Whistleblower of NSA spying reveals himself

[tsai3904]

Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

The 29-year-old source behind the biggest intelligence leak in US history explains his motives, his uncertain future and why he never intended on hiding in the shadows

The individual responsible for one of the most significant leaks in US political history is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. Snowden has been working at the National Security Agency for the last four years as an employee of various outside contractors, including Booz Allen and Dell.

The Guardian, after several days of interviews, is revealing his identity at his request. From the moment he decided to disclose numerous top-secret documents to the public, he was determined not to opt for the protection of anonymity. "I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong," he said.

Snowden will go down in history as one of America's most consequential whistleblowers, alongside Daniel Ellsberg and Bradley Manning. He is responsible for handing over material from one of the world's most secretive organisations – the NSA.

In a note accompanying the first set of documents he provided, he wrote: "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."


More:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

[Warlord]

oH
My

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance


Drama!

[angelatc]

"I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."

This made me cry.

[Kotin]

what a badass.

[angelatc]

"The only thing I fear is the harmful effects on my family, who I won't be able to help any more. That's what keeps me up at night," he said, his eyes welling up with tears.

Crying again.

[ghengis86]

Wow...he'll need to being a cot to put in Julian's room in th Ecudorian embassy.

[kcchiefs6465]

The NSA has requested that the Justice Department open a criminal investigation into the leaks.

They will get their request.

Hopefully this man knows what he is doing and the whistle blower laws that are supposed to protect him.

May end up going the route of John Kirakou. They are pissed.

[kcchiefs6465]

God bless him.

[juleswin]

What a brave man. I hope we all work to change govt behaviour so his sacrifice will not be in vain.

[Warlord]

A PATRIOT....

Now watch the vicious thugs destroy him

[angelatc]

A PATRIOT....

Now watch the vicious thugs destroy him


They won't go easy on him, that's for sure. He's a brave man.

[Antischism]

This man is a hero.

[FSP-Rebel]

http://i44.tinypic.com/2w3yoo0.jpg

[sailingaway]

"I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong"

You go, Edward!

--

edit, although, if he is at a defense contractor, he may well have signed contracts on confidentiality he isn't remembering at the moment. I don't know if he learned about this there or somewhere else, though. This is such a huge story though that we all knew from other things media ignored, that maybe as with Ellsberg, it will be too politically toxic to go after him

[Lucille]

This made me cry.


Crying again.

Me too. We are forever in his debt.

[liberty2897]

More:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

Mr. Snowden, You just became an incredible hero. I don't even know the words to express this properly. I hope your suffering will be minimal.

[sailingaway]

He has had "a very comfortable life" that included a salary of roughly $200,000, a girlfriend with whom he shared a home in Hawaii, a stable career, and a family he loves. "I'm willing to sacrifice all of that because I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building."

I wonder who he voted for in 2012?

[mad cow]

A very brave man,they will throw the book at him and he knows it.He will be in prison soon.

Thank you for your sacrifice,I am humbled.

[sailingaway]

twitter is fun on this issue:

Alex V ‏@SashaAVA now
When will Obama listen to the people? Well, technically he has been for a while #NSA #tcot #tlot #p2

[puppetmaster]

Do we stand in support or let him hang.......

OR

Is this controlled opposition?

[green73]

Who ever did the merge deleted the comments...

[Warlord]

. "Any analyst at any time can target anyone," he said. "I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authority to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if I had a personal e-mail."

[Anti Federalist]

God bless him.

God save him.

I'm assuming he had no further information, otherwise he showed himself way too soon.

The System will now try to crucify this man.

Kotin is goddamned right, that is selfless badassery the likes of which any man could only hope to aspire to one tenth of.

I will prepare to do anything in my power, including financial donations, to help this man, assuming he just doesn't get whisked off in one of Creedy's "black bags".

[Anti Federalist]

This made me cry.


Crying again.

You and me both...damn it.

[tsai3904]

I wonder who he voted for in 2012?

Most likely Ron Paul. He contributed to him in 2012.

http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?12952514893

http://i40.tinypic.com/2q1845c.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

He has had "a very comfortable life" that included a salary of roughly $200,000, a girlfriend with whom he shared a home in Hawaii, a stable career, and a family he loves. "I'm willing to sacrifice all of that because I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building."

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcz617rSy01r38j04o1_500.gif

http://d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net/images/cm-29490-050938f1f39e78.gif

http://mematic.com/_/gifs/applause/applause-gif-3.gif

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/760/085/applause-gif-tumblr-47_original.gif?1363040789

[green73]

Most likely Ron Paul. He contributed to him in 2012.

http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?12952514893


Nice find!

[CaptUSA]

Nice find!

Yeah, no kidding!! I'm proud of the awake ones! Make no mistake... We ARE the army that takes down the tyranny!

I only wish I will have a fraction of the opportunity this man had!

[Warlord]

RON PAUL !!!

Although in his interview he hasn't mentioned the constitutional angle.

[Anti Federalist]

Most likely Ron Paul. He contributed to him in 2012.

http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?12952514893


Nice find!

No shit.

This entire community needs to, in one voice, come to the aid and support of this man, now, with no equivocation.

[mad cow]

Most likely Ron Paul. He contributed to him in 2012.

http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?12952514893

Well,he already was a hero,now he's our hero.

[Anti Federalist]

A PATRIOT....

Now watch the vicious thugs destroy him

Whether that happens or not, to a large degree, now depends on us.

[Warlord]

Whether that happens or not, to a large degree, now depends on us.

Lets ask Bryan for an Edward subforum!

[enhanced_deficit]

Should have been posted here:

An invoice for $310 was received by employer of the whistle blower back in 2011:




Anonymous Charges Booz Allen $310 for Hacking Their Email

HBGary Federal was just one of several companies involved in proposing software solutions for this project. Another company involved was Booz Allen Hamilton. Anonymous has been investigating them for some time, and has uncovered all sorts of other shady practices by the company, including potentially illegal surveillance systems, corruption between company and government officials, warrantless wiretapping, and several other questionable surveillance projects. All of this, of course, taking place behind closed doors, free from any public knowledge or scrutiny.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2011/07/anonymous-charges-booz-allen-310-hacking-their-email/39834/

[liberty2897]

Whether that happens or not, to a large degree, now depends on us.

I am still stunned at what this man just sacrificed. I am prepared to come to his aid in whatever way I possibly can. I hope we all are.

[Anti Federalist]

Lets ask Bryan for an Edward subforum!

However it's done, and not just RPF of course, but the entire "liberty movement" or whatever you want to call all of us.

This man needs the full and unwavering support of every individual and organization that is part of this "movement".

[green73]

toob


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM

[tangent4ronpaul]

But after the intense political controversy he has already created with just the first week's haul of stories, "I feel satisfied that this was all worth it. I have no regrets."

This sounds like there are going to be a couple more blockbusters this next week...

How deep does this rabbit hole go?

-t

[Anti Federalist]

I am still stunned at what this man just sacrificed. I am prepared to come to his aid in whatever way I possibly can. I hope we all are.

My God, you and me both.

I am alternating between extreme emotions right now: amazement at the stones this man had, fury at the system: for I know what lays in store for him, and shame at my own petty efforts.

I feel like Fredrick Douglass commenting on John Brown:

"John Brown's zeal in the cause of freedom was infinitely superior to mine. Mine was as the taper light; his was as the burning sun. I could live for the slave; John Brown could die for him."

[tod evans]

My respect!

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Most likely Ron Paul. He contributed to him in 2012.

http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?12952514893

http://i40.tinypic.com/2q1845c.jpg


It seems a security agency would know this and purge him. Shit's getting "interesting."

[UWDude]

Debunker: You can't have big conspiracies, because eventually someone will speak up!
CTer: I know, huh?



BTW: we are all Snowden now, huh?

[afwjam]

I respect this man greatly and will help to support him however I can.

[UWDude]

Also, who introduced this man to the concepts of liberty? Some of it was personal experience and disillusion, but somewhere, someone had to help him put things into context. We may only be 5% of America at best, but that is still 15 million people, and it only takes ones to open the right man's eyes... ...and now he has opened the eyes of millions more.

[EBounding]

toob


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM

Wow.....WOW....I pray there are others with the same character as this man that will speak up. I suspect he's one in a million though....

[UWDude]

God damn... ..and three days ago I had lost faith in humanity.

[ravedown]

snowden labelled a racist in 3..2...1

[kcchiefs6465]

Also, who introduced this man to the concepts of liberty? Some of it was personal experience and disillusion, but somewhere, someone had to help him put things into context. We may only be 5% of America at best, but that is still 15 million people, and it only takes ones to open the right man's eyes... ...and now he has opened the eyes of millions more.
Probably found out about Ron Paul through the internet. Ron Paul's presence is on quite a few sites.

Same way I did. "Google Ron Paul"

The way the MSM ignored and marginalized him also helped to open my eyes.

Sad to say but many people have already forgotten about Bradley Manning or post ridiculous nonsense about the 'contract he violated.' Even here. It is a damn shame and I hope Americans don't forget about this man as quickly as they forgot about the rest.

I expect more from people here but I don't know. Six months down the line or a year later some dipshit is going to say something about contracts and that he violated the trust of his employer. I hope not.

[Warlord]

If Greenwald can set something up i'd have no problem throwing back his Ron Paul donation and if we all did it he'd be set for a few weeks in his hotel.

I suspect he's running low on savings and whatever.

[FallOfTheWest]

What a cool dude

[nbruno322]

Let's hope he stays safe in Hong Kong. He is actually probably more safe if he would move to mainland China until he gets asylum in some country. Right now he appears to be aiming for Iceland.

[Elias Graves]

Mr Snowdon has earned himself a spot amongst the great Defenders of Liberty. Such cojones!
It sickens me that it's come to this.

[CaptUSA]

Damn. I just can't get over this. This guy is amazing. You can see the fear in his eyes of what may happen to him, but he's going ahead anyway. What a brave soul.


“Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.”

[zzzz8]

If Greenwald can set something up i'd have no problem throwing back his Ron Paul donation and if we all did it he'd be set for a few weeks in his hotel.

I suspect he's running low on savings and whatever.

Yep, we need (or someone with the knowledge and expertise) to set up a "survival" and legal defense fund for Edward ASAP! I know we'd all be glad to contribute right away.

[Warlord]

Yep, we need (or someone with the knowledge and expertise) to set up a "survival" and legal defense fund for Edward ASAP! I know we'd all be glad to contribute right away.

Only the journalists or his contacts can ensure the money gets to him... i guess... or his wife?

[angelatc]

This is what a hero looks like, America:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMWFqrhCMAESnpZ.jpg:large

[Brian4Liberty]

toob


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM

Very articulate guy. Should help him a bit.

[EBounding]

Would we have the same courage as this man? I'm still asking myself that question. I sure hope I would...

[mad cow]

Probably found out about Ron Paul through the internet. Ron Paul's presence is on quite a few sites.

Same way I did. "Google Ron Paul"

The way the MSM ignored and marginalized him also helped to open my eyes.

Sad to say but many people have already forgotten about Bradley Manning or post ridiculous nonsense about the 'contract he violated.' Even here. It is a damn shame and I hope Americans don't forget about this man as quickly as they forgot about the rest.

I expect more from people here but I don't know. Six months down the line or a year later some dipshit is going to say something about contracts and that he violated the trust of his employer. I hope not.

He absolutely violated contracts with his employer.That is why there was risk involved,that is why he is going to prison, that is why he is such a hero.

Name somebody who can be legitimately called a hero who did not risk his life,liberty or property in defense of something he deems greater than his personal life liberty or property.

[twomp]

Absolute badass! He just put a bulls eye on his head. I'm sure Chinese Intelligence Officials have probably paid him a visit by now. I hope Amash, Rand Paul and some of the others in Washington are keeping an eye on this and ensure that nothing "happens" to this man. Absolutely amazing. Patriot!

[Brian4Liberty]

One of the questions Greenwald asked is "would the information be valuable to other governments" (paraphrased)? Of course it would be interesting to them. Knowing who talks to who on the phone is very valuable information from a political perspective. Which is the same reason that it is a power that is destined to be abused by any government. The IRS has been used for political purposes. No number of talking heads and former officials that are paraded on the Sunday morning talk shows can propagandize away the fact that this type of power will be abused. Denials from professional liars are not convincing.

[Varin]

A true hero.

[tangent4ronpaul]

He has a GF, not a wife. He lied to her before he split.

Was just looking at some HK newspapers, only one of them mention PRISM and in international news. None mentioned the leaker is living in HK. I have to wonder if he is actually in HK...

-t

[Warlord]

He has a GF, not a wife. He lied to her before he split.

Was just looking at some HK newspapers, only one of them mention PRISM and in international news. None mentioned the leaker is living in HK. I have to wonder if he is actually in HK...

-t

Oh damn... that makes it harder... maybe his parents then. Only Greenwald and the journalists who have his contacts can set it up and make sure the $$$ goes his way.

Of course i'm sure the govt would try and shut it down too .

[Elias Graves]

I think I saw him at 7-11 just now.

[MelissaWV]

He has a GF, not a wife. He lied to her before he split.

Was just looking at some HK newspapers, only one of them mention PRISM and in international news. None mentioned the leaker is living in HK. I have to wonder if he is actually in HK...

-t

So he's available :eek:

[tangent4ronpaul]

I found it very interesting that he said he could tap anyone, even the president if he knew his private e-mail....

Can you imagine being a fly on the wall in Bernanke's office?

How about having all the calls and e-mails that came out of Israels NYC embassy the month before 9/11?

...

-t

[CaptUSA]

I can't stop watching that interview. This man is restoring my faith in humanity.

[twomp]

It's pretty smart of him to come out with his side of the story before our government gets a chance to demonize him with their propaganda machine.

[Varin]

WH petition.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snowden/Dp03vGYD

[tangent4ronpaul]

As to connections - probably the filmmaker.

They said they did several hours of tape, I expect there is a lot more yet to be released.

For all those wanting to help him financially, I'd like to point out 2 things: He was making 200K a year. He's doing pretty well. Secondly, he's no doubt by now been declared a "terrorist", and I'm sure you all know what the penalties are for providing material support to "terrorists" is...

-t

[Brian4Liberty]

edit, although, if he is at a defense contractor, he may well have signed contracts on confidentiality he isn't remembering at the moment. I don't know if he learned about this there or somewhere else, though. This is such a huge story though that we all knew from other things media ignored, that maybe as with Ellsberg, it will be too politically toxic to go after him


He absolutely violated contracts with his employer.That is why there was risk involved,that is why he is going to prison, that is why he is such a hero.


This will be a hell of a legal battle. Pretty much all whistle blowers are violating employment agreements. That is a pretty standard situation. It's a conflict between that and whistleblower protection laws.

Public opinion and Congress will have some say in this case. He may have been better off testifying before Congress as a whistleblower. No doubt he looked at his options though. He doesn't seem the type to act without some forethought.

[ravedown]

saying he had access to anyone private e-mails...hmmm, wondering if he kept any important emails from very important people before he blew the whistle as insurance?

[kcchiefs6465]

He absolutely violated contracts with his employer.That is why there was risk involved,that is why he is going to prison, that is why he is such a hero.

Name somebody who can be legitimately called a hero who did not risk his life,liberty or property in defense of something he deems greater than his personal life liberty or property.
I was more referring to the people who will come forward and say that they don't agree with him and that he should go to prison because he violated a contract. I saw a few posts stating as much referring to Bradley Manning.

[twomp]

Here is a link to more of the Q&A if you are like me and can't stop reading about this.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-why

[Elias Graves]

He took the only approach he could...public disclosure. There'd be no hiding from this group.
My heart weeps for my country.

[twomp]

Q: How to you feel now, almost a week after the first leak?

A: "I think the sense of outrage that has been expressed is justified. It has given me hope that, no matter what happens to me, the outcome will be positive for America. I do not expect to see home again, though that is what I want."

damn!

[TheTexan]

I'm not sure if a contract that says "you shall not report crimes witnessed during the course of your employment" is a valid contract.

[Elias Graves]

I'm not sure if a contract that says "you shall not report crimes witnessed during the course of your employment" is a valid contract.

I was just following orders, man!

Seriously, we should encourage more lovers of liberty inside the government to come forward and tell their stories.

[Cap]

I do not expect to see home again, though that is what I want A modern day Patrick Henry.

"Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death!"

[Anti Federalist]

For all those wanting to help him financially, I'd like to point out 2 things: He was making 200K a year. He's doing pretty well. Secondly, he's no doubt by now been declared a "terrorist", and I'm sure you all know what the penalties are for providing material support to "terrorists" is...

-t

Fuck that.

The system can destroy billionaires overnight.

$200k yearly salary will dry up overnight when the system turns on you.

Second:

Fuck them.

I don't care what they "declare" this man.

I may not be willing to plaster my name all over FarceBook but I'll damn sure tell this system to kiss my ass when I support this man any way I can.

[S.Shorland]

Assange worked with the mainstream press and got shafted

[HOLLYWOOD]

One of the questions Greenwald asked is "would the information be valuable to other governments" (paraphrased)? Of course it would be interesting to them. Knowing who talks to who on the phone is very valuable information from a political perspective. Which is the same reason that it is a power that is destined to be abused by any government. The IRS has been used for political purposes. No number of talking heads and former officials that are paraded on the Sunday morning talk shows can propagandize away the fact that this type of power will be abused. Denials from professional liars are not convincing.The problem with these elitist/One World Government... how do you know whether or not, spying on each country's citizenship hasn't already been shared between these governments? G7/G8/G20, Jackson Hole conferences, the international banksters, wealth/elitist orgs, their puppet prostitutes in government at all levels, NEOFASCISM, on & on. All those internationalist meetings behind closed/locked doors, protected by a slew of police and military armies...

I have seen much more sensitive information shared between governments that have quite different ideologies and some are even arch enemies, yet still share highly sensitive info. I have few doubts the US government hasn't already shared some of these eavesdropping technologies (to be used by their buddy & puppet governments/dictators and even some false opposition governments) on their very own people/citizenry/companies/businesses.

US TELCOS sold 'We The People' OUT, even when they all knew it was illegal, the US government gave TELCOs RETROACTIVE IMMUNITY... I mean a Big WTF?

That ended last hopes of 'Rule Of Law' and the US Constitution protecting the people. Absolutely disgusting what the US government has done to the people of this nation and their operations around the world.

[Anti Federalist]

I was more referring to the people who will come forward and say that they don't agree with him and that he should go to prison because he violated a contract. I saw a few posts stating as much referring to Bradley Manning.

A contract with evil is non binding on a free man with a soul.

Fuck them and their contracts.

Hope they fucking choke on a "non disclosure" form.

[Varin]

An unjust law is no law at all.

Augustine of Hippo

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I have seen much more sensitive information shared between governments that have quite different ideologies and some are even arch enemies, yet still share highly info. I have few doubts the US government hasn't already shared all these eavesdropping technologies to be used by their buddy & puppet governments/dictators and even some false opposition governments on their very own people/citizenry/companies/businesses.


If they'd like to have a world reach, not content with their own little farm, then YES. It must be hard to argue that the US government doesn't want to have a world reach.

[Reason]

boom

[Anti Federalist]

Let it not be said we did nothing.

[Warlord]

200k/year he only worked for them for 3 months so he might not have much in savings and Warlord knows that HK hotels are hundreds a night. His cash will go quickly with hotel bills since May 20th, food etc.

[cajuncocoa]

Wow....God bless him for his courage. I will help any way I can too.

[Anti Federalist]

200k/year he only worked for them for 3 months so he might not have much in savings and Warlord knows that HK hotels are hundreds a night. His cash will go quickly with hotel bills since May 20th, food etc.

Any savings in fiat scrip, in any bank, in any country in the world is already frozen, drained or both.

Any real property of his, outside of that, will be in the system's hands by Monday afternoon.

By the middle of next week any US documents will be red flagged and void.

By the end of next week he will living on whatever he has squirreled away on hand and surviving in the grid on whatever foreign documents he may have.

[Reason]

Let it not be said we did nothing.

I am sitting here in awe at the courage of this mans actions.

I am currently at an IHS libertarian seminar in Orange, CA with over 50 other liberty loving individuals, all talking about this.

Inspiring to think that this young man could have been influenced to go through with this due to indirect influence from listening to Ron Paul.

Let us never underestimate the impact we can make simply as individuals.

[Occam's Banana]

For all those wanting to help him financially, I'd like to point out 2 things: He was making 200K a year. He's doing pretty well. Secondly, he's no doubt by now been declared a "terrorist", and I'm sure you all know what the penalties are for providing material support to "terrorists" is...


Fuck that.

The system can destroy billionaires overnight.

$200k yearly salary will dry up overnight when the system turns on you.

Exactly. Three words: Assets. Frozen. Siezure.

Mix 'n match. 'Nuff said.

[Occam's Banana]

A modern day Patrick Henry.

"Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death!"

Actually, a modern-day Patrick H. would have to say, "Give me liberty or give me extraordinary rendition!"

[otherone]

PLEASE REMOVE HIS ADDRESS FROM THIS PUBLIC FORUM.

[angelatc]

PLEASE REMOVE HIS ADDRESS FROM THIS PUBLIC FORUM.

He's not living there any more. :)

[pcosmar]

PLEASE REMOVE HIS ADDRESS FROM THIS PUBLIC FORUM.

Pretty sure "They" already know. ;)

[otherone]

Pretty sure "They" already know. ;)

lol.
No need to create a "lone gunman" scenario for "them", though.
"They" probably know your address and mine as well...doesn't mean I'd want it posted here....

