his phone records to the court to demonstrate his innocence.

The case, which is taking place in federal court, involves phone records – the FBI and prosecutors have been using cellphone records to demonstrate the men’s locations near the robbery attempts. The prosecution said that it was unable to get cellphone records from the time before September 2010 because the phone carrier had destroyed the records.

more, and video coverage about the NSA

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/13/Bank-robber-NSA-records

Seems to me the government has an obligation to turn them over.

moostraks
06-16-2013, 07:56 AM
I was wondering whether his type of thing would become popular. My thoughts were that social services is going to have a field day if they can use these things to snoop on families.

enhanced_deficit
06-16-2013, 08:47 AM
This is a dangerous trend.

devil21
06-18-2013, 04:39 AM
This is a dangerous trend.

It's a put-up-or-shut-up moment for the Feds here. I hope this judge will stay strong in the face of pressure.

UWDude
06-18-2013, 11:23 AM
We all know damn well he will not be allowed access.

It is to be used against both the worthless little people and justice, not for them.

Ender
06-18-2013, 11:28 AM
Good for him! Hope he wins.

surf
06-18-2013, 11:59 AM
Good for him! Hope he wins.me too