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sedele
11-26-2007, 10:52 AM
(This is an oldie, but a goodie.)

Stu Bykofsky | Nutter's frisk plan: Nutty - or gutty?

MICHAEL NUTTER IS expanding his horizons, but limiting yours.
As a city councilman, his biggest recent success was pushing an anti-smoking law across the finish line. As a mayor, he would give Philadelphia police the power to stop and frisk you.

To be sure, not at 15th and Locust, nor at Germantown and Gravers, nor at Southampton and the Boulevard. That's not where a pedestrian would be pulled over by police and patted down for illegal weapons.

Those are white neighborhoods.

It will happen only in "high-crime" and "high-violence" neighborhoods. Nutter calls them "targeted-enforcement zones," but the fact is they are black neighborhoods and low-income neighborhoods.

Is it ironic that a black mayoral candidate wants to declare a "limited crime emergency" and throw a blanket of blue over black neighborhoods that don't always welcome police? It could be political suicide for a white candidate to call for that.

Nutter released his anti-crime plan the day after the Martin Luther King Jr. national holiday. It was no coincidence.

"Martin Luther King is the national symbol for justice, civil rights and peace," Nutter told me. "We have an emergency situation in this city and I'm about justice, civil rights and peace."

I wondered what Dr. King, a powerful voice against violence, would say about the crime-fighting plan.

I wondered what Frank Rizzo would say.

Maybe somewhere they are together and shedding a tear - one for his people, the other for his city.

Nutter wants to "enhance" police powers in minority neighborhoods because that's where the vast majority of Philadelphia murders take place.

Saying that doesn't make you a racist.

Not caring about it does.

Angry and dismayed, Nutter says 85 percent of last year's 406 murder victims were African-American and "99.9999 per cent" of them were killed with illegal guns.

That's why he's proposing a plan that seems to bang into the Constitution's Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable search and seizure.

"There are stop-and-frisk strategies that, if police officers are properly trained and they are properly implemented, do not violate the Constitution," says Larry Frankel, of the Greater Philadelphia chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Here's Frankel's caveat: If "there's some kind of racial or demographic component that means . . . some people because of their race are more likely to be targeted, then I think you raise questions."

Most stopped and frisked would be minorities, but Nutter says that's because they are in the zone, not because of their skin tone. He expressed confidence in Philly cops to do it right.

Giving cops with "reasonable suspicion" authority to stop and frisk in a targeted zone can work here, Nutter believes, because it's been done in Kansas City, New York, L.A. and elsewhere. Nutter's mentor on this is Penn criminologist Lawrence Sherman, who's studied the tactic for getting illegal guns off the street.


Nutter likens his plan to post- 9/11 security measures at airports, which are annoying and intrusive. We're asked to sacrifice a little liberty for some safety.

In high-crime areas, the "notion of 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' has been infringed upon . . . by people running around with illegal weapons," said Nutter.

He wants to stop them, even at the cost of constricting some rights.

If it will stop the madness, reduce murder and keep children's blood from running in the street, how can you reasonably say

no?

E-mail stubyko@phillynews.com or call 215-854-5977. For recent columns:

http://go.philly.com/byko.

rockwell
11-26-2007, 11:17 AM
"Nutter wants to "enhance" police powers in minority neighborhoods because that's where the vast majority of Philadelphia murders take place.

Saying that doesn't make you a racist."

I always appreciate it when someone let's me know what is and isn't racist. That way I don't make a mistake.

ronpaulblogsdotcom
11-26-2007, 11:36 AM
That is infringing on rights but Philly has to do somethng. Its new nickname is Killadelphia.

Why don't they just offer $150 a gun buyback? Probably would be cheaper and safer for officers. Many people would take it to have some food than a gun laying around.... Except the hard core gangers with expensive guns and lots of enemies.

kylejack
11-26-2007, 11:39 AM
That is infringing on rights but Philly has to do somethng. Its new nickname is Killadelphia.


They should do something other than infringing on rights.

sedele
11-26-2007, 01:44 PM
That is infringing on rights but Philly has to do somethng. Its new nickname is Killadelphia.

Why don't they just offer $150 a gun buyback? Probably would be cheaper and safer for officers. Many people would take it to have some food than a gun laying around.... Except the hard core gangers with expensive guns and lots of enemies.

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

The problem is not the guns. The problem is the drugs. Almost all of the violent crimes that take place in the cities are over drugs. This is because there is a very profitable black market for them. Therefore, many of the gangs and mobs that we have are in place because of this very profitable drug business.

What we need to do is put the Drug Dealers out of business. OVERNIGHT. Legalize them. Tax them. Control them.

THE WAR ON DRUGS = THE WAR ON GUNS!

kylejack
11-26-2007, 01:45 PM
Why should drugs be taxed and controlled?

sedele
11-26-2007, 02:21 PM
Why should drugs be taxed and controlled?

I may have made a mistake on the control part. But I do believe the constitution allows for an excise tax on drugs. Look at tobacco and alcohol.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

austin356
11-26-2007, 02:29 PM
I may have made a mistake on the control part. But I do believe the constitution allows for an excise tax on drugs. Look at tobacco and alcohol.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.



excise tax = yes.

prohibition = no.

excise tax that inherently is to prohibit (see 1930s) = no.

BizmanUSA
11-26-2007, 02:42 PM
(This is an oldie, but a goodie.)

(NOTE: Quote has been shortened)

Stu Bykofsky | Nutter's frisk plan: Nutty - or gutty?

MICHAEL NUTTER IS expanding his horizons, but limiting yours.
As a city councilman, his biggest recent success was pushing an anti-smoking law across the finish line. As a mayor, he would give Philadelphia police the power to stop and frisk you.

To be sure, not at 15th and Locust, nor at Germantown and Gravers, nor at Southampton and the Boulevard. That's not where a pedestrian would be pulled over by police and patted down for illegal weapons.

Those are white neighborhoods.

It will happen only in "high-crime" and "high-violence" neighborhoods. Nutter calls them "targeted-enforcement zones," but the fact is they are black neighborhoods and low-income neighborhoods.

Is it ironic that a black mayoral candidate wants to declare a "limited crime emergency" and throw a blanket of blue over black neighborhoods that don't always welcome police? It could be political suicide for a white candidate to call for that.

E-mail stubyko@phillynews.com or call 215-854-5977. For recent columns:

http://go.philly.com/byko.


Not that I am against stopping the senseless stupidity murders/shootings but isn't "limited crime emergency" a little like "Limited Martial Law"???

sedele
11-26-2007, 02:48 PM
excise tax = yes.

prohibition = no.

excise tax that inherently is to prohibit (see 1930s) = no.

I get it. Thanks.

I'm a little new to this constitution thing.

brandon
11-26-2007, 03:25 PM
As someone who lives in a very bad, all black neighborhood in north philadelphia, I can confirm that there is a violent crime emergency hapenning here and it is almost exclusively in the black community. Something needs to be done.

As I think someone else pointed out, immediately legalizing drugs is the best action to take. It takes all the money out of the organized crime.

As much as I hate any infringement on rights, in a city like this sometimes cops do need a little extra power to keep themselves safe. It is really a tough situation. Cops are shot point blank simply for being cops farily often.

pcosmar
11-26-2007, 03:43 PM
As someone who lives in a very bad, all black neighborhood in north philadelphia, I can concur that there is a violent crime emergency hapenning here and it is almost exclusively in the black community. Something needs to be done.

As I think someone else pointed out, immediately legalizing drugs is the best action to take. It takes all the money out of the organized crime.

As much as I hate any infringement on rights, in a city like this sometimes cops do need a little extra power to keep themselves safe. It is really a tough situation. Cops are shot point blank simply for being cops farily often.

I suggest you arm all the citizens, That is the best way to cut crime.
You will need less police, and when they are not abusing citizens they will not be targeted.

PennCustom4RP
11-26-2007, 05:25 PM
In Frank Rizzo's day, the city was not like this, it was a much safe place. Rizzo is rolling is his grave to see what his city has become. Wilson Goode, Ed Rendell, and John Street have killed Philadelphia, and that disease is spreading to the suburbs.
Unfortunately this has now become a necessary measure to take, hopefully it does some good. Next step is let the law abiding leave and wall the city up, 'Escape from NY' will be 'Escape from Phila'
The City of Brotherly Love is now the City of Muggers and Thugs.:mad: