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enhanced_deficit
06-09-2013, 04:14 AM
According to an article in the American technology magazine "Wired" (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/04/shady-companies-nsa/all/1) from April 2012, two Israeli companies – which the magazine describes as having close connections to the Israeli security community – conduct bugging and wiretapping for the NSA.

Verint, which took over its parent company Comverse Technology earlier this year, is responsible for tapping the communication lines of the American telephone giant Verizon, according to a past Verizon employee sited by James Bamford in Wired. Neither Verint nor Verizon commented on the matter.

Both Verint and Narus have ties to the Israeli intelligence agency and the Israel Defense Forces intelligence-gathering unit 8200. Hanan Gefen, a former commander of the 8200 unit, told Forbes magazine in 2007 (http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/07/israel-military-unit-ventures-biz-cx_gk_0208israel.html) that Comverse's technology, which was formerly the parent company of Verint and merged with it this year, was directly influenced by the technology of 8200. Ori Cohen, one of the founders of Narus, told Fortune magazine in 2001 (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2001/10/15/311567/) that his partners had done technology work for the Israeli intelligence.

Original Wired 2012 report excerpts:

Shady Companies With Ties to Israel Wiretap the U.S. for the NSA
By James Bamford (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/author/james-bamford/) 04.03.12



Army General Keith Alexander, the director of the NSA, is having a busy year — hopping around the country, cutting ribbons at secret bases and bringing to life the agency’s greatly expanded eavesdropping network.
In January he dedicated the new $358 million CAPT Joseph J. Rochefort Building at NSA Hawaii, and in March he unveiled the 604,000-square-foot John Whitelaw Building at NSA Georgia.

Designed to house about 4,000 earphone-clad intercept operators, analysts and other specialists, many of them employed by private contractors, it will have a 2,800-square-foot fitness center open 24/7, 47 conference rooms and VTCs, and “22 caves,” according to an NSA brochure from the event. No television news cameras were allowed within two miles of the ceremony.

The climax, however, will be the opening next year of the NSA’s mammoth 1-million-square-foot, $2 billion Utah Data Center. The centerpiece in the agency’s decade-long building boom, it will be the “cloud” where the trillions of millions of intercepted phone calls, e-mails, and data trails will reside, to be scrutinized by distant analysts over highly encrypted fiber-optic links.

And with some of the key companies building the U.S.’s surveillance infrastructure for the digital age employing unstable employees, crooked executives, and having troubling ties to foreign intelligence services, it’s not clear that Americans should trust the secretive agency,even if its current agency chief claims he doesn’t approve of extrajudicial spying on Americans. His predecessor, General Michael V. Hayden, made similar claims while secretly conducting the warrantless wiretapping program.

In addition to constructing the Stellar Wind center, and then running the operation, secretive contractors with questionable histories and little oversight were also used to do the actual bugging of the entire U.S. telecommunications network.

According to a former Verizon employee briefed on the program, Verint (http://verint.com/), owned by Comverse Technology, taps the communication lines at Verizon, which I first reported in my book The Shadow Factory in 2008. Verint did not return a call seeking comment, while Verizon said it does not comment on such matters.
At AT&T the wiretapping rooms are powered by software and hardware from Narus (http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/05/70908), now owned by Boeing, a discovery made by AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/05/att_whistleblow/) in 2004. Narus did not return a call seeking comment.

What is especially troubling is that both companies have had extensive ties to Israel, as well as links to that country’s intelligence service, a country with a long and aggressive history of spying on the U.S.
In fact, according to Binney, the advanced analytical and data mining software the NSA had developed for both its worldwide and international eavesdropping operations was secretly passed to Israel by a mid-level employee, apparently with close connections to the country. The employee, a technical director in the Operations Directorate, “who was a very strong supporter of Israel,” said Binney, “gave, unbeknownst to us, he gave the software that we had, doing these fast rates, to the Israelis.”
Because of his position, it was something Binney should have been alerted to, but wasn’t.

But Binney now suspects that Israeli intelligence in turn passed the technology on to Israeli companies who operate in countries around the world, including the U.S. In return, the companies could act as extensions of Israeli intelligence and pass critical military, economic and diplomatic information back to them. “And then five years later, four or five years later, you see a Narus device,” he said. “I think there’s a connection there, we don’t know for sure.”

Narus (http://www.narus.com/) was formed in Israel in November 1997 by six Israelis with much of its money coming from Walden Israel, an Israeli venture capital company. Its founder and former chairman, Ori Cohen (http://www.haaretz.com/news/ori-cohen-private-eye-1.192771), once told Israel’s Fortune Magazine that his partners have done technology work for Israeli intelligence. (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2001/10/15/311567/index.htm) And among the five founders was Stanislav Khirman (http://www.linkedin.com/in/khirman), a husky, bearded Russian who had previously worked for Elta Systems, Inc. A division of Israel Aerospace Industries, Ltd., Elta (http://www.iai.co.il/17887-en/Groups_ELTA.aspx) specializes in developing advanced eavesdropping systems for Israeli defense and intelligence organizations. At Narus, Khirman became the chief technology officer.

A few years ago, Narus boasted that it is “known for its ability to capture and collect data from the largest networks around the world.” The company says its equipment is capable of “providing unparalleled monitoring and intercept capabilities to service providers and government organizations around the world” and that “Anything that comes through [an Internet protocol network], we can record. We can reconstruct all of their e-mails, along with attachments, see what Web pages they clicked on, we can reconstruct their [Voice over Internet Protocol] calls.”

Like Narus, Verint was founded by in Israel by Israelis, including Jacob “Kobi” Alexander, a former Israeli intelligence officer. Some 800 employees work for Verint, including 350 who are based in Israel, primarily working in research and development and operations, according to the Jerusalem Post (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-50140593.html). Among its products is STAR-GATE, which according to the company’s sales literature (http://verint.com/communications_interception/section2a.cfm?article_level2_category_id=7&article_level2a_ib%20d=220), lets “service providers … access communications on virtually any type of network, retain communication data for as long as required, and query and deliver content and data …” and was “[d]esigned to manage vast numbers of targets, concurrent sessions, call data records, and communications.”

In a rare and candid admission (http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/07/israel-military-unit-ventures-biz-cx_gk_0208israel.html) to Forbes, Retired Brig. Gen. Hanan Gefen, a former commander of the highly secret Unit 8200, Israel’s NSA, noted his former organization’s influence on Comverse, which owns Verint, as well as other Israeli companies that dominate the U.S. eavesdropping and surveillance market. “Take NICE, Comverse and Check Point for example, three of the largest high-tech companies, which were all directly influenced by 8200 technology,” said Gefen. “Check Point was founded by Unit alumni. Comverse’s main product, the Logger, is based on the Unit’s technology.”

According to a former chief of Unit 8200, both the veterans of the group and much of the high-tech intelligence equipment they developed are now employed in high-tech firms around the world. “Cautious estimates indicate that in the past few years,” he told a reporter for the Israeli newspaper Ha’artez (http://rpdefense.over-blog.com/article-une-unite-d-elite-qui-a-pour-but-de-developper-les-prouesses-technologiques-de-tsahal-85544009.html) in 2000, “Unit 8200 veterans have set up some 30 to 40 high-tech companies, including 5 to 10 that were floated on Wall Street.” Referred to only as “Brigadier General B,” he added, “This correlation between serving in the intelligence Unit 8200 and starting successful high-tech companies is not coincidental: Many of the technologies in use around the world and developed in Israel were originally military technologies and were developed and improved by Unit veterans.”

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/04/shady-companies-nsa/all/1

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/how-was-israel-involved-in-collecting-u-s-communications-intel-for-nsa-1.528529


Fox news had done this alarming report about access of some Israeli companies to US phone call records and other data few years back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWpWc_suPWo&feature=player_detailpage#t=317s

President Bush had started to clamp down on foreign spying operations in general and even started espionage prosecution of top AIPAC executives in unrelated matter. Obama had dropped that case quietly after getting in WH. There is a lot that is still not known but it appears Obama put spying on Americans on steroids.

Although Obama got lot of money for his political campaign from Israeli linked groups in the US, deals his administration has signed with Israeli intelligence technolgies companies will receive additional scrutiny now.


The Chamber's U.S.-Israel Business Initiative and National Security & Emergency Preparedness Department have teamed up to lead a National Security Trade Mission to Israel from November 11-14, 2012. Led by former Secretary of Homeland Security, The Hon. Tom Ridge, U.S. Chamber Senior Vice President of International Affairs, Myron Brilliant and U.S. Chamber Vice President, National Security & Emergency Preparedness Department, Ann M. Beauchesne, this mission will offer companies a unique opportunity to meet and network with senior Israeli government officials and business executives on key homeland security, cyber security, border security, and trade facilitation issues.


Homeland security encompasses a broad range of sectors and is an area of tremendous collaboration between the United States and Israel. From sub-sectors such as border protection technologies to cyber security, the U.S. and Israel are working together both on the intelligence and commercial side in unprecedented ways. There is also a strong “spillover effect” from Israel’s long-standing defense and security relationship with the United States into homeland security. Israel has earned itself a global reputation as a forerunner for providing leading security and emergency preparedness solutions and continues to successfully partner with key world players to protect airports, seaports, government offices, financial institutions, international events, and beyond.


There has been a flurry of activity recently aimed at advancing U.S.-Israel partnership on homeland security and trade issues.

Last month, the United States Congress passed the United States-Israel Enhanced Security Cooperation Act of 2012, which recommends several ways to strengthen bilateral cooperation in a range of areas including homeland security, advanced technology, energy, intelligence, and cyber security. This legislation paves the way for additional public-private partnerships between the U.S. and Israel in related sectors.


In May, The Hon. Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Homeland Security visited Israel in May for discussions on collaboration with international partners to combat terrorism, and facilitate trade and travel. She also signed a joint statement with the Government of Israel on the implementation of the Global Entry trusted traveler program for Israeli citizens. With the goal of enhancing U.S.-Israel collaboration in Homeland Security, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Israeli Ministry of Public Security (MOPS) have recently announced a list of high-priority areas related to first responders, disaster management, cyber security and explosive detection for suggested bilateral collaboration in research and development. They can be viewed here (http://www.birdf.com/_Uploads/dbsAttachedFiles/MOPS_DHS_Topics.pdf).




http://www.usisraelbusiness.com/u-s-israel-business-initiative-executive-update/

enhanced_deficit
06-09-2013, 04:25 AM
There are no reports in MSM that Obama has given full access to private data on all Americans to Israelis. But he has been pretty sloppy in the past and there reports that he had given a special phone line in the office of Israeli lobby AIPAC's founder who had no position in US government.

Dennis Ross' 'red line' to the White house Israel News (http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/diplomania/dennis-ross-red-line-to-the-white-house-1.410054)

www.haaretz.com/.../dennis-ross-red-line-to-the-white-house-1.410054‎

Jan 30, 2012 – Why did the White House install a secure phone in Dennis Ross' office in ... Apparently, a short while after Ross left his position in the Obama ...

Hopefully No Such Agentry guys are keeping an eye on this guy and his funders to make sure American information is not slipping into foreign hands.

Warlord
06-09-2013, 04:39 AM
Savage talked about this the other night... he said "the worst elements of the US government are in cahoots with the worst elements of the Israeli government"

enhanced_deficit
06-09-2013, 04:46 AM
Savage talked about this the other night... he said "the worst elements of the US government are in cahoots with the worst elements of the Israeli government"

Is he talking about Obama , Netanyahu or some other people? It will help if he can be bit specific.

Michael Weiner aka Savage often shoots in all sorts of directions but at critical times almost always sits in the hardcore neocons corner. Just few months ago he was ranting that Obama is throwing his favorite foreign country under the bus.

Warlord
06-09-2013, 05:15 AM
Is he talking about Obama , Netanyahu or some other people? It will help if he can be bit specific.

