"No Justice, No Peace!" -- Police Brutality

[mauricebailey]

"No Justice, No Peace!"


Out of despair a message has risen which is, 'No Justice No Peace!', inspired by the recent events in Omaha, NE. This is the National Anthem for the many individuals who have died or have been beaten at the hands of a police department. If you know of anyone, or if you have been a victim of excessive force, or know of someone who has been murdered or beaten, please share this video.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyxyLwKfuOU

[sailingaway]

There are a bunch of videos on the police state, mostly in the general politics subforum, which is where I will likely move this after I watch that.

Welcome to the forums!

[sailingaway]

That's really good! I'll move it but I'll leave a redirect for an hour.

[fr33]

When I watch this video, the question that comes to my mind is.... how can we reach out to the black community and get them to reject all forms of statism rather than just some. It's a generalization but you know what I mean.

[bolil]

When I watch this video, the question that comes to my mind is.... how can we reach out to the black community and get them to reject all forms of statism rather than just some. It's a generalization but you know what I mean.

I think it might have something to do with a cultivated revenge mentality.

I'm not a part of the hood, but I drive thru it on a bicycle every day. I get it.

[sailingaway]

When I watch this video, the question that comes to my mind is.... how can we reach out to the black community and get them to reject all forms of statism rather than just some. It's a generalization but you know what I mean.

I personally think we do best when we are ourselves, and not collectivist, and not thinking of other people who hate the police state as 'the black community'. I think people who hate the police state hate it viscerally and it is a bonding opportunity and then as with any relationship you build on commonality.

[newbitech]

When I watch this video, the question that comes to my mind is.... how can we reach out to the black community and get them to reject all forms of statism rather than just some. It's a generalization but you know what I mean.

Good question. I would say stop thinking in terms of "the black community" and start thinking in terms of "the freedom community". I would think most folks with descendants that were physical slaves would probably have a culture more in tune with ideas of freedom and who the oppressors are. So maybe approach from that angle.

[sailingaway]

I think it might have something to do with a cultivated revenge mentality.

I'm not a part of the hood, but I drive thru it on a bicycle every day. I get it.

That's a problem with left and right too, people get an 'us and them' idea, and we are usually some of 'us' and some of something they aren't used to, but honesty is the best policy imho. consistency over time ftw.

[Natural Citizen]

When I watch this video, the question that comes to my mind is.... how can we reach out to the black community and get them to reject all forms of statism rather than just some. It's a generalization but you know what I mean.


Is interesting. I was reminded of Dahlia Wasfi's video which essentially served the same message. Except that now it's found it's way here from abroad. Now I don't want to redirect the thread and I'm not going to do that but some who may not possess a firm grasp on the phenomenon in scope may think that for whatever reason but listen to this. It certainly presents a logical direction that a militarized police force has came from. How it came to be on the streets of America. Is a process. The same issue regarding inner cities was referenced early on as we woke up to this "America is a battleground" narrative that was sure to come...and as we now see, is.

Same message. No Justice...No Peace.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duLPbu8ZYmk

[fr33]

Here's how to NOT do it:

http://i40.tinypic.com/eznxhx.gif

[FrankRep]

When I watch this video, the question that comes to my mind is.... how can we reach out to the black community and get them to reject all forms of statism rather than just some. It's a generalization but you know what I mean.

The "Black Leaders" are pretty well rooted in Marxist philosophy. Good luck breaking through that iron curtain.


Julian Bond / NAACP Supports the IRS Targeting Tea Party, Constitutionalists
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?414410-Julian-Bond-NAACP-Supports-the-IRS-Targeting-Tea-Party-Constitutionalists

[Natural Citizen]

The "Black Leaders" are pretty well rooted in Marxist philosophy. Good luck breaking through that iron curtain.


Julian Bond / NAACP Supports the IRS Targeting Tea Party, Constitutionalists
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?414410-Julian-Bond-NAACP-Supports-the-IRS-Targeting-Tea-Party-Constitutionalists

Frank, are you one of those 9-12 Tea Party Patriots? It's ok if'n you are. I just have to ask because it seems like you parrot their generic narrative a lot.

Marxism doesn't sell any more. At least not to people who have a half a clue about what the heck is going on around the world. I know that people used to eat that narrative up because it was a popular escape route for not having to admit ignorance but gosh. We have the freakin world wide web now. People are waking up to the ism gag.

[sailingaway]

An example of how NOT to approach people? ^^

[fr33]

Is interesting. I was reminded of Dahlia Wasfi's video which essentially served the same message. Except that now it's found it's way here from abroad. Now I don't want to redirect the thread and I'm not going to do that but some who may not possess a firm grasp on the phenomenon in scope may think that for whatever reason but listen to this. It certainly presents a logical direction that a militarized police force has came from. How it came to be on the streets of America. Is a process. The same issue regarding inner cities was referenced early on as we woke up to this "America is a battleground" narrative that was sure to come...and as we now see, is.

Same message. No Justice...No Peace.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duLPbu8ZYmk

Yep I remember when I first watched a video of that speech. Then I went to her facebook page and saw a few Ron Paul supporters trying to convince her. She wouldn't bite. In fact she posted reasons why she did not like Ron Paul. As usual it's because she wants a larger social safety net, not a smaller one.

[Natural Citizen]

Yep I remember when I first watched a video of that speech. Then I went to her facebook page and saw a few Ron Paul supporters trying to convince her. She wouldn't bite. In fact she posted reasons why she did not like Ron Paul. As usual it's because she wants a larger social safety net, not a smaller one.


Yep. That's why I said in scope. Is the right message but it's sure a big old glass of water too when you're dealing with people and opinions. I don't find myself agreeing with her on a whole lot of things but it's just one person, I suppose.

[bolil]

blah blah blah, drunk blather.

[sailingaway]

Yep. That's why I said in scope. Is the right message but it's sure a big old glass of water too when you're dealing with people and opinions. I don't find myself agreeing with her on a whole lot of things but it's just one person, I suppose.

You have to explain where we are coming from. Socialism doesn't mean the people own the means of production it means the governement owns everything and gives you an allowance at its discretion until the money they loot from it for cronies isn't enough and it runs out. Dependency with no chance of change. Freedom means YOU own what you work for.

Seems sensible to me, and if they disagree, it is just a point we disagree on.

[pcosmar]

When I watch this video, the question that comes to my mind is.... how can we reach out to the black community and get them to reject all forms of statism rather than just some. It's a generalization but you know what I mean.

I have mentioned this elsewhere (Militia forums). And I will address this to the artist.

Just Us ain't just black folks. Though I will admit that they see more than their share.
It is happening in Hispanic communities, and to rednecks too. Everybody.

TPTB like to keep us all focused on each other, to amplify tensions,, because if we all recognized the real enemy and joined together they would be screwed.
And they know that.

Folks all over really need to get past the color thing. To reach out and make connections,, alliances.
When the shit hits the fan,, we don't need to be fighting each other.

Just thoughts. but if folks can not be friends,, at least be allies. Or we all lose.

[FrankRep]

Marxism doesn't sell any more.

Welfare and Free Stuff sells. Economic Equality sells. Taxing the Rich sells. Free Health Care sells.

In other words, Marxism sells.

Oh, they don't call it "Marxism," they call it "Progressiveism."

[bolil]

Welfare and Free Stuff sells. Economic Equality sells. Taxing the Rich sells. Free Health Care sells.

In other words, Marxism sells.

Oh, they don't call it "Marxism," they call it "Progressiveism."
In a sense, I don't care if they tax the unjustly rich. Although, in time, a free market would remove their current advantages.


Then again, when I was homeless I found a place to sleep at Walmart. Not many mom and pops extend such a courtesy.

[Natural Citizen]

Welfare and Free Stuff sells. Economic Equality sells. Taxing the Rich sells. Free Health Care sells.

In other words, Marxism sells.

Oh, they don't call it "Marxism," they call it "Progressiveism."

Ah well. Best to not ruin the op's thread with it, I suppose. Later. Definitely.

[FrankRep]

In a sense, I don't care if they tax the unjustly rich. Although, in time, a free market would remove their current advantages.

Then again, when I was homeless I found a place to sleep at Walmart. Not many mom and pops extend such a courtesy.
How about more free market and less tax? Try that concept out for a change.

[Icymudpuppy]

The founders had it right. Property owners and business owners generally appreciate freedom. Employees and renters are dependents of the business/landowner they live upon, and it fosters a dependent mentality where they feel they need someone (government) to take care of them. A mortgage counts as renting.

Would be nice to go back to only business owners and property owners voting.

[pcosmar]

Would be nice to go back to only business owners and property owners voting.

And limit the government so that their vote as very little real effect on everyone else.

[fisharmor]

Well, I can say is that this is a movement I can get behind.

I think the police abuse in this country has a potential to bring people together, which is great, because so many black-community movements in the last 50 years have been divisive.

I've talked to white people who marched with Dr. King. The Great March on Washington was only 75-80% black. This leaves the impression that while institutional racism was a "black issue", it affected us all, and the inclusion of non-blacks pointed to that.

Fast forward 32 years to the Million Man March, which was... more... monochromatic. It seems like black leaders are content with the idea that these are black issues and nobody else is really invited to get pissed about it. At least, that's the world I perceive that I grew up in.

So I'd love it if the focus shifted away from "these are black problems" to "these are problems that disproportionately affect the black community". The fact that it's police abuse is gravy that would not just get me involved, but turn it into a priority.

[green73]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqLRd4neGGEhttp://www.animationplayhouse.com/chick_dance.gif

[mauricebailey]

Yea, this message is for EVERYBODY -- Black, White, Asian, Hispanic... anyone who has been abused by police or who is against a police state. But lets not forget, the police are citizens too... they must wake up! #TheFreedomCommunity

[ClydeCoulter]

How about more free market and less tax? Try that concept out for a change.

That was unnecessary, did you not get the jest of his post?

[mauricebailey]

Great comment -- and yes, the video is intended to get EVERYBODY involved, no matter who you are. This video will be emailed to each police department of the 50 largest cities in the United States. #NoJusticeNoPeace

Check out this link for information about what is going on in Omaha. This is the blog of the former police auditor omahapoliceauditor(dot)com/2013/05/15/start-here/

[kcchiefs6465]

Great video. It's nice to see actual artists expressing the problems of the city instead of the usual bullshit that passes for music. (music that works to destroy the community instead of empowering it)

You've got my support. We have threads that have hundreds of police abuse cases with sources and updates, some undoubtedly Omaha. Check them out if you need some references or have some stories of your own to post.

Keep making good music. That trap shit that's being promoted is only helping keep people down and prison industrial complex profits up. There was a good article here as well on that. (the owners of the major labels having quite a lot of stock in these private prisons) Modern day slavery. They have incentive to keep people rapping about selling crack or shooting people. When the youth, who do not have money for a lawyer or any education of the law listen to the shit they get a picture that it's all cars and girls or that it's the life to lead. Not knowing a couple pebbles will have them locked up for years doing manual labor for pennies a month. That message needs to get spread as well. See too many of these little kids running around acting hard. That's just what some very rich and powerful people want them to be doing. To keep the prisons full.

[tod evans]

http://www.animationplayhouse.com/chick_dance.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSkN9m7kh9A

Gotta get that chicken right..:cool:

[bolil]

How about more free market and less tax? Try that concept out for a change.
lol, revisit that three sentence post.

I would not shed a tear if BOA executives... well, you know what follows that.

[kcchiefs6465]

Bump



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeE3-rOG7i4

You know my CEO masonic steeez cheese
Only little people pay all these taxes and fees
Since you were born we control what you watch and you read
And pretty soon were gonna own the fucking air that you breathe
I take what I want fucker I don't have to say please
I'll convince you that it's good for you, take it and leave
You think presidents are the face of a nation?
I put em all where they are, end of the conversation

[SeanTX]

The only thing wrong with the "no justice, no peace" thing is that it only gets trotted out when some thug gets killed or beaten by the police during some street battle where the police might have been at least somewhat justified from a self-defense angle. But when some totally innocent person is killed or beaten by the police, then there is the sound of crickets. And there have been many cases like that, and they are always soon forgotten.

The current case in Bakersfield , CA being an example, where the (allegedly) drunk man was beaten to death by Kerne County deputies and CHP -- people should be out in the streets over it, but nothing will happen. However, if some thug nick-named "Stomper" gets shot in Anaheim .. then they are out in the streets -- and then people wonder why the movement doesn't get taken seriously ...