Would you support granting asylum to Syrian Christians?

[Cutlerzzz]

There are 2.5 million of them and they're in danger.

Would you support granting them Asylum?

[enhanced_deficit]

As far as lip service goes, I will once in while talk about plight of Syrian Arab Christians.

But offering them refuge in the US is a big NO NO. It doesn't work like this.


Although there is evidence of great accomplishements by people with Syrian heritage, famed Apple guru Steve Jobs who led one of the largest and most innovative business enterprises in the US was son of a Syrian Arab man.


But if we invade or sponsor civil war there, all of them are welcome and they should be settled in neighborhoods of all Congress members/WH occupants who supported war in Syria. By extension, same refuge offer in the US to all the Iraqi arab refugees exiled due to Iraq freedom invasion.

[gwax23]

Yes all of them

but of course ideally the government shouldnt be the one to decide but since that isnt the case then yes all of them.

[Tywysog Cymru]

I think they should be allowed to stay in the US, and become citizens.

[enhanced_deficit]

Yes all of them

but of course ideally the government shouldnt be the one to decide but since that isnt the case then yes all of them.

If government can decide to invade or instigate/fund civil war in a foreign country, it can certainly offer refuge to those who need it as a result. This is universal law of owning up results of our actions.

[jkr]

if they want to be americans well ( our definition OF COURSE)...sure

if they want to bring back the shit running them out of their country...hmmmmm NO



so who gets to decide that???


maybe we should have stuck with the tyrant we know...

[BlackTerrel]

Yes

[torchbearer]

PSA
if you want closed borders for Mexicans, but want to bring these people in- you are a hypocrite.

[enhanced_deficit]

This seems relevant here and may help people to give informed answer:


Syria in Danger of Replicating Christian Exodus in Iraq (http://www.christianpost.com/news/syria-in-danger-of-replicating-christian-exodus-in-iraq-93098/)
3 days ago – The World Evangelical Alliance's human rights ambassador has warned that Christians are being "chased from their homes" in Syria.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/syria-in-danger-of-replicating-christian-exodus-in-iraq-93098/

Christian exodus from Syria (http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/News/2514/32/Christian-exodus-from-Syria.aspx)
Ahram Online-May 9, 2013
Syria is believed to be the land from which Christianity spread to the four corners of the world, and it is home to a church dating back to the time ...


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?413729-How-America-Helped-Kill-Middle-Eastern-Christianity&p=5016723&viewfull=1#post5016723

[Southron]

No.

[JCDenton0451]

Yes all of them

but of course ideally the government shouldnt be the one to decide but since that isnt the case then yes all of them.

And I suppose you support granting asylum to Palestinian refugees too, all five million of them.;)

To answer the OP question, I see no reason to grant any of them asylum, because they're not being persecuted. Or, if our government is prepared to admit that Syrian rebels are persecuting Christians, it must stop sending weapons to them!

Simple as that.

[Cutlerzzz]

So, why do some say no?

[green73]

Only if they salute the heroes on Memorial Day.

[tod evans]

I could get behind trading one government employee or two welfare recipients for each refugee...

[Ender]

How about we get the %$^%&$* outta Syria and stop funding the rebels?

Then the Syrian Christians can take care of themselves.

[jmdrake]

Yes. And to pay for their resettlement confiscate the salaries and pensions of John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Barack Obama, Bob Corker and any other politician who's added to their misery by supporting Al Qaeda in Syria.

[Brian4Liberty]

Yes all of them

but of course ideally the government shouldnt be the one to decide but since that isnt the case then yes all of them.

Israel is next door and friendly to Christians. Why not relocate them there?

[Keith and stuff]

Document immigrants, make them pass an English test, make them pass a US History test, test them for disease, make them sign a wavier to never go on welfare, and finger print them, then let them in the US.

[Carlybee]

Just tell them to go to Mexico and come in through the back door like everyone else.

[enhanced_deficit]

Israel is next door and friendly to Christians. Why not relocate them there?

They did not provide refuge to a single Iraqi Christian fleeing Iraq war bloodbath, there is no reason to believe they would open doors for Syrian Christians looking for refuge.
Syria had opened its doors for many of the million or so Iraqi Christian refugees, unforunately many of them have to flee Syria violence now.

Not sure if it is historic Arab-Israel hostility or what other reason is behind such policy.

[TaftFan]

Israel is next door and friendly to Christians. Why not relocate them there?

They are pressed for space as it is.

[TaftFan]

We have federal lands. We have possessions. We can place them there.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Georgia, Jordan, U.A.E., Bahrain, Kuwait, Tunisia, Algeria, Mali, Niger, and Nigeria has PLENTY OF LAND for immigrants.

