Boston's water supply: Mooslim types caught trespassing at reservoir

[green73]

BELCHERTOWN (CBS) – Shortly after midnight Tuesday, seven people were caught trespassing at the Quabbin Reservoir.

State Police say the five men and two women are from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Singapore, and “cited their education and career interests” for being in the area. The men told police they were chemical engineers and recent college graduates.

The Quabbin, in Belchertown, is one of the country’s largest man-made public water supplies. Boston’s drinking water comes from the Quabbin and the Wachusett Reservoirs.

State Police say there were no warrants or advisories on any of the individuals and “there was no evidence that the seven were committing any crime beyond the trespassing.”

All seven were allowed to leave and will be summonsed to court for trespassing. The FBI is investigating and routine checks of public water supplies have been increased following the incident.

The seven individuals currently live in Amherst, Cambridge, Sunderland, Northampton and New York City. Police have not released their names because a court date has not been set.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/05/14/7-cited-for-trespassing-at-quabbin-reservoir-patrols-stepped-up-across-state/

[donnay]

Here's a flashback or a foreshadowing from 2001:


PRIME TARGET

Water is the “quintessential target,” Beering said. It’s been a strategic objective in armed conflict throughout history. The Nazis dumped raw sewage into reservoirs; dead animals were tossed into wells in Kosovo. And the FBI’s J. Edgar Hoover warned of the potential for attacks on the nation’s water supply prior to the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor.

Electricity comes and goes at the flick of a switch. People get annoyed when the power goes out, blitzing the cable and making them miss the latest episode of “The Simpsons.” Water is different — it is nearly sacred. In fact, a terrorist doesn’t even have to actually contaminate water to affect a terrorist act.

“I just have to make you believe the water is contaminated,” Beering said. If the public suddenly lost confidence in the integrity of the water system, he said, there would be a domino effect. A panic run on bottled water and alternative water supplies.

A question he has asked to officials of various water authorities: “Are you prepared to empty a five, ten, fifteen million gallon ... reservoir to prove to the public that it’s safe to drink?”

Source:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3340643/t/us-water-supply-vulnerable/

[sailingaway]

I really don't like our government trying to get all control over water, supposedly for our safety.

[Anti Federalist]

I really don't like our government trying to get all control over water, supposedly for our safety.

They are looking to control everything else, and doing a pretty good job of getting to that point.

Why should water be any different?

[kathy88]

I HAVE A WELL.

[Cowlesy]

7 foreigners are milling around a reservoir after midnight, several of which are from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh.....red flag?

[sailingaway]

I HAVE A WELL.

amazing what happens to wells when they decide reservoirs and water tables need to be inside tanks to prevent terrorism. Happening in CA now, where people don't have wells due to pollution, but it will spread as a 'recognized homeland security precaution' I'm sure.

[pcosmar]

7 foreigners are milling around a reservoir after midnight, several of which are from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh.....red flag?

Perhaps testing the waters.

Either as a study or a suspicion.
Maybe trying to find out what the fuck is wrong with America.
(something in the water?)

[Cowlesy]

Perhaps testing the waters.

Either as a study or a suspicion.
Maybe trying to find out what the fuck is wrong with America.
(something in the water?)

Studying, at midnight...and they're not all locals.

I have a bridge to sell you!

[sailingaway]

Studying, at midnight...and they're not all locals.

I have a bridge to sell you!

Well, it depends on the reservoir. People used to gather at the Lake Hollywood one just because it was so pretty. They kept wanting to fence it off even when my grandfather was young -- because young folks snuck in swims late at night. In WWII they took the excuse of wartime to put a fence around it. But it was a gathering place, and still the dam is, for walkers, because that part is pretty.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtxxZ7mzUihnDiqcC4WGZ5_PJVWdTTu kq20B1u49kxEGuUjHNE
http://pics4.city-data.com/cpicc/cfiles11058.jpg
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTRmvACZtFLWyMPBnIj0QJE6_Q9OnDru HlAz3N1RVF21pSY0AuZ
http://www.hikethegeek.com/LA/Hikes/Hollywood%20Lake/icon_M_HollywoodReservoir.jpg

about eight years ago they started to put all but the small upper part into underground tanks.

so much for these guys
http://img2.10bestmedia.com/Images/Photos/69750/deer-with-buck_28_550x370_20111026215250.jpg

[thoughtomator]

God forbid terrorists get to dump something highly toxic into our water supply - like fluoride, for example.

[ItsTime]

God forbid terrorists get to dump something highly toxic into our water supply - like fluoride, for example.

bazinga!

[Anti Federalist]

God forbid terrorists get to dump something highly toxic into our water supply - like fluoride, for example.

/thread

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?235581-Chinese-made-flouride-damages-Mass-town-s-water-supply-machinery/page2&highlight=flouride

[Cowlesy]

Well, it depends on the reservoir. People used to gather at the Lake Hollywood one just because it was so pretty. They kept wanting to fence it off even when my grandfather was young -- because young folks snuck in swims late at night. In WWII they took the excuse of wartime to put a fence around it. But it was a gathering place, and still the dam is, for walkers, because that part is pretty.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRtxxZ7mzUihnDiqcC4WGZ5_PJVWdTTu kq20B1u49kxEGuUjHNE
http://pics4.city-data.com/cpicc/cfiles11058.jpg
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTRmvACZtFLWyMPBnIj0QJE6_Q9OnDru HlAz3N1RVF21pSY0AuZ
http://www.hikethegeek.com/LA/Hikes/Hollywood%20Lake/icon_M_HollywoodReservoir.jpg

about eight years ago they started to put all but the small upper part into underground tanks.

Yeah I get that, when you can see during the day. Lots of lovely reservoirs, but these guys are all foreign chemical engineers, not smoking weed and staring at the stars over the lake, but just..."studying the reservoir", at midnight, at a major water supply.

I just can't be a libertarian. Maybe everyone can setup a fund to help pay their trespassing tickets. :) These poor repressed souls!

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah I get that, when you can see during the day. Lots of lovely reservoirs, but these guys are all foreign chemical engineers, not smoking weed and staring at the stars over the lake, but just..."studying the reservoir", at midnight, at a major water supply.

I just can't be a libertarian. Maybe everyone can setup a fund to help pay their trespassing tickets. :) These poor repressed souls!

LOL - Well, ask yourself why our multi trillion dollar "security" system let them all go.

[sailingaway]

Yeah I get that, when you can see during the day. Lots of lovely reservoirs, but these guys are all foreign chemical engineers, not smoking weed and staring at the stars over the lake, but just..."studying the reservoir", at midnight, at a major water supply.

I just can't be a libertarian. Maybe everyone can setup a fund to help pay their trespassing tickets. :) These poor repressed souls!

Foreign chemical engineers late at night at a reservoir is worth looking into.

I'm just pissed they messed with mine. :mad:

Although I have to thank you for suggesting it so I'd google it, apparently they just opened the trail again by the upper part they let stay there. I'll have to go see what remains.

http://www.tolucalakechamber.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013HollywoodResevoir600.jpg

[donnay]

God forbid terrorists get to dump something highly toxic into our water supply - like fluoride Hydrofluorosilicic acid , for example.

FIFY

http://ffo-olf.org/files/hydrofluosilicicAcidMSDS.pdf

[Acala]

Belchertown? The name of the place is BELCHERTOWN? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

By the way, it is really hard to seriously contaminate a large reservoir because the volume is so huge.

[pcosmar]

Yeah I get that, when you can see during the day. Lots of lovely reservoirs, but these guys are all foreign chemical engineers, not smoking weed and staring at the stars over the lake, but just..."studying the reservoir", at midnight, at a major water supply.

I just can't be a libertarian. Maybe everyone can setