Kokesh Arrested

[better-dead-than-fed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEyoLaWMDB0

Mod edit:


Originally Posted by JK/SEA
From a facebook post:

''If you are trying to call to inquire about Adam's status at the Federal facility in Pennsylvania - you need to have his inmate ID number, or you will wait on hold forever, and then they will not talk to you. The number is: 215-521-4000 (wait a few seconds, then press 0). They will ask for his inmate ID, which is 69371-066. If you don't have that number, they will refer you to the WRONG website to obtain it. It is a stalling mechanism.''

[asurfaholic]

so whats the story? I watched it. When did it happen? What are charges? Why does the crowd just let the police arrest him?

[sailingaway]

so whats the story? I watched it. When did it happen? What are charges? Why does the crowd just let the police arrest him?

That's what happened when Brent Stafford was arrested just because he was regrouping the improperly ejected MO caucus as well. They go for the guy leading. Whatever comes next will have less media than what was being planned, and less of a head of steam, they hope.

At least I presume that is their reasoning.

[compromise]

I think most of us knew it would happen at some point.

[better-dead-than-fed]

so whats the story? I watched it. When did it happen? What are charges? Why does the crowd just let the police arrest him?

I believe it happened ten minutes ago at a weed rally. I have no other details.

[fr33]

I think most of us knew it would happen at some point.
Well sure because a lot of us have been arrested at some point. It's always bound to happen.

[asurfaholic]

I think most of us knew it would happen at some point.

I did as well, but that doesn't make it right. I am just wondering what was going on out there, I cant find any info on it ATM...

[better-dead-than-fed]

I learned about it on Twitter here:

https://twitter.com/kennethlipp

The guy who tweeted it was at the rally and uploaded the video, I think.

[Lucille]

Earlier:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/604175_10151401868236260_1128360412_n.jpg


Who doesn’t want to own themselves (https://twitter.com/adamkokesh/status/335862359182692352)? Who doesn’t want to be free? Who doesn’t want to meet their fellow human beings with the love, faith, and respect that is essential to maintaining a free society? Government is this vestigial organ of social violence soon to be amputated and cast aside as the useless, horrid, puss-filled leach that it is.

[John F Kennedy III]

So he got arrested for smoking weed?

[better-dead-than-fed]

So he got arrested for smoking weed?

Your mileage may vary but I didn't see him smoking anything, and I did see others smoking something.

[fr33]

I imagine they probably witnessed him smoking weed at some point then swooped in right when he was speaking.

[Christian Liberty]

What did he do?

[Root]

I'm pretty sure NJWeedman was in the front row smoking.

[WhistlinDave]

He may not have even smoked anything; they can probably invent some charge just to make an example of him, like conspiracy to incite freedom while respectably dressed.

[better-dead-than-fed]

Adam has been arrested and is in jail in Philly... I can personally testify that he hadn't even smoked yet... everyone please phone bomb the philly police and jail phone lines and demand adam be released amd able to make contact with us... other protesters were actually smoking and released after arrest but adam was taken away in a white chevy suburban... phone bomb them now!!! --- Brother Lucas

https://www.facebook.com/ADAMVSTHEMAN/posts/10151402203186260

ETA: feds love their suburbans

[Aratus]

So he got arrested for smoking weed?

I am trying not to ask too many questions myself... but if I had to guess...

[pcosmar]

Another angle


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NTHBC6JOc4M#!

Looks like they targeted him specifically. A preemptive arrest perhaps.

[PatriotOne]

Cointel Kokesh arrested? I'm okay with that :).

[Aratus]

his 2nd amendment gun totin' rally for good ole d.c must have the feds swarming all over him.
even parading around on july 3rd with some toy waterpistols an' the like has the feds very edgy.

[pcosmar]

What did he do?

He spoke up. :(

[Barrex]

Cointel Kokesh arrested? I'm okay with that :).

If that wasnt a joke.... then you are very scary person.





So since it is weekend he will probably be there till Monday.?!

[kcchiefs6465]

If that wasnt a joke.... they you are very scary person.





So since it is weekend he will probably be there till Monday.?!
Yes, he will see the judge Monday.

And something tells me Patriotone is not joking. You have to be a real bitch to wish anyone jail. Hopefully Adam is out as soon as possible.

[Peace&Freedom]

Cointel Kokesh arrested? I'm okay with that :).

The fact that he was arrested is straightforward evidence that he is not Cointelpro. Real provocateurs (whom I have witnessed in person at NY marijuana rallies) always set other people up for arrest, while the authorities give the provocateurs a pass.

[PatriotOne]

And something tells me Patriotone is not joking. You have to be a real bitch to wish anyone jail. Hopefully Adam is out as soon as possible.

He was asking for it. Why would I feel sorry for him? He knew he was going to be arrested. Now we are all suppose to get up in arms about it? That's dumb.

[Aratus]

so... they think they found some stems and weed seeds in the hip pocket on his blue jeans?
as in one hundredth of an ounce thereto of? also a few zigzag sheets? methinks if there is
any justification or truth to the basic charge? bill clinton once proved you can get stoned
on someone else's hashish smoke if you strategically position yourself inside a hippie group.

[asurfaholic]

He was asking for it. Why would I feel sorry for him? He knew he was going to be arrested. Now we are all suppose to get up in arms about it? That's dumb.

Wait, when did he ask for it? Is standing up and telling people to stand up for their freedom considered asking for arrest? Do you wish imprisonment on everyone who is actually willing to stand up against the oppressive state?

[PatriotOne]

The fact that he was arrested is straightforward evidence that he is not Cointelpro. Real provocateurs (whom I have witnessed in person at NY marijuana rallies) always set other people up for arrest, while the authorities give the provocateurs a pass.

Not really. Cointel pro doesn't always work for the police department. They might not know a damn thing about Adam. Now if he ends up with a long prison sentence then you might have a case.

[green73]

He was asking for it. Why would I feel sorry for him? He knew he was going to be arrested. Now we are all suppose to get up in arms about it? That's dumb.

MLK was asking for it too I suppose.

[green73]

Not really. Cointel pro doesn't always work for the police department. They might not know a damn thing about Adam. Now if he ends up with a long prison sentence then you might have a case.

What makes you think he's Cointel?

[PatriotOne]

Wait, when did he ask for it? Is standing up and telling people to stand up for their freedom considered asking for arrest? Do you wish imprisonment on everyone who is actually willing to stand up against the oppressive state?

They were committing an illegal act by smoking weed (whether you agree with the law or not doesn't matter). I don't know if Kokesh was smoking at the time but he seemed to be one who was leading the activities since he had the microphone.

So yeah. Wouldn't you expect to get arrested if you lit up a joint in front of the police where it is illegal? I would. Unless Kokesh is retarded, he expected it also.

[TheTexan]

What makes you think he's Cointel?

Because he disagrees with Adam's methods and therefore he must be cointel

[pcosmar]

They were committing an illegal act by smoking weed

They weren't arrested.
And "they" have been having "Smoke downs" regularly.

And by the accounts of several witnesses Adam was not smoking.

he was targeted and dragged out of the crowd.

[better-dead-than-fed]

They were committing an illegal act by smoking weed (whether you agree with the law or not doesn't matter). I don't know if Kokesh was smoking at the time but he seemed to be one who was leading the activities since he had the microphone.

So yeah. Wouldn't you expect to get arrested if you lit up a joint in front of the police where it is illegal? I would. Unless Kokesh is retarded, he expected it also.

Anyone with a microphone is COINTEL and should be seized by the government? Just to make sure I understand your reasoning?

[Keith and stuff]

If he smoked weed in front of a cop then he is a known drug user and federally banned from having a gun.

[JK/SEA]

he'll be kept in custody till 7/6.

[sailingaway]

Another angle


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NTHBC6JOc4M#!

Looks like they targeted him specifically. A preemptive arrest perhaps.


I'm sure this is about march on washington not weed. They know arresting him on the march would get much bigger headlines and automatic conservative support from huge factions, even those who are law and order types, typically. Weed is less sympathetic.

[PatriotOne]

he was targeted and dragged out of the crowd.

Of course he was. He had JUST walked off stage. He was up on stage next to the speaker inciting the dumbasses to light up joints illegally seconds before he was arrested. He made a target of himself. Can't believe people are shocked about Kokesh being arrested....lol.

[sailingaway]

If he smoked weed in front of a cop then he is a known drug user and federally banned from having a gun.

someone posted on facebook that as a fact he hadn't smoked that day. Obviously, not having been there myself....

[WhistlinDave]

On his Fedbook page:


Adam has been arrested and is in jail in Philly... I can personally testify that he hadn't even smoked yet... everyone please phone bomb the philly police and jail phone lines and demand adam be released amd able to make contact with us... other protesters were actually smoking and released after arrest but adam was taken away in a white chevy suburban... phone bomb them now!!! --- Brother Lucas

And then about a hundred comments asking for the phone number. (Duh, Lucas! LOL) Here are some of the phone #s given by others:

215-686-8686
215-686-3280 Non-emergency
215-686-3007 9th district (?)
215-686-1234 "Rotary"

https://www.facebook.com/ADAMVSTHEMAN/posts/10151402203186260

[sailingaway]

Of course he was. He had JUST walked off stage. He was up on stage next to the speaker inciting the dumbasses to light up joints illegally seconds before he was arrested. He made a target of himself. Can't believe people are shocked about Kokesh being arrested....lol.

being arrested for standing on stage next to someone is a new criminal charge I hadn't seen on the books before.

[Aratus]

he'll be kept in custody till 7/6.

they are on the verge of saying it was some high quality hashish
he was "bogarting" rather than the local marijuana that has only
a bit more THC than wild hemp plants? he just might have to be
moneybomb liberated by us on France's Bastille Day at this rate!

[PatriotOne]

Anyone with a microphone is COINTEL and should be seized by the government? Just to make sure I understand your reasoning?

Yeah...that's exactly what I said. You win a prize. Here's your T-shirt.


http://i40.tinypic.com/2v0ieev.jpg

[Barrex]

Of course he was. He had JUST walked off stage. He was up on stage next to the speaker inciting the dumbasses to light up joints illegally seconds before he was arrested. He made a target of himself. Can't believe people are shocked about Kokesh being arrested....lol.

No one is shocked that he is arrested. People, well most of us, are not happy because he is arrested. Another human being that didnt hurt anyone or anything is thrown in cage and people (at least few of us) are shocked that you "are ok with that.:D"...yes you are ok with that with a smiley.

[better-dead-than-fed]

Of course he was. He had JUST walked off stage. He was up on stage next to the speaker inciting the dumbasses to light up joints illegally seconds before he was arrested. He made a target of himself. Can't believe people are shocked about Kokesh being arrested....lol.

So standing next to someone "inciting" people to smoke weed makes him COINTEL and should be seized by the gov. Alrighty then.

[PatriotOne]

being arrested for standing on stage next to someone is a new criminal charge I hadn't seen on the books before.

Yeah...that's what happened. You win a prize also.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2v0ieev.jpg

[sailingaway]

Reminder: attacks are against TOS.

[JK/SEA]

Looks like someone is trying to make Kokesh a martyr. Works for me.

Damn..i live in the Pacific Northwest. Its a long way to DC via car. Thats the only reason i haven't committed to going to the gun rally....i got one foot inside the car door now...

[better-dead-than-fed]

Might want to put the videos on P2P before police come to your homes and confiscate your copies.

[PatriotOne]

No one is shocked that he is arrested. People, well most of us, are not happy because he is arrested. Another human being that didnt hurt anyone or anything is thrown in cage and people (at least few of us) are shocked that you "are ok with that.:D"...yes you are ok with that with a smiley.

I'm not okay with people who smoke pot being thrown in jail unless they are a bunch of dumbasses being useful idiots for cointel pro. Kokesh is cointel pro and not a dumbass so I hope he gets the book thrown at him.

[JK/SEA]

I'm not okay with people who smoke pot being thrown in jail unless they are a bunch of dumbasses being useful idiots for cointel pro. Kokesh is cointel pro and not a dumbass so I hope he gets the book thrown at him.

cointelpro?....thats your opinion. Nothing else.

[sailingaway]

Looks like someone is trying to make Kokesh a martyr. Works for me.

Damn..i live in the Pacific Northwest. Its a long way to DC via car. Thats the only reason i haven't committed to going to the gun rally....i got one foot inside the car door now...

Unfortunately it is on the wrong issue. Which is why they didn't want to make him a martyr on what I am sure is the real reason they were stalking him, the DC march.

Alex Jones said he was going on that. That would have been highly publicized. Wonder if AJ is still going?

[pcosmar]

This was the rally last month,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRLSSMZj0aw

Wasn't arrested then.
In fact from what I can find,, this was the Fifth one in Philly. And a good crowd of folks.
Police were not targeting the crowd of smokers.

[JK/SEA]

Unfortunately it is on the wrong issue. Which is why they didn't want to make him a martyr on what I am sure is the real reason they were stalking him, the DC march.

Alex Jones said he was going on that. That would have been highly publicized. Wonder if AJ is still going?

problem is, this 'arrest' is transparent. It will only serve to inflame sympathizers.

[pcosmar]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2v0ieev.jpg

You really need a new shirt.

[JK/SEA]

You really need a new shirt.

i thought stupid was spelled with 2 'O's'...?

[sailingaway]

problem is, this 'arrest' is transparent. It will only serve to inflame sympathizers.

It will not serve to wake up those concerned with the 2d amendment and govt tyranny as an arrest on the DC march might have done, however.

[JK/SEA]

It will not serve to wake up those concerned with the 2d amendment and govt tyranny as an arrest on the DC march might have done, however.

hard to say at this point. Keep an eye on the attendee count on facebook.

[Aratus]

i thought stupid was spelled with 2 'O's'...?

it usually is, and sometimes there is the words I'M WITH preceding it...

[Brian4Liberty]

Video from an earlier event:

http://youtu.be/axE83zcx6wY

[pcosmar]

Video from an earlier event:

http://youtu.be/axE83zcx6wY
404 not found.

I posted one from last month.

[JK/SEA]

according to a post on facebook, he's been released.

[WhistlinDave]

according to a post on facebook, he's been released.

I think that's disinformation. I'm seeing posts on Kokesh's page (from other people) saying he was/is being taken to a Federal detention center for not having any ID on him. Here is a post from a few minutes ago:


reliable vetted info from a reliable source Nathan Cox:
LISTEN UP FOLKS, Adam Kokesh friends, family and supporters.
Adam Kokesh of AdamVsTheMan has been taken captive NOT by the Philly Police but by Federal PARK POLICE. I just spoke with a woman in the Park Police (215-597-7077) who spoke with her supervisor for me.
Her supervisor said that the Park Police have taken him to 401 NORTH 21st Street which is the 9th District. They do NOT have Positive ID on him right now and if they can't get positive ID within the next 30-45 minutes they will be taking him to a near by FEDERAL DETENTION Center.
I was told that if people go to that location they MIGHT be able to help get him out (possibly by ID'ing him.. IDK)

So the 9th District's # is: 215-686-3090
If you are on the ground up there you need to SURROUND that building IMMEDIATELY.
MELT the phone lines.

No idea how accurate this is, just passing it along.

[sailingaway]

I think that's disinformation. I'm seeing posts on Kokesh's page (from other people) saying he was/is being taken to a Federal detention center for not having any ID on him. Here is a post from a few minutes ago:



No idea how accurate this is, just passing it along.

federal makes more sense if it is really about the march.

[Brian4Liberty]

Looks like FEMA camp or Guantanamo for Adam...