[Warlord]

If he's a Ron Paul supporter he probably has gold coins so lets hope he thought this through and I'm sure he has taken other steps

[UWDude]

I think I should sue Verizon for all my money back that I paid to them since I became a subscriber. I didn't agree to this on any form when I signed the dotted line. Let's get the world's greatest class-action going.

We'll be rich, and punish the shit out of the collaborators.

C'mon lawyers, you know this is a tasty treat! Bloody, bloody meat in the salt water!

[Reason]

Email just sent to my congressman Duncan Hunter (San Diego):

The NSA and every other element of the surveillance state is completely out of control.

You know this.

It was out of control before you came to office.

Rand Paul will be taking up the good fight on this issue.

I request that you join him.

You know what you need to do.

Edward Snowden sacrificed everything.

What are you going to do?

[tangent4ronpaul]

He's not living there any more. :)

But he was living there together w/ his GF so she might still be.

-t

[enhanced_deficit]

This guy appears to be a real specimen of bold men.

Looking at sudden rise in his popularity just from various online comments, he is going to become pretty famous. People are lining up to name their sons after him and babes are offering to be his lovers. This observation just from few minutes of google search of his name, wonder what it would be like days from today.

[Cap]

He sounds very astute, leading me to think he hasn't played all of his cards yet. I'm thinking he has a plan "B" as well as "C" and "D". The thing is, with him getting his story out there first, he has given himself instant credibility. This is a huge butt hurt with no Vaseline in sight for TPTB.

[Warlord]

He sounds very astute, leading me to think he hasn't played all of his cards yet. I'm thinking he has a plan "B" as well as "C" and "D". The thing is, with him getting his story out there first, he has given himself instant credibility. This is a huge butt hurt with no Vaseline in sight for TPTB.

If it was me i'd have an encrypted drive with more stuff on to bargain with the chinese but he doesn't seem like that.

SCREW THE FEDS!

[UWDude]

He sounds very astute, leading me to think he hasn't played all of his cards yet. I'm thinking he has a plan "B" as well as "C" and "D". The thing is, with him getting his story out there first, he has given himself instant credibility. This is a huge butt hurt with no Vaseline in sight for TPTB.

This sounds like the exact thing someone said about Chris Dorner....

for real, verbatum. On this forum. :/

[georgiaboy]

my turn to cry.
His greatest fear is that nothing will be done to change this.
He did not fear most for his or his family and friends own lives.
He feared for the lives of every free human.
He is a hero of the highest order and worthy of my eternal gratitude.
Edward Snowden. I'll remember that name forever.



toob


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM

[tangent4ronpaul]

This sounds like the exact thing someone said about Chris Dorner....

for real, verbatum. On this forum. :/

Dorner's plans got screwed when his axle broke and he went over a hill straight into a tree. From then on, it was survival mode.

-t

[otherone]

Looking at sudden rise in his popularity just from various online comments, he is going to become pretty famous. People are lining up to name their sons after him and babes are offering to be his lovers. This observation just from few minutes of google search of his name, wonder what it would be like days from today.

Things will all change when all of that child porn is discovered on his hard drive (somehow). You think they'll allow us a proper martyr?

[Cap]

This sounds like the exact thing someone said about Chris Dorner....

for real, verbatum. On this forum. :/Let's hope it doesn't turn out that way.

[Reason]

It will be very very very important how this plays out...

If this story disappears slowly from the news cycle the way most normal news stories do, it will give the government a blank check of approval, there won't be anything else to leak.

Scary.

[otherone]

Would love to see the Judge defend him in a very public trial....

[enhanced_deficit]

Do we stand in support or let him hang.......

OR

Is this controlled opposition?

He seems like the real deal.

[Cap]

Would love to see the Judge defend him in a very public trial.... What a great idea!!

[twomp]

https://twitter.com/FredericJacobs/status/343866272838213633/photo/1

[twomp]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMWojaNCYAAobJS.jpg:large

[Carson]

He just took some pressure off of Julian Assange.

The more that step forward make each of us a little stronger and safer. There are still people willing to stand up what's right.

[enhanced_deficit]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMWojaNCYAAobJS.jpg:large


Dots are starting to get connected now from Hawaii to Utah. Original Wired 2012 report excerpts:

Shady Companies With Ties to Israel Wiretap the U.S. for the NSA
By James Bamford (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/author/james-bamford/) 04.03.12
Army General Keith Alexander, the director of the NSA, is having a busy year — hopping around the country, cutting ribbons at secret bases and bringing to life the agency’s greatly expanded eavesdropping network.
In January he dedicated the new $358 million CAPT Joseph J. Rochefort Building at NSA Hawaii, and in March he unveiled the 604,000-square-foot John Whitelaw Building at NSA Georgia.

Designed to house about 4,000 earphone-clad intercept operators, analysts and other specialists, many of them employed by private contractors, it will have a 2,800-square-foot fitness center open 24/7, 47 conference rooms and VTCs, and “22 caves,” according to an NSA brochure from the event. No television news cameras were allowed within two miles of the ceremony.

The climax, however, will be the opening next year of the NSA’s mammoth 1-million-square-foot, $2 billion Utah Data Center. The centerpiece in the agency’s decade-long building boom, it will be the “cloud” where the trillions of millions of intercepted phone calls, e-mails, and data trails will reside, to be scrutinized by distant analysts over highly encrypted fiber-optic links.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/04/shady-companies-nsa/all/1

[pcosmar]

lol.
No need to create a "lone gunman" scenario for "them", though.
"They" probably know your address and mine as well...doesn't mean I'd want it posted here....

I have posted my address,,SSN and real name.. as well as Background Check.
I am sure there are files that I haven't seen. (I've seen some)

Screw em..
I ain't hiding from anyone. If they make me have to hide,, the whole set of rules change. ;)

[Carson]

I think I should sue Verizon for all my money back that I paid to them since I became a subscriber. I didn't agree to this on any form when I signed the dotted line. Let's get the world's greatest class-action going.

We'll be rich, and punish the shit out of the collaborators.

C'mon lawyers, you know this is a tasty treat! Bloody, bloody meat in the salt water!


The fine for doing what they did was about $10,000.00 per incidence or something like that. Times that, times each time, for each one of everyone, and it adds up to a giant world wide retirement party.

[Carson]

my turn to cry.
His greatest fear is that nothing will be done to change this.
He did not fear most for his or his family and friends own lives.
He feared for the lives of every free human.
He is a hero of the highest order and worthy of my eternal gratitude.
Edward Snowden. I'll remember that name forever.

Until we are able to regain control of the currency there isn't much that can be done. Right now if we spent all of our hard earned cash to correct this one injustice they could fire up the fake money presses and print up what ever it took to get their way...

and stiff us with the bill.

[Carson]

Anyone else notice we as a people seem to be being herded into a world of non verbal communication and everyone is pecking out their most inner most thoughts to each other on some sort of key pad.

Will we all end up communicating like prisoners on phones through a piece of glass so it can all be taken down and held against you?

[CaptUSA]

The attacks against this hero are ratcheting up. Make sure that everyone knows the truth.

If someone is attcking this guy for telling Americans what our country has been doing to us, THEY are the ones you have to worrying about.

[Warlord]

Shut it

DOWN
!

