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Warlord
05-27-2013, 11:05 AM
Drudge: US THREATENS BRITAIN NOT TO LEAVE EU...

The Obama administration has warned British officials that if the UK leaves Europe it will exclude itself from a US-EU trade and investment partnership potentially worth hundreds of billions of pounds a year, and that it was very unlikely that Washington would make a separate deal with Britain.

The warning comes in the wake of David Cameron's visit to Washington, which was primarily intended as a joint promotion of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) with Barack Obama, which the prime minister said could bring £10bn a year to the UK alone, but which was overshadowed by a cabinet rebellion back in London.

The threat by Cameron's ministers to back a UK exit in a referendum on the EU raised doubts in Washington on whether Britain would still be part of the deal once it had been negotiated. More immediately, Obama administration officials were concerned that the uncertainty over Britain's future would further complicate what is already a hard sell in Congress, threatening a central pledge in the president's State of the Union address in February.

With formal negotiations expected to start within weeks, the state department already has hundreds of staff working on the partnership. Sources at US-UK meetings in London last week said American officials made it clear that it would take a monumental effort to get TTIP through a suspicious Congress and that "there would very little appetite" in Washington to do it all again with the UK if Britain walked out of Europe.

"Having Britain in the EU … is going to strengthen the possibility that we succeed in a very difficult negotiation, as it involves so many different interests and having Britain as a key player and pushing for this will be important," a senior US official said. "We have expressed our views of Britain's role in the EU and they haven't changed. TTIP negotiations underscore why we think it's important that it continues."

US officials say that the White House is particularly perplexed because Britain played a key role in persuading Obama to stake significant political capital on the ambitious transatlantic partnership. If it is successful it could be the biggest trade and investment deal in history, encompassing half the world's GDP and a third of its trade.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/may/27/eu-exit-risks-us-trade-deal?CMP=twt_fd

FrankRep
05-27-2013, 11:08 AM
Background on the US-EU Partnership:


1989 - The United States of Europe (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/15360-united-states-of-europe)

2013 - Secretly Trading Away Our Independence (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/15296-secretly-trading-away-our-independence)

2009 - EU-U.S. Integration: Unattractive Union (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/8432-eu-us-integration-unattractive-union)

2013 - CFR Applauds European Union's "Real Subversion of Sovereignty" (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/15185-cfr-applauds-european-union-s-real-subversion-of-sovereignty)

2011 - EU Creates "Dictatorship" Under Guise of Financial Stability (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/8872-eu-creates-dictatorship-under-guise-of-financial-stability)

2012 - Europe Must Further Centralize Fiscal Power, Claims Fed Boss Bernanke (http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics/item/12398-europe-must-further-centralize-fiscal-power-claims-fed-boss-bernanke)

2013 - Obama Pushing Trans-Atlantic Union with EU (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/14612-obama-pushing-trans-atlantic-union-with-eu)

Warlord
05-27-2013, 11:18 AM
So presumably Frank you want the UK to secede so the trade deal collapses?

I'm pretty sure it wont be a proper 'free' trade deal. More like a 'managed' trade deal. There's simply too many interests and they will all feel threatened.

Though I suppose if it lowers tariffs then it'll be a net win.

FrankRep
05-27-2013, 11:33 AM
So presumably Frank you want the UK to secede so the trade deal collapses?

I'm pretty sure it wont be a proper 'free' trade deal. More like a 'managed' trade deal. There's simply too many interests and they will all feel threatened.

Though I suppose if it lowers tariffs then it'll be a net win.

Government-managed trade is not "Free Trade."

Warlord
05-27-2013, 11:39 AM
Government-managed trade is not "Free Trade."

That's what I just said wasn't it?

Whatever they sign will have so many exemptions, quotas and god knows what else in there and be so complex it will basically be worthless.

Though if it does manage to lower tariffs then that's a good thing.

ClydeCoulter
05-27-2013, 12:02 PM
Stop being so goddamn pushy, Obama & congress.

Seraphim
05-27-2013, 12:09 PM
Succession = game over for the NWO.

