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FrankRep
06-12-2013, 08:00 PM
Boys to Shower with Girls in California Public Schools (http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/05/boys-to-shower-with-girls-in-california-public-schools/)


Political Outcast
May 14, 2013


Parents, how would you feel if you found out that your junior or senior high school daughter was showering with a boy at school? Then how would you feel if you were told by the school that there is nothing they or you can do about it?

Last week, the California Assembly (same as House of Representatives in most states) passed Assembly Bill 1266 (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/bill/asm/ab_1251-1300/ab_1266_bill_20130425_amended_asm_v98.htm) by a 46-25 vote. Currently, there are 54 Democrats, 25 Republicans and 1 vacancy. All 46 votes for the bill were Democrats as no Republicans voted for in favor of the measure.


AB 1266 states that public schools cannot discriminate in any way concerning the sex of the student. Both sexes are to have equal access to all offered courses, counseling and athletics. Any student can try out for any sport, regardless of their sex.

But the kicker is this statement contained in the bill (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/bill/asm/ab_1251-1300/ab_1266_bill_20130425_amended_asm_v98.htm):



“SECTION 1. Section 221.5 of the Education Code is amended to read:”

“(f) A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and facilities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records.”

TaftFan
06-12-2013, 08:02 PM
Damn, stop stirring up old high school fantasies

TheTexan
06-12-2013, 08:03 PM
only gay boys would be showering with girls....

with any luck, it might turn them straight!

aGameOfThrones
06-12-2013, 08:03 PM
http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Quagmire-family-guy-684487_1024_768.gif

FrankRep
06-12-2013, 08:06 PM
I wonder hoe many guys will have the bright idea to "become gay" just to shower naked with the girls.

TheTexan
06-12-2013, 08:08 PM
I wonder hoe many guys will have the bright idea to "become gay" just to shower naked with the girls.

Wouldn't be worth it lol, but yes, probably a few jokers will :)

Origanalist
06-12-2013, 08:08 PM
I wonder hoe many guys will have the bright idea to "become gay" just to shower naked with the girls.

I didn't see anything about being gay.

PSYOP
06-12-2013, 08:10 PM
What's next? All female football teams?

TheTexan
06-12-2013, 08:10 PM
I didn't see anything about being gay.

“(f) A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and facilities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records.”

Sola_Fide
06-12-2013, 08:12 PM
Get your kids out of the indoctrination centers.

Origanalist
06-12-2013, 08:14 PM
“(f) A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and facilities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records.”

Yep, missed that.

FrankRep
06-12-2013, 08:14 PM
I didn't see anything about being gay.

It says, "his or her gender identity." I'm guessing that is a polite way of saying gay.

I guess you could be a guy that has a "gender identity" of a girl, but likes other girls. A "Lesbian trapped in a man's body." :-p

Zippyjuan
06-12-2013, 08:17 PM
The intent was to allow trangenders use the restroom they sexually identify with. If think they are a girl, they can use the girl's restroom.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/04/transgender-bathroom-rights-tom-ammiano_n_2807893.html

SAN FRANCISCO -- A California lawmaker has introduced legislation aimed at guaranteeing that transgender students have the right to use public school restrooms and participate on sports teams that correspond with their expressed genders.

If approved by the state Legislature, Assemblyman Tom Ammiano's measure would give young people the right to participate in sex-segregated programs, activities and facilities regardless of what sexual category exists on their school records.

Discriminating against transgender people already is illegal in California, but the bill's supporters say AB1266 is necessary to ensure that school districts do not deny students opportunities to participate in activities or to feel welcome on campus.

A Colorado family recently filed a civil rights complaint against their school district after they were told their first-grader who was born a boy could not use the girl's bathroom.

FrankRep
06-12-2013, 08:21 PM
The intent was to allow trangenders use the restroom they sexually identify with. If think they are a girl, they can use the girl's restroom.

My OP explained the "intent" of the bill and its a stupid bill.

I'm just waiting for parents to pull their kids out of ridiculous public school system.

Smart3
06-12-2013, 08:23 PM
I don't have an issue with any of this.

Do you really think girls are going to shower with a transwoman? (or in this case, transgirl).

John F Kennedy III
06-12-2013, 08:29 PM
The thread title is inconsistent with the story.

Reason
06-12-2013, 08:43 PM
The thread title is inconsistent with the story.

Very.

Amusing to me that people don't understand the difference between sexual gender attraction preference and self identified gender.

Carlybee
06-12-2013, 08:50 PM
I've long since stopped caring what happens in the People's Socialist Republic of Kalifornia

Origanalist
06-12-2013, 08:55 PM
Very.

Amusing to me that people don't understand the difference between sexual gender attraction preference and self identified gender.

Some of us just can't keep up with the term de jour. (and just don't care)

Smart3
06-12-2013, 08:58 PM
I've long since stopped caring what happens in the People's Socialist Republic of Kalifornia

We changed the name last year, it's now the Serene Democratic People's Republic of Kalifornia. (only those moderate Trotskyists dare use the C!)

Carlybee
06-12-2013, 09:02 PM
fyi..I don't think transgender and gay are necessarily the same thing. A man can be gay without feeling like he is in actuality a female.

TheTexan
06-12-2013, 09:04 PM
fyi..I don't think transgender and gay are necessarily the same thing. A man can be gay without feeling like he is in actuality a female.

Ya but the reverse I think is generally true... "women" trapped in men's bodies, are usually (always?) gay

Smart3
06-12-2013, 09:08 PM
fyi..I don't think transgender and gay are necessarily the same thing. A man can be gay without feeling like he is in actuality a female.

That's an extremely strange comment.

A transgender person can be straight (a male who wishes to be a girl but is still attracted exclusively to girls), gay, bi, pan, etc.

A trans can also be someone prior to the operation or after. Laws are tricky on this, so gender reassignment surgery might not have happened by the time the person is in high school.

We do not ban Lesbians from being in showers/restrooms with straight girls, so why is it any different for trans people?

ronpaulfollower999
06-12-2013, 09:10 PM
only gay boys would be showering with girls....

with any luck, it might turn them straight!

no thanks

more gay men = more single women for me.

TheTexan
06-12-2013, 09:11 PM
no thanks

more gay men = more single women for me.

good point

PaulConventionWV
06-12-2013, 09:17 PM
Very.

Amusing to me that people don't understand the difference between sexual gender attraction preference and self identified gender.

Yeah, I mean, haven't we been indoctrinated enough to know the difference? Jeezuz Christ...

Carlybee
06-12-2013, 09:17 PM
That's an extremely strange comment.

A transgender person can be straight (a male who wishes to be a girl but is still attracted exclusively to girls), gay, bi, pan, etc.

A trans can also be someone prior to the operation or after. Laws are tricky on this, so gender reassignment surgery might not have happened by the time the person is in high school.

We do not ban Lesbians from being in showers/restrooms with straight girls, so why is it any different for trans people?

That's what I was trying to allude to...people seem to think all transgenders are gay...I'm no expert.

catfeathers
06-12-2013, 09:27 PM
In my high school the girl's showers were in stalls. The boy's weren't.

asurfaholic
06-12-2013, 09:27 PM
I'm going back to school. And this time in going to feel like I'm a girl, so I'm going to the little girls locker room.

Dont mind me or the elephant in my pants, i can't help that I'm really a girl in this boys body.





Man...

Ranger29860
06-12-2013, 09:28 PM
Ya but the reverse I think is generally true... "women" trapped in men's bodies, are usually (always?) gay

How would you define gay in that scenario? It's irrelevant anyway since gender identity and sexual orientation are two completely different things.

Also to PaulConvention, it is not a matter of indoctrination, transgenderism has been around since damn near recorded history has been. ( every culture has had it and mentioned it) So its not indoctrination to know the different terms, its just knowing what types of people are in the world.

John F Kennedy III
06-12-2013, 09:31 PM
We changed the name last year, it's now the Serene Democratic People's Republic of Kalifornia. (only those moderate Trotskyists dare use the C!)

I moved away from Kali 9 months ago...is everyone goosestepping in lock step yet?

Ranger29860
06-12-2013, 09:31 PM
I'm going back to school. And this time in going to feel like I'm a girl, so I'm going to the little girls locker room.

Dont mind me or the elephant in my pants, i can't help that I'm really a girl in this boys body.





Man...

Ok so get ready for years of therapy, test, bullying and if your an unlucky one, admonishment of your parents including beatings and abandonment. If your lucky enough not to commit suicide like a disproportion-it amount of teenage transgender individual's do then fine go sit in a girls locker room to get your rocks off.

asurfaholic
06-12-2013, 09:32 PM
In my high school the girl's showers were in stalls. The boy's weren't.

Those little spaces between the doors and the stall walls? Yup, you know what I'm talking about. I'm sure i could see more boobies through those spaces in one good girls soccer practice session than I otherwise would have seen my whole high school career.

Where are all these transgendered people coming from? Is it just a kalifornia thing? I have never even heard about this sort of freaky condition until i read about all this stuff.

John F Kennedy III
06-12-2013, 09:33 PM
Ya but the reverse I think is generally true... "women" trapped in men's bodies, are usually (always?) gay

One factor may be the surgery. You get alot better result subtracting a penis then you do adding one.

asurfaholic
06-12-2013, 09:34 PM
Ok so get ready for years of therapy, test, bullying and if your an unlucky one, admonishment of your parents including beatings and abandonment. If your lucky enough not to commit suicide like a disproportion-it amount of teenage transgender individual's do then fine go sit in a girls locker room to get your rocks off.

I hope you know I really don't like what I am reading here...... I think it is sick and twisted.

Anti Federalist
06-12-2013, 09:36 PM
whoops, wrong thread

Tod
06-12-2013, 09:38 PM
drat! born too early!

Ranger29860
06-12-2013, 09:38 PM
I hope you know I really don't like what I am reading here...... I think it is sick and twisted.

Just so I don't confuse what is being said here, could you elaborate on what you consider to be sick and twisted?

FrankRep
06-12-2013, 09:40 PM
I hope you know I really don't like what I am reading here...... I think it is sick and twisted.

Just so I don't confuse what is being said here, could you elaborate on what you consider to be sick and twisted?
Forcing my daughter to shower with a naked boy is pretty sick and twisted to me.

Anti Federalist
06-12-2013, 09:43 PM
Some of us just can't keep up with the term de jour. (and just don't care)

Reminds me of this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_96ZJ96kvxsk/TBu_qU6r-rI/AAAAAAAAAHc/aBM3HvtxFSM/s400/calvinacademiahereicome.jpg

V3n
06-12-2013, 09:45 PM
“(f) A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and facilities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records.”

If an individual with a penis identifies as female, and wants to shower in the female showers, they can. It doesn't say the people with vaginas have to be in there at the same time. Where in the law does it say they have to be there at the same time?? This is just more sensationalism trying to drum up more homophobia; and judging by this thread it worked.

Ranger29860
06-12-2013, 09:45 PM
Forcing my daughter to shower with a naked boy is pretty sick and twisted to me.

You know, me being transgender kinda scewes my viewpoint, but even then I can understand parents having concern with this since on its face all people think about is a boy faking it to get into the showers.