[liberty2897]

200k/year he only worked for them for 3 months so he might not have much in savings and Warlord knows that HK hotels are hundreds a night. His cash will go quickly with hotel bills since May 20th, food etc.

I see that at least one article is reporting that he has only worked for them for 3 months, but failed to mention that he worked for NSA for four years before that, and CIA before that. I just wanted to point that out, so that some don't get the idea that he very little experience. I'm pretty sure the media will be working overtime to discredit him with these little tricks of theirs.

[CaptUSA]

Did I just hear he's defecting? I may have misheard.

[tangent4ronpaul]

The attacks against this hero are ratcheting up. Make sure that everyone knows the truth.

If someone is attcking this guy for telling Americans what our country has been doing to us, THEY are the ones you have to worrying about.

Some army guy was just on FOX trying to slander his character and implying that there was something wrong with him for breaking both of his legs in mil training.

Predictable... :rolleyes:

-t

[WM_in_MO]

We got a tube for these attacks?

[freejack]

Sorry I didn't read all the posts in this thread but I just watched this guy's interview and couldn't help but cry. He's a true patriot in every sense of the word. This is what heroism looks like the 21st century.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

The fine for doing what they did was about $10,000.00 per incidence or something like that. Times that, times each time, for each one of everyone, and it adds up to a giant world wide retirement party.


Actually, that route only leads to an inflation party. Besides, a lot of congress is probably talking about retroactive immunity as we type. Then they'll keep doing the same thing.

[Reason]

Sorry I didn't read all the posts in this thread but I just watched this guy's interview and couldn't help but cry. He's a true patriot in every sense of the word. This is what heroism looks like the 21st century.

Agreed.

[Reason]

Anyone else notice we as a people seem to be being herded into a world of non verbal communication and everyone is pecking out their most inner most thoughts to each other on some sort of key pad.

Will we all end up communicating like prisoners so it can all be taken down and held against you?

You have been flagged as a critical thinker.

[HOLLYWOOD]

This guy is absolute a hero... Balls the size of church bells. More than so many with such privilege terrible information, for him to step forward and save the US Constitution and American people.

I'm sure there are "ALL HANDS MEETINGS" going on across the globe by MIC corporations and Government dept./institutions warning all of the penalties in disclosing sensitive , illegal material. This is why there is such distaste for these lying politicians, they do, they know, but continue to lie on all fronts, they use their coordinated media/connections/contacts to reinforce their agendas and criminal policies, spewing propaganda at every corner of the airwaves/social media.

Be prepared for and help to counter the Tsunami of propaganda being refined and fired out by government and their partner's in crime, Fascist corporate media.

[freejack]

You have been flagged as a critical thinker.

Critical thinking is ungood, doubleplus bad even.

[Anti Federalist]

Shut it

DOWN
!


The climax, however, will be the opening next year of the NSA’s mammoth 1-million-square-foot, $2 billion Utah Data Center. The centerpiece in the agency’s decade-long building boom, it will be the “cloud” where the trillions of millions of intercepted phone calls, e-mails, and data trails will reside, to be scrutinized by distant analysts over highly encrypted fiber-optic links.

Warlord is correct.

SHUT IT THE FUCK DOWN, NOW!

[ItsTime]

They, the government, wont shut it down.

[liberty2897]

Yes. This will likely be our last chance. If we, as a people, let these new (for many) revelations be swept away with our usual apathetic response, then we will loose forever. This incredible person was willing to sacrifice his family, friends, reputation, wealth, and comfort of home to give us a fighting chance against complete tyranny. Lets not blow it.

SHUT IT THE FUCK DOWN NOW!

[UWDude]

Things will all change when all of that child porn is discovered on his hard drive (somehow). You think they'll allow us a proper martyr?

July4patriot aka Charles Dyer

[UWDude]

Anyone else notice we as a people seem to be being herded into a world of non verbal communication and everyone is pecking out their most inner most thoughts to each other on some sort of key pad.

Will we all end up communicating like prisoners so it can all be taken down and held against you?

What do you think occupy was about?
It was about building a space where people can talk face to face, and not be monitored.
It's still part of the first: the right of the people to peaceably assemble is about more than protest.

[angelatc]

Some army guy was just on FOX trying to slander his character and implying that there was something wrong with him for breaking both of his legs in mil training.

Predictable... :rolleyes:

-t
Andy Levy acknowledged I was alive today when I asked him how long it would be before Fox started calling him a traitor. He said "Yawn." Looks like the correct answer was 2.3 hours.

[ClydeCoulter]

WH petition.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snowden/Dp03vGYD

Thanks, signed.

[ClydeCoulter]

This guy is absolute a hero... Balls the size of church bells. More than so many with such privilege terrible information, for him to step forward and save the US Constitution and American people.

I'm sure there are "ALL HANDS MEETINGS" going on across the globe by MIC corporations and Government dept./institutions warning all of the penalties in disclosing sensitive , illegal material. This is why there is such distaste for these lying politicians, they do, they know, but continue to lie on all fronts, they use their coordinated media/connections/contacts to reinforce their agendas and criminal policies, spewing propaganda at every corner of the airwaves/social media.

Be prepared for and help to counter the Tsunami of propaganda being refined and fired out by government and their partner's in crime, Fascist corporate media.

You owe me a drink of beer, and a new keyboard...:)

edit: And yes, we must be prepared to defend what he did and his character to the best of our ability.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Thanks, signed.

Thank you mundane! Behavioral fingerprinting has now narrowed your ID to within 16 ppl, a cross correlation of your location based on posting hints and geo-location data should give us one person with 100% certainty.

We will be collecting prisoners in your area next Thursday and Friday between 8 and 4. Is there a time that would be convenient for being taken into custody? Don't bring anything - we will provide everything you need. The FEMA camps are really nice this time of year...

-t

[EBounding]

Icelandic Legislator: I'm Ready To Help NSA Whistleblower Edward Snowden Seek Asylum (http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/06/09/icelandic-legislator-im-ready-to-help-nsa-whistleblower-seek-asylum/)

[sailingaway]

From twitter:

Liberty ‏@LibertyinOhio now
You know the US is in trouble when a Ron Paul fan defects to China. What does that say about us? #tcot

https://twitter.com/LibertyinOhio/status/343911215761862656

[ClydeCoulter]

Thank you mundane! Behavioral fingerprinting has now narrowed your ID to within 16 ppl, a cross correlation of your location based on posting hints and geo-location data should give us one person with 100% certainty.

We will be collecting prisoners in your area next Thursday and Friday between 8 and 4. Is there a time that would be convenient for being taken into custody? Don't bring anything - we will provide everything you need. The FEMA camps are really nice this time of year...

-t

I'm not going to hide. Or, like Pete said, if they make it so I'm going to hide, then it's already on.

edit: But I get your point, thanks :)

[KEEF]

http://youtu.be/N5VAgSdGnSQ

http://youtu.be/N5VAgSdGnSQ


https://twitter.com/G_fasciatus/status/343922082561810432

[Cap]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=N5VAgSdGnSQ

Fixed it for you KEEF. By the way, Julie is great.

[KEEF]

Yeah, that is what I get for not being on here for so long. My post didn't imbed the video like it always does. It just left it as code language.


Thanks Cap

[Mani]

OMG! He's in my fucking Neighborhood!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/snowden-nsa-leak-whistleblower-cia-204241311.html

Snowden said he decided to leave his family, girlfriend and a comfortable, $200,000-a-year salary behind, and flew to Hong Kong on May 20. He said he chose China because "they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent."


He made me proud of Hong Kong for a second. But his hopes won't last too long, HK is very close to USA, they won't hold him for long.

He was better off doing the interview (asking for 24 hours before breaking the story) to cross into China and seek asylum there. Now it's too late, he needs to apply for Visa to China (it's separate visa than HK which is visa on Arrival), and now it's too late. Hong Kong does have some things to help people fleeing their country, but I'm not well versed on it.

What the hell is the world come to, when a person fighting for FREEDOM needs to run to China. UGH.

Guys, Hong Kong is tiny, he's within a 10-20 mile radius of me, I truly wish I could buy him a beer and let him know he is our HERO and all of us on RPF thank him for his ultimate sacrifice.

The article on my phone is different then the above link. It talks about Peter King R-NY who says, "Snowden should be extradited from Hong Kong immediately...and PROSECUTED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW."

He goes on to say he's helped Al-Qaida by alerting them of our survelliance.

PETER KING THE TYRANT has spoken. They are going to get this guy and tear him a new one. (My turn for TEARS) He's going to Prison much longer then Nelson Mandela, and he won't get the same sympathy. They have a special kind of prison for this type of traitor. (Breaks my heart to know this guy's future is over).

[UtahApocalypse]

I fear this American Patriot will commit suicide by shotgun.... two shots to the back of the head style

[Cap]

Maybe he really isn't in Hong Kong. Maybe he is just sending up some smoke until the wave crests.

[wgadget]

You guys hear that bastard John McCain defending the NSA snooping today?

[kcchiefs6465]

You guys hear that bastard John McCain defending the NSA snooping today?
Thankfully, no.

[Carson]

Actually, that route only leads to an inflation party. Besides, a lot of congress is probably talking about retroactive immunity as we type. Then they'll keep doing the same thing.


I think they passed some sort of immunity for themselves regarding this years ago. Not that it counts.


Besides with all of us retired who would bring us our chocolate malts with the whip cream on top?

[wgadget]

Thankfully, no.

My apologies in advance:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sen-mccain-defends-nsa-to-crowley-we-wouldnt-be-arguing-if-this-was-september-12-2001/

[wgadget]

And then there is our friend Lindsey Graham:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/06/sen-lindsey-graham-glad-nsa-secretly-spying-on-americans/

The battle lines have been drawn in the GOP and they are in stark relief.

[Origanalist]

Anyone else notice we as a people seem to be being herded into a world of non verbal communication and everyone is pecking out their most inner most thoughts to each other on some sort of key pad.

Will we all end up communicating like prisoners on phones through a piece of glass so it can all be taken down and held against you?

We already are.

[kcchiefs6465]

“I believe that the FISA is an appropriate way of reviewing some of these policies. You pointed out thart almost none of the proposals of the administration had been turned down by the FISA court. That’s either because they’ve made a strong enough case, or because the FISA court is a rubber stamp.”

“Which is it?” Crowley pressed.

“I’m not entirely sure,” McCain admitted. “But I do believe that if this was September 12, 2001, we might not be having the argument that we’re having today.”
I have no doubts either you treasonous piece of shit.

Opportunists. All of them.

[kcchiefs6465]

And then there is our friend Lindsey Graham:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/06/sen-lindsey-graham-glad-nsa-secretly-spying-on-americans/

The battle lines have been drawn in the GOP and they are in stark relief.
I really can't. Thanks for posting though.

John McCain's statements irked me enough for one day.

[Mani]

You guys hear that bastard John McCain defending the NSA snooping today?


He can photo-op with terrorists and can cheer and defend NSA...What the Fuck.

It's a privileged class, they are above the law. And this brave HERO Snowden is about to get life destroyed.

[bolil]

As regards the schism within the GOP: A dilution, the same way they loaded the stage with pretenders against Ron Paul in 2012 they now encourage a broader divide. While I am not convinced, by any means nor any stretch of even the most inventive imagination, that there is an 'us'; this cannot be good for us.

Shit has many names. Poop, defecate, feces, waste... no matter what you call it the stench is the samT

This whistleblower must be in league with Adam Kokesh, what with all the action and what not.

[Origanalist]

As regards the schism within the GOP: A dilution, the same way they loaded the stage with pretenders against Ron Paul in 2012 they now encourage a broader divide. While I am not convinced, by any means nor any stretch of even the most inventive imagination, that there is an 'us'; this cannot be good for us.

Shit has many names. Poop, defecate, feces, waste... no matter what you call it the stench is the samT

This whistleblower must be in league with Adam Kokesh, what with all the action and what not.

I just came back from visiting my old neo-con site. And they are hailing this guy as a hero, unlike Bradley Manning.

[bolil]

I just came back from visiting my old neo-con site. And they are hailing this guy as a hero, unlike Bradley Manning.

Well, that should be enough to cast a plethora of suspicion on the opinions of that site. I don't spend even a second of an average day on Mr. Manning yet I respect him.

Blue is grey an yellow white, but we decide which is right. And which is an illusion.

[kcchiefs6465]

I just came back from visiting my old neo-con site. And they are hailing this guy as a hero, unlike Bradley Manning.
Do you have any insight into why Bradley Manning was a 'contract violating, troop risk increasing, irresponsible asshole' and Edward Snowden is considered a hero?

Perhaps it is because they are actually affected and the brown people in Iraq abetted terrrists?

I wondered this a few pages back after my comment got so much attention. I do remember people here demonizing Manning for his contractual violation he committed.

It just seems like a double standard to me.

[Origanalist]

Well, that should be enough to cast a plethora of suspicion on the opinions of that site. I don't spend even a second of an average day on Mr. Manning yet I respect him.

Blue is grey an yellow white, but we decide which is right. And which is an illusion.

I have no suspicions, or doubts about that site. I know exactly who they are, went there for years.

[trey4sports]

i think we should send McCain to Guantanamo bay. He is obviously providing material support to global terrorists. We have pictures to prove it.

[Origanalist]

Do you have any insight into why Bradley Manning was a 'contract violating, troop risk increasing, irresponsible asshole' and Edward Snowden is considered a hero?

Perhaps it is because they are actually affected and the brown people in Iraq abetted terrrists?

I wondered this a few pages back after my comment got so much attention. I do remember people here demonizing Manning for his contractual violation he committed.

It just seems like a double standard to me.

A lot of it (probably most of it) has to do with the fact that he exposed the military and Edward Snowden exposed the government spying on pretty much everybody in the country. As long as it was brown people overseas being slaughtered they were ok with it.

At Townhall, double standards R us.

[bolil]

I have no suspicions, or doubts about that site. I know exactly who they are, went there for years.

You've yet to be surprized by someone you've known for years, much less a forum dweller?

How can they esteem A and cast dispersions on A at the same time?

More blah from a tepid liver.

[nbruno322]

Snowden better get his butt over to mainland China and ASAP, he should grab the next train out.

Hong Kong has an extradition treaty with the US and there is already a growing chorus of calls to extradite him. He is much more vulnerable in Hong Kong than in mainland China.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/10/the-nsa-files-edward-snowden

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1257639/treaty-gives-hong-kong-option-reject-snowden-extradition-us

[Origanalist]

You've yet to be surprized by someone you've known for years, much less a forum dweller?

How can they esteem A and cast dispersions on A at the same time?

More blah from a tepid liver.

It really is rather painful to witness, and when called on it they get quite indignant.

[donnay]

God Bless Mr. Snowden!

I pray he has God's divine providence to guide and protect him.

[bolil]

It really is rather painful to witness, and when called on it they get quite indignant.

No rep left.

[Origanalist]

No rep left.

Well, have some of mine. :)

[brushfire]

2 Things

1. I wonder what his RPF handle is?

2. What happens to this guy will dictate how much more of this activity there is. Its up to us to stand behind this guy. If given the opportunity, we need to support him and his family in any way possible. There will need to be more Edward Snowdens, if policy is going to change.

[twomp]

Do you have any insight into why Bradley Manning was a 'contract violating, troop risk increasing, irresponsible asshole' and Edward Snowden is considered a hero?

Perhaps it is because they are actually affected and the brown people in Iraq abetted terrrists?

I wondered this a few pages back after my comment got so much attention. I do remember people here demonizing Manning for his contractual violation he committed.

It just seems like a double standard to me.

Because he got a chance to get his side of the story out before the government could use their propaganda machine to demonize him and turn him into a terrorist.

[Origanalist]

Because he got a chance to get his side of the story out before the government could use their propaganda machine to demonize him and turn him into a terrorist.

I really don't think that's it. They were all over the wikileaks from the very start in the "conservative" camp, looking to hang someone. But this story hit home with them and they consider Snowden a hero.

[newbitech]

so assuming he comes back stateside with media attention, are we going to be able to keep track of his whereabouts, and are we going to physically be there to support him and make sure his voice is not alone?I for one am committing right now to keeping track of his story and his whereabouts. Assuming he gets ganked by the US govt, I will personally do everything possible to make sure he gets a fair trial by his peers with proper representation. This is a call to action. We need to muster and rally behind this man.

[Anti Federalist]

so assuming he comes back stateside with media attention, are we going to be able to keep track of his whereabouts, and are we going to physically be there to support him and make sure his voice is not alone?I for one am committing right now to keeping track of his story and his whereabouts. Assuming he gets ganked by the US govt, I will personally do everything possible to make sure he gets a fair trial by his peers with proper representation. This is a call to action. We need to muster and rally behind this man.

Hear! Hear!

[fletcher]

Quick and dirty.
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3937/eots.jpg

[puppetmaster]

Makes me think of this.....http://bim.shopstyle.com/pim/65/1d/651d2b4a722d1153f2d0f32a0e4944cf_best.jpg

[J_White]

http://i.imgur.com/YQ5FUMi.jpg

[Warlord]

OMG! He's in my fucking Neighborhood!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/snowden-nsa-leak-whistleblower-cia-204241311.html

Snowden said he decided to leave his family, girlfriend and a comfortable, $200,000-a-year salary behind, and flew to Hong Kong on May 20. He said he chose China because "they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent."


He made me proud of Hong Kong for a second. But his hopes won't last too long, HK is very close to USA, they won't hold him for long.

He was better off doing the interview (asking for 24 hours before breaking the story) to cross into China and seek asylum there. Now it's too late, he needs to apply for Visa to China (it's separate visa than HK which is visa on Arrival), and now it's too late. Hong Kong does have some things to help people fleeing their country, but I'm not well versed on it.

What the hell is the world come to, when a person fighting for FREEDOM needs to run to China. UGH.

Guys, Hong Kong is tiny, he's within a 10-20 mile radius of me, I truly wish I could buy him a beer and let him know he is our HERO and all of us on RPF thank him for his ultimate sacrifice.

The article on my phone is different then the above link. It talks about Peter King R-NY who says, "Snowden should be extradited from Hong Kong immediately...and PROSECUTED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW."

He goes on to say he's helped Al-Qaida by alerting them of our survelliance.

PETER KING THE TYRANT has spoken. They are going to get this guy and tear him a new one. (My turn for TEARS) He's going to Prison much longer then Nelson Mandela, and he won't get the same sympathy. They have a special kind of prison for this type of traitor. (Breaks my heart to know this guy's future is over).

Yeah no doubt HK will turn him over... he should have been in Shanghai... cheaper hotels too.

[J_White]

toob


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yB3n9fu-rM

did he say "they could pay off the Triad" around 6:00 ? :eek:

[puppetmaster]

This man should empower others

Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito
Latin: Do not give in to evil but proceed ever more boldly against it

Let us proceed with ever more boldness.

The great appear great because we are on our knees....let us rise.---Larkin

[ThePenguinLibertarian]

MR. Snowden deserves a nobel

[kathy88]

I am terrified for him. And every politician who comes out against him needs the full force of our efforts to dethrone them.

[Warlord]

I am sure he's thought this through. He better be thinking of leaving HK quickly.

[wgadget]

did he say "they could pay off the Triad" around 6:00 ? :eek:

Yes I believe he did. What does that mean?

[Warlord]

Yes I believe he did. What does that mean?


Chinese gangsters/kidnappers. He thinks they could chop him up for a fee.

[wgadget]

I just came back from visiting my old neo-con site. And they are hailing this guy as a hero, unlike Bradley Manning.

Oh-ho...I'm most certain the propaganda talking media heads have been given the task of raking this brave young man through the coals and readjusting the neocons' thought processes on the issue.

Watch for it.

[Anti Federalist]

This needs to stay front page.

[AuH20]

A lot of it (probably most of it) has to do with the fact that he exposed the military and Edward Snowden exposed the government spying on pretty much everybody in the country. As long as it was brown people overseas being slaughtered they were ok with it.

At Townhall, double standards R us.

Snowden and Manning's cases are viewed differently for two main reasons:

1. the UCMJ which is absolutely crystal clear in it's rigidness
2. Blowback from those digital releases

[jmdrake]

Well that tears it. Rand hast to become president in 2016 if for no other reason than to offer this brave soul a pardon.


Most likely Ron Paul. He contributed to him in 2012.

http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?12952514893

http://i40.tinypic.com/2q1845c.jpg

[WM_in_MO]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/10/fox-news-analyst-bring-back-the-death-penalty-for-nsa-leaker/

Calls for his death already.

[Anti Federalist]

Bump

[Occam's Banana]

Bump

HA! LOVE your new avatar! ;):D:cool:

[Anti Federalist]

HA! LOVE your new avatar! ;):D:cool:

Thanks!

While it will lead to confusion, I think everybody should use it.

[talkingpointes]

Snowden and Manning's cases are viewed differently for two main reasons:

1. the UCMJ which is absolutely crystal clear in it's rigidness
2. Blowback from those digital releases

One was a gay liberal, the other a conservative. Hmm tough one.

Manning is still in jail and no one really cares.

[Cap]

I have no suspicions, or doubts about that site. I know exactly who they are, went there for years.

We must be talking about Rim-Jobs site.

[kcchiefs6465]

http://i.imgur.com/lix3jg6.png?1

[twomp]

back to the top!

[Anti Federalist]

http://i.imgur.com/ocAzLRy.jpg

[HOLLYWOOD]

Gold Old Daily Pravda propagandist Chris Mathews on MSNBC... marginalized Snowden. First 3 lines of CON GAME out of Mathew's Hardball show mouth, WE CAME IN 3rd!

High School Dropout...
No College Degree...
Ron Paul Supporter... <=== :cool:

If you have today 'Tube of Lies' by Fascist corporate media, please post.

http://quantumconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mathews.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=SHU2cCmK9SKjrM&tbnid=pNtLEen1GDEfDM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fquantumconservative.com%2F%3Fp%3D 84&ei=zWO2UaWOO6nOiwL96oDIBA&bvm=bv.47534661,d.cGE&psig=AFQjCNFPFPqOyqrvorLEj9XnYDwUm0l-JQ&ust=1370993861713104)

[kcchiefs6465]

Cough.

[J_White]

http://i.imgur.com/lix3jg6.png?1

that is funny, but scary - because it is not that hard to believe happening in the future !

[twomp]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMc332KCQAA8dWm.jpg:large

[mad cow]

LOL! Saved.

[Peace Piper]

http://i.imgur.com/ocAzLRy.jpg



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[otherone]

Gold Old Daily Pravda propagandist Chris Mathews on MSNBC... marginalized Snowden. First 3 lines of CON GAME out of Mathew's Hardball show mouth, WE CAME IN 3rd!

High School Dropout...
No College Degree...
Ron Paul Supporter... <=== :cool:


I can guarantee you that from now on, being a RP supporter will exclude you from working for Uncle Sam. As we speak, the NSA, DHS, CIA, FBI, IRS and DoD are looking at who donated to whom within their ranks.

[Anti Federalist]

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[devil21]

This Snowden story is starting to smell to me for some reason. Almost like a trial balloon to see just how much can be released without the people reacting in any tangible way.

Sure, we spy on you, we spend your money to arm terrorists, we target you with our gun toting tax collectors for your political beliefs, etc. All we get is some internet complaining and news stories? Good sheep. You're ready for the next step. Don't forget about The Voice season finale!

[devil21]

What Snowden is claiming regarding his "authority" to tap into whatever he wanted at any moment isn't anything new. Analysts have always had this ability, even before the internet and cell phones were mainstream. Phone tapping operations by Feds have operated the same way for a long time. Any analyst could punch in any phone number into his computer and instantly intercept all communications for that landline, no warrants or oversight required. Whether any of it was admissible as evidence in a trial is a different story but the capability has always been there. It's no surprise that the same mechanisms have evolved as technology has evolved.

[UWDude]

What Snowden is claiming regarding his "authority" to tap into whatever he wanted at any moment isn't anything new. Analysts have always had this ability, even before the internet and cell phones were mainstream. Phone tapping operations by Feds have operated the same way for a long time. Any analyst could punch in any phone number into his computer and instantly intercept all communications for that landline, no warrants or oversight required. Whether any of it was admissible as evidence in a trial is a different story but the capability has always been there. It's no surprise that the same mechanisms have evolved as technology has evolved.

Snowden could be a CIA agent, releasing this information in an attempt to slowly silence the public. This news will have a big chill effect on the American people and internet perhaps. People are friendlier to big brother when they know big brother is watching. And that could very well be all they want to do.

HOWEVER.... ....Snowden has already released some information about "Boundless Informant" which talks of The US surveillance state across the world.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/06/boundlessinformant.jpg

And I just can't see the US government "leaking" this like they do so much other crap.

Expect the Ambassador of Jordan to be furious.

However, again, CIA Snowden can be just flexing CPU power to the world, trying to scare them.

[kcchiefs6465]

Snowden could be a CIA agent, releasing this information in an attempt to slowly silence the public. This news will have a big chill effect on the American people and internet perhaps. People are friendlier to big brother when they know big brother is watching. And that could very well be all they want to do.

HOWEVER.... ....Snowden has already released some information about "Boundless Informant" which talks of The US surveillance state across the world.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/06/boundlessinformant.jpg

And I just can't see the US government "leaking" this like they do so much other crap.

Expect the Ambassador of Jordan to be furious.
Can you post links to what slides were released and the documents leaked?

I still haven't seen them personally.

[Warlord]

The biggest problem for me with our hero is the strategic $250 donations to Ron. Just enough to show up in FEC records and be revealed when his celebrity breaks....

reaks somewhat. or it could be a FU to the establishment.

This guy is a CIA agent with no Facebook account. He's not about to put his name on FEC records so easily.

There is still more to come out...

Makes me laugh @ people htting Rand for 'reserving judgement'. A lot of us here are too. Although the hero narrative is great and should be milked.

[UWDude]

The biggest problem for me with our hero is the strategic $250 donations to Ron. Just enough to show up in FEC records and be revealed when his celebrity breaks....

reaks somewhat. or it could be a FU to the establishment.

This guy is a CIA agent with no Facebook account. He's not about to put his name on FEC records so easily.

There is still more to come out...

Makes me laugh @ people htting Rand for 'reserving judgement'. A lot of us here are too. Although the hero narrative is great and should be milked.


what bothers me the most is the $20M price tag. If they all made what this guy did, or maybe averaged a bit less, say $100,000 a year for guesstimate's sake, that would mean there are only 200 NSA snoops. How much you want to bet his contractor put out that little number to inflate the number of agents in the program? 200,000 a year means 100 NSA snoops, but 100,000 a year means 200 NSA snoops a year. Big difference.

[tod evans]

Anyone who can get segments of the MSM speaking candidly about government is a hero in my book.

The US government hasn't represented me or anyone I know and respect for decades.

[Warlord]

what bothers me the most is the $20M price tag. If they all made what this guy did, or maybe averaged a bit less, say $100,000 a year for guesstimate's sake, that would mean there are only 200 NSA snoops. How much you want to bet his contractor put out that little number to inflate the number of agents in the program? 200,000 a year means 100 NSA snoops, but 100,000 a year means 200 NSA snoops a year. Big difference.

Wayne Madsen on Alex Jones (Former NSA spy himself) said Ed worked for a division called F6 (special collection service) 'they go abroad and bug places. Black bag operators.'

[UWDude]

Can you post links to what slides were released and the documents leaked?

I still haven't seen them personally.

Here is the ZDNet article
http://www.zdnet.com/boundless-informant-us-gov-collects-100b-surveillance-records-a-month-7000016571/

And the NSA has already chilled me. I don't want to look for the real deal, because I don't want to be red flagged by them... ...or should I say, red flagged yet again.

[kcchiefs6465]

what bothers me the most is the $20M price tag. If they all made what this guy did, or maybe averaged a bit less, say $100,000 a year for guesstimate's sake, that would mean there are only 200 NSA snoops. How much you want to bet his contractor put out that little number to inflate the number of agents in the program? 200,000 a year means 100 NSA snoops, but 100,000 a year means 200 NSA snoops a year. Big difference.
What 20M price tag?

[UWDude]

What 20M price tag?

The PRISM slides:

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Technology/ht_nsa_prism_data_collection_graphic_thg_130607_wg .jpg

Two programs were unveiled, PRISM and Boundless Informant. 4 of 63 slides have been shown. So supposedly, Snowden has 59 more slides detailing the NSA spy program. And Greenwald says they will release more, and it is going to get worse. This is just the beginning.

He is putting out bits a day, today, for example, he detailed American hacking into China for a large Chinese English speaking paper. He is going to try to rally the Chinese to his defense, because he loves Hong Kong, supposedly. Or he might just be a mastermind, maybe even a Messiah of some sort.