Ron Paul: "The Real Meaning of President Obama’s National Security Speeches"

[sailingaway]

This past Thursday and Friday, President Obama delivered two speeches designed to outline his new thinking on national security and counter-terrorism. While much was made in the media of the president’s statements at the National Defense University and the US Naval Academy suggesting that the most active phase of US military action overseas was coming to an end, this “new” approach is but the same old policy wrapped in new packaging. In these addresses, the president panders to the progressives, while continually expanding and solidifying the "enabling act” principle.

The president will continue and even expand drone attacks overseas because they are “less deadly” than ground invasions. He promises to be more careful in the future.

He is entertaining the introduction of “kill courts” which will meet in secret to decide who is to be executed without trial or charge. He promises these will have sufficient oversight.

He will seek a new and updated Authorization for the Use of Military Force to expand his legal authority to wage war wherever and whenever he wants. He promises it will one day be repealed.

He will continue to indefinitely detain at Guantanamo individuals who have been neither charged nor convicted of any crime, and who cannot even be tried because they were tortured and thus the evidence is tainted. He promises to “commit to a process of closing GTMO.”

The speech speaks of more war and more killing and more interventionism all masked in the language of withdrawal.

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Ron Paul ‏@RonPaul 4h
My comments on Obama's recent speeches -- only at my Ron Paul Institute site:
http://tinyurl.com/qfqp7o5

https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/338359742219046912

[Christian Liberty]

This just proves Ron Paul is a million times a better person than I could ever be. Not only is he out there fighting for liberty every day, but he actually listened to the speech. My gut reaction would have just been "Nothing to see here, he's a traitor and should be sentenced as such, AGAIN" without actually listening to the speech.

[sailingaway]

This just proves Ron Paul is a million times a better person than I could ever be. Not only is he out there fighting for liberty every day, but he actually listened to the speech. My gut reaction would have just been "Nothing to see here, he's a traitor and should be sentenced as such, AGAIN" without actually listening to the speech.

I'd read the transcript.

In fact, in this case I did. I can't bear listening to and watching the posturing, though. I understand the protest was kinda good, with code pink yelling about Awlaki's 16 year old son, and so forth....

[satchelmcqueen]

"the posturing"? do you mean how obama says "uhh um" 1000 times? do you mean how he looks left at 45deg, then right 45deg, then back down to his paper, then starting all over again? me as well if so.
I'd read the transcript.

In fact, in this case I did. I can't bear listening to and watching the posturing, though. I understand the protest was kinda good, with code pink yelling about Awlaki's 16 year old son, and so forth....

[ClydeCoulter]

Seems he pretty well nailed it.
I like his April 16th write-up, it counters the Obama speech well:
The Coming Non-Intervention Revolution
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2013/april/16/the-coming-non-intervention-revolution.aspx

[sailingaway]

Seems he pretty well nailed it.
I like his April 16th write-up, it counters the Obama speech well:
The Coming Non-Intervention Revolution
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2013/april/16/the-coming-non-intervention-revolution.aspx

I love that, I don't remember posting that, I'll check and make sure someone didn't already though, before I post it. Or really, you should since you pulled it up.

[sailingaway]

bump

[BenIsForRon]

First, thanks for posting. I hear the speech itself and forget to look for any response from people like Ron and Glen Greenwald. In the moment, I actually thought the speech was OK insofar as it seemed to be encouraging debate on war authorization powers and whatnot. But as you go back and think about it, Obama really is trying to sweet talk progressives into accepting Bush-style permanent war policy.

Second... important articles like this really should go in General Politics. I don't check "grassroots central" anymore given that Dr. Paul has retired from politics, and I know most of the rest of the forum is in the same boat.

[Carson]

He himself sets a new precedent?

This sounds very dangerous and if I was in his position that last sort of thing I would want to get started. It's a big world out there. Love they neighbor and all. They could be sending his love right back.

"He is entertaining the introduction of “kill courts” which will meet in secret to decide who is to be executed without trial or charge. He promises these will have sufficient oversight."

So his, right?


"set a precedent

to establish a pattern; to set a policy that must be followed in future cases." (http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/set+a+precedent)




Thank goodness the military is now authorized to interven in the laws inside of the country?

U.S. Military ‘Power Grab’ Goes Into Effect-Pentagon Unilaterally Grants Itself Authority

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?414487-U-S-Military-%91Power-Grab%92-Goes-Into-Effect-Pentagon-Unilaterally-Grants-Itself-Authority

"The U.S. military is prohibited from intervening in domestic affairs except where provided under Article IV of the Constitution in cases of domestic violence that threaten the government of a state or the application of federal law."

"Federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances."

[Carson]

This just proves Ron Paul is a million times a better person than I could ever be. Not only is he out there fighting for liberty every day, but he actually listened to the speech. My gut reaction would have just been "Nothing to see here, he's a traitor and should be sentenced as such, AGAIN" without actually listening to the speech.


I reach for my remote like the Brady Bunch has just come on.

[sailingaway]

First, thanks for posting. I hear the speech itself and forget to look for any response from people like Ron and Glen Greenwald. In the moment, I actually thought the speech was OK insofar as it seemed to be encouraging debate on war authorization powers and whatnot. But as you go back and think about it, Obama really is trying to sweet talk progressives into accepting Bush-style permanent war policy.

Second... important articles like this really should go in General Politics. I don't check "grassroots central" anymore given that Dr. Paul has retired from politics, and I know most of the rest of the forum is in the same boat.

I'll copy it there, but Ron does a lot of stuff that doesn't go in general politics, he is on sort of a lull now except for podcasts and his Texas Straight Talk but is supposed to be doing something 'big' this summer (recognizing that was Lew Rockwell's description and he thinks anything Ron does is big.)

It has also been on the front page since yesterday.

[Anti Federalist]

What the president does not seem to understand is that we do not have the money to build schools, upgrade education, modernize economies, and encourage entrepreneurship overseas at a time when our national debt is $16 trillion. And besides, isn’t it a deeply flawed idea that the US government can achieve all of these remarkable results overseas when we know what a disaster these big government undertakings have produced at home? What we reject at home as Soviet-style central planning is fully embraced as effective foreign policy overseas. Should it really be the US government’s role to “modernize economies” or “encourage entrepreneurs” anywhere? Those are activities best left to the private sector, whether here at home or in far off lands.

President Obama’s speech is not at all what it seems. It is a call for more empire and more power to the executive branch. The president promises that “this war, like all wars, must end.” Unfortunately the war on the American taxpayer never seems to end. But end it will, as we are running out of money.

[HOLLYWOOD]

National Security has ALWAYS been the propaganda of big government dictators/statists. It's controlling every aspect of society, maintain complete power and to eliminate freedoms for all with the exception of government themselves.

All one has to do is review that history...
Hitler's Nazi Germany, Stalin's Soviet Union, Zadong's People's Communist China and a slew of radical Marxists

catchy phrases such as:

Chairman Mao Zedong's, "Great Leap Forward"

Vladimir Lenin's publication, “Vpered" aka Forward!

Friedrich Engels and Leon Trotsky "Vorwaerts” aka "Forward"

Karl Marx, Mikhail Bakunin's "Forward"

These guys wrote the books on National Security controlled State, Propganda, Force... Obama/Washington spitin policies from all those ghosts of the past.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KUbTCNKYR94/T61syImbwFI/AAAAAAAACUo/2naII6vzt88/s1600/Forward_Obama_Lenin_lemming.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=RpLi250Dwsf6jM&tbnid=a3Cn0GQJ3DZ1nM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fteresamerica.blogspot.com%2F2012% 2F05%2Fdeconstructing-forward-campaign-slogan.html&ei=dWWiUcGwCuafiALk14DQAg&psig=AFQjCNFbMLPjl00pjWM8MkwyxlHpAojMFg&ust=1369683701202520)

[Carson]

I'll copy it there, but Ron does a lot of stuff that doesn't go in general politics, he is on sort of a lull now except for podcasts and his Texas Straight Talk but is supposed to be doing something 'big' this summer (recognizing that was Lew Rockwell's description and he thinks anything Ron does is big.)

It has also been on the front page since yesterday.

Personally I kind of like finding this stuff in Grassroots Central. Anything Ron Paul has touched on seems appropriate there.


Next election is about 3 years away. Do we have anyone nearing a thirty year track record of fathering concepts for America? Or would it be Caretaker of American concepts?

[enhanced_deficit]

This just proves Ron Paul is a million times a better person than I could ever be.

I'm inclined to agree with you but I don't want to offend you by doing so :)

[Warlord]

National Security has ALWAYS been the propaganda of big government dictators/statists. It's controlling every aspect of society, maintain complete power and to eliminate freedoms for all with the exception of government themselves.

All one has to do is review that history...
Hitler's Nazi Germany, Stalin's Soviet Union, Zadong's People's Communist China and a slew of radical Marxists

catchy phrases such as:

Chairman Mao Zedong's, "Great Leap Forward"

Vladimir Lenin's publication, “Vpered" aka Forward!

Friedrich Engels and Leon Trotsky "Vorwaerts” aka "Forward"

Karl Marx, Mikhail Bakunin's "Forward"

These guys wrote the books on National Security controlled State, Propganda, Force... Obama/Washington spitin policies from all those ghosts of the past.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KUbTCNKYR94/T61syImbwFI/AAAAAAAACUo/2naII6vzt88/s1600/Forward_Obama_Lenin_lemming.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=RpLi250Dwsf6jM&tbnid=a3Cn0GQJ3DZ1nM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fteresamerica.blogspot.com%2F2012% 2F05%2Fdeconstructing-forward-campaign-slogan.html&ei=dWWiUcGwCuafiALk14DQAg&psig=AFQjCNFbMLPjl00pjWM8MkwyxlHpAojMFg&ust=1369683701202520)

Love your posts lately Hollywood..

Did you get my message?

[muh_roads]

Somebody needs to change that bright red to a different color on his Twitter. It is blinding.