[Barrex]

Dave Dutro Hey I got his bail money right here someone help me I have called every number and THE PIGS WON'T TELL ME ANYTHING THEY ARE HDING HIM IN THEIR SYSTEM AND REFUSING TO GIVE OUT PUBLIC INFOMATION. SOMEONE FROM KOKESHS STAFF HIT ME UP



2 characters tyranny.

[pcosmar]

according to a post on facebook, he's been released.

Not that I can tell.
But this just posted at Live Leak.


reliable vetted info from a reliable source Nathan Cox:
LISTEN UP FOLKS, Adam Kokesh friends, family and supporters.
Adam Kokesh of AdamVsTheMan has been taken captive NOT by the Philly Police but by Federal PARK POLICE. I just spoke with a woman in the Park Police (215-597-7077) who spoke with her supervisor for me.
Her supervisor said that the Park Police have taken him to 401 NORTH 21st Street which is the 9th District. They do NOT have Positive ID on him right now and if they can't get positive ID within the next 30-45 minutes they will be taking him to a near by FEDERAL DETENTION Center.
I was told that if people go to that location they MIGHT be able to help get him out (possibly by ID'ing him.. IDK)

[Uriel999]

well golly gee....just a couple months before his planned wave making protest in DC!

[Aratus]

the national PARK service nabbed him for the wacky toe-backie weed he sometimes smokes becuz the smell lingers on cloth?

[Aratus]

we may have to get him identified and bailed out before they ship him to a lil camp on the big denali park that is near mt. mckinley

[Brian4Liberty]

Very possible that they want to get him now, so that they can threaten him with severe penalties for future protests. Setting the precedence to call him a repeat offender later.

[pcosmar]

Very possible that they want to get him now, so that they can threaten him with severe penalties for future protests. Setting the precedence to call him a repeat offender later.
As i recall, he has been arrested before,, for speaking against the war, and for dancing in public.

[better-dead-than-fed]

This is not about me.... If anything should happen to me... it will be of no consequence.... If I were to die tomorrow, someone else will take my place on Independence Day....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f3NT9hSRBQ&feature=youtu.be&a

[pcosmar]

Don't worry everyone. Adam will be quite popular and probably get special privileges in prison.



Someone as ignorant as you should not even talk about prison,, or anything you know nothing about.

[silverhandorder]

Whats your problem? Don't like him? Go make your own thread about it and get ignored as you should be. Fucking crazy conspiracy nut troll.

[satchelmcqueen]

THIS is what i think also. they got him. they may have stamped out the march on the 4th. but who says it wont happen afterwards?
he'll be kept in custody till 7/6.

[Aratus]

agreed

[pcosmar]

THIS is what i think also. they got him. they may have stamped out the march on the 4th. but who says it wont happen afterwards?

Who says it won't happen anyway. He is not the only believer in the 2nd Amendment.

This may even bring more.

[silverhandorder]

Who says it won't happen anyway. He is not the only believer in the 2nd Amendment.

This may even bring more.

A smarter way would be just to wait until the release him and do it then. Will make this tactic obsolete.

[Professor8000]

I'm pretty sure that Adam's attendance will not effect the march. His captivity will likely increase its popularity.

[WhistlinDave]

The march will still happen without him. And I think it would be better to have it happen on the 4th with or without him, to show them this tactic won't work.

I called again, and this time informed them of who I am -- a freelance writer for the Los Angeles Times who covers Constitutional law issues and government abuses of Constitutional rights -- and I'm trying to get some information for a story I'm working on about the arrest of protester Adam Kokesh... *click* Hung up on me as soon as I said his name.

I called back, and got a busy signal for a long time, then finally got through to a different officer who told me "I can't give you any information, that's his private business, and if you want to know you need to speak with him after we release him. So please stop calling." Then he hung up. Called right back and got the same guy, and he did not want to give me a statement on behalf of the department or direct me to anyone who could.

I hope they realize that arresting him is kind of like when Obi Wan said to Vader, "If you strike me down, I will only become more powerful."

[Aratus]

this all has alex jones marching by his lonesome as he is surrounded by the other marchers

[better-dead-than-fed]

Impressed by the eloquence of Kokesh's detractor.

[Working Poor]

Don't worry everyone. Adam will be quite popular and probably get special privileges in prison.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2yvkzvd.jpg

wtf is this a picture of?

[Aratus]

i am not sure if its

photoshopped and smutty

or just simply smutty

[wizardwatson]

I hope they realize that arresting him is kind of like when Obi Wan said to Vader, "If you strike me down, I will only become more powerful."

I think I just vomited in my mouth a little.

If they shot Ghandi and Martin Luther King and nobody did jack, I doubt the liberty movement in it's current state would have more than a fraction of a second blink before it clicked "new posts".

Kokesh is an almost nobody and my opinion is that most of the people rooting for him are the same kinds of people who watch nascar to see tons of steel hurled into the audience.

[PatriotOne]

i am not sure if its

photoshopped and smutty

or just simply smutty

Adam posted it on his own facebook page soooooooooo..........

https://www.facebook.com/ADAMVSTHEMAN/photos_stream

I just added the gay pornstar part of course.

[Aratus]

if this thread goes into Hot Topics, could we send the rude one from today also into Hot Topics
where I opinion how gay J.Edgar actually was? its the "macbird" bisexual LBJ one... given that
the second thread about the HISTORY CHANNEL has less said in it about poor potus JFK's death...
and Warlord tends to prefer it over the 11 a.m one with the same short video. PatriotOne is not
fond of Adam Kokesh's bold attempts at activism, Pat1 thinks Adam is hiding a salary from our IRS.

[sailingaway]

Who says it won't happen anyway. He is not the only believer in the 2nd Amendment.

This may even bring more.

It would if it hit media as 'guy who had highly publicized second amendment march on DC planned arrested to forestall event' rather than 'guy arrested at weed rally'.

[PatriotOne]

PatriotOne is not
fond of Adam Kokesh's bold attempts at activism, he thinks Adam is hiding a salary from our IRS.

The IRS? I never said that.

[Aratus]

dude... be logical... all agent provocateurs
who have to travel about domestically should
file tax returns if having big wads of money

[WhistlinDave]

Your right. I feel really bad now. Let me help. Feel free to print up hundreds of these posters and go march against Kokesh getting arrested intentionally.


Dude, that's actually his own bicep and forearm. It's not porn. (Sorry to disappoint you.)

[pcosmar]

It would if it hit media as 'guy who had highly publicized second amendment march on DC planned arrested to forestall event' rather than 'guy arrested at weed rally'.

In case it is lost on anyone,, weed is becoming mainstream. Voters are voting to legalize it all across the country.

"Reefer Madness" is now largely recognized as a dumb joke.
it does not have the negative connotations it once did. Except for the truly authoritarian fascists. (methinks they are the minority)

[silverhandorder]

Haha I never seen someone with so much hate.

[WhistlinDave]

I think I just vomited in my mouth a little.

If they shot Ghandi and Martin Luther King and nobody did jack, I doubt the liberty movement in it's current state would have more than a fraction of a second blink before it clicked "new posts".

Kokesh is an almost nobody and my opinion is that most of the people rooting for him are the same kinds of people who watch nascar to see tons of steel hurled into the audience.

No, my point was, if they are arresting him to try to suppress the march on the 4th, it's not going to work. It's only going to get more people riled up and involved even if he can't attend.

ETA: I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but this forum is but a small fraction of the "Liberty Movement" and some of the posters here are its least active observers and armchair commentators. (Speaking of which, I think you're overdue to hit that "new posts" button.)

[PatriotOne]

Hey! What happened to my Free the Gay Pornstar poster? How will people be able to protest Adam's arrest without it? Did you delete it SA? You at least have to admit he looks like a gay pornstar there and proud of it :p.

[pcosmar]

Haha I never seen someone with so much hate.

I have.. Foam and spittle spraying,, Raving like a lunatic.

not a pretty sight.

[Aratus]

if Adam has any illegal slush fund, whether from a PAC or "uncle sam"
gettin' the IRS to NOT look into the quasi~legal monies has to be carefully
done. if the national park service has a cesna fleet domestically akin to
cia's jets and cargo planes that are overseas, poor adam may be darn close
to mount McKinley in Alaska as we speak. I am serious about denali...

[PatriotOne]

Dude, that's actually his own bicep and forearm. It's not porn. (Sorry to disappoint you.)

No shit Sherlock. But it looks soooooooooooooooooo gay.

[PatriotOne]

I have.. Foam and spittle spraying,, Raving like a lunatic.

not a pretty sight.

Actually I'm amused. Gotta admit it's kind of funny sometimes to see how some people are so easily fooled by cointel pro. Usually it worries me, today I am amused by it.

[Barrex]

Hey! What happened to my Free the Gay Pornstar poster? How will people be able to protest Adam's arrest without it? Did you delete it SA? You at least have to admit he looks like a gay pornstar there and proud of it :p.

So it would be ok to post your picture, or picture of your daugther, with words WHORE OF BABYLON?

Do unto others....

[sailingaway]

In case it is lost on anyone,, weed is becoming mainstream. Voters are voting to legalize it all across the country.

"Reefer Madness" is now largely recognized as a dumb joke.
it does not have the negative connotations it once did. Except for the truly authoritarian fascists. (methinks they are the minority)

that isn't the point. There will be a lot more ACTIVE support for Adam if it is seen as forstalling the march. I would suggest it be put in those terms in comments and discussions.

[sailingaway]

So it would be ok to post your picture, or picture of your daugther, with words WHORE OF BABYLON?

Do unto others....

Yeah. I'm trying to come up with a better reason to explain banning her than 'she offended my sense of basic decency to someone arrested in a fight for liberty.'. I'll let you know if I come up with one.

[sailingaway]

if Adam has any illegal slush fund, whether from a PAC or "uncle sam"
gettin' the IRS to NOT look into the quasi~legal monies has to be carefully
done. if the national park service has a cesna fleet domestically akin to
cia's jets and cargo planes that are overseas, poor adam may be darn close
to mount McKinley in Alaska as we speak. I am serious about denali...

I think the man has little money, and lives on what he makes.

[Aratus]

I really doubt that Adam is on a gov't payroll...

he's NOT 1960s mockingbird era, he's just an

angry war vet. I can remember seeing the poor

vets who went to 'nam begging for a few dimes

and quarters on the streets of boston in the 80s.

[pcosmar]

Yeah. I'm trying to come up with a better reason to explain banning her than 'she offended my sense of basic decency to someone arrested in a fight for liberty.'. I'll let you know if I come up with one.

Insulting forum members.
And I did not flag it, but do find it offensive. I am neither Gay nor phobic. and have no idea of Adams inclination.
I have lived in Prison though,, and find the reference offensive.

[Aratus]

if I say I gave those poor guys some of my pocket change
when I was very unemployed and daily taking the subway
to the Copley Square public library, then you know why I
hope Adam has a better life than those poor vets the system
forgot after the wars end in 1975. I tried to be charitable...

[wizardwatson]

ETA: I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but this forum is but a small fraction of the "Liberty Movement" and some of the posters here are its least active observers and armchair commentators. (Speaking of which, I think you're overdue to hit that "new posts" button.)

I think it's a good sample of the overall movement. And you only confirm my basic position by saying "active observer" and "armchair commentator" which is that the vast majority of participants are engaging in a spectator sport.

[kcchiefs6465]

I think it's a good sample of the overall movement. And you only confirm my basic position by saying "active observer" and "armchair commentator" which is that the vast majority of participants are engaging in a spectator sport.
Are you going to DC?

[MelissaCato]

WTF is the latest ? I keep getting bounced around on the phones !!

Gezzzuz I'm not going to be able to sleep !!!

[better-dead-than-fed]

I have no problem with her being allowed to post here. If she comes up with any evidence to support her accusations against Kokesh, I'd like to see it. In the meantime, her tantrum seems inconsequential.

[Aratus]

maybe I might be in D.C in 2015 if I win a senate seat in up here in 2014

[Aratus]

Are you going to DC?

hopefully by November of 2014... if I win a senate race up here...
I will be living some of the year NEAR d.c if I don't use Amtrak...

[sailingaway]

I have no problem with her being allowed to post here. If she comes up with any evidence to support her accusations against Kokesh, I'd like to see it. In the meantime, her tantrum seems inconsequential.

you expect gay porn star evidence? Because I think she made it up as the worst thing in her view she could think of to say.

[silverhandorder]

Forums is a spectator sport. Anyone that is not a spectator is out there doing something. And doing something does not mean politically.

[Aratus]

j. edgar hoover was homosexual

[kcchiefs6465]

you expect gay porn star evidence? Because I think she made it up as the worst thing in her view she could think of to say.
Shows her immaturity.

If I ever took a post of hers seriously before, I don't now.

[Aratus]

Julius Caesar promiscuously slept with more men and women than Augustus Caesar did.
he may even have been Augustus Caesar's biological father. Poor Adam is 100% straight.

[fr33]

No shit Sherlock. But it looks soooooooooooooooooo gay.

homophobe: check

police state supporter: check

[Aratus]

Julius Caesar also indulged himself in orgies better than did Augustus Caesar.
read either PLUTARCH or SUETONIUS. lil Gus was a Roman prude and killjoy.

[wizardwatson]

Are you going to DC?

No because I think the strategy is horrible.

[kcchiefs6465]

No because I think the strategy is horrible.
Oh.

From your tone I assumed you were.

[wizardwatson]

Oh.

From your tone I assumed you were.

It's ok.

[Aratus]

I might be coaxed into going to either Baltimore or Richmond that day, but no further

[John F Kennedy III]

He was asking for it. Why would I feel sorry for him? He knew he was going to be arrested. Now we are all suppose to get up in arms about it? That's dumb.

What's wrong with exercising your human rights?

[LibertyEagle]

The picture came from Adam's own Facebook. If he didn't want it seen, he wouldn't have posted it. So, if any of you have a problem with it, go tell Adam.

[better-dead-than-fed]

you expect gay porn star evidence? Because I think she made it up as the worst thing in her view she could think of to say.

I don't expect her to come up with evidence, but I believe "the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas — that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market". Just my personal opinion, but I've never moderated an internet forum.

[WhistlinDave]

I think it's a good sample of the overall movement. And you only confirm my basic position by saying "active observer" and "armchair commentator" which is that the vast majority of participants are engaging in a spectator sport.

Right, and my point was that a lot of folks who are kind of on the fence about whether to get involved in that march, might be driven off the fence and into action if they're pissed off about Adam getting arrested just for peaceably assembling in public. (Maybe Obi Wan and Vader was a little overblown in importance, but it was the first analogy that sprung to mind.)

[PSYOP]

I still think he's controlled OP

[John F Kennedy III]

Of course he was. He had JUST walked off stage. He was up on stage next to the speaker inciting the dumbasses to light up joints illegally seconds before he was arrested. He made a target of himself. Can't believe people are shocked about Kokesh being arrested....lol.

I can't believe you're apologizing for tyranny.

[silverhandorder]

The picture came from Adam's own Facebook. If he didn't want it seen, he wouldn't have posted it. So, if any of you have a problem with it, go tell Adam.

I just have a problem with a hater attacking someone. You going to tell me he/she is not personally attacking Adam? I would ban him if it was my forum. But in reality just laughing at him and ignoring him works just as good. And this is what I will do to haters like that.

[Peace&Freedom]

The march is a high risk strategy, for sure, as it can be exploited by provocateurs, so that means people should decide for themselves whether they will personally take that risk. But that doesn't mean it must be a cointelpro operation, just that it could be exploited by them.

Patriotone has demonstrated a willingness to sling around the term without ever defining a context or circumstance where it could be concretely proven, or disproven. Is there ANY point of evidence that the accuser would accept, that would FALSIFY their claim that Kokesh is cointelpro? If not, the claim is merely a belief system, not a reason-based position.

