American woman gang-raped in India resort town

[Warlord]

NEW DELHI - Indian police say a 30-year-old American woman has been gang-raped in the northern Indian resort town of Manali.

Police officer Sher Singh says the woman was picked up early Tuesday morning by men in a truck as she was hitchhiking back to her guest house after visiting a friend.

He says the three men in the truck then drove to a secluded spot and raped her. She went to police and they filed a rape case.

Singh says no arrests had been made as of Tuesday afternoon and authorities had set up roadblocks to stop any truck leaving the town.

The reported rape came after a Swiss tourist was gang-raped in March while on a cycling trip through rural India.

Sexual assaults continue to make regular headlines in India, in spite of the high-profile cases involving Western women, and the fury in the Indian public caused by several brutal cases involving very young girls.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57587499/american-woman-gang-raped-in-india-resort-town-police-say/?tag=socsh

[FSP-Rebel]

as she was hitchhiking back to her guest house
not such a good idea

[Matt Collins]

not such a good idea
Yeah, why do people put themselves in situations which increases the risk of this happening? :confused:

[Warlord]

Yeah, why do people put themselves in situations which increases the risk of this happening? :confused:

They feel safe. False sense of security. Everybody in India smiles and shakes your hand so easy to feel comfortable but let me tell you from experience they'll rob you blind and stab you in the back in an instant.

[oyarde]

I used to buy gems from a New Dehli jeweler.I did not even go there , place is a pit.

[Matt Collins]

They feel safe. False sense of security. Everybody in India smiles and shakes your hand so easy to feel comfortable but let me tell you from experience they'll rob you blind and stab you in the back in an instant.

I wouldn't even hitchhike in the US, it's a dumb idea. Doing it outside of the US as a foreigner is absurd.

[Zippyjuan]

Unfortunately this is a common thing for women in India. An Irish woman was also raped there this week.
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/21-year-old-Irish-aid-worker-the-latest-victim-of-Indias-rape-and-violence-epidemic--210051931.html

This attack is one of many in what’s being described as endemic sex crime.

On Tuesday a 30-year-old American woman reported that she had been gang-raped in the northern Indian resort town of Manali. She told the police she was hitchhiking back to her guest house after visiting friends when three men in a truck picked her up, drove to secluded spot and raped her.

A survey by the Associated Chamber of Commerce and Industry in India shows the number of foreign women visiting India has dropped by 35 percent due to the multiple sexual attacks that have been making international headlines.

The group say these numbers began to fall following the brutal attack of a 23-year-old Indian student by six men on a bus in New Delhi, in December 2012. The attack which led to the woman’s death brought about international protests against violent sexual crime in India.

In March 2013 a Swiss cyclist was gang raped in the central state of Madhya Pradesh.

In January 2013 a Korean tourist was allegedly drugged and raped in the same state by the son of the owner of the hotel where she was staying.

The Department of Foreign Affairs has advised women going to India to exercise caution. Their website says women should not travel alone and should select accommodation carefully.

It states, “Tourists have been the victims of sexual assault in Agra, Goa, Delhi, Bangalore, Madyha Pradesh and Rajasthan. Women travellers often receive unwanted attention in the form of verbal and physical harassment.


Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/21-year-old-Irish-aid-worker-the-latest-victim-of-Indias-rape-and-violence-epidemic--210051931.html#ixzz2VH51oQz9

Ban The Manequin

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/04/indian-city-to-ban-lingerie-mannequins-in-attempt-to-stop-rape/


Mannequins displaying lingerie and other skimpy clothing may soon be banned in India's cosmopolitan city of Mumbai as an anti-rape measure.

The municipal council overwhelmingly passed a resolution last month barring stores from putting scantily-clad mannequins outside their shops. The municipal commissioner has yet to give the required approval of the resolution.

City council member Ritu Tawde said she proposed the mannequin ban because such displays degrade women and could provoke men to attack them.

Indians have increasingly demanded stronger protections for women since the gang rape and killing of a student on a bus in the capital of New Delhi in December.

"Such people get provoked by mannequins. After all, a mannequin is a replica of a woman's body. That's why I oppose it, because mannequins do not suit Indian culture," Tawde said. However, shop owners will still be able to display mannequins how they want inside their stores, she said.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/04/indian-city-to-ban-lingerie-mannequins-in-attempt-to-stop-rape/#ixzz2VH5VjSBe

[lib3rtarian]

The Indian government needs to legalize prostitution already. The country is full of sex-starved people who repress their sexuality because of antiquated and draconian taboo laws and societal shame. Plus, there is a natural in-bred lust for Caucasians whom they consider superior because of their white skin. An African-American woman probably won't meet the same fate. India is a poster-child of what happens when you legislate morality.

[Zippyjuan]

It is more of an example of what can happen when women don't have the same rights men do.

[Spikender]

"Ban the Mannequin"

...

That's a really stupid anti-rape measure.

Regardless, this is barbaric and crude, and I hope the men who have perpetrated these crimes get the justice they deserve.

[gwax23]

The Indian government needs to legalize prostitution already. The country is full of sex-starved people who repress their sexuality because of antiquated and draconian taboo laws and societal shame. Plus, there is a natural in-bred lust for Caucasians whom they consider superior because of their white skin. An African-American woman probably won't meet the same fate. India is a poster-child of what happens when you legislate morality.

This is the fucking truth.

[kpitcher]

A ban on mannequins? Seriously that's the best they can think of to help stop rapes? That's absurd. Of course not any dumber than what I hear out of many American politicians.

[Carlybee]

The Indian government needs to legalize prostitution already. The country is full of sex-starved people who repress their sexuality because of antiquated and draconian taboo laws and societal shame. Plus, there is a natural in-bred lust for Caucasians. whom they consider superior because of their white skin. An African-American woman probably won't meet the same fate. India is a poster-child of what happens when you legislate morality.

Rape is about brutality and control. Also some gang rape so they can video the act and sell it on the porn market. Its not always about someone just wanting sex. I would be curious to know if the majority of rapists over there are Hindu or Muslim.

[compromise]

The Indian government needs to legalize prostitution already. The country is full of sex-starved people who repress their sexuality because of antiquated and draconian taboo laws and societal shame. Plus, there is a natural in-bred lust for Caucasians whom they consider superior because of their white skin. An African-American woman probably won't meet the same fate. India is a poster-child of what happens when you legislate morality.

Prostitution is already legal in India.

As an Indian myself, I believe the main problem is cultural. Most Indians I know associate being Western with being a slut. Some see Western women as easy sex. Even if it's a rape, they believe they're doing the girl a favor because they think she wants it anyway. If it were an attractive black woman of American origin, she would likely have met the same fate. Unfortunately, while their actions are wrong, their stereotype is somewhat true, Western culture has become highly degraded as of late.

[lib3rtarian]

Rape is about brutality and control. Also some gang rape so they can video the act and sell it on the porn market. Its not always about someone just wanting sex. I would be curious to know if the majority of rapists over there are Hindu or Muslim.

If you have noticed a pattern, a lot of these recent rapes are committed by low-life laborer types who live on $1 a day incomes with nothing in the world going for them. You drop a pretty white girl in their midst and you won't even get the bones back. Brutality and control comes in later, and a lot of times they do do it. There is also some historical/psychological context here, because till as recently as 66 years ago, the British was ruling India and were having their way with Indian women and the Indian men powerless to stop it. So in a lot of minds, this is also a "payback". I am not justifying it, but stating the facts.

[lib3rtarian]

Prostitution is already legal in India.

As an Indian myself, I believe the main problem is cultural. Most Indians I know associate being Western with being a slut. Some see Western women as easy sex. Even if it's a rape, they believe they're doing the girl a favor because they think she wants it anyway. If it were an attractive black woman of American origin, she would likely have met the same fate. Unfortunately, while their actions are wrong, their stereotype is somewhat true, Western culture has become highly degraded as of late.

Prostitution is legal just on paper. Running brothels, soliciting, pimping etc. are all crimes. In practice, prostitution is prosecuted and the parties involved shamed to the extent of ruining their lives. Agree on the slut factor.

Interesting to know that you are Indian. So am I.

[compromise]

If you have noticed a pattern, a lot of these recent rapes are committed by low-life laborer types who live on $1 a day incomes with nothing in the world going for them. You drop a pretty white girl in their midst and you won't even get the bones back. Brutality and control comes in later, and a lot of times they do do it. There is also some historical/psychological context here, because till as recently as 66 years ago, the British was ruling India and were having their way with Indian women and the Indian men powerless to stop it. So in a lot of minds, this is also a "payback". I am not justifying it, but stating the facts.

Not always. In many cases, middle-class Indian men have also been involved.
http://bangkokpost.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/viewer.aspx

[compromise]

Prostitution is legal just on paper. Running brothels, soliciting, pimping etc. are all crimes. In practice, prostitution is prosecuted and the parties involved shamed to the extent of ruining their lives. Agree on the slut factor.

Interesting to know that you are Indian. So am I.

What state?

[lib3rtarian]

What state?

clear your pm box. tried pming you.

[compromise]

Prostitution is legal just on paper. Running brothels, soliciting, pimping etc. are all crimes. In practice, prostitution is prosecuted and the parties involved shamed to the extent of ruining their lives. Agree on the slut factor.

Interesting to know that you are Indian. So am I.

Yeah, that aspect of prostitution is illegal. Like much of Europe, if a single independent prostitute has a property and everyone knows that's where you go if you want to do it, it's not illegal for either party if a man were to enter that property and pay her for sex. If there's multiple prostitutes, it's a brothel and illegal. If she's on the street looking for business, same thing there.

In most small Indian towns, sex with the village dirty, disease-ridden, opium-addled old hooker doesn't quite match up to sex with a young, attractive, clean white woman. Wealthy districts in bigger cities will have high class escort-style prostitution, but that's inaccessible to the vast majority of Indians.

[enhanced_deficit]

It is more of an example of what can happen when women don't have the same rights men do.

Women's rights issue confuses me to a degree, India ( and Bangladesh, Pakistan) have had women chief executives elected mutiple times but US has never elected a woman President.

Rape rate per 100K population in US was 27, in UK was 28 and in India 1.8 for 2010 per wiki stats. Granted under reporting will be an issue in place like india but still rapes rate there most likely is going to remain lower than US/UK. Opportunities, alcohol, cultural taboos etc are going to be other factors.
Just for sake of argument, US/UK have better rights for women or India?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

[Zippyjuan]

Reported rape.
http://www.cfr.org/india/governance-india-womens-rights/p30041

The rape and subsequent death of a New Delhi university student in December 2012 sparked nationwide furor over Indian authorities' lax treatment of sexual violence. After other such incidents surfaced, including the rape and suicide of a young Punjab girl, critics began scrutinizing aspects of Indian society that many claim have perpetuated violence and discrimination against women. The high-profile cases called attention to the broader issue of women's rights in India, a nation which ranks 84th out of 113 countries on the Economist's women's economic opportunity rankings.


The Indian constitution prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex, but the position of women remains unequal, according to a United Nations report. Women in India have long been subject to entrenched cultural biases that perpetuate the valuing of sons over daughters, who are often seen as an economic burden to families that fear high dowries and wedding costs, experts say.

Sex-selective abortions have occurred at staggering rates in India despite a 1996 ban on gender screening for such purposes: researchers say up to 600,000 female fetuses are aborted in India every year, or 2.2 percent of the annual birth rate. This has tipped the gender ratio so dramatically that in 2011, there were 914 girls for every 1,000 boys among children up to six years old--the most imbalanced gender ratio since India's 1947 independence.

Researchers point to other significant factors contributing to the normalization of sex selection, including inheritance laws. The Hindu Succession Act of 2005 granted women equal inheritance rights to ancestral and jointly owned property, but enforcement of this law is weak, say experts. Many women, particularly in northern India, are still deprived of their rightful inheritance.



Under the Indian Penal Code, crimes against women include rape, kidnapping and abduction, molestation, sexual harassment, torture, homicide for dowry, and the importation of girls. But critics have voiced concern over the vagueness of their definitions, particularly that of rape. Often, perpetrators of severe sexual attacks are charged with criminal assault on a woman with "intent to outrage her modesty," an offense that carries a light penalty and is almost never enforced.


India's slow, overburdened, and under-funded criminal justice system has exacerbated the plight of rape and sexual assault victims, analysts say. Most rapes go unreported, largely because of cultural stigmas surrounding such incidents that could bring shame to victims and their families. Those who do report cases often face a dehumanizing experience. A lack of specialized training for police and doctors often drives the problem, reports Human Rights Watch and other rights groups.

Furthermore, rights activists say, the lack of uniform national standards for treatment and examination of sexual assault survivors undermines the potential for a successful prosecution. Only around 26 percent of rape cases tried in court in 2011 resulted in convictions, and only four out of ten cases were reported, according to the National Crime Records Bureau, although these trends are not necessarily unique on a global scale. A study of forty acquitted rape cases in Delhi, where only seven percent of the police force is women, found that more than half of the acquittals were due to police failure to perform sufficient investigations.

Still, some sexual assault victims face even worse injustice, as in the case of a seventeen-year-old village girl who was drugged and gang raped in northern Punjab. She committed suicide in December 2012 after a police officer pressed her to drop the case and marry one of her attackers. Reports surfaced that officers had not only harassed the victim, but failed to register her case and attempted to broker an out-of-court settlement between her family and the families of her alleged attackers--a practice known locally as "compromise" that analysts say occurs often in some parts of the country.

[Carlybee]

If you have noticed a pattern, a lot of these recent rapes are committed by low-life laborer types who live on $1 a day incomes with nothing in the world going for them. You drop a pretty white girl in their midst and you won't even get the bones back. Brutality and control comes in later, and a lot of times they do do it. There is also some historical/psychological context here, because till as recently as 66 years ago, the British was ruling India and were having their way with Indian women and the Indian men powerless to stop it. So in a lot of minds, this is also a "payback". I am not justifying it, but stating the facts.

Well true it may vary from culture to culture and there is no accounting for just plain old barbarianism which is present in every society including ours but the payback part would align with the control part of rape as well.

[LibForestPaul]

india and resort town in same sentence, wow...

[lib3rtarian]

india and resort town in same sentence, wow...

These resort towns or hill stations as they are called there were originally established by the British. These are places high above the sea level and have cool temperatures. The British sahibs used to vacation there to escape from the otherwise sweltering hot Indian climate. A lot of these places are lovely, but the Indian government is really shitty in maintaining them or to capitalize on them by promoting them. If these places were in the US, they would be top-notch vacation spots.

[amy31416]

Prostitution is legal just on paper. Running brothels, soliciting, pimping etc. are all crimes. In practice, prostitution is prosecuted and the parties involved shamed to the extent of ruining their lives. Agree on the slut factor.

Interesting to know that you are Indian. So am I.

Interesting how many American (Hindu) Indians are pro-liberty. One of my best friends was Indian and a huge RP supporter.

[juleswin]

Shape up people, you cannot let rapists running around in your resort town, its not good for business. The owners of these resorts should make sure people are protected inside their gates. In Nigeria, if you hurt a rich westerner who is in the country to spend money, you better kill yourself before the police get to you cos you will be in a world of hurt when they show up.

Fuck whatever grievance or urges the people have, you just cannot allow group rapists in your business.

[LibertyEagle]

The Indian government needs to legalize prostitution already. The country is full of sex-starved people who repress their sexuality because of antiquated and draconian taboo laws and societal shame. Plus, there is a natural in-bred lust for Caucasians whom they consider superior because of their white skin. An African-American woman probably won't meet the same fate. India is a poster-child of what happens when you legislate morality.

Actually, I think it is an example of what happens when you have no morality.

[Matt Collins]

india and resort town in same sentence, wow...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goa

[oyarde]

These resort towns or hill stations as they are called there were originally established by the British. These are places high above the sea level and have cool temperatures. The British sahibs used to vacation there to escape from the otherwise sweltering hot Indian climate. A lot of these places are lovely, but the Indian government is really shitty in maintaining them or to capitalize on them by promoting them. If these places were in the US, they would be top-notch vacation spots.

Yeah,but I would go with the Noth East wilderness, fishing is Great :)

[J_White]

Yeah, why do people put themselves in situations which increases the risk of this happening? :confused:

those are "developing" countries !! tourists seem to forget that ...often !

[Athan]

I'm just glad the women aren't allowed to "have guns to protect themselves". I mean they may end up killing an attacker! Rape can last 30 minutes, but murder is forever!
/endLibProgressiveMode

[lib3rtarian]

I'm just glad the women aren't allowed to "have guns to protect themselves". I mean they may end up killing an attacker! Rape can last 30 minutes, but murder is forever!
/endLibProgressiveMode

“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.” - Gandhi.

[compromise]

I'm just glad the women aren't allowed to "have guns to protect themselves". I mean they may end up killing an attacker! Rape can last 30 minutes, but murder is forever!
/endLibProgressiveMode

You're right with regards to Indian women, and many are recognizing this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/9966950/Gun-applications-by-Indian-women-double-since-Delhi-rape-case.html

However, many of these women being raped are foreigners/non-Indian-citizens.

Even in the US, people who are not permanent residents of the United States don't have the RKBA and so cannot protect themselves from rapists.

[Pericles]

Interesting how many American (Hindu) Indians are pro-liberty. One of my best friends was Indian and a huge RP supporter.

One suspects the ideals postulated in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution appeals to certain people, and decide that is the way in which they wish to live.

[Pericles]

Even in the US, people who are not permanent residents of the United States don't have the RKBA and so cannot protect themselves from rapists.

From: http://www.atf.gov/content/firearms-frequently-asked-questions-unlicensed-persons#aliens-purchase

Q: Are there certain persons who cannot legally receive or possess firearms and/or ammunition? Yes, a person who —


Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year;
Is a fugitive from justice;
Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;
Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution;
Is an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa;
Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his or her citizenship;
Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner; or
Has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence
Cannot lawfully receive, possess, ship, or transport a firearm.

A person who is under indictment or information for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year cannot lawfully receive a firearm.
Such person may continue to lawfully possess firearms obtained prior to the indictment or information.
[18 U.S.C. 922(g) and (n), 27 CFR 478.32]

Resident non citizens may otherwise purchase, own, or possess firearms in the United States (the 2A applies to them as well as citizens).

[compromise]

From: http://www.atf.gov/content/firearms-frequently-asked-questions-unlicensed-persons#aliens-purchase

Q: Are there certain persons who cannot legally receive or possess firearms and/or ammunition? Yes, a person who —


Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year;
Is a fugitive from justice;
Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;
Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution;
Is an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa;
Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his or her citizenship;
Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner; or
Has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence
Cannot lawfully receive, possess, ship, or transport a firearm.

A person who is under indictment or information for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year cannot lawfully receive a firearm.
Such person may continue to lawfully possess firearms obtained prior to the indictment or information.
[18 U.S.C. 922(g) and (n), 27 CFR 478.32]

Resident non citizens may otherwise purchase, own, or possess firearms in the United States (the 2A applies to them as well as citizens).

I said permanent residents, not citizens. As your source says, an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, for example a tourist, cannot legally receive or possess firearms and/or ammunition.

[BlackTerrel]

Does this deserve a thread in general politics? American women are raped in America every day. Do we have threads about that?


They feel safe. False sense of security. Everybody in India smiles and shakes your hand so easy to feel comfortable but let me tell you from experience they'll rob you blind and stab you in the back in an instant.

They have a billion people. Some are scumbags. We have those too.

[tod evans]

Does this deserve a thread in general politics? American women are raped in America every day. Do we have threads about that?


Don't ya' know it's our job as "Muricans" to protect the world?

Especially the women and children...........Don't you love the children?...

//s//

[klamath]

Does this deserve a thread in general politics? American women are raped in America every day. Do we have threads about that?



They have a billion people. Some are scumbags. We have those too.
Having never been to india I can't say what the real rate of rape is there but it is trendy for the news to report on every rape now.

[Pericles]

I said permanent residents, not citizens. As your source says, an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, for example a tourist, cannot legally receive or possess firearms and/or ammunition.

Generally true, but not always - from same source:

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
-

REVISED ATF F4473 (APRIL 2012 EDITION)




Q1. Who is a nonimmigrant alien?



A1. Generally, “nonimmigrant aliens” are tourists, students, business travelers, and temporary workers who enter the U.S. for fixed periods of time; they are lawfully admitted aliens who are not lawful permanent residents.I

In order to meet the definition of a nonimmigrant alien, the individual MUST hold a nonimmigrant visa. The definition does NOT include permanent resident aliens, aliens legally admitted to the U.S. with a visa other than a nonimmigrant visa, or aliens legally admitted to the U.S. without a visa.




Q2. How does the reinterpretation of the Gun Control Act’s firearms disabilities for certain nonimmigrant aliens impact nonimmigrant aliens?



A2. There is no change with respect to nonimmigrant aliens who were admitted under a nonimmigrant visa. The interpretation of the Gun Control Act affects aliens who are lawfully in the United States without a nonimmigrant visa. Nonimmigrant aliens lawfully admitted to the United States without a visa (e.g. Visa Waiver Program),


will not be prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing firearms or ammunition, provided that they meet State of residency requirements and are not otherwise prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing firearms.



Q3. May a nonimmigrant alien who has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant alien visa purchase or possess a firearm in the U.S.?



A3.An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is not prohibited from purchasing, receiving, or possessing a firearm if the alien falls within one of the following exceptions:

(1) is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued by the Federal Government, a State, or local government, or an Indian tribe federally recognized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, which is valid and unexpired

; (2) was admitted to the United States for lawful hunting or sporting purposes; (3) has received a waiver from the prohibition from the Attorney General of the United States; (4) is an official representative of a foreign government who is accredited to the United States Government or the Government’s mission to an international

organization having its headquarters in the United States; (5) is en route to or from another country to which that alien is accredited; (6) is an official of a foreign government or a distinguished foreign visitor who has been so designated by the Department of State; or (7) is a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business.

[I<3Liberty]

India needs to have some hardcore punishment for pedophiles and rapists. The amount of sexual assault going on in India, the US, and everywhere else is downright disgusting.