Michael Weiner aka Savage often shoots in all sorts of directions but at critical times almost always sits in the hardcore neocons corner. Just few months ago he was ranting that Obama is throwing his favorite foreign country under the bus.

He wasn't very specific no... listen to the show on www.wabcradio.com under podcasts/savage.

enhanced_deficit
06-09-2013, 10:40 AM
Ok will check out his latest productions, but I'm afraid may not be too impressed with his new crusade since I'm too familiar with his wild swings.

pcosmar
06-09-2013, 10:53 AM
So.. Not only are they spying on Americans,, they are in cahoots with foreign entities,, spying on Americans.

And they want us to just "trust them". :(

kcchiefs6465
06-09-2013, 12:32 PM
Even using a very strict definition of the word treason, this falls well within it.

HOLLYWOOD
06-09-2013, 01:40 PM
WOW!

Yeah, we know about Israeli AMDOCS spying on Americans... of course any disclosure has been squelched by the US government and Fascist Corporate Media... but this is even more shocking:


Both Verint and Narus have ties to the Israeli intelligence agency and the Israel Defense Forces intelligence-gathering unit 8200. Hanan Gefen, a former commander of the 8200 unit, told Forbes magazine in 2007 (http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/07/israel-military-unit-ventures-biz-cx_gk_0208israel.html) that Comverse's technology, which was formerly the parent company of Verint and merged with it this year, was directly influenced by the technology of 8200. Ori Cohen, one of the founders of Narus, told Fortune magazine in 2001 (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2001/10/15/311567/) that his partners had done technology work for the Israeli intelligence. Worse part of infiltration, Israel Defense and security firms merging with US Military Industrial Complex corporations and the Security Industrial Complex firms. Joint development has given Israel data of the most sensitive projects and information. It's doing espionage through subsidiaries and joint development projects.

I knew something was dreadfully wrong when, then, government Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania gave huge security/sensitive contracts to an Israeli firm over the dozens of US capable firms. It allowed the state complete access to all Pennsylvanians and government departments info... this to a foreign firm.

All of this should be alarming that the US government is being control to somewhat degrees by special interest and foreign assets/governments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Ross

During President (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_President) Jimmy Carter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter)'s administration, Ross worked under Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz) in the Pentagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon).

he co-authored a study recommending greater U.S. intervention in "the Persian Gulf Region because of our need for Persian Gulf oil and because events in the Persian Gulf affect the Arab-Israeli conflict

During the Reagan administration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration), Ross served as director of Near East and South Asian affairs in the National Security Council (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Security_Council) and Deputy Director of the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Net_Assessment) (1982–84)

In the mid-1980s Ross co-founded with Martin Indyk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Indyk) the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs_Committee) (AIPAC)-sponsored Washington Institute for Near East Policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Institute_for_Near_East_Policy) ("WINEP"

administration of President (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_President) George H. W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush), Ross was director of the United States State Department (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_State_Department)'s Policy Planning Staff, working on U.S. policy toward the former Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union), the reunification of Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reunification_of_Germany) and its integration into NATO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO), arms control (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_control), and the 1991 Gulf War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War)
He facilitated the Israel-Jordan Treaty of Peace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel-Jordan_Treaty_of_Peace) and also worked on talks between Israel and Syria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria)
He also wrote frequently for publications like The Washington Post (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Post), The New York Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times), The Jerusalem Post (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jerusalem_Post), The New Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Republic), USA Today (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Today) and The Wall Street Journal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wall_Street_Journal) and worked as a foreign affairs analyst for the Fox News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News) channel. Ross was a noted supporter of the Iraq war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq) and he signed two Project for a New American Century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_a_New_American_Century) (PNAC) letters in support of the war in March 2003

http://crashrecovery.org/911/amdocs.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=oyKtLKJu-kNXIM&tbnid=YRxvuFL80FCNCM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.prisonplanet.com%2Findex.ph p%3Ftopic%3D140988.0&ei=Q9i0UcWBIIWRiALb34GgDw&bvm=bv.47534661,d.cGE&psig=AFQjCNGedWvnslNgVb1oNGaQE_qZjXe-qg&ust=1370892733481439)

enhanced_deficit
06-09-2013, 04:42 PM
Very informative analysis HW. What is being reported is probably a fraction of what is going on.

Have added original Wired report, just realized the first news report had left out some critical details.

Lets hope Senate Intel Committee Chair Dianne Feinstein will live up to her responsibilities and will provide an example that is exact opposite of Congress member Jane Herman who turned out to be AIPAC lobby waddler when President Bush started to turn heat on.

Congresswoman Waddles Into Israeli Spy Storm - Gawker (http://gawker.com/5219681/congresswoman-waddles-into-israeli-spy-storm)
gawker.com/.../congresswoman-waddles-into-israeli-spy-storm‎
Let's count: 1) public corruption, 2) "Israel Lobby" espionage, 3) intelligence ... in which the congresswoman promised to "waddle in" to the AIPAC case "if you ...

enhanced_deficit
06-09-2013, 11:02 PM
So.. Not only are they spying on Americans,, they are in cahoots with foreign entities,, spying on Americans.

And they want us to just "trust them". :(

Trust the puppet in chief.

enhanced_deficit
06-10-2013, 07:13 PM
Even using a very strict definition of the word treason, this falls well within it.

Wonder if Intel Committee Chair Senator Dianne Feinstein would agree with this.

enhanced_deficit
07-13-2013, 04:32 PM
Waz Zimmerman affair pushed by plant masters to distract public attention/take heat off the other real scandals plant was embroiled in?

libertyjam
07-13-2013, 05:12 PM
Wonder if Intel Committee Chair Senator Dianne Feinstein would agree with this.

Not in a million years.
http://www.aipac.org/statementsofsupport
http://www.jta.org/2013/03/20/news-opinion/united-states/letters-backed-by-aipac-j-street-urge-obama-on-israel-defense-peace
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2013/04/15/18735217.php
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2E7FjZ1VCs
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/68903/feinstein-wyden-on-opposite-sides-of-surveillance-debate/

HOLLYWOOD
07-13-2013, 08:58 PM
Wonder if Intel Committee Chair Senator Dianne Feinstein would agree with this.

https://www.facebook.com/democracynow/posts/10151651790743279


Democracy Now! (http://www.facebook.com/democracynow?ref=stream)

June 25 at 9:18am ·

"Dianne Feinstein is outright lying when she says that she doesn't know of any instances of abuse at the National Security Agency," says The Guardian (http://www.facebook.com/theguardian?directed_target_id=0) columnist Glenn Greenwald.
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Glenn Greenwald: "Dianne Feinstein is Outright Lying" about NSA Surveillance Abuses

(http://youtu.be/vRLTChWV6RM)www.youtube.comOn (http://www.youtube.comOn) Democracy Now!, Guardian columnist Glenn Greenwald, who broke the NSA surveillance story, takes on California Senator Dianne Feinstein over her remarks about the government spy program and NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. Watch the full 25-minute interview at http://owl.li/mkCnI.

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Glenn Greenwald: "Dianne Feinstein is Outright Lying" about NSA Surveillance Abuses (http://xrepublic.tv/node/3956)

http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/glenn-greenwald-dianne-feinstein-outright-lying-about-nsa-surveillance-abuses

Dianne Feinstein = Once a Liar, ALWAYS A LIAR

Dianne Feinstein on NSA: ‘It’s called protecting America’
h XXp://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/dianne-feinstein-on-nsa-its-called-protecting-america-92340.html

By TIM MAK (http://www.politico.com/reporters/TimMak.html) and BURGESS EVERETT (http://www.politico.com/reporters/BurgessEverett.html) | 6/6/13 11:38 AM EDT

The top two leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee said today that the widespread monitoring of phone records revealed by Wednesday’s Guardian report has been going on for years and that Congress is regularly briefed about it.

Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Saxby Chambliss also defended the National Security Agency’s request to Verizon for all the metadata about phone calls made within the U.S. and from the U.S. to other countries. They said the information gathered by intelligence on the phone communications is “meta data” used to connect phone lines to terrorists and that it did not contain the content of the phone calls or messages.

“As far as I know, this is the exact three-month renewal of what has been in place for the past seven years,” Feinstein asid. “This renewal is carried out by the [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court] under the business records section of the PATRIOT Act. Therefore, it is lawful. It has been briefed to Congress.
(PHOTOS: Pols, pundits weigh in on NSA report (http://www.politico.com/gallery/2013/06/pols-pundits-weigh-in-on-nsa-report/001082-015252.html))
Feinstein said she could not answer whether other phone companies have had their records sifted through as Verizon has.
“I know that people are trying to get to us,” she said. “This is the reason why the FBI now has 10,000 people doing intelligence on counterterrorism. This is the reason for the national counterterrorism center that’s been set up in the time we’ve been active. its to ferret this out before it happens. “It’s called protecting America.”
Feinstein wouldn’t say whether Congress should an investigation into who leaked the information.
“Give me a little bit of time. I saw this maybe an hour ago. I haven’t had the opportunity to do the due diligence,” said Feinstein, who said that when she came to her office this morning, there was a TV crew waiting for her.

Added Chambliss: “This is nothing new. This has been going on for seven years … every member of the United States Senate has been advised of this.

“To my knowledge, there has not been any citizen who has registered a complaint,” he said. “It has proved meritorious because we have collected significant information on bad guys, but only on bad guys, over the years.”

Feinstein and ranking member Kit Bond (R-Mo.) in 2010 (http://images.politico.com/global/2013/06/06/difibond_1000.jpg)and Chambliss in 2011 (http://images.politico.com/global/2013/06/06/difisaxby_1000.jpg) gave senators the opportunity to view classified reports on the FISA-related activities.

The letters to senators are “sent at specific dates that were prior to each renewal of the business records section,” she said. The letters inform senators that they can view the classified report on “roving authority for electronic surveillance” as well as “the acquisition of business records that are relevant to investigations to protect against international terrorism or espionage.”
The business records section of the Patriot Act is the provision that the Verizon data would have been collected under.
Feinstein said that members of her committee, which include those like Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Mark Udall (D-Colo.), “should have” closely reviewed the classified documents.
Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) said the intelligence committee, which he chairs, will talk to relevant players as soon as this afternoon.
“If it What it appears to be in the paper is a court order for business records that include metadata not content, not monitoring, not anything else,” Rogers said.
He said its probably a lawful program. He doesn’t know yet.
“There are legal programs. We want to make sure this comports with the legal programs that the committees have been briefed on,” Rogers said. “Again, right now what it appears to be is a court order for business records. That in and of itself is not unusual.”
Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, also defended the administration.
“What Chairman Rogers and I are going to be doing, we’re going to be doing a deep dig on this issue,” he said. “This is done pursuant to law, pursuant to the Supreme Court that ruled this was constitutional.”
He said to keep the information from being misused it requires sign offs from the Justice Department and a judge.
“It’s legal, it’s constitutional, you have oversight, there is a tremendous amount of oversight and when you have the courts – before you didn’t have the courts,” Ruppersberger said. “I know as a Democrat before on the Intelligence Committee, the Bush administration didn’t want court orders at all.”

The Maryland Democrat also invoked the bombings at the Boston Marathon as evidence that this surveillance is needed.
“We just had a serious situation that occurred in Massachusetts and people were saying why didn’t we get more , well this is part of the system that we use because of the volume that we have to deal with to find people who want to attack us and kill us,” Ruppersberger said.
“Now we have to deal with the perception issue because the media constantly saying the NSA is listening to you and that’s not true at all,” Ruppersberger added.

Ginger Gibson and Jake Sherman contributed to this report.

Natural Citizen
07-13-2013, 09:00 PM
How many folks here use Microsoft Security Essentials? Heh....:rolleyes:

Antvirus is the busiest tattle tale on yer systems.