[WhistlinDave]

No shit Sherlock. But it looks soooooooooooooooooo gay.

LOL If you were ever to visit So Cal you'd probably think 3/4 of the guys in any given beach town walking down the street were gay. Nobody wears shirts, people have flower patterns on their board shorts, some guys wear pink shirts, lots of us with long hair, guys wear the same kind of flip flops all the chicks wear, and some bros give each other hugs when they haven't seen each other in a while, and nobody here gives a rat's ass about any of it.

Sure the picture looks like a guy who maybe loves his own muscles a little too much, but so what?

[sailingaway]

The picture came from Adam's own Facebook. If he didn't want it seen, he wouldn't have posted it. So, if any of you have a problem with it, go tell Adam.

It didn't come from his own facebook with the words 'gay porn star' on it.

[Aratus]

sailingaway is very correct

[better-dead-than-fed]

It's not normal for a person's arm to come out of his head, but that's not what the 2nd Amendment is all about.

[LibertyEagle]

you expect gay porn star evidence? Because I think she made it up as the worst thing in her view she could think of to say.

Hhmmm.... if there is nothing wrong with being gay, why on earth would it be a horrible thing to imply that he was a gay porn star?

[Aratus]

admittedly many of my puritan ancestors would have banned the photo anyway until told it was a male bicep

[LibertyEagle]

It didn't come from his own facebook with the words 'gay porn star' on it.

True, but what is wrong with being gay?

[sailingaway]

Hhmmm.... if there is nothing wrong with being gay, why on earth would it be a horrible thing to imply that he was a gay porn star?


There is nothing wrong with being gay, if you ARE gay. But taking a picture and labeling it 'gay porn star' when the person is neither gay nor in porn at all, is wrong.

[Aratus]

adam kokesh once ran for public office in new mexico
and he had some campaign literature made at that
time. sailingaway knows he might run again perhaps.
she is trying to keep the donkeysnark at bay here.

[sailingaway]

True, but what is wrong with being gay?

Now you are acting like that guy who used to be on here pretending he wasn't mocking religion when he professed the flying spaghetti monster was his deity and that he wasn't either mocking people who were religious. Disingenousness is not persuasive.

[LibertyEagle]

There is nothing wrong with being gay, if you ARE gay. But taking a picture and labeling it 'gay porn star' when the person is neither gay nor in porn at all, is wrong.

I'd hire that crack attorney, Richard Gilbert, to sue her. :p

[sailingaway]

adam kokesh once ran for public office in new mexico
and he had some campaign literature made at that
time. sailingaway knows he might run again perhaps.
she is trying to keep the donkeysnark at bay here.

Clearly the intent of the person who chose that phrase was to make fun of him and smear him. That is bad both for those groups she was demonizing in making them the 'bad thing' and in making fun of and calling ridicule on someone just arrested pushing liberty. I think it is disgusting.

[WhistlinDave]

True, but what is wrong with being gay?

I'm starting to form a theory that ANY thread allowed to go on long enough will eventually turn into a gay thread, which proves that if the pandemic of homosexuality is allowed to go on unchecked, eventually the entire population of the earth will become gay and when some clumsy lab assistant knocks over the last table of test tubes and breaks them all, there will be no more reproduction and the entire human race will cease to exist.

The end.



(And that was all sarcasm, I should add. Except the part before the first comma.)

[Aratus]

besides... john kerry was once a very angry veteran after being on a riverboat in Vietnam and now he's our wise secretary of state.
adam kokesh could end up as a future secretary of defense if we get one of us here potus elected. time will tell. we all are about
to get the GOP nomination for rand paul before tagg romney comes of age and fulfills the white horse prophesy joseph smith made.

[LibertyEagle]

Now you are acting like that guy who used to be on here pretending he wasn't mocking religion when he professed the flying spaghetti monster was his deity and that he wasn't either mocking people who were religious. Disingenousness is not persuasive.

Is that kinda like when you claim to not hate Rand Paul but hum a tune when people twist his words and flat out lie about him in his own forum?

[LibertyEagle]

It's you guys who have kept this going and turned it into a gay thread. lol

[sailingaway]

Is that kinda like when you claim to not hate Rand Paul but hum a tune when people twist his words and flat out lie about him in his own forum?

you are throwing out one unrelated thing after another, I take it you aren't doing well with the actual topic of discussion.

If people don't report stuff in his forum I usually won't know about it. I don't hate him, but I don't really follow him closely, either.

[Aratus]

Clearly the intent of the person who chose that phrase was to make fun of him and smear him.
That is bad both for those groups she was demonizing in making them the 'bad thing' and in
making fun of and calling ridicule on someone just arrested pushing liberty. I think it is disgusting.

I am agreeing with you... it was over the top and uncalled for. it makes it easier for a Democrat or neocon to defeat him.

[LibertyEagle]

I am agreeing with you... it was over the top and uncalled for. it makes it easier for a Democrat or neocon to defeat him.

Defeat him, how? Adam doesn't need anyone to "defeat him". He is doing a banner job all by himself.

[Aratus]

i'd censor poor adam's bicep for the same reasons i'd censor many of the corndog photos from the iowa state fair I saw here.

[LibertyEagle]

you are throwing out one unrelated thing after another, I take it you aren't doing well with the actual topic of discussion.
I was showing your hypocrisy, SailingAway. And as far as this discussion is going, if you look back through the posts to remind yourself, you will see that it is you who has been doing a banner job keeping the gay meme going.


If people don't report stuff in his forum I usually won't know about it. I don't hate him, but I don't really follow him closely, either.
Plenty of things have been flagged, but you just sit there twirling your thumbs.

[wizardwatson]

Right, and my point was that a lot of folks who are kind of on the fence about whether to get involved in that march, might be driven off the fence and into action if they're pissed off about Adam getting arrested just for peaceably assembling in public. (Maybe Obi Wan and Vader was a little overblown in importance, but it was the first analogy that sprung to mind.)

I just don't like how this is being couched as civil disobedience when it's mostly popular because it's intimidation based. "Oh, we're just exercising our 2nd amendment rights." BS. It's not about this being the best way to solve 2nd amendment issues. It's about "let's see what they do".

So yes, I see your point in the sense that Kokesh is more of a martyr now that he's been arrested.

The difference I see is that instead of protesting peacefully and letting the police beat the crap out of them they are intentionally creating an explosive situation. It's cold war tactics it's not civil disobedience.

[green73]

Me thinks Liberty Crow has had a bit too much sherry.

[LibertyEagle]

i'd censor poor adam's bicep for the same reasons i'd censor many of the corndog photos from the iowa state fair I saw here.

I agree. But, Adam also should be a bit wiser in what he posts on his own Facebook page too.

[sailingaway]

there is no 'gay meme', the topic was intentional smearing of someone being arrested, location unknown, fighting for liberty, whether in the precise way others would do so or not.

And regarding the other, I've responded to that and your view really doesn't concern me.

[PatriotOne]

It didn't come from his own facebook with the words 'gay porn star' on it.

It didn't have to. It had gay porn star written all over it. I don't know if Adam is gay or not. Don't really care. No prob with gays here. Gay porn is disgusting as is all porn though. But ya all can't deny he sure took and posted a gay picture of himself :p. Compare a typical gay porn advertising picture.....cropped just for ya all...to Adam's pic.

http://i39.tinypic.com/34edhlj.jpg

and Adam's pic....

http://i41.tinypic.com/2yvkzvd.jpg

[LibertyEagle]

there is no 'gay meme', the topic was intentional smearing of someone being arrested, location unknown, fighting for liberty, whether in the precise way others would do so or not.

And regarding the other, I've responded to that and your view really doesn't concern me.

I don't view what Adam did as "fighting for liberty" at all, anymore than I view people "fighting for liberty" by posting on an internet forum..