They will back billions to the wall and let the firing squads have their way should it be required to quell dissent.

We may be 10-30 years away from that but the picture is becoming more clear. Dissent, intellectual and physical, will not be tolerated.

Bombs for the nations that resist, then firing squads for the remaining individuals.

compromise
05-27-2013, 12:53 PM
I support some free trade agreements. If Obama can get a good deal, I'm for it.

Root
05-27-2013, 12:56 PM
Government-managed trade is not "Free Trade."


I support some free trade agreements. If Obama can get a good deal, I'm for it.
Wait wha? :confused:

FrankRep
05-27-2013, 01:02 PM
Managed Trade Is Not Free Trade (http://fff.org/explore-freedom/article/managed-trade-free-trade/)

Laurence M. Vance
July 11, 2011

As libertarians have long pointed out, trade agreements like the Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) and organizations like the World Trade Organization (WTO) are not free-trade agreements and organizations. Rather, they are managed-trade agreements and organizations that abdicate power to an international body, and in direct violation of the Constitution. As Congressman Ron Paul stated,



We don’t need government agreements to have free trade. We merely need to lower or eliminate taxes on the American people, without regard to what other nations do. Remember, tariffs are simply taxes on consumers. Americans have always bought goods from abroad; the only question is how much our government taxes us for doing so.

CAFTA and other international trade agreements do not represent free trade. Free trade occurs in the absence of government interference in the flow of goods.
....



Ron Paul on phony Free Trade deals like the TransPacific Partnership (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JZA0OFgs50)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JZA0OFgs50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JZA0OFgs50

compromise
05-27-2013, 01:04 PM
Wait wha? :confused:

Rand Paul and Justin Amash supported free trade agreements with Panama, Columbia and South Korea. Free trade agreements aren't perfect, but they're better than high tariffs.

FrankRep
05-27-2013, 01:06 PM
Rand Paul and Justin Amash supported free trade agreements with Panama, Columbia and South Korea. Free trade agreements aren't perfect, but they're better than high tariffs.

Ron Paul, however, is against Government-managed trade. Real "Free Trade" don't need "Free Trade Agreements"

jtstellar
05-27-2013, 01:42 PM
a pretty direct assault against ukip there the majority of whose platform is to first leave the EU.. i see some mega crony welfare queens based in UK whose dole comes from the EU coming to obama and beg for help with some tough talk

ravedown
05-27-2013, 01:56 PM
I'm looking forward to Nigel's response to this article.

S.Shorland
05-27-2013, 02:00 PM
F.ck America!

FrankRep
05-27-2013, 02:01 PM
I'm looking forward to Nigel's response to this article.

Nigel Farage is not a fan of the European Union. See below.


UKIP Nigel Farage MEP - European Union and its Communist roots (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSDQe3kMkXQ)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSDQe3kMkXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSDQe3kMkXQ


UKIP Nigel Farage MEP: "This EU is the New Communism. It is Power without Limits." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RjUJy7kDOM)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RjUJy7kDOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RjUJy7kDOM

Warlord
05-27-2013, 02:04 PM
The EU is the new communism.

Nigel is terrific!

VIDEODROME
05-27-2013, 02:09 PM
Nigel Farage is not a fan of the European Union. See below.




no shit

surf
05-27-2013, 03:34 PM
Drudge: US THREATENS BRITAIN NOT TO LEAVE EU...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/may/27/eu-exit-risks-us-trade-deal?CMP=twt_fdit's like not letting the poor folks out of steerage as the Titanic was sinking

Warlord
05-27-2013, 04:12 PM
it's like not letting the poor folks out of steerage as the Titanic was sinking

Surprise: Despot Obama does not support secession.

I wonder how this will go down with the British newspapers tomorrow? Stay tuned.

compromise
05-27-2013, 04:41 PM
Ron Paul, however, is against Government-managed trade. Real "Free Trade" don't need "Free Trade Agreements"

Real free trade isn't going to happen for a long time. Government managed trade with lower tariffs > government managed trade with higher tariffs.