Hong Kong to Snowden: Leave the city or face extradition to America

[tangent4ronpaul]

Spying row whistleblower Edward Snowden urged to leave Hong Kong
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article3787261.ece

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[kathy88]

Oh shit.

[tangent4ronpaul]

What countries have no extradition treaties with the US?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_countries_have_no_extradition_treaties_with_t he_US

Answer:
We will not list which Countries do not, but as of 2010, 110 Countries out of 192 or 194 have extradition with United States. So leaves bout 84 out there that so-called dont. Never seen list of counties that dont, although have seen many shows with guy`s fleeing to countrys that supposedly dont have, but still ended up being arrested. So not sure who really is out there.
Countries with diplomatic relations but no extradition treaty

The United States maintains diplomatic relations, but does not have extradition treaties with the following countries: Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central African Republic, Chad, China (People's Republic of China), the Union of the Comoros, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Cote d' Ivoire, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Jordan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Madagascar, the Maldives, Mali, the Marshall Islands, Mauritania, the Federated States of Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Qatar, the Russian Federation, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, Vanuatu, Vietnam, Yemen, and Zimbabwe.

Countries without treaties or diplomatic relations
If the government says you are anti-semitic or Nazi or enemy of the state as they claim they will come get you. But if you are Jewish and do something you are probably ok. I find it makes sense to move to another country, because in your own country you know good and bad elements. In a new country you will be aware and not do anything stupid. If you have nothing to lose I would suggest living other places with better taxes and cheaper food. The USA is finished as a decent country. It's so big and hard to get around the cities. Move to Europe and see beautiful cities.
The countries which have neither diplomatic relations nor extradition treaties with the U.S. are: Bhutan, Iran, Taiwan, and Korea (North).


How to Avoid Being Extradited to the US
http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-Being-Extradited-to-the-US

Extradition to the U.S. can be a real doozy. The "land of the free" is really a misnomer: just ask any of the millions of Americans incarcerated in our overcrowded facilities. Assuming that you have already crossed over to the dark side (that is, committed a felony) and are living abroad, here are some tips on prolonging your worldly adventures.

1 Cut ties to your former self. Change your name, start a new career, and don't call home. Ditch your bank and credit cards and don't even think about wire transfers. Electronic media and your presence on the internet must go. Make modifications to your appearance: especially things that would be featured on Interpol and wanted posters. You have to start over - from scratch - and relinquish who you used to be if you are going to beat Big Brother.
2
Plan your destination. The United States has no established extradition treaty or diplomatic relations with Bhutan, Cuba, Iran, and North Korea. This means that the U.S. has there hands tied (legally) if they want to bring you back. These would probably be your safest bets in terms of not being extradited back to the United States.
3
Plan a backup destination. Smuggling yourself into the previously mentioned countries is notoriously difficult. There are around 75 other countries with which the U.S. has no extradition treaties, however, thanks to their diplomatic ties with them, the U.S. could possibly nab you. This will take some additional research on your part to match up your indiscretions with the laws of potential countries and their extradition history with the U.S.
4
Pick the best fit. You're going to have to compromise, so pick a setting where you can best blend in. That means matching up your profile, skills, and knowledge with the cultures of other regions. Hit up Bahrain if you've got a great tan. If you have a knack for Mandarin: try China. And if you're into universal health care, give Russia a go.
5
Don't get sloppy. If you plan to remain free, it requires sacrifices. Don't confide in partners or stick around if the neighborhood gets shifty. You must maintain a level of alertness after the initial surge of adrenaline that you got you here subsides.
6
Plan for the next move. Pack a bag in the event that you have to leave right away and have a new destination planned out in advance. Research local modes of transportation and elect to travel via means with the least amount of security (e.g. cameras, bag checks, etc.).

Warnings

You do not have to be a U.S. citizen in order to be extradited to the United States. Certain provisions allow for the extradition of non-U.S. citizens.

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[Warlord]

Russia should have been his destination..

[Demigod]

Take a dual citizenship,that is the best bet to not get extradited except having lots of money to buy people off.


Russia should have been his destination..

They would extradite him as well.He is of no use,and a terrible expense because accepting him would mean spitting in the face of the USA so he is not worth it.He is not the kind of role model which either Russia or China would parade around.

If he had a Hungarian,Czech,Estonian,Polish,Latvian,Lithuanian ,Cyprus citizenship ( in 3 of this countries you can buy one for 150K ) he could have just revoked his USA citizenship and there is no way to extradite him ever.

[69360]

Cuba does extradite in some cases. The guy who took his kids and sailed there on a boat recently was extradited.

[rp08orbust]

I'm afraid a pardon from Rand Paul after 2016 is this guy's only hope.

[Constitutional Paulicy]

The countries which have neither diplomatic relations nor extradition treaties with the U.S. are: Bhutan, Iran, Taiwan, and Korea (North).
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I said it before in another thread. He could come here (Taiwan). Hell he could stay with me until he gets on his feet.

Note to self: Clear computer cache.

[rp08orbust]

I said it before in another thread. He could come here (Taiwan). Hell he could stay with me until he gets on his feet.

How does he get to Taiwan?

[Warlord]

Take a dual citizenship,that is the best bet to not get extradited except having lots of money to buy people off.



They would extradite him as well.He is of no use,and a terrible expense because accepting him would mean spitting in the face of the USA so he is not worth it.He is not the kind of role model which either Russia or China would parade around.

If he had a Hungarian,Czech,Estonian,Polish,Latvian,Lithuanian ,Cyprus citizenship ( in 3 of this countries you can buy one for 150K ) he could have just revoked his USA citizenship and there is no way to extradite him ever.

Some of those countries you listed would fall under the EU arrangements for extradition.

Northern Cyprus would probably be his best bet. I think it's impossible to get anyone from there.

[Constitutional Paulicy]

How does he get to Taiwan?

Hong Kong and Taiwan are a stones throw from each other. Many expats in Taiwan do visa runs every 90 days to Hong Kong. His working visa could be easily established through local schools teaching English as a second language and he could then avoid the need for visa runs.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Icelandic Legislator: I'm Ready To Help NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden Seek Asylum
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/06/09/icelandic-legislator-im-ready-to-help-nsa-whistleblower-seek-asylum/

When WikiLeaks burst onto the international stage in 2010, the small Nordic nation of Iceland offered it a safe haven. Now American whistleblower Edward Snowden may be seeking that country’s protection, and at least one member of its parliament says she’s ready to help.

On Sunday evening Icelandic member of parliament Birgitta Jonsdottir and Smari McCarthy, executive director of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative, issued a statement of support for Snowden, the Booz Allen Hamilton staffer who identified himself to the Guardian newspaper as the source of a series of top secret documents outlining the NSA’s massive surveillance of foreigners and Americans.

“Whereas IMMI is based in Iceland, and has worked on protections of privacy, furtherance of government transparency, and the protection of whistleblowers, we feel it is our duty to offer to assist and advise Mr. Snowden to the greatest of our ability,” their statement reads. “We are already working on detailing the legal protocols required to apply for asylum, and will over the course of the week be seeking a meeting with the newly appointed interior minister of Iceland, Mrs. Hanna Birna Kristjánsdóttir, to discuss whether an asylum request can be processed in a swift manner, should such an application be made.”

It’s not yet clear whether Snowden has officially applied for asylum in Iceland. A press contact for the Icelandic Ministry of Interior, which handles asylum requests, said that he hadn’t yet seen an application from Snowden and that the ministry couldn’t comment until one was received.

Snowden, who left his home in Hawaii in May and is taking refuge in a Hong Kong hotel, noted his interest in seeking asylum in Iceland in the Guardian’s interview, telling the newspaper that his ”predisposition is to seek asylum in a country with shared values, The nation that most encompasses this is Iceland,” he said. “They stood up for people over internet freedom.”

The 29-year-old intelligence analyst may have been referring to the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative, a group founded by Jonsdottir and McCarthy that has sought to strengthen Iceland’s protections for media outlets and whistleblowers. That project, which successfully passed a new source protection law in 2011, was propelled in part by Jonsdottir and McCarthy’s participation in WikiLeaks; Both Icelanders helped to publish the leaked Apache APA -1.25% helicopter video that revealed the killing of civilians and journalists in Baghdad in April 2010.

“Over the last few days we at the International Modern Media Institute have watched alongside the rest of the world as the US government’s enormous encroachments on privacy and information security have been exposed in the media,” Jonsdottir’s and McCarthy’s statement reads. “These exposures have verified our greatest fears about the state of global intelligence gathering, and yet again highlighted the need for strong privacy protections and government transparency.”

Snowden’s leaked revelations included a top secret order from the FBI sent to Verizon on behalf of the NSA, demanding the call records of every American customer of Verizon Business Network Services, a PowerPoint presentation on an NSA program known as PRISM that boasted of access to the data of Google GOOG +1.75%, Microsoft MSFT +2.06%, Facebook and others, an executive order from President Obama calling for the NSA to draw up a list of cyberattack targets.

Just how much the Icelandic group’s support can protect Snowden remains to be seen. Snowden’s first hurdle may be safely leaving Hong Kong, where he may yet be extradited to the United States. And even in Iceland, a recent election gave new power to the country’s conservative party. Jonsdottir, by contrast, is a member of the left-leaning Pirate Party.

Even WikiLeaks expressed doubts about the politics of its former home. “Snowden out of date on Iceland,” reads a message the group posted to Twitter Sunday afternoon. “New conservative government elected a month ago. Countries must step forward to offer Snowden asylum now.”

Read the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative’s full statement below.

http://htmlimg2.scribdassets.com/dbr9dqo5c2hrty2/images/1-71da039841.jpg

OK, that didn't work well. Click through to read the letter.

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[Demigod]

Some of those countries you listed would fall under the EU arrangements for extradition.

Northern Cyprus would probably be his best bet. I think it's impossible to get anyone from there.

All of those countries,as well as all European countries in general have a law that does not allow to extradite their citizens.Also the Czech and Hungarians are stubborn as hell.He would have a hell of a better chance than anywhere else.

Northern Cyprus is Turkey.I don't know how smart it is to hide from the USA in Turkey.

Southern American countries,Russia,China would all demand money or an angle they could use before they protect you.And the moment you run out of money you are done.Just look at what happened to all the Russians in the UK,they let them come into the country with their billions and now as they are almost out of money they are dropping dead one by one.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Take a dual citizenship,that is the best bet to not get extradited except having lots of money to buy people off.

If he had a Hungarian,Czech,Estonian,Polish,Latvian,Lithuanian ,Cyprus citizenship ( in 3 of this countries you can buy one for 150K ) he could have just revoked his USA citizenship and there is no way to extradite him ever.

Please elaborate...

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[Demigod]

Please elaborate...

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You buy a house,land or make an investment of generally more than 150K euros into some business ( in Latvia I know that it is 150K for sure,Hungary was 200K I think,for my country it is 250K ) and you get a citizenship of the country.No procedure,waiting or anything like that.Of course you must have a generally clean record to get the citizenship.If you are a criminal then a few more 100K would be needed to pay of the politicians depending on what you did.

Eastern European countries started this during the crisis to get money into their economies.Russians,Ukrainians,Arabs,Asians come buy some property to get the citizenship and keep it as a wild card if something goes bad back home.

Now for a 150K you could buy a middle size farm,or a big apartment in the capitols so you would not be just trowing the money away.

[tangent4ronpaul]

@wikileaks : Who does and who does not offer #Snowden asylum over the next week will reveal which countries are truly independent from US power.
http://inagist.com/all/343885181985370112/

@BerndKasperidus : #istandwithedwardsnowden because the USA is allready launching threats at sovereign countries if they give Snowden political asylum.

@davidfrum : Snowden + NSA We're seeing the GOP base & media turn "left" on national security issues, opening way for a credible Rand Paul 2016 campaign

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[tangent4ronpaul]

Iceland cannot grant asylum to Snowden unless he's there, ambassador says
http://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1257654/iceland-cannot-grant-asylum-snowden-unless-hes-there-ambassador-says

celand cannot grant US whisteblower Edward Snowden asylum as long as he is in Hong Kong, the country's ambassador to China has said.