Even if the boy has absolutely no sexual attraction to a girl or your daughter would this be an issue? What if an out an about lesbian showers with your daughter? Is that in the same area as this for you?

Is it the sexual attraction that makes this, sick and twisted to you? If so, if that element is removed what is the problem ? If that is not the issue for you what is it?

TheTexan
06-12-2013, 09:54 PM
Even if the boy has absolutely no sexual attraction to a girl or your daughter would this be an issue? What if an out an about lesbian showers with your daughter? Is that in the same area as this for you?

Some people here keep trying to make the point that transgender does not necessarily mean you're gay. I don't know enough transgender people to make a determination on that, but if that's true, does that not make your argument here a moot point?

If the transgender boy still liked girls, and was in the showers with the girls... would that then be cause for concern?

PaulConventionWV
06-13-2013, 09:02 AM
Ok so get ready for years of therapy, test, bullying and if your an unlucky one, admonishment of your parents including beatings and abandonment. If your lucky enough not to commit suicide like a disproportion-it amount of teenage transgender individual's do then fine go sit in a girls locker room to get your rocks off.

"disproportion-it"..... REALLY? Are you serious?

tod evans
06-13-2013, 09:06 AM
I don't have an issue with any of this.


I'd like to extend an invitation to come live in the Ozarks for a while.....:cool:

Origanalist
06-13-2013, 09:10 AM
If an individual with a penis identifies as female, and wants to shower in the female showers, they can. It doesn't say the people with vaginas have to be in there at the same time. Where in the law does it say they have to be there at the same time?? This is just more sensationalism trying to drum up more homophobia; and judging by this thread it worked.

Are you serious? Are you saying they won't demand this? Get back on the planet.

tangent4ronpaul
06-13-2013, 09:12 AM
I wonder hoe many guys will have the bright idea to "become gay" just to shower naked with the girls.

Shower? He should just join the GSA. His anatomy would make him really popular at sleepovers...

-t

erowe1
06-13-2013, 09:40 AM
The thread title is deceptive. They're not allowing boys to shower with girls, they're only allowing girls with penises to shower with girls with vaginas, and allowing boys with penises to shower with boys with vaginas.

I predict that there will be a surge of lesbians with penises.

Ranger29860
06-13-2013, 09:48 AM
"disproportion-it"..... REALLY? Are you serious?

are you making fun of my crappy attempt at spelling that word? Or the idea that a disproportionate amount of transgender kids kill themselves versus other groups of teenagers?

erowe1
06-13-2013, 09:52 AM
are you making fun of my crappy attempt at spelling that word? Or the idea that a disproportionate amount of transgender kids kill themselves versus other groups of teenagers?

That doesn't strike me as an argument in favor of promoting even more transgenderism.

erowe1
06-13-2013, 09:55 AM
If an individual with a penis identifies as female, and wants to shower in the female showers, they can. It doesn't say the people with vaginas have to be in there at the same time. Where in the law does it say they have to be there at the same time?? This is just more sensationalism trying to drum up more homophobia; and judging by this thread it worked.

It doesn't say they have to be there at the same time. It just says the kids with penises can't get kicked out of the locker room merely because kids with vaginas want to use it.

If a kid with a vagina wants to shower without any kids with penises around, they'll just have to wait until the kids with penises clear out of the locker room to do it, and hope that no other kids with penises come in while they're in there.

erowe1
06-13-2013, 09:55 AM
..

Ranger29860
06-13-2013, 09:57 AM
That doesn't strike me as an argument in favor of promoting even more transgenderism.

On its own no, but go back and read my original post where I butchered disproportionate :)

amy31416
06-13-2013, 10:01 AM
I don't like the idea of kids showering at school, period.

Personally, the school locker rooms always creeped me out.

bolil
06-13-2013, 10:05 AM
This is a good thing. All of the straight guys will go to the girls shower, while the gay guys will stay in the boys shower, unless they go over to gossip or rape a straight boy for some reason. I do hope they will do something to prevent rape. So long as they prevent rapes (I would allow the students to bring shivs with them) what can go wrong?

I wonder if they will be consolidated the prisons along with their feeder institutions.

brandon
06-13-2013, 10:07 AM
If I was in that highschool I'd definitely think about identifying as a lesbian woman.

jmdrake
06-13-2013, 10:13 AM
The intent was to allow trangenders use the restroom they sexually identify with. If think they are a girl, they can use the girl's restroom.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/04/transgender-bathroom-rights-tom-ammiano_n_2807893.html

Yeah. But there's nothing to stop someone from lying and saying "I'm a girl" when really he's just a socially inept guy. Really this is retarded. And the solution is...get rid of public schools.

BAllen
06-13-2013, 10:14 AM
Wouldn't be worth it lol, but yes, probably a few jokers will :)

Might work if they try to convert him. He's so confused. He needs help, lol.

erowe1
06-13-2013, 10:16 AM
Yeah. But there's nothing to stop someone from lying and saying "I'm a girl" when really he's just a socially inept guy. Really this is retarded. And the solution is...get rid of public schools.

That wouldn't even be lying. In order for it to be there would have to be some objective way of distinguishing girls and boys.

jmdrake
06-13-2013, 10:17 AM
If an individual with a penis identifies as female, and wants to shower in the female showers, they can. It doesn't say the people with vaginas have to be in there at the same time. Where in the law does it say they have to be there at the same time?? This is just more sensationalism trying to drum up more homophobia; and judging by this thread it worked.

:rolleyes: No. Homophobia would be a law saying no gays could use the showers. Really, when concern over every stupid idea that comes out becomes "homophobia" the word ceases to have meaning.