I say send them to Libya to rebuild the country destroyed by US/UN/NATO clown cart operations of theft/lies.

[enhanced_deficit]

They are pressed for space as it is.

They have been absorbing non-Christian Russian/European/US/Mideastern etc immigrants for decades, how is spece for them created? These are Arab Christian refugees in life and death situation that normally should be on top of list for any country.

Jewish immigration to Israel increases by almost 20% | JPost | Israel ... (http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Jewish-immigration-to-Israel-increases-by-almost-20-percent)www.jpost.com/.../Jewish-immigration-to-Israel-increases-by-almost-20-...‎
Sep 22, 2011 – This is a trend that has been increasing: Aliya is younger and better educated,“ Jewish Agency for Israel chairman Sharansky says.

[messana]

Why just Syrian christians?

[gwax23]

And I suppose you support granting asylum to Palestinian refugees too, all five million of them.;)

To answer the OP question, I see no reason to grant any of them asylum, because they're not being persecuted. Or, if our government is prepared to admit that Syrian rebels are persecuting Christians, it must stop sending weapons to them!

Simple as that.

Yes I am for open immigration so that goes for palestinians. (Unless you consider them different, please explain why)

Im sorry though did you have a point you where trying to make or just more nonsensical blather?


Israel is next door and friendly to Christians. Why not relocate them there?

Israel did let a lot of Lebanese Christians into Israel after their civil war. Actually Israel si the only country in the mid east with a growing christian population. Pesky zionists are clearly putting something in the water.

Anyhow as for the Syrian Christians I dont think they would want to go there. Bit of hostility between the two, unlike with the Lebanese christians.

[Cutlerzzz]

Why just Syrian christians?

I don't think the imaginary line should stop anyone, personally. But Syrian Christians are a hot issue right now, enough that I think it warranted it's own thread.

[enhanced_deficit]

Yes I am for open immigration so that goes for palestinians. (Unless you consider them different, please explain why)


If they are blockaded by Israel from leaving, how would you get them out of blockade?

Obama's puppet masters are apparently so heartless that they do not let travel outside even gifted Palestinian Christian/Muslim students who have won scholarships to study abroad or even within their own land in West Bank. That sounds pretty cruel on the surface at least (especially considering that Israel created Hamas to weaken Chrsitian/secular Palestinian groups).

US drops Gaza scholarships after Israel travel ban

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/oXh_6AJBHy_uEbdrklkymA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9Zml0O2g9Mjg-/http://l.yimg.com/os/152/2012/04/21/image001-png_162613.png (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrHiRC9kKVR238AMAEKewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTFiN2pzZDV yBG1pdANBcnRpY2xlIEhlYWQEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQXJ0a WNsZUhlYWQ-;_ylg=X3oDMTMzaHFhcTNwBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDZjhkZWZlYTItNmU3ZS0zYjNkLWE3ZWYtOWRhZGEyMT QyZTc3BHBzdGNhdAN3b3JsZHxtaWRkbGVlYXN0BHB0A3N0b3J5 cGFnZQ--;_ylv=0/SIG=116e25v72/EXP=1371014589/**http%3A//www.ap.org/)By LAUREN E. BOHN | Associated Press – Mon, Oct 15, 2012

JERUSALEM (AP) — Amal Ashour, 18, loves Shakespeare and American pop music. One of the brightest students in the Gaza Strip, she studied her senior year of high school in Minnesota through a U.S.-government funded program.
She had planned to study English literature this fall at a university in the West Bank through another U.S.-sponsored program, but just a month before school started, she was informed the scholarship was no longer available.
"When you live in Gaza, you're a pawn in a greater political game," she said in a telephone interview. "There's nothing we can do about it." She is now enrolled at Islamic University, a stronghold of Gaza's ruling Islamic militant Hamas.
Under Israeli pressure, U.S. officials have quietly canceled a two-year-old scholarship program for students in the Gaza Strip

http://news.yahoo.com/us-drops-gaza-scholarships-israel-travel-ban-062209499.html




Fulbright Scholars Trapped by Gaza Blockade

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Site/byline_abcnews.gif


By SIMON McGREGOR-WOOD and KIRIT RADIA (http://abcnews.go.com/author/kirit_radia)

JERUSALEM, May 30, 2008

Seven Palestinian scholars may lose their prized Fulbright scholarships to attend American universities because Israel won't let them out of the Gaza Strip.
The Palestinians are clearly angry at Israel for its refusal to let them leave, but they are also annoyed at the United States for not being able to influence its Mideast ally Israel to crack open its Gaza blockade just enough to let the seven students and their books out of the area.
"I am so disappointed with the U.S.," Abdulrahman Abdullah told ABC News today from the town of Rafah in the Gaza Strip. "They say they want to help us create a Palestinian state by the end of the year, and they can't get me a visa? I can't believe it."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=4964329&page=1#.UaWR_XfyvkI
(http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=4964329&page=1#.UaWR_XfyvkI)

Ironically, Obama's puppet masters are giving US residence to Gaza residents who spy for Israel. Message to Palestinians is that being gifted students/winning scholrships would not let you get in the US to study but spying for Israel is a ticket to the US.

