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Warlord
06-04-2013, 02:24 AM
Where's our member from UP Michigan? This is the spin...


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She was an American woman, who lived in suburban Michigan, so how did Nicole Lynn Mansfield, 33, end up dying in Syria, caught up in a conflict, thousands of miles away?

Her family, who live in Burton, near the town of Flint, still do not know the answer.

"Nicole Mansfield liked to travel," says her aunt, Monica Mansfield Speelman.

"She would say, 'I'm going to Ohio for a couple of weeks to visit some friends', and just take off, you never knew where Nicole was."

Monica had no idea her niece had even left the country, until she ran into Nicole's best friend and closest confidant at a store, a few weeks ago.

She misheard the destination, thinking it was South Africa, and thought nothing of it.

But Nicole was in fact in Syria, at the heart of a conflict, which has claimed thousands of lives.

Syrian state TV has broadcast images of her passport and driving licence, and the bullet-riddled car she was said to have been travelling in, with two other companions.

Syrian authorities say the three, including one Briton, were in the country fighting for the rebel forces.

"She was a peacemaker who always tried to make everyone happy, and I think she went over there and she got brainwashed," says Monica. "It's not in Nicole's nature to even think of throwing a grenade," she adds.
'Not weak-minded'

To say the past few days has been difficult for the family to comprehend is an understatement.

FBI officers visited them on Thursday to break the news of Nicole's death - ever since, the phone has been off the hook with journalists and concerned friends trying to get through.

As they sit out by a manicured lawn, with their pet dog Buster running around, Syria could not feel further away.

Burton, Michigan, is an economically deprived area, which has high unemployment. It is here that Nicole grew up, with dreams of becoming a nurse.

Her parents split up when she was young - her mother played no part in her upbringing, her father worked for General Motors.

Her grandmother Carole Mansfield, helped raise her.

Nicole was "not weak-minded, but gullible," Carole says. She believes it would have taken some time to persuade her granddaughter to leave for a place like Syria, and wonders whether a financial reward was offered.

"She wasn't a fighter, she'd stand and let some bully smack her in the face or kick her in the shins," she says.

"Not unless this all came about within the last six years and I didn't know about it. But don't ever say never with what your kids will do."
On edge

Nicole was raised as a Baptist, but converted to Islam four or five years ago.

Her immersion in her new faith took some adjusting to for the family, as Nicole began wearing a headscarf, attending a local mosque, and changed her email address to an Islamic name.

Her new-found faith coincided with a trip she made to Dubai. Nicole told her family she was going there to go to college and live in a penthouse, and that she was being taken care of financially.

But she returned after about six weeks.

What exactly happened during the visit is unclear.

"I think she had a hard time getting out of the country then, because she called my youngest daughter and said, 'If I'm not home by Friday call the US embassy', so I think she ran into something over there," says her grandmother Carole.

The trip concerned the family so much that Nicole's father called the FBI. Agents visited them, and made enquiries, but the family heard nothing more from the agency until this week, when they got the fateful knock on the door.

Her aunt Monica says Nicole became paranoid that the FBI was following her, and was sometimes on edge when she walked along a street. But just why Nicole felt she was a target is yet another unknown.

'Not a terrorist'

There are many gaps in Nicole's story in recent years, which the family are desperate to piece together - like her second marriage, to an Arab man, several years ago.

The family never went to the wedding, or met the groom, and believe the short-lived union was a marriage of convenience, purely for a green card.

When Nicole went away for a few months, she told her grandmother she had spent some time living with a Muslim family in Detroit, teaching them about America while she learnt about Islam. Again the details her family got were scant.

Her grandmother said Nicole barely talked about politics, but a video on YouTube appears to show her holding a placard at a pro-Palestinian rally.

Nicole's 18-year-old daughter Triana Lynn Mansfield knew more than most about about her mother's movements, and had spoken to her last week.

"My mother was not a terrorist," she wrote on her Facebook page. "She went there for a reason that is unknown. But believe this - she was forced to stay. She told me she would be back in a week."

But her mother never returned. And even she is unable to explain why Nicole made the long, treacherous journey from Michigan to Syria - one that she would never return from.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22745616

Warlord
06-04-2013, 02:27 AM
Her new-found faith coincided with a trip she made to Dubai. Nicole told her family she was going there to go to college and live in a penthouse, and that she was being taken care of financially.
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That sounds like some mid eastern security service was her handler... either Mossad, Qatar, the Saudi's or even MI6. all of whom have close links to Sheikh Mohammed the ruler of Dubai.

Dubai aint cheap place to live...

Constitutional Paulicy
06-04-2013, 07:58 AM
Hopefully more people like her will join them and disappear. The fewer the better. I find it impossible to sympathize with someone who makes life decisions like this. Seems to me she was looking for trouble and found it.

brandon
06-04-2013, 08:07 AM
Is there any compelling evidence she was not a CIA agent? Otherwise I will just assume she was.

lib3rtarian
06-04-2013, 08:25 AM
This is not rocket science. She converted to Islam, got brainwashed by all the American atrocities against Muslims, felt an urge to stand by her Muslim brethren, decide to blow herself up or something close to please Allah, got killed.

brandon
06-04-2013, 08:27 AM
I think Occam's razor supports the CIA theory over that^

Warlord
06-04-2013, 08:41 AM
This is not rocket science. She converted to Islam, got brainwashed by all the American atrocities against Muslims, felt an urge to stand by her Muslim brethren, decide to blow herself up or something close to please Allah, got killed.

Yes and I suppose the thousands of dollars needed to live in Dubai and travel to Syria came out of no where along with the mysterious husband none of her family met and who now has the right to remain in the US (is there ANY effort to track him down?)

RickyJ
06-04-2013, 08:47 AM
Is there any compelling evidence she was not a CIA agent? Otherwise I will just assume she was.

The CIA/Mossad may pay good, but many agents live short lives. What people do for mere dollars is amazing.

brandon
06-04-2013, 09:08 AM
What is this lady's history? Did she have a college degree? Other credentials that would make her a good CIA agent? How were her finances? Did she live well? Did she have a normal job? What is her work history?

jmdrake
06-04-2013, 09:39 AM
This is not rocket science. She converted to Islam, got brainwashed by all the American atrocities against Muslims, felt an urge to stand by her Muslim brethren, decide to blow herself up or something close to please Allah, got killed.

So....why did she go and fight on behalf of rebels that America is supporting?

Warlord
06-04-2013, 09:41 AM
What is this lady's history? Did she have a college degree? Other credentials that would make her a good CIA agent? How were her finances? Did she live well? Did she have a normal job? What is her work history?

I'm hoping our member from UP Mich who said he was asking questions will find out some info..

Also we need to know about the husband... her "recruiter" is on the loose, a potential "TERRORIST" on the loose in America... you'd think the so called security services would be interested in him?

pcosmar
06-04-2013, 09:46 AM
Where's our member from UP Michigan? This is the spin...


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She was an American woman, who lived in suburban Michigan, so how did Nicole Lynn Mansfield, 33, end up dying in Syria, caught up in a conflict, thousands of miles away?
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I had posted in another thread that fell off the page.

Someone was "Handling" her.. but it is not clear who. And you do not leave without permission,, so someone (govt) knows.

I am just curious how many more there are.

pcosmar
06-04-2013, 09:50 AM
I'm hoping our member from UP Mich who said he was asking questions will find out some info..

Also we need to know about the husband... her "recruiter" is on the loose, a potential "TERRORIST" on the loose in America... you'd think the so called security services would be interested in him?

I got about just that far.. Family seems to know little,, but did mention a Syrian Project.. I suspect recruited in one of the many ME community groups.

Seems as someone easily manipulated.. Hired as cannon fodder and perhaps PR purposes.

Warlord
06-04-2013, 09:53 AM
I got about just that far.. Family seems to know little,, but did mention a Syrian Project.. I suspect recruited in one of the many ME community groups.

Seems as someone easily manipulated.. Hired as cannon fodder and perhaps PR purposes.

Does she have a marriage certificate? find the husband he's on the loose about to terrorize UP Mich!

pcosmar
06-04-2013, 10:01 AM
Does she have a marriage certificate? find the husband he's on the loose about to terrorize UP Mich!


Least of my worries,, We have DHS, Border Patrol, State police, DNR and more that are a Clear and Present danger.

thoughtomator
06-04-2013, 10:31 AM
her "recruiter" is on the loose, a potential "TERRORIST" on the loose in America... you'd think the so called security services would be interested in him?

They're probably interested in keeping him on the payroll.

Brian4Liberty
06-04-2013, 10:39 AM
Nicole told her family she was going there to go to college and live in a penthouse, and that she was being taken care of financially.

Most of the time, that would mean mistress, concubine, prostitute, etc. It's big business in Dubai.

Constitutional Paulicy
06-04-2013, 10:55 AM
Most of the time, that would mean mistress, concubine, prostitute, etc. It's big business in Dubai.

That was my first thought as well.

kcchiefs6465
06-04-2013, 11:49 AM
That was my first thought as well.
Why would they need to go all the way to middle Michigan to find a whore?

There would undoubtedly be places closer and cheaper than flying some random woman from Michigan half-way around the world.

pcosmar
06-04-2013, 02:44 PM
Why would they need to go all the way to middle Michigan to find a whore?

There would undoubtedly be places closer and cheaper than flying some random woman from Michigan half-way around the world.

There is a very Large Middle Eastern population in Lower Michigan. I have no doubt that there are recruiters of every sort down there.

I also doubt that this girl was the only one.. Just the first one killed with a drivers license on her.
Most of the Opposition is Foreign Fighters that are hired cheap. And only paid as long as they survive.

Brian4Liberty
06-04-2013, 02:51 PM
Why would they need to go all the way to middle Michigan to find a whore?

There would undoubtedly be places closer and cheaper than flying some random woman from Michigan half-way around the world.

The buyer was tired of women from the former Soviet Union and the Czech Republic? No doubt there would either be a premium or niche market for Americans.

tangent4ronpaul
06-05-2013, 01:13 AM
"Nicole's 18-year-old daughter Triana Lynn Mansfield"

so pregnant at 13, had a kid at 14... WOW!

-t