Origanalist
06-13-2013, 10:19 AM
That wouldn't even be lying. In order for it to be there would have to be some objective way of distinguishing girls and boys.

Ummmm.........

jmdrake
06-13-2013, 10:23 AM
That wouldn't even be lying. In order for it to be there would have to be some objective way of distinguishing girls and boys.

You know....really you're making a subtle but good point. There are some people born with confused genitalia. If this policy was restricted to people like that it would make sense. But no...the fact that some people are physically intergender has been extrapolated to anybody who thinks they are or at least says they are.

asurfaholic
06-13-2013, 10:25 AM
Forcing my daughter to shower with a naked boy is pretty sick and twisted to me.

Yea this.

Thanks frank.

Origanalist
06-13-2013, 10:25 AM
You know....really you're making a subtle but good point. There are some people born with confused genitalia. If this policy was restricted to people like that it would make sense. But no...the fact that some people are physically intergender has been extrapolated to anybody who thinks they are or at least says they are.

That, is a extremely small percentage of the population.

erowe1
06-13-2013, 10:33 AM
That, is a extremely small percentage of the population.

How do you know? Again, is there an objective way of distinguishing this category of people?

Origanalist
06-13-2013, 10:34 AM
How do you know? Again, is there an objective way of distinguishing this category of people?

Male and female??????

dannno
06-13-2013, 10:37 AM
“(f) A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and facilities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records.”

You can be a male and have a female gender identity and still be attracted to other females. In fact, I think there's a member on this board who identifies that way.

erowe1
06-13-2013, 10:37 AM
Male and female??????

Yeah. I mean, if females can have male bodies, and vice versa, can there even be any objective definition of which is which?

erowe1
06-13-2013, 10:38 AM
You can be a male and have a female gender identity and still be attracted to other females. In fact, I think there's a member on this board who identifies that way.

With laws like that in the OP, this may well become quite normal in the near future.

Origanalist
06-13-2013, 10:42 AM
Yeah. I mean, if females can have male bodies, and vice versa, can there even be any objective definition of which is which?

But females don't have male bodies, they have female bodies. They may wish they had male bodies, but they don't.

jmdrake
06-13-2013, 10:48 AM
How do you know? Again, is there an objective way of distinguishing this category of people?

I believe Origanalist is talking about kids who are born where a doctor looking at them can't tell if the child is a boy or a girl. That's the population I was talking about. And that population is very small. The objective criteria here is "If the doc can't tell, then it's understandable why you might not be sure yourself."

erowe1
06-13-2013, 10:53 AM
I believe Origanalist is talking about kids who are born where a doctor looking at them can't tell if the child is a boy or a girl. That's the population I was talking about. And that population is very small. The objective criteria here is "If the doc can't tell, then it's understandable why you might not be sure yourself."

OK. That's true. But as I understood you, the part of your post that he was replying to was about extrapolating beyond that group to include anyone who identifies as whichever gender without any regard for anything anatomical at all, which is what the OP is talking about.

erowe1
06-13-2013, 10:55 AM
But females don't have male bodies, they have female bodies. They may wish they had male bodies, but they don't.

But the whole premise of the OP is that some females do have male bodies.

Please understand that when I've been saying things according to that premise in this thread, it's only been for the sake of argument. I don't really believe there's such a thing as a woman trapped in a man's body.

amy31416
06-13-2013, 11:22 AM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxRkHhIJyw3iOLMKRwnyaXtL10qGVRI gcj17KDzaaoroSrjXaj


Q. What was the outcome of her gender test?
A. The IAAF carried out its own test after her Berlin victory but patient confidentiality means the outcome has never been made public.
There were, though, unconfirmed media reports that Semenya was found to be a hermaphrodite, with both male and female sexual organs, and that she had unusually high levels of testosterone.
Indeed, IAAF general secretary Pierre Weiss confirmed as much when, in an unfortunate moment of indiscretion, he said: “It is clear that she is a woman but maybe not 100 per cent.”

This is very rare, but I'd have no issue using the same bathroom with her.

Origanalist
06-13-2013, 11:24 AM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxRkHhIJyw3iOLMKRwnyaXtL10qGVRI gcj17KDzaaoroSrjXaj



This is very rare, but I'd have no issue using the same bathroom with her.

SEMENYA?

amy31416
06-13-2013, 11:28 AM
SEMENYA?

Yes. Not only was her status released to the world without her permission, but her last name is Semenya. First name Caster.

amy31416
06-13-2013, 11:29 AM
SEMENYA?

First name Caster.

Her whole name is practically a sentence. Poor thing.

ETA: stupid connection. it told me it didn't post the previous one.

Origanalist
06-13-2013, 11:45 AM
Caster Semenya, somehow it fits.

presence
08-01-2013, 03:45 PM
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AB 1266 Under this legislation, there are absolutely no safeguards against abuse.

Any teenage boy who “identifies” with teenage girls
must be given full access to girls’ teams and facilities
including showers, bathrooms and locker rooms.

Coaches and parents would have no say in the matter. This is not equality; it is insanity. We cannot stand by and allow politicians controlled by radical special interest groups to sacrifice the privacy of the 99% of our students who are not confused about their biological gender for the 1% (or less) who are. It is incredibly naïve for the Legislature to believe that such a law would never be abused or exploited by a predator.

tod evans
08-01-2013, 03:48 PM
Whadda bout girls who "identify" as guys?

Christian Liberty
08-01-2013, 03:49 PM
Get your kids out of the indoctrination centers.

Yes, this is the correct response to this. +1.

This is government showing its true colors.

Nobexliberty
08-01-2013, 03:55 PM
This happens when perversions become acceptable and protected in the name of political correctness, soon it will be legal for a 40 year old to sleep with a 8 year old.

paulbot24
08-01-2013, 03:59 PM
We're all trapped in a very gay place. We don't identify with the red room or the blue room so we get the padded room and/or the locked room. Lovin this freedom.

Ranger29860
08-01-2013, 04:02 PM
AB1266 is very badly worded.

"(f) A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and activities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records."

This needs to be specific in saying a person who is diagnosed with GID and is already undergoing hormone treatment. if they are going to include it and want to avoid a lot of the issues raised.The rest of the text is fine.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB1266

Nobexliberty
08-01-2013, 04:16 PM
America should pay Mexico so America can give California to Mexico, they should give away money so they can get rid of California!

eduardo89
08-01-2013, 05:05 PM
That wouldn't even be lying. In order for it to be there would have to be some objective way of distinguishing girls and boys.

Because penises and vaginas are not objective ways of determining gender, right?

eduardo89
08-01-2013, 05:07 PM
America should pay Mexico so America can give California to Mexico, they should give away money so they can get rid of California!

No thanks. I think we should just dump all the liberals in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

matt0611
08-01-2013, 05:10 PM
“(f) A pupil shall be permitted to participate in sex-segregated school programs and facilities, including athletic teams and competitions, and use facilities consistent with his or her gender identity, irrespective of the gender listed on the pupil’s records.”

So what's to stop me from claiming I'm a girl who likes girls?

It has to do with what identity you identify with, not the one you are sexually attracted to.

tod evans
08-01-2013, 05:10 PM
No thanks. I think we should just dump all the liberals in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

Nah, there are a few good-n's...

How about dumping everyone who draws a check from the government instead?

eduardo89
08-01-2013, 05:16 PM
How about dumping everyone who draws a check from the government instead?

We'd have to dump Ron, Rand, Amash and Massie then!

tod evans
08-01-2013, 05:18 PM
We'd have to dump Ron, Rand, Amash and Massie then!

They've sacrificed so much already somebody'd rescue them from the midst of the leaching hoards...

Christian Liberty
08-01-2013, 05:57 PM
LOL! at this exchange.

Honestly, I'd be willing to throw Rand in the Pacific Ocean if it meant getting to throw every other senator into the Pacific Ocean. Sorry Rand, but I don't love you that much, we'd be better off without ANY of you than with you, the 98 wolves, and the guy we haven't quite figured out yet.

osan
08-01-2013, 08:18 PM
It says, "his or her gender identity." I'm guessing that is a polite way of saying gay.

Nope. You might ID as a woman in a man's body. You might ID as a LESBIAN woman in a man's body. If I'd had this opportunity at 16 I would have realized my goal of having every girl in the school. As it was I came up short a couple. Oh, the regret.

And yes, I WOULD have ID'd as a lesbian trapped in a man's body if it got me in the showers with the girls. I never gave a shit what people thought of me and I still don't. :) :) :)


I guess you could be a guy that has a "gender identity" of a girl, but likes other girls. A "Lesbian trapped in a man's body." :-p

You see? You know the score better than you first let on.

I was exiting a bar/restaurant one evening at Union Square and quipped to my friend, "It's tough being a male lesbian". The woman passing me on the way in almost fell off her very high heels. What can I say?

I<3Liberty
08-02-2013, 02:30 AM
This isn't for the kind of equality people are thinking about. They do this to establish equality between hermaphroditic, transsexual, transgender students and students with a more black and white sexual or gender identify.

One time, I saw a guy in a woman's bathroom and I was kind of creeped out. Later on, someone told me he was transsexual (originally female, now male), but he wasn't allowed to use the men's bathroom until his sex was legally changed. You can't change it in my state, so he had to use the female bathrooms.

More schools have settled this issue by adding more family bathrooms. Not only is this great for transgender and transsexual people, it's also is better for families with younger kids that need to be supervised, parents with baby strollers, and people in wheelchairs since family bathrooms are more spacious.

LibertyEagle
08-02-2013, 03:04 AM
How would you define gay in that scenario? It's irrelevant anyway since gender identity and sexual orientation are two completely different things.

Also to PaulConvention, it is not a matter of indoctrination, transgenderism has been around since damn near recorded history has been. ( every culture has had it and mentioned it) So its not indoctrination to know the different terms, its just knowing what types of people are in the world.

They aren't a "type of person". There are boys and there are girls. Anything in-between is either a freak of nature or a pervert. But, yet, government and some useful idiots seem to believe that everything should be turned on its head and that society should bow to the lowest common denominator (freak of nature or pervert).

No wonder kids are so screwed up today and no wonder they are graduating not knowing how to read, write, or do basic mathematics. Oh, but they've been taught all about "gender identity". :rolleyes:

Austrian Econ Disciple
08-02-2013, 03:31 AM
Why the urge for women to play mens sports? Us men don't have the urge to go play women's field hockey and if we did, it would just turn into male domination. Imagine LeBron James playing in the WNBA. Now, if you want to try out, fine, but something tells me they'll gin up some excuse like they're not picking us because we're girls, and then comes the mandated gender 'equality' non-sense. I didn't have a problem with Feminism when it was over political liberty, but Feminism now-a-days is rancid and putrid and is not only blind to reality (basic biology), but also hideously hypocritical in many areas.

It's OK for women to play in mens leagues, but it's not OK for men to play in women's...OK, sure, whatever.

Ranger29860
08-02-2013, 03:36 AM
They aren't a "type of person". There are boys and there are girls. Anything in-between is either a freak of nature or a pervert.

Nothing in nature is that black and white.

Ranger29860
08-02-2013, 03:44 AM
So what's to stop me from claiming I'm a girl who likes girls?

It has to do with what identity you identify with, not the one you are sexually attracted to.

Nothing that's the problem with the wording, it doesn't seem to require a diagnoses of GID which is what you have to be diagnosed with in order to undergone hormone treatment or SRS. If they would require it, it would fix a lot of the concerns (if people bothered to do research of course). To get diagnosed with GID as an adult it takes months and months of therapy. For a young adult or child it takes years. Yeah there still may be the weird case of a guy trying to pull that crap but they be in for a shock as to how much work (by work I mean them faking it) it takes to get diagnosed.

Cabal
08-02-2013, 03:50 AM
Forcing my daughter to shower with a naked boy is pretty sick and twisted to me.

Forcing anyone to shower with anyone is pretty sick and twisted to me.

jene277
08-02-2013, 05:55 AM
I don't like the idea of kids showering at school, period.

Personally, the school locker rooms always creeped me out.

I'm right there with you! I never had to shower at school (we didn't have stalls, either), but hated even changing in front of other girls. I didn't think it was appropriate then, and don't think it is now. It seems to be one of the few places society feels it's acceptable. We don't change in front of others of the same sex in department store changing rooms. Why should teens be forced to at school?

Nobexliberty
08-02-2013, 06:01 AM
They aren't a "type of person". There are boys and there are girls. Anything in-between is either a freak of nature or a pervert. But, yet, government and some useful idiots seem to believe that everything should be turned on its head and that society should bow to the lowest common denominator (freak of nature or pervert).

No wonder kids are so screwed up today and no wonder they are graduating not knowing how to read, write, or do basic mathematics. Oh, but they've been taught all about "gender identity". :rolleyes:Agree with you, our forum Eagle:)

TonySutton
08-02-2013, 06:48 AM
lol as people continue to argue about the wrong topic. let them drag you down a rabbit hole chasing ghosts. it is not who should be showering with who at school. the argument should be why do we have public schools?!!

Nobexliberty
08-02-2013, 11:23 AM
lol as people continue to argue about the wrong topic. let them drag you down a rabbit hole chasing ghosts. it is not who should be showering with who at school. the argument should be why do we have public schools?!! But it is still disgusting!

The Free Hornet
08-02-2013, 11:35 AM
Forcing my daughter to shower with a naked boy is pretty sick and twisted to me.

Who is forcing your daughter to shower with or without anybody?


Students in this San Diego suburb would rather stink than shower at school, and coaches are helpless to force anyone to bathe after marathon two-hour physical education classes. "We encourage it, we suggest it, we do everything we can," says Gene Alim, veteran athletic director at Otay Ranch. "But the problem is that we're restricted as to what we can enforce."

...

In California, mandatory showers vanished after the legendary Proposition 13 slashed school funding in the late 1970s and early 1980s, and campuses stopped providing clean towels to students.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0203/p12s01-legn.html

matt0611
08-02-2013, 12:06 PM
I'm right there with you! I never had to shower at school (we didn't have stalls, either), but hated even changing in front of other girls. I didn't think it was appropriate then, and don't think it is now. It seems to be one of the few places society feels it's acceptable. We don't change in front of others of the same sex in department store changing rooms. Why should teens be forced to at school?

Agreed. Never showered at school either. Never got naked in front of kids in school.

If they need to have showers in school for some reason they should just have separate showers so kids don't have to shower or see each other without their clothes on.

heavenlyboy34
08-02-2013, 01:05 PM
I don't like the idea of kids showering at school, period.

Personally, the school locker rooms always creeped me out.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to amy31416 again.

Kinda like the shower scene in American History X...:eek: (it's on youtube if you haven't seen the movie yet)

heavenlyboy34
08-02-2013, 01:08 PM
Reminds me of this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_96ZJ96kvxsk/TBu_qU6r-rI/AAAAAAAAAHc/aBM3HvtxFSM/s400/calvinacademiahereicome.jpg
:D Makes me wish I still had my C&H anthology books around. :(

parocks
08-02-2013, 01:09 PM
fyi..I don't think transgender and gay are necessarily the same thing. A man can be gay without feeling like he is in actuality a female.

Right, different types of mental illness.

TonySutton
08-02-2013, 01:17 PM
Right, different types of mental illness.

do you have a source for this assertion?

eduardo89
08-02-2013, 01:21 PM
Right, different types of mental illness.

I don't think homosexual attraction is a mental illness. I think homosexual acts are sinful, shameful, disgusting, immoral, destructive acts but I don't think people with homosexual attractions can help their attraction anymore than a straight man can help being attracted to boobs. Everyone has their sinful temptations, and I don't think homosexual thoughts are any worse than a man thinking of having sex with someone other than his wife. The devil temps us all, hoping we fall into his trap so he can claim our souls for eternity, and homosexuality is just one way he does it. Those with homosexual temptations need to learn to control them and not act on those impulses just as a straight man should not act on his lustful desires for women who are not his wife.

Transgenderism, on the other hand, is a serious mental illness. A man who wants to cut of his penis and wear dresses has some serious mental problems. The sad thing about society today is that we play into these ill people's deranged fantasies instead of helping them overcome them. Laws like this are a disgrace, instead of calling transgenderism what it truly is, a mental disorder, we act like a man who wants to mutilitate his genitals is perfectly normal.

parocks
08-02-2013, 01:25 PM
Nothing that's the problem with the wording, it doesn't seem to require a diagnoses of GID which is what you have to be diagnosed with in order to undergone hormone treatment or SRS. If they would require it, it would fix a lot of the concerns (if people bothered to do research of course). To get diagnosed with GID as an adult it takes months and months of therapy. For a young adult or child it takes years. Yeah there still may be the weird case of a guy trying to pull that crap but they be in for a shock as to how much work (by work I mean them faking it) it takes to get diagnosed.

Diagnosed? If they're a boy, they're a boy. If they think they're a girl, they're wrong. Treat that with hormones. Not girl hormones. Boy hormones. It's a mental illness, and a particularly dangerous one. If all the boys started thinking they were girls, and mutilated their genitals, or started having sex exclusively with boys, humans would become extinct. Is it good public policy to encourage behaviors which would cause extinction?

acptulsa
08-02-2013, 01:29 PM
I know this doesn't seem to have a damned thing to do with labor unions, but it makes me think of them anyway.

Labor unions were set up to do something necessary and important. Then they did it. After that, they got to feeling their newly won power, and started 'doing something even if it was wrong' to justify continuting to collect dues from their members. They bought influence with politicians and slowly turned into institutions protected and codified by law. Indeed, it got to the point where laws were passed to try to deal with the problems the laws created. And the unions have become such a mess that a great many workers don't want anything to do with them.

Such a simple thing to protect someone who's too square a peg to fit into one of society's neat little round holes. Just pass a law. And if the law that maybe makes the target minority feel a little better is a major inconvenience to--or worse, a serious crime against--the majority, well, let the majority organize and fight for their own rights. Right?

This is the stuff totalitarianism is made of.

The Free Hornet
08-02-2013, 01:34 PM
Diagnosed? If they're a boy, they're a boy. If they think they're a girl, they're wrong. Treat that with hormones. Not girl hormones. Boy hormones. It's a mental illness, and a particularly dangerous one. If all the boys started thinking they were girls, and mutilated their genitals, or started having sex exclusively with boys, humans would become extinct. Is it good public policy to encourage behaviors which would cause extinction?

So I shouldn't be allowed NOT to have children because if everybody did that we'd be extinct? The upside is not having to hear bullshit arguments like that anymore.

jbauer
08-02-2013, 02:34 PM
no thanks
more gay men = more single women for me.
Well it could turn out like the South Park episode where they all turned Fay to stop the future. Now if all progressives would do that we might have a chance

parocks
08-02-2013, 02:46 PM
So I shouldn't be allowed NOT to have children because if everybody did that we'd be extinct? The upside is not having to hear bullshit arguments like that anymore.

You can have children. You aren't doing anything to prevent yourself from having children.

I'm talking about whether it's good public policy to encourage extinctionary behaviors. I say NO. NOT good public policy. Did I argue that crazy people who chop up their genitals should go to jail? I think I was simply arguing that the government should not be taking the side of the crazy people. They could simply stay neutral. Extinctionary behaviors are the most dangerous. The consequences are severe. Extinction.

pcosmar
08-02-2013, 03:09 PM
They aren't a "type of person". There are boys and there are girls.

It ain't that simple ,,or black and white.

Carolina Infant's Mistaken Sex Assignment Surgery More Than a Case of Malpractice
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erica-k-landau/carolina-infants-mistaken-sex-assignment-surgery-more-than-a-case-of-malpractice_b_3369340.html

Sex assignment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_assignment

I have to wonder how often they decide wrong... And if,, in this day of genetic manipulation and Biologic experimentation and pure evil,, if it is not intentional.

This is one more bad legal decision to be added to a huge pile of them,, :(

and another reason I decided not to bring children into this world.

You want to protect children?,, get them out of these schools,, and out of town if possible.

alucard13mm
08-02-2013, 03:22 PM
Why the hell do everyone else have to be forcefully accomodate one person?

Allergic to nuts - ban nuts for everyone else.
"Boy" wants to shower in girls shower cause of transgender issues - breaks down gender segregation and showers in girl's shower ("boy" probably still has a penis).
A few gets offended - ruins it for others by getting it removed.

Back to the transgender issue.. Why change the law and make exceptions because a few thousand kids have gender issues. California should use its time on things more important... like balancing the budget for that few billion dollar deficiet.

compromise
08-02-2013, 03:31 PM
LOL! at this exchange.

Honestly, I'd be willing to throw Rand in the Pacific Ocean if it meant getting to throw every other senator into the Pacific Ocean. Sorry Rand, but I don't love you that much, we'd be better off without ANY of you than with you, the 98 wolves, and the guy we haven't quite figured out yet.

Wait, what? You want to throw Senators in the Pacific Ocean?

presence
08-02-2013, 03:35 PM
I don't think homosexual attraction is a mental illness. I think homosexual acts are sinful, shameful, disgusting, immoral, destructive acts but I don't think people with homosexual attractions can help their attraction anymore than a straight man can help being attracted to boobs. Everyone has their sinful temptations, and I don't think homosexual thoughts are any worse than a man thinking of having sex with someone other than his wife. The devil temps us all, hoping we fall into his trap so he can claim our souls for eternity, and homosexuality is just one way he does it. Those with homosexual temptations need to learn to control them and not act on those impulses just as a straight man should not act on his lustful desires for women who are not his wife.

Transgenderism, on the other hand, is a serious mental illness. A man who wants to cut of his penis and wear dresses has some serious mental problems. The sad thing about society today is that we play into these ill people's deranged fantasies instead of helping them overcome them. Laws like this are a disgrace, instead of calling transgenderism what it truly is, a mental disorder, we act like a man who wants to mutilitate his genitals is perfectly normal.

sanity has a frayed edge

The Free Hornet
08-02-2013, 03:35 PM
Did I argue that crazy people who chop up their genitals should go to jail? I think I was simply arguing that the government should not be taking the side of the crazy people. They could simply stay neutral.