"According to Icelandic law a person can only submit such an applications once he/she is in Iceland," Kristín Árnadóttir, the Icelandic ambassador in Beijing, told the South China Morning Post in an e-mailed statement.

"The Ministry of the Interior in Iceland deals with issues of this nature and handles applications for asylum," she wrote.

Snowden has expressed his hope to move to Iceland in an interview with The Guardian, published earlier on Monday. His wish to leave Hong Kong for Iceland comes at a time when the US National Security Agency is seeking a criminal investigation into his leaking of a secret eavesdropping programme by the US government.

The US can seek his extradition from Hong Kong on the basis of a 1997 treaty.

"My predisposition is to seek asylum in a country with shared values," he told the British daily. "The nation that most encompasses this is Iceland. They stood up for people over internet freedom. I have no idea what my future is going to be."

On Sunday, an Icelandic opposition member of parliament publicly called on the country's new interior minister to grant Snowden asylum.

"We are already working on detailing the legal protocols required to apply for asylum, and will over the course of the week be seeking a meeting with the newly appointed interior minister of Iceland, Mrs. Hanna Birna Kristjánsdóttir, to discuss whether an asylum request can be processed in a swift manner, should such an application be made,” Birgitta Jonsdottir of the Pirate Party said in a joint statement with Smari McCarthy, executive director of the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative.

The party entered the Icelandic parliament only earlier this year, holding three out of 63 seats.


Treaty gives Hong Kong option to reject Snowden extradition to the US
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1257639/treaty-gives-hong-kong-option-reject-snowden-extradition-us

Hong Kong could refuse to extradite US whistleblower Edward Snowden if Beijng wanted to keep him, according to a treaty signed between the United States and Hong Kong almost two decades ago.

Hong Kong has the "right of refusal when surrender implicates the 'defense, foreign affairs or essential public interest or policy'" of the People's Republic of China, according to the US-Hong Kong Extradition Treaty signed in 1997.

Snowden chose to seek refuge in Hong Kong because of the city's "strong tradition of free speech", he said in an interview with the Guardian published earlier today. He also said that he was concerned about being handed to mainland Chinese or US authorities.

The US justice deparment has initiated an investigation into his leaking of a secret US data gathering programme, that has collected records of trillions of online messages and phone calls over several years. US members of congress have already called for his extradition to the US to stand trial.

China does not have an extradition treaty with the United States.

According to notes on the treaty submitted to the US Senate, the Hong Kong negotiators had insisted on including clauses making it easily possible to deny extradition to the US, arguing that such a clause was essential in obtaining mainland Chinese approval for the treaty.

As such, article 3 of the treaty allows the Chinese government to refuse surrendering a person if it thought the surrender "relates to (its) defense, foreign affairs or essential public interest or policy".

Hong Kong can also refuse if the city or the mainalnd have begun proceedings for the prosecution of that person. Hong Kong can reject an application if the city felt that the request was "politically motivated" or that Snowden would be prosecuted for his political opinions.

Extradition requests can be made either through the US Consulate Generale in Hong Kong or Interpol, according to the treaty.

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[Warlord]

He needs to get on that plane to Iceland.

[Warlord]

Can the State Dept. suspend his passport? if so he's stuck.

[Warlord]

There's unlikely to be a direct flight to Iceland so he can be intercepted by INTERPOL when traveling via another country if they have arrest warrant for him.

I dont think he's thought this through... time will tell.

[tod evans]

Birgitta Jonsdottir of Iceland.......

Buy this lady a drink!

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Business/Pix/cartoon/2011/1/8/1294446675621/Birgitta-Jonsdottir-007.jpg

[tangent4ronpaul]

There's unlikely to be a direct flight to Iceland so he can be intercepted by INTERPOL when traveling via another country if they have arrest warrant for him.

I dont think he's thought this through... time will tell.

I'm not seeing any direct flights from HKG to KEF. The flights offered have layovers at HEL and ARN and both Finland and Sweden have extradition treaties with the US.

He could get a flight to a country without an extradition treaty and from there to Iceland.

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[donnay]

Birgitta Jonsdottir of Iceland.......

Buy this lady a drink!

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Business/Pix/cartoon/2011/1/8/1294446675621/Birgitta-Jonsdottir-007.jpg


She also helped Julian Assange.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBvH0dq-XOs

[angelatc]

Iceland has an embassy in Hong Kong: http://iceland.visahq.com/embassy/Hong-kong/

[tangent4ronpaul]

Iceland has an embassy in Hong Kong: http://iceland.visahq.com/embassy/Hong-kong/

Send um a IKEA gift certificate for a whole bedroom and do the Assange :)

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[Warlord]

Iceland has an embassy in Hong Kong: http://iceland.visahq.com/embassy/Hong-kong/

Yes but how does he escape? He can't.

If they cancel his passport he can't travel as they scan it before he boards a plane. If he can get to Iceland he has to travel via a third party country and can be nabbed by interpol

[EBounding]

Why didn't he go to Iceland in the first place? :confused:

[green73]

Fucking paywall. This is why nobody reads the Times.

Here's the independent on it. Snowden is a HS dropout? Good for him!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/prism-whistleblower-former-cia-worker-edward-snowden-told-to-leave-hong-kong-or-face-extradition-8651375.html

[limequat]

Someone mentioned that he may not actually be in Hong Kong. Seems like a really smart guy. Hopefully he's smart enough to keep himself alive and free a little while longer.

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

He should have hid at Ron Paul's crib.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Fucking paywall. This is why nobody reads the Times.

Here's the independent on it. Snowden is a HS dropout? Good for him!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/prism-whistleblower-former-cia-worker-edward-snowden-told-to-leave-hong-kong-or-face-extradition-8651375.html

Put the article title into google news, the redirect usually lets you in.

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[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

Americans should be ashamed of themselves if they allow this man to go to prison or be killed.

[HOLLYWOOD]

NE1 have the exchange on FOX BUSINESS with Judge Napolitano... they covered extradition, Iceland, rendering(aka state authorized kidnapping), etc... good segment.


BTW, Judge Nap & Charles Payne "overwhelmingly" also commented that "Snowden is a HERO on the Blogosphere" Judge Nap then mentioned how James Clapper lied under OATH to the Congressional committee. I posted that NSA director and CYBERCOM commander General Keith Alexander also committed perjury and lied to Congress under oath last year.

[Cap]

Someone mentioned that he may not actually be in Hong Kong. Seems like a really smart guy. Hopefully he's smart enough to keep himself alive and free a little while longer.That be me.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Someone mentioned that he may not actually be in Hong Kong. Seems like a really smart guy. Hopefully he's smart enough to keep himself alive and free a little while longer.Of course not, (I HOPE)... hopefully a pre-filmed segment with Glenn Greenwald, then also pay for an extended stay at the hotel which you have departed days ago.

Authorities are rushing to investigate every single piece of electronic and paper data that was accessed or available by/to Snowden. From there, they will assess the sensitive nature and possible damage, and possibly, are willing to be compromised to get Snowden or at least have the backing of the BS JUST-US system protect government's illegal/unconstitutional operations if revealed. Or they may let it go.

Always hold a better hand of cards... if you have evidence of illegal operations by the government, that gives you an advantage. If history repeats, it can be your life insurance policy to staying alive and free. Rewind to the 1940s-50s, when spies stole TOP SECRET nuclear data. The government has 2 hurdles it usually doesn't want to jump over, the first is any actions that would disclose very illegal/sensitive data. The 2nd is, they don't anyone knowing how they collect their data, how they spy or discover how they acquire/collected their information. There were additional spies who had stolen nuclear secrets during the 1940s-50s, which the government has never revealed, because it would of compromise their data collection operations/personnel/etc.

Hold those TRUMP cards, it's your last place of safety. Always remember that, when dealing with the US Government, you're dealing with sociopaths & psychopaths running the world's largest Organized Crime syndicate.

[supermario21]

Brazil has no extradition treaty with us. A woman murdered her husband in a neighboring city of mine and she fled to Brazil where she was originally from. No extradition there.

[angelatc]

Yes but how does he escape? He can't.

If they cancel his passport he can't travel as they scan it before he boards a plane. If he can get to Iceland he has to travel via a third party country and can be nabbed by interpol

I think he will be nabbed as soon as he sets foot out of his hotel room. But the Icelandic Embassy is, for diplomatic purposes, Icelandic soil.

[Demigod]

Brazil has no extradition treaty with us. A woman murdered her husband in a neighboring city of mine and she fled to Brazil where she was originally from. No extradition there.

The government does not care about some slave killing another slave unless the slave that died was of some importance.But if a slave decides to start telling all the other slaves that they are slaves and they should do something about it,then the master will deal with the problem with its full force.

[angelatc]

Fucking paywall. This is why nobody reads the Times.

Here's the independent on it. Snowden is a HS dropout? Good for him!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/prism-whistleblower-former-cia-worker-edward-snowden-told-to-leave-hong-kong-or-face-extradition-8651375.html

If you can hit the "stop" button sometimes you can get past the paywall. Only benefit of having an old slow computer, maybe.

[AdamT]

Americans should be ashamed of themselves if they allow this man to go to prison or be killed.

Unfortunately 3/4 of the population will be cheering for this, like it's a damn football or hockey game. You can't reason with zombies.

[Anti Federalist]

Can the State Dept. suspend his passport? if so he's stuck.

Yes.

That passport is, just as you are, property of the US government, subject to revocation at any time, for any reason.

(Well, not you, personally, since you are a Warlord in Tora Bora)

[Carlybee]

Unfortunately 3/4 of the population will be cheering for this, like it's a damn football or hockey game. You can't reason with zombies.

Yep and the ptb will hunt him down like a dog

[ghengis86]

Yes.

That passport is, just as you are, property of the US government, subject to revocation at any time, for any reason.

(Well, not you, personally, since you are a Warlord in Tora Bora)

yep; says so right inside the cover. property, slave, cattle...what difference does it make!!??!?!?!

[Anti Federalist]

Americans should be ashamed of themselves if they allow this man to go to prison or be killed.

Americans should be ashamed of a great deal.

Unfortunately, shame is a concept that is long dead here.

Just go look at your average Wal Marx.

[69360]

Why didn't he go to Iceland in the first place? :confused:

I don't understand that either.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Unfortunately 3/4 of the population will be cheering for this, like it's a damn football or hockey game. You can't reason with zombies.

I posted in another thread here that someone is tracking this on twitter. For every 1 person calling him a traitor, 30 people are calling him a hero.

I'm wondering where the outrage is? Maybe the shock hasn't worn off yet...

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[Carlybee]

Americans should be ashamed of a great deal.

Unfortunately, shame is a concept that is long dead here.

Just go look at your average Wal Marx.

Yep and until people start going after the corporate backers nothing changes. This is why I can no longer support the GOP as well...they are bought and paid for.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Unfortunately 3/4 of the population will be cheering for this, like it's a damn football or hockey game. You can't reason with zombies.CNN, FOX, etc have already started the marginalizing operations... repeatedly using those terms, "High School Dropout" "Medically discharged from the Army" "Fled to Hong Kong" "Possible Chinese Espionage Agent" "Compromised the safety of the United States"...

Standard Operating Procedures of corp. media-government propaganda... condition those zombies and sheeple listeners.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Americans should be ashamed of a great deal.

Unfortunately, shame is a concept that is long dead here.

Just go look at your average Wal Marx.

OK, you asked for it :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvxNgdFeWqM

We now return you to your regularly scheduled, dystopian police state nightmare...

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[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

Sad sad sad state of affairs we are not. That that any of this is shocking, as we all knew what the NSA would be doing. What is sad is the "shrug" you get from Americans who are finding out about it.

[zzzz8]

I'm not seeing any direct flights from HKG to KEF. The flights offered have layovers at HEL and ARN and both Finland and Sweden have extradition treaties with the US.

He could get a flight to a country without an extradition treaty and from there to Iceland.

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Hey Peter Thiel. If you really want to demonstrate and validate your libertarian beliefs (and somewhat demonstrate that you're not aligned with the other Bilderbergers), use some of your fortune and charter Mr. Snowden a Boeing 777-200LR to get him a direct flight from Hong Kong to Reykjavik. :)