[Carlybee]

So they can become like an immigrant I know who when I asked him if he was going to buy a house here said he couldn't because he didn't want to reveal how much money he really made because he might get his American"aid" cut off. Why do we have to be the police to the world and the asylum to the world? And why do we have to support people who come here with our tax dollars? Why do my tax dollars have to pay for uniformed policemen to patrol protests at foreign consulates here? That's what happened last month here when Venezuela had it's election. A few thousand people from Venezuela protesting on our streets with our cops and us paying for them to block traffic and fly Venezuelan flags. If they want to come here let them pay and go through the ridiculous DHS protocol just like my Canadian husband did when he immigrated here.(A 3 year process I might add) Otherwise let one of their own neighbors give them asylum. We can't even take proper care of our own returning veterans. We seem to be selectively humanitarian.

[Smart3]

Removing Christians from Lebanon didn't work, removing Christians from Turkey didn't work, removing Christians from Iran didn't work, removing Christians from Iraq didn't work, removing Christians from Egypt didn't work, removing Christians from Afghanistan didn't work, removing Christians from Libya didn't work, removing Christians from *insert any god damn country* didn't work.


STOP FLEEING PERSECUTION. Resist peacefully or suffer martyrdom for Jesus. By leaving a Muslim country you are renouncing Jesus.

[69360]

Sure some. I believe we have quotas of how many can come from each country per year. If they follow the existing immigration rules and path to citizenship they are welcome.

A mass influx of 2 million, absolutely not. We can't handle that.

[Debbie Downer]

Yes. And to pay for their resettlement confiscate the salaries and pensions of John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Barack Obama, Bob Corker and any other politician who's added to their misery by supporting Al Qaeda in Syria.

Confiscate their pensions? You mean the money that will be stolen at gunpoint from Americans in the future?

[torchbearer]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120423234539/gameofthrones/images/4/45/Qarth_walls.jpg

[Demigod]

Then you would be doing ethnic cleansing.In this case religious cleansing

[jkob]

How about we stop destabilizing their homeland by supporting terrorists that will persecute them that way they won't be refugees in the first place. For as evil as Assad is suppose to be, him and his father both supported freedom of religion and women's rights. Hafez al-Assad actually changed the constitution to allow non-Muslims to become president before being forced to change it back by the same islamists that are terrorizing Syria now.

[bolil]

That line there would be imaginary if crossing it didn't have real consequences.

[BlackTerrel]

How about we stop destabilizing their homeland by supporting terrorists that will persecute them that way they won't be refugees in the first place. For as evil as Assad is suppose to be, him and his father both supported freedom of religion and women's rights. Hafez al-Assad actually changed the constitution to allow non-Muslims to become president before being forced to change it back by the same islamists that are terrorizing Syria now.

I thought that the Islamists that are terrorizing Syria were foreigners. How did they get him to change the constitution?

[JCDenton0451]

Yes I am for open immigration so that goes for palestinians. (Unless you consider them different, please explain why)

Do you support open-borders for Israel too or just for America? Do you think that Israelis should rethink their racist immigration policy: allowing immigration only for the Jews, spouses of the Jews, and blood relatives of the Jews? Do you think they should allow Palestinian refugees?

You seem to care a great deal about Israel. Surely you have an opinion on this issue.

[Debbie Downer]

I thought that the Islamists that are terrorizing Syria were foreigners. How did they get him to change the constitution?

Hafez Al-Assad was president from 1971 until 2001. He's dead. His son Bashir is president now.

The terrorists are mainly Sunni Syrians who hate Assad for being Alawite Shia and ruling the country in a secular manner. They are supported and funded by other Sunnis, notably the Saudi theocratic dictators and al-Qaeda.

[Debbie Downer]

Do you support open-borders for Israel too or just for America? Do you think that Israelis should rethink their racist immigration policy: allowing immigration only for the Jews, spouses of the Jews, and blood relatives of the Jews? Do you think they should allow Palestinian refugees?

You seem to care a great deal about Israel. Surely you have an opinion on this issue.

He'll probably say something along the lines of "Israel needs a racist immigration policy to maintain its 'Jewish' identity so that there isn't a second holocaust."

[BlackTerrel]

Hafez Al-Assad was president from 1971 until 2001. He's dead. His son Bashir is president now.

The terrorists are mainly Sunni Syrians who hate Assad for being Alawite Shia and ruling the country in a secular manner. They are supported and funded by other Sunnis, notably the Saudi theocratic dictators and al-Qaeda.

That goes against what most here are saying: that the people fighting Assad are all foreigners and the Syrian population supports Assad.

[Debbie Downer]

That goes against what most here are saying: that the people fighting Assad are all foreigners and the Syrian population supports Assad.

There definitely are a lot of foreigners fighting...on both sides. Assad has Iranian and Lebanese fighting on hs side and the rebels have Sunnis from across the Muslim world fighting with them. The rebels are also financed by Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and various terrorist organizations.

[compromise]

I went with some of them. The productive ones like Amash's family who can contribute to our country should be able to come. Those who will just become dependent should not be allowed in. Also, anyone affiliated with the Assad regime should not be allowed in.

[gwax23]

Do you support open-borders for Israel too or just for America? Do you think that Israelis should rethink their racist immigration policy: allowing immigration only for the Jews, spouses of the Jews, and blood relatives of the Jews? Do you think they should allow Palestinian refugees?

You seem to care a great deal about Israel. Surely you have an opinion on this issue.

You need to read a book or too. Israel doesnt restrict non jewish immigration it only has a process known as the law of return which speeds up jewish immigration. Its based on a immigration concept called 'Jus sanguinis' which is employed by many countries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis

There are well over 300k foreign workers (Probably more now this is an old figure) in Israel plus 50k more non jewish refugees (Primarily from Sudan) this is a lot for a small country.

As for Israel, there where very open borders between the West Bank, gaza, and Israel prior to oslo accords and the intifadas. A huge percentage of the palestinian population commuted to and worked in Israel on a daily basis, and many Israelis commuted and worked in the West Bank and Gaza.

But anyway why is it in every thread I post in you need to bring up Israel? If anything you seem to care a lot about it. If your trying to find some inconsistency in my thinking, well Ill save you the trouble, there isnt any. Further my opinions on Israel are irrelevant.

[pcosmar]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Israels-newest-PR-weapon-The-Internet-Megaphone
http://notmytribe.com/2009/israels-internet-megaphone-psychological-war-propaganda-machine-is-now-being-used-against-notmytribe-86129.html

It works quite well.
Type any "key words" on a forum or blog,, or in comments to any story and watch the results.

[kcchiefs6465]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Israels-newest-PR-weapon-The-Internet-Megaphone
http://notmytribe.com/2009/israels-internet-megaphone-psychological-war-propaganda-machine-is-now-being-used-against-notmytribe-86129.html

It works quite well.
Type any "key words" on a forum or blog,, or in comments to any story and watch the results.
Must spread some rep around.

Was not aware of that.

[Wooden Indian]

Perhaps with a sponsor here in the U.S. I'd be fine (not that it should be any of my business) with a neighbor sponsoring and giving asylum to an immigrant... regardless of religon or race. But, I shouldn't be forced to pay for them via the welfare system or government housing.

If "the people" want them here... why say no? But "the people" and not the Federal Gubmint better be the ones paying their tab until they can do it on their own. Churches could set up a sponsor system for the refugees for example.

[kcchiefs6465]

Perhaps with a sponsor here in the U.S. I'd be fine (not that it should be any of my business) with a neighbor sponsoring and giving asylum to an immigrant... regardless of religon or race. But, I shouldn't be forced to pay for them via the welfare system or government housing.

If "the people" want them here... why say no? But "the people" and not the Federal Gubmint better be the ones paying their tab until they can do it on their own. Churches could set up a sponsor system for the refugees for example.
I would be okay with that. As it stands though, no. We should have never been involved in Syria to begin with. Maybe the Christian vote will wake the hell up next time they're advocating for these interventionist politicians. The only good thing that could possibly come from this.

It's a shame.

[Lucille]

If Congress can legalize 30 million undocumented Democrats with the stroke of a pen, why not MENA Christians too?

[gwax23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Israels-newest-PR-weapon-The-Internet-Megaphone
http://notmytribe.com/2009/israels-internet-megaphone-psychological-war-propaganda-machine-is-now-being-used-against-notmytribe-86129.html

It works quite well.
Type any "key words" on a forum or blog,, or in comments to any story and watch the results.

Figures no actual response. But those seem like nifty little tools. Never heard of them, and Im not really interested though.

[TaftFan]

Rand Paul needs to introduce a bill to do this ASAP.

Shoot, Amash should too. He is a Syrian Christian after all.