OK, then we are back to letting people do what they want particularly on so-called public property. Maybe they'll let hobos shower in the schools since nobody else does.

bolil
08-02-2013, 03:36 PM
Reason one to not have kids.

Nirvikalpa
08-02-2013, 03:42 PM
They aren't a "type of person". There are boys and there are girls. Anything in-between is either a freak of nature or a pervert. But, yet, government and some useful idiots seem to believe that everything should be turned on its head and that society should bow to the lowest common denominator (freak of nature or pervert).

No wonder kids are so screwed up today and no wonder they are graduating not knowing how to read, write, or do basic mathematics. Oh, but they've been taught all about "gender identity". :rolleyes:

And the few kids out there who are born biologically stunted, with a chromosomal abnormality, or with both sets of sexual organs? Would you be the volunteer to tell a 6 year old they're a biological freak of nature? Have at it.

LibertyEagle
08-02-2013, 05:32 PM
It ain't that simple ,,or black and white.

Carolina Infant's Mistaken Sex Assignment Surgery More Than a Case of Malpractice
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erica-k-landau/carolina-infants-mistaken-sex-assignment-surgery-more-than-a-case-of-malpractice_b_3369340.html

Sex assignment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_assignment

I have to wonder how often they decide wrong... And if,, in this day of genetic manipulation and Biologic experimentation and pure evil,, if it is not intentional.

This is one more bad legal decision to be added to a huge pile of them,, :(

and another reason I decided not to bring children into this world.

You want to protect children?,, get them out of these schools,, and out of town if possible.

Yes, it is. This fits into the freak of nature category. It's sad, but things like this happen occasionally. It doesn't follow that the entire society should be changed to cater to a genetic mistake of nature.


When the child identified in court papers only as "M.C." was 16 months old and a ward of the state, doctors and health officials in South Carolina decided that he would become a girl. Born intersex (a term that encompasses individuals with some variation of both male and female sexual and reproductive anatomy), M.C. had "ambiguous genitals" and "both male and female reproductive organs,"

LibertyEagle
08-02-2013, 05:36 PM
And the few kids out there who are born biologically stunted, with a chromosomal abnormality, or with both sets of sexual organs? Would you be the volunteer to tell a 6 year old they're a biological freak of nature? Have at it.

This is a medical issue; not a societal issue. And yes, these abnormalities, while extremely sad, are genetic mistakes, in the very same way that on rare occasion a 2-headed calf is born or one that has 5 legs.

Christian Liberty
08-02-2013, 05:46 PM
Regarding the thread, although I obviously oppose this, does anyone else think that Christians and other conservatives who support the Civil Rights Act of 1964 are kind of asking for it?

pcosmar
08-02-2013, 05:57 PM
Yes, it is. This fits into the freak of nature category. It's sad, but things like this happen occasionally. It doesn't follow that the entire society should be changed to cater to a genetic mistake of nature.

Well,, it is not unknown. nor all that rare. It has been known for thousands of years (see Hermaphroditus) and is possibly 1% of live births with some ambiguity.
An ambiguity that is often resolved by a surgeons scalpel,, and sex is assigned by whatever nebulous criteria the surgeon possesses.

1% of 300 million is quite a lot of people.

It is still bad law. But one size that fits all is a bad rule for anything.

Christian Liberty
08-02-2013, 06:13 PM
Abolish public schools!

parocks
08-02-2013, 06:51 PM
do you have a source for this assertion?

The assertion that A) wanting to have sex with someone of the same sex and B) thinking that you are of the opposite sex are different?

I suppose that you could lump both of these different things into one mental illness, but they certainly do seem different to me. 2 different mental illnesses, both could be lumped together into "extinctionary sex disorder", or some different name, I suppose.

LibForestPaul
08-02-2013, 06:55 PM
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/104171/starship_troopers_shower_scene/

parocks
08-02-2013, 07:24 PM
Because penises and vaginas are not objective ways of determining gender, right?

or chromosomes.

parocks
08-02-2013, 07:39 PM
I don't think people with homosexual attractions can help their attraction anymore than a straight man can help being attracted to boobs.

I don't think people who are crazy can just stop being crazy.

I don't think people who are depressed, bipolar, schizophrenic can just stop it. They're often given pills. In the case of SSRIs, people with deficiencies of l-tryptophan or some other inability to generate serotonin are given pills that shrink parts of the brain that take the serotonin in.

I guess you could just start experimenting on the gays, giving them pills and seeing which ones make the gay thoughts go away. Hard to test it first on mice. They often fail to answer questionnaires about the effect the drugs had on their gay thoughts.

parocks
08-02-2013, 08:04 PM
OK, then we are back to letting people do what they want particularly on so-called public property. Maybe they'll let hobos shower in the schools since nobody else does.

No I'm saying that there shouldn't be a California state law about this at all. (Or at least not that one). Let the school decide however they choose to decide. Let the crazy boy use the girls room, or not. And they shouldn't be able to be sued. Doesn't the ability of gays and transgenders to sue rely on statute? Gays and transgenders shouldn't be a protected class. They should be classified as mentally ill, if anything. Maybe they could be covered under the ADA as disabled? Mentally ill therefore disabled.

People with bipolar are said to go on spending sprees when they're manic. They shouldn't be FORCED to pay their bills. Bipolar is a natural condition that causes things that the people with bipolar just can't help. If you make them pay their bills, it's like blaming the victim, and it's bigotry. That's bs, but you get the point. That's what the gay and transgender arguments sound like to me.