[Aratus]

Me thinks Liberty Crow has had a bit too much sherry.

duckie... don't attack Liberty Eagle. she'd agree with me that there is an absolutely smutty photograph
of rick perry eating a corndog at the height of his presidential ambitions that young 11 and 12 year olds
should not see on a public forum. the animation done with ms. bachmann's photo was a new low even
for these forums even though rick perry was one of the biggest thieves and honcho crony lovers in texas
history where his damage to the public treasury may have been greater than jack connolly & LBJ combined.
he was acting dignified in many of the public GOP debates even though he often did sound like a total dipshit.

[asurfaholic]

lol wut has this world come to

[silverhandorder]

I don't view what Adam did as "fighting for liberty" at all, anymore than I view people "fighting for liberty" by posting on an internet forum..

Yeah because dropping 100 million on Paul family is the ONLY way to "fight for liberty"?

[Aratus]

PatriotOne... Adam's bicep is more patriotic than yours, mine or the male model's in that cropped photo

[WhistlinDave]

I just don't like how this is being couched as civil disobedience when it's mostly popular because it's intimidation based. "Oh, we're just exercising our 2nd amendment rights." BS. It's not about this being the best way to solve 2nd amendment issues. It's about "let's see what they do".

So yes, I see your point in the sense that Kokesh is more of a martyr now that he's been arrested.

The difference I see is that instead of protesting peacefully and letting the police beat the crap out of them they are intentionally creating an explosive situation. It's cold war tactics it's not civil disobedience.

Well, it may be a potentially "explosive" situation and it may be deliberately stirring things up to see what happens, but I do think it fits the definition of civil disobedience pretty nicely.

The Second Amendment says our right to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed." Yet there's a subordinate law that says "you cannot bear arms around here." Kokesh is saying, "I'm not going to obey that law because it's unjust. We're going to bear arms there whether you like it or not." And it may not solve anything instantly, but that's not the goal. The goal is to make a statement, and to hopefully draw attention to the issue, and possibly to expose government tyranny depending on how things go. I support the idea and the effort. Wish I could go myself, although I honestly don't know if I would have the balls to even if I could. (Have a family to support.) So I applaud those who do.

[LibertyEagle]

Yeah because dropping 100 million on Paul family is the ONLY way to "fight for liberty"?

No, it just requires doing something CONSTRUCTIVE.

[JK/SEA]

Patriotone acts like Adam must have rejected her...hence the 'attitude',,,hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

[angelatc]

Patriotone acts like Adam must have rejected her...hence the 'attitude',,,hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

*** hag.

[fr33]

https://www.facebook.com/ADAMVSTHEMAN/posts/10151402433011260


Adam is locked up in a federal jail... he will go infront of a judge monday... he is being charged with resisting arrest... that us all I know - Lucas

[sailingaway]

repeat: no attacking forum members.

[asurfaholic]

Well, it may be a potentially "explosive" situation and it may be deliberately stirring things up to see what happens, but I do think it fits the definition of civil disobedience pretty nicely.

The Second Amendment says our right to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed." Yet there's a subordinate law that says "you cannot bear arms around here." Kokesh is saying, "I'm not going to obey that law because it's unjust. We're going to bear arms there whether you like it or not." And it may not solve anything instantly, but that's not the goal. The goal is to make a statement, and to hopefully draw attention to the issue, and possibly to expose government tyranny depending on how things go. I support the idea and the effort. Wish I could go myself, although I honestly don't know if I would have the balls to even if I could. (Have a family to support.) So I applaud those who do.

Must spread rep :/

I like how people say that Adam Kokesh's method of bringing attention to a major encroachment on our basic rights is flamed, but nobody can offer any better proactive ways of restoring those rights, or anything. Its actually entertaining...

It takes big balls to stand up in the face of tyranny.

[sailingaway]

https://www.facebook.com/ADAMVSTHEMAN/posts/10151402433011260

I didn't notice any resisting. Was there resisting in any video anyone else saw? He has been arrested before and never resisted. Why would he this time?

[fr33]

I didn't notice any resisting. Was there resisting in any video anyone else saw? He has been arrested before and never resisted. Why would he this time?

It's just what pigs do. Videos are often posted of the pigs beating someone while saying "stop resisting".

[WhistlinDave]

I didn't notice any resisting. Was there resisting in any video anyone else saw? He has been arrested before and never resisted. Why would he this time?

He kept speaking into his microphone and resisted the cop's attempt to pry it from him, for a couple seconds. (Translation: Bullshit charges.)

[better-dead-than-fed]

It's just open-carry. If people perceive something wrong with that, there's something wrong with their perception.

[sailingaway]

I don't like calling police pigs. I saw a video recently of police beating a guy, apparently to death, and saying stop resisting. Pigs was not the term that came to mind.

[sailingaway]

He kept speaking into his microphone and resisted the cop's attempt to pry it from him, for a couple seconds. (Translation: Bullshit charges.)

that's resisting losing a microphone, not being arrested.

[asurfaholic]

It's just what pigs do. Videos are often posted of the pigs beating someone while saying "stop resisting".

Exactly.

But the better question is, if that is his only charge, then why was he being ARRESTED to BEGIN WITH?

And why in Fed lockup?

[kcchiefs6465]

https://www.facebook.com/ADAMVSTHEMAN/posts/10151402433011260
Surprising. :rolleyes:

Probably an obstruction or disorderly in there as well.

I'll wait to see what his bond is set at. He should be able to get out relatively cheaply. A stipulation of his bond will probably restrict him from leaving the state.

[Christian Liberty]

Kokesh is a brave man. Good for him. I wish I had the guts.

Adam helps us to remember who the REAL criminals are, and it is NEVER the Libertarian.

[silverhandorder]

No, it just requires doing something PRODUCTIVE.

Well how has your life changed by what liberty movement did politically(productively)? Did we lower taxes? Did we stop civil liberty infringements? Did we stop wars?

I did more for my self then liberty movement will do for me in 100 years.

IF all of us did that we wouldn't need a liberty movement.

[Aratus]

if its a park service decision after an oval office call, I was only half joking about a covert flight to denali, which is a very big public park

[kcchiefs6465]

that's resisting losing a microphone, not being arrested.
You're new around here aren't you?

Lol, seriously though, resisting is another one of those snare all fishnets they can throw on anyone at anytime. As a pig recently said, "I don't have to explain myself to you. Argue it in court."

[RickyJ]

I don't like calling police pigs. I saw a video recently of police beating a guy, apparently to death, and saying stop resisting. Pigs was not the term that came to mind.

Right, the term "pigs" is an insult to pigs when referring to the cops who beat that man to death.

[sailingaway]

Right, the term "pigs" is an insult to pigs when referring to the cops who beat that man to death.

What I actually meant was there are good police and I don't like it as a catchall for an entire group of people. We aren't collectivist with other groups, why that one?

But in specific cases it isn't remotely descriptive of the true horror of police actions.

[better-dead-than-fed]

https://www.facebook.com/ADAMVSTHEMAN/posts/10151402433011260


Adam is locked up in a federal jail... he will go infront of a judge monday... he is being charged with resisting arrest... that us all I know - Lucas

Resisting arrest... for what?

[PaulConventionWV]

They were committing an illegal act by smoking weed (whether you agree with the law or not doesn't matter). I don't know if Kokesh was smoking at the time but he seemed to be one who was leading the activities since he had the microphone.

So yeah. Wouldn't you expect to get arrested if you lit up a joint in front of the police where it is illegal? I would. Unless Kokesh is retarded, he expected it also.

It's called civil disobedience. MLK practiced it. Ron Paul endorses it. "Asking for it" is something else.

[CPUd]

Exactly.

But the better question is, if that is his only charge, then why was he being ARRESTED to BEGIN WITH?

And why in Fed lockup?

If they were on a national park, it would be a federal charge. I know a kid who got pulled over driving around smoking weed. He was pulled over by park rangers and didn't realize the road he was on went through a national park. It was the first time I ever heard of someone going to federal court for a DUI.

[Aratus]

this is like getting a "statie" totally POed rather than a small town cop

[PaulConventionWV]

Of course he was. He had JUST walked off stage. He was up on stage next to the speaker inciting the dumbasses to light up joints illegally seconds before he was arrested. He made a target of himself. Can't believe people are shocked about Kokesh being arrested....lol.

Who's shocked? I don't think he should have been arrested, but it certainly doesn't surprise me.

[kcchiefs6465]

If they were on a national park, it would be a federal charge. I know a kid who got pulled over driving around smoking weed. He was pulled over by park rangers and didn't realize the road he was on went through a national park. It was the first time I ever heard of someone going to federal court for a DUI.
I only realized that the park rangers had any type of authority to pull you over about a year ago. Well, any authority at all, except to issue you a ticket for fishing without a license or for drinking in a state park.

That still amazes me.

[Tod]

I don't think he was smoking or possessed weed. He had the mic and was seen as a leader. Last I heard, he was arrested for resisting arrest. How do you like that circular thought?

I'm sure they would like to keep him out of circulation until after the armed march in the hopes that it will peter out without a leader.

I guess he is scheduled to appear before a judge on Monday, from what I've been seeing on FB.

[Aratus]

tacitly... if park rangers are federal and there is nobody else for miles this is like the power a state trooper has

[JK/SEA]

4,393 going to the march, as of today.

[PaulConventionWV]

this all has alex jones marching by his lonesome as he is surrounded by the other marchers

....wh-what?

[Aratus]

he was going to march with adam kokesh

[Aratus]

it looks like almost 5000 people will be marching, also

[asurfaholic]

If they were on a national park, it would be a federal charge. I know a kid who got pulled over driving around smoking weed. He was pulled over by park rangers and didn't realize the road he was on went through a national park. It was the first time I ever heard of someone going to federal court for a DUI.

He didn't get pulled over for weed. Or littering. Or whatever.

He got arrested (for what?) but they only charged him with resisting arrest.

I might be missing some key info here though.

[PaulConventionWV]

No because I think the strategy is horrible.

Of course you do.

[WhistlinDave]

He didn't get pulled over for weed. Or littering. Or whatever.

He got arrested (for what?) but they only charged him with resisting arrest.

I might be missing some key info here though.

Yea, it seems "resisting arrest" is a convenient fail-safe so they can charge anybody with something, whenever they arrest someone for no good reason.

[CPUd]

He didn't get pulled over for weed. Or littering. Or whatever.

He got arrested (for what?) but they only charged him with resisting arrest.

I might be missing some key info here though.

In Adam's case, I think it has to do with where he was. In the picture, he is pointing at 36 CFR 2.35 (B) (2) : http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/36/2.35

That is a park service regulation, which means he was probably in an area designated as a national park. Regardless of whatever he did, or whatever they say he did, it is likely under federal park service jurisdiction, which is why he is in federal lockup.

[Barrex]

I didn't notice any resisting. Was there resisting in any video anyone else saw? He has been arrested before and never resisted. Why would he this time?


that's resisting losing a microphone, not being arrested.

Depends from state from state. Some define it resisting, obstructing, delaying...


Some might argue that he was at least delaying.


Your system is little "fucked up". To resist arrest there needs to be ground for arrest. So far they didnt give one. So resisting arrest on its own is really silly if there was no reason to arrest him in the first place.

Yea, it seems "resisting arrest" is a convenient fail-safe so they can charge anybody with something, whenever they arrest someone for no good reason.
Yea but in unlawful arrest makes resisting arrest charges fail by default(*at least that is what laws say).


Police waited till he took microphone and then moved to arrest him. It will be interesting. With so many laws it is nearly impossible to be 100% sure that you are not breaking any law. (speaking in national park without xy; stqanging/destroying grass... I dont know)

[PaulConventionWV]

True, but what is wrong with being gay?

Why are we even having this discussion? Some guy thinks it's funny to call a muscle poseur a "gay porn star" and the political correctness police come out of the woodwork. Some people don't think homosexuality is morally right, so what? It's old hat by now. We all have different moral standards, so can we just agree to disagree, or are the political correctness police going to arrest everyone who makes a funny face at the idea of having gay relations?

[PaulConventionWV]

It's you guys who have kept this going and turned it into a gay thread. lol

Not from my point of view. You're the one asking leading questions about how acceptable the gay lifestyle is. I hadn't seen the thread going in THAT direction until you started doing that. No offense, but that's the way I see it.

[fr33]

In other Philadelphia news; Former Hero Officer Charged With Raping Women, Held on $60M Bail (http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Hero-Police-Officer-Charged-With-Holding-2-Women-Captive-207991531.html)

[kcchiefs6465]

In other Philadelphia news; Former Hero Officer Charged With Raping Women, Held on $60M Bail (http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Hero-Police-Officer-Charged-With-Holding-2-Women-Captive-207991531.html)
Mind if I make a thread on it?

I don't want to derail this.

[PaulConventionWV]

I didn't notice any resisting. Was there resisting in any video anyone else saw? He has been arrested before and never resisted. Why would he this time?

He "tensed up." They call that resisting.

[sailingaway]

He "tensed up." They call that resisting.

oh for......

a brief and natural human instinct is resisting?

Regardless, they need probable cause to arrest.

Of what, exactly?

[PaulConventionWV]

I don't like calling police pigs. I saw a video recently of police beating a guy, apparently to death, and saying stop resisting. Pigs was not the term that came to mind.

What did come to mind? Is pigs not sufficiently offensive for describing those bastards?

[sailingaway]

What did come to mind? Is pigs not sufficiently offensive for describing those bastards?

do pigs beat others to death? I guess I'm not up on my farm animals.

[PaulConventionWV]

What I actually meant was there are good police and I don't like it as a catchall for an entire group of people. We aren't collectivist with other groups, why that one?

But in specific cases it isn't remotely descriptive of the true horror of police actions.

Best not open that can of worms. But suffice it to say I strongly disagree. Collectivizing the Ku Klux Klan wouldn't be a bad thing.

[fr33]

do pigs beat others to death? I guess I'm not up on my farm animals.

Pigs will eat their own especially if one gets crippled.

[sailingaway]

Best not open that can of worms. But suffice it to say I strongly disagree. Collectivizing the Ku Klux Klan wouldn't be a bad thing.

but then you are condemning a decision they actively took, to join an idealogical group with an ideology you condemn. Being a police officer imho is only bad if you ABUSE the power the office gives you, so collectivizing those who don't with those who do is different.

[Anti Federalist]

He spoke up. :(

He was a nail in a sea of government hammers.

[better-dead-than-fed]

... I ... finally got through to a different officer who told me "I can't give you any information, that's his private business, and if you want to know you need to speak with him after we release him. ....

When the government seizes a person, the burden lies on it to immediately justify the seizure. Without a showing of probable cause, the seizure is presumably unconstitutional.

[PaulConventionWV]

oh for......

a brief and natural human instinct is resisting?

Regardless, they need probable cause to arrest.

Of what, exactly?

There are lots of videos where they tell people to "stop tensing up!" They expect you to cooperate no matter how difficult...

[PaulConventionWV]

do pigs beat others to death? I guess I'm not up on my farm animals.

I don't see how that's relevant....

[PaulConventionWV]

but then you are condemning a decision they actively took, to join an idealogical group with an ideology you condemn.

Uh huh... I'm listening...


Being a police officer imho is only bad if you ABUSE the power the office gives you, so collectivizing those who don't with those who do is different.

Every police officer abuses the power the office gives them. It's impossible not to and keep your job. It's the fact that they took an office that gives them such power that justifies collectivizing them. They collectivize themselves by joining that "ideological group with an ideology I condemn." You wouldn't be here if you didn't condemn that ideology as well.

[TER]

I hope he gets out soon. I think he is being majorly harassed by the Feds right now. I hope he prays to God for guidance and direction.

[sailingaway]

Uh huh... I'm listening...



Every police officer abuses the power the office gives them. It's impossible not to and keep your job. It's the fact that they took an office that gives them such power that justifies collectivizing them. They collectivize themselves by joining that "ideological group with an ideology I condemn." You wouldn't be here if you didn't condemn that ideology as well.

I'm a minarchist not an anarchist. I think government has moral functions and protecting those less able to defend themselves and their property from infringement is probably number one on my list of appropriate government action. So long as that is the mindset of those who become police, I support them.

[Anti Federalist]

I hope he gets out soon. I think he is being majorly harassed by the Feds right now. I hope he prays to God for guidance and direction.

Amen! is the last thing I'm going to say in this thread, because if said what I'm really thinking, I'd be sharing a cell with brother Adam.

It would also be decidedly Un-Christian of me.

Stay strong.

[ninepointfive]

this forum is in some dire straights.

[Professor8000]

One can not be charged with Resisting Arrest alone, and one can not be arrested for no reason. You have a right to resist an unlawful arrest, and the last time I checked, you had a right to peaceably assemble. It appears that a judge will likely throw the charges out, but then again, there are always the ones who like to make examples of people.

[PaulConventionWV]

I'm a minarchist not an anarchist. I think government has moral functions and protecting those less able to defend themselves and their property from infringement is probably number one on my list of appropriate government action. So long as that is the mindset of those who become police, I support them.

You don't have to be an anarchist in order to oppose the existence of an oppressive police force. My point is that you can't join the police force expecting only to do what you just described. They all enforce unjust laws, so it's not necessarily inaccurate to collectivize them as immoral when you and I will agree that what they do is immoral.

[fr33]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEKzN3xqzgM

[damiengwa]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2yvkzvd.jpg[/QUOTE]

This pic of Adam gave me a chubby...does that make me gay? Do I need to pray?

[RickyJ]

this forum is in some dire straights.

How so? I got nothing wrong with people being critical either way. If everyone had the exact same opinions then this site would be an echo chamber and not a place where you could educate others and/or learn new things.

[RickyJ]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2yvkzvd.jpg

This pic of Adam gave me a chubby...does that make me gay? Do I need to pray?

Very gay, unless you are a female.

[asurfaholic]

In Adam's case, I think it has to do with where he was. In the picture, he is pointing at 36 CFR 2.35 (B) (2) : http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/36/2.35

That is a park service regulation, which means he was probably in an area designated as a national park. Regardless of whatever he did, or whatever they say he did, it is likely under federal park service jurisdiction, which is why he is in federal lockup.

Aha.. thanks for clarifying.

I still don't know if he is actually the one in violation of that law though. But lord knows there's at least 4 more in there that he was in violation of, there are so many stupid laws.

[sailingaway]

You don't have to be an anarchist in order to oppose the existence of an oppressive police force. My point is that you can't join the police force expecting only to do what you just described. They all enforce unjust laws, so it's not necessarily inaccurate to collectivize them as immoral when you and I will agree that what they do is immoral.

Well, I don't agree with that because there is still the need for police and those who join to serve a good purpose and do NOT abuse the office I don't tar with the same brush.

But we can disagree.

[Aratus]

if it is the park service... he could be sent up to denali via cesna
rather than to gitmo by any of the hidden fleet of cia prison planes...

[sailingaway]

Well, to be honest, I thought Adam's coming protest on DC wasn't perfectly crafted, but I support the general idea of fighting for liberty, and this was just tweeted tonight and seems to fit this thread.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKmHkHkCMAEyZJd.jpg:large

[damiengwa]

We all know WHY he was arrested. Will be interesting to see the charge. I really hope he ddin't have any MJ on him. Then they look like total buffoons. Arresting him literally as he spoke to a crowd on a microphone at a rally. And then what, they've only hit him with resisting? AAHahah! Charge with resisting arrest, but arrested for nothing.

[damiengwa]

Hail Mary, full of Grace
The Lord is with Thee,
Blessed art thou, among women,
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
Pray for our sinners,
Now, and at the hour of my death.

Amen

[damiengwa]

...rather than to gitmo by any of the hidden fleet of cia prison planes...

I'm sure thats a disappointment for him. I'm sure he'd like to partake in some of the drugs on board those CIA planes! May we all be so lucky as to get shipped by CIA plane when they come to take us to Gitmo.

[RickyJ]

Hail Mary, full of Grace
The Lord is with Thee,
Blessed art thou, among women,
And blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
Pray for our sinners,
Now, and at the hour of my death.

Amen

You can pray directly to God, you don't have to go through Mary.

[sailingaway]

I'm sure thats a disappointment for him. I'm sure he'd like to partake in some of the drugs on board those CIA planes! May we all be so lucky as to get shipped by CIA plane when they come to take us to Gitmo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKf6hgBCQAAyKYj.jpg:large

[sailingaway]

from twitter:

HiramHawk ‏@HiramHawk 54m
Adam Kokesh transferred to the Fed Detention Ctr - Phone is 215-686-3007 http://bit.ly/15XCRnD #policestate #tyranny #news #nra #anonymous

https://twitter.com/HiramHawk/status/335953471687761921

[WhistlinDave]

When the government seizes a person, the burden lies on it to immediately justify the seizure. Without a showing of probable cause, the seizure is presumably unconstitutional.

That's exactly why I introduced myself as a writer who reports on abuses against Constitutional rights... But they acted as if they wouldn't tell me anything because they were protecting his privacy. I didn't really care anyway; my goal was to let them know this was going to have consequences beyond their phone ringing off the hook all day, and I hope I accomplished that.

Regarding probable cause, they can very easily say it was a pro legalization rally where most of the people were openly smoking pot, and so they had probable cause to believe that anyone acting as a "leader" of such an event was probably in possession of pot too. (Even if they didn't see him smoking it.) Then when they find none on him, all they can do is say he "resisted arrest." All of it's a bunch of BS of course, but none of it surprises me.

[JK/SEA]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKf6hgBCQAAyKYj.jpg:large


MK Ultra?

[Anti Federalist]

Best Ron quote ever.


Well, to be honest, I thought Adam's coming protest on DC wasn't perfectly crafted, but I support the general idea of fighting for liberty, and this was just tweeted tonight and seems to fit this thread.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKmHkHkCMAEyZJd.jpg:large

[Aratus]

someone wants to keep him inside the system for a VERY long time. we all may need to whump up a moneybomb to keep a public focus on him,
even if we all just donate five to ten bucks every few weeks or so... i'm afraid for him. this was highly arbitrary and nitpicky in a very stupid way.

[Anti Federalist]

MK Ultra?

Room 101...Christ help us.

[Anti Federalist]

You can pray directly to God, you don't have to go through Mary.

At this point, help from any quarter is welcome.

[Anti Federalist]

And I violated my own post...D'Oh!

[damiengwa]

bump

[Origanalist]

So he got arrested for smoking weed?

Dark sunglasses, foolish grin......could be. :)

[economics102]

They must be really afraid of the DC march, because if their desire was simply to find a way to throw Kokesh in jail for a while, they could've just waited a month and arrested him at the march -- that would be a much more serious charge. He was handing them the opportunity on a silver platter.

[JK/SEA]

//

[sailingaway]

MK Ultra?

forced feeding station at Guantanamo. A poster was suggesting that being taken there by CIA plane would be wonderful.

[WhistlinDave]

So he got arrested for smoking weed?


I imagine they probably witnessed him smoking weed at some point then swooped in right when he was speaking.


Dark sunglasses, foolish grin......could be. :)

Nope, apparently not... Here's one of the first posts on the Facebook page after this happened:


Adam has been arrested and is in jail in Philly... I can personally testify that he hadn't even smoked yet... everyone please phone bomb the philly police and jail phone lines and demand adam be released amd able to make contact with us... other protesters were actually smoking and released after arrest but adam was taken away in a white chevy suburban... phone bomb them now!!! --- Brother Lucas

LOL -- "yet."