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compromise
05-28-2013, 03:14 PM
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/471577/20130527/ukip-tories-deal-farage-caemron.htm

David Cameron is said to be "furious" after it emerged that leading Tories are to hold talks with Ukip over an electoral pact that could see Nigel Farage offered a cabinet post following the next general election.

Senior Conservatives are to defy the prime minister in an effort to broker a deal with Ukip leader Farage, and senior figures from both sides are reportedly on the verge of reaching a deal.

Top of the agenda at the "rogue summit", scheduled for next month, will be discussions on how the two parties could form a coalition government.

Reacting to the revelations, a spokesman for Conservative Central Office said the party was "firmly against any party agreement with Ukip at a national level."

Some Tory MPs, who are approaching retirement, are even said to be planning to stand aside to make way for Ukip candidates at the general election in 2015.

The meeting with Ukip figures is being arranged by influential Tory thinktank the Bow Group, whose president is former prime minister Sir John Major, himself no fan of the Eurosceptics.

Conservative Grassroots, which represents local constituencies, is keen on entering talks after the party's rank and file were left aliented by comments from a senior Tory dismissing the party's own membership as "mad, swivel-eyed loons".

Conservative Grassroots chairman Bob Woolard took Cameron to task earlier this month, upset at the prime minister's determination to legalise Gay Marriage, and his inability to secure an EU referendum before the next election.

Ukip has said it cannot work with the Tories until the party appoints a new leader.

"We'll explore all options," said Bow Group chairman Ben Harris-Quinney. "We will discuss the possibility of an electoral pact and the form that might take."

Harris-Quinney raised the possibility of Tory constituency associations agreeing not to oppose Farage's party in seats where it believed Ukip stood a better chance.

He intimated that, were a deal to be reached, he could deliver at least two Ukip seats, including one for Farage.

"If they are elected there could be a coalition between Ukip and Conservatives," he said. "I imagine Nigel Farage would ask for a Cabinet position in return."

Backbench Tories are also floating the possibility of candidates standing on a joint Tory-Ukip "dream ticket", following changes in electoral law that allow candidates to be endorsed by more than one party.

Some Labour candidates are also thought to be open to the idea of sharing a platform with Ukip, with anger mounting at New Labour's shift to the right under Tony Blair, and what has been seen as "uncontrolled" immigration under Blair's administration.

Among the speakers expected to attend the June "summit" are Tory MP Douglas Carswell and Ukip's South East region chairman Roger Bird.

A Ukip spokesman said: "Conservative associations are welcome to back our candidates."

Dozens of Tory MPs fear they could lose their seats if the right-wing vote is split by Ukip.

Education secretary Michael Gove endeared himself to many Tory rebels after claiming he would vote "No" to Britain's continuing membership of the EU were there to be a referendum tomorrow.

However his claims were derided by analysts, who pointed out that such a poll was meaningless, given the Tories' lack of a parliamentary majority.

Their collation partners the Lib Dems are firmly opposed to such a move.

A spokesman for the Conservative party said: "At a national level, the Conservatives are firmly against any party agreement with Ukip. At a council level it is a local deicison."

Warlord
05-28-2013, 03:15 PM
I told you... should listen to Warlord!

Everything addressed here in detail:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?415661-Nigel-Farage-has-hired-bodyguards

compromise
05-28-2013, 03:18 PM
I told you... should listen to Warlord!

Everything addressed here in detail:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?415661-Nigel-Farage-has-hired-bodyguards

That article doesn't really talk about the event in particular.

It would be cool if this event was somehow streamed or recorded.

Warlord
05-28-2013, 03:19 PM
It's going to be closed door stuff.

You should read Warlord's analysis

Debbie Downer
05-28-2013, 03:23 PM
Backbench Tories are also floating the possibility of candidates standing on a joint Tory-Ukip "dream ticket", following changes in electoral law that allow candidates to be endorsed by more than one party.

Ah,so they changed the law. I was under the impression that fusion tickets were not allowed, only electoral alliances.

Warlord
05-28-2013, 03:24 PM
Ah,so they changed the law. I was under the impression that fusion tickets were not allowed, only electoral alliances.

DREAM TICKET!

enhanced_deficit
05-28-2013, 03:27 PM
There is growing resentment against recent illogical and self-defeating policies of UK government that UKIP is benefiting from.

On a side note, they need to keep distance from groups like these that could aim to sabotage UKIP electoral appeal. There is news today that UK Veterans Heroes group returned EDL's donation because they see it as tainted money.

EDL's Tommy Robinson Endorses Ukip: 'They Are Saying Exactly ... (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/04/04/edls-tommy-robinson-endorses-ukip-_n_3014019.html)

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/.../ (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/.../)edls-tommy-robinson-endorses-ukip-_n_3...‎
Apr 4, 2013 – The leader of far-right group, the English Defence League (EDL), has urged supporters to vote for the UK Independence Party in the next ...

Warlord
05-28-2013, 03:29 PM
Nothing to worry about. UKIP are vetting their candidates and members a lot more heavily these days.

I am sure they will take any groups support and even seek it but they wont let anyone join or run as candidates

compromise
05-28-2013, 03:32 PM
EDL are closely affiliated with the US anti-Islam movement.

EDL leader with Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/img/gus_802/2012/10/15/Robinson-Spencer-Geller.jpg

compromise
05-28-2013, 03:35 PM
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8143/7628282446_6eaa371db3_z.jpg

Alexandra Swann is a self-described "anarcho-capitalist" who was previously involved with the youth wing of the Conservatives, she will be on UKIP's European Parliament list in 2014.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/mar/04/ukip-young-face

However, she is known for her libertine lifestyle. She stripped off while drunk at a Conservative youth party and has had "close" relationships with Conservative MPs for whom she worked:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article138805.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/p-14-image-3-151302484.jpg

Debbie Downer
05-28-2013, 03:37 PM
EDL are closely affiliated with the US anti-Islam movement.

EDL leader with Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/img/gus_802/2012/10/15/Robinson-Spencer-Geller.jpg

Yeah, the formerly anti-Semitic neonazis have now shifted to being pro-Israel and anti-Muslim instead in the UK.

enhanced_deficit
05-28-2013, 03:37 PM
EDL are closely affiliated with the US anti-Islam movement.

EDL leader with Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/img/gus_802/2012/10/15/Robinson-Spencer-Geller.jpg

That might be slightly damaging but real damaging for anyone linked to EDL wouild be sightings of Nazi salutes that are being reported in EDL rallies now and then.

compromise
05-28-2013, 03:40 PM
Yeah, the formerly anti-Semitic neonazis have now shifted to being pro-Israel and anti-Muslim instead in the UK.

The BNP are still strongly opposed to Zionism.

Debbie Downer
05-28-2013, 03:46 PM
The BNP are still strongly opposed to Zionism.

They've removed all anti-Zionist points from their foreign policy page: http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/foreign-affairs

enhanced_deficit
05-28-2013, 03:49 PM
However, she is known for her libertine lifestyle. She stripped off while drunk at a Conservative youth party and has had "close" relationships with Conservative MPs for whom she worked:



That kind of Libertine thinking alone would put her on my next buddy's bachelor party invite list.

But unless she sopke out against costly UK invasions, abuse of civil libertties, blowback risks from torture, killings etc, she has some learning to do before being a real libertine.

Warlord
05-28-2013, 03:50 PM
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8143/7628282446_6eaa371db3_z.jpg

Alexandra Swann is a self-described "anarcho-capitalist" who was previously involved with the youth wing of the Conservatives, she will be on UKIP's European Parliament list in 2014.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/mar/04/ukip-young-face

However, she is known for her libertine lifestyle. She stripped off while drunk at a Conservative youth party and has had "close" relationships with Conservative MPs for whom she worked:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article138805.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/p-14-image-3-151302484.jpg

They're probably taking advantage of her. Warlord's spies tell him rural England can be an incestuous place

Warlord
05-28-2013, 03:52 PM
They've removed all anti-Zionist points from their foreign policy page: http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/foreign-affairs

There's more money, donations and invites to international conference's in being anti-Islam rather than anti-Semitic. The Zionists are probably courting them to promote the clash of civilizations which they of course dream of wining to rule for all eternity.

compromise
05-28-2013, 04:05 PM
They've removed all anti-Zionist points from their foreign policy page: http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/foreign-affairs
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3116/british_national_party_warns_beware_ukip_zionists
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100177567/the-strange-death-of-bnp-england/
https://twitter.com/nickgriffinmep/status/295909231134142464
https://twitter.com/nickgriffinmep/status/295908168477839362
https://twitter.com/nickgriffinmep/status/296257605796507648
https://twitter.com/nickgriffinmep/status/302871565547225088
https://twitter.com/nickgriffinmep/status/338229887288606720

Griffin, like the Le Pens, also has a anti-Israel voting record in the European Parliament.

wetroof
05-28-2013, 04:15 PM
I think UKIP is more free market oriented compared to BNP. from wikipedia:

In its 2005 manifesto, the BNP opposed "globalism, international socialism, laissez-faire capitalism and economic liberalism".[15] The BNP rejects the notion of Thatcherism and "submitting to the dictates of the international marketplace" which "has no loyalty to this country".[15] The BNP has claimed that it is possible for a national economy to thrive outside of the laissez-faire model, pointing to 21st century examples such as Japan, South Korea and Singapore.[15] The BNP claims that, while immigration increases the aggregate GNP by providing cheap labour, it decreases the per-capita GNP, which the BNP claims is most representative of the economic well-being of British people.

what exactly is the meaning of the "outside of the laissez-faire model" and examples such a Japan etc ?

compromise
05-28-2013, 04:19 PM
They're probably taking advantage of her. Warlord's spies tell him rural England can be an incestuous place

Probably. Since her defection to UKIP she's most likely stayed away from them, though, as she became a staffer in Brussels instead of Westminster, where she was with the Tories.

compromise
05-28-2013, 04:21 PM
I think UKIP is more free market oriented compared to BNP. from wikipedia:

In its 2005 manifesto, the BNP opposed "globalism, international socialism, laissez-faire capitalism and economic liberalism".[15] The BNP rejects the notion of Thatcherism and "submitting to the dictates of the international marketplace" which "has no loyalty to this country".[15] The BNP has claimed that it is possible for a national economy to thrive outside of the laissez-faire model, pointing to 21st century examples such as Japan, South Korea and Singapore.[15] The BNP claims that, while immigration increases the aggregate GNP by providing cheap labour, it decreases the per-capita GNP, which the BNP claims is most representative of the economic well-being of British people.

what exactly is the meaning of the "outside of the laissez-faire model" and examples such a Japan etc ?

It means socially authoritarian, fiscally socialist nationalism. The BNP are a Third Positionist/Strasserist political party. From a libertarian point of view, UKIP are much better.

ReasonableThinker
05-28-2013, 04:22 PM
Yeah, the formerly anti-Semitic neonazis have now shifted to being pro-Israel and anti-Muslim instead in the UK.


I'm pretty sure the EDL has always been Philo-Semitic. You're probably confusing it with the BNP.

compromise
05-28-2013, 04:28 PM
I'm pretty sure the EDL has always been Philo-Semitic. You're probably confusing it with the BNP.

He's probably referring to the fact that the EDL were originally a more moderate BNP splinter group. The EDL's leader was previously a member of the BNP, as were many of the early EDLers.

enhanced_deficit
05-28-2013, 04:46 PM
I'm pretty sure the EDL has always been Philo-Semitic. You're probably confusing it with the BNP.

Not in real sense but on the surface they have a pseudo alliance with a handful of rabbis/supporters that are seen as "extremists" within jewish community. This funny EDL-Rabbi Schiffrn clip does not tell the full story but there maybe some good commentaries online on this strange dynamic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZllmhZR__A

Warlord
05-28-2013, 04:54 PM
As I said some Zionists want a blood soaked clash of civilizations (which they see as winning and crushing their opponents) and so ally with these groups. They're nuts of course!

gwax23
05-28-2013, 05:15 PM
The BNP economic policy is based on protectionism and economic nationalism (Central planning) hardly free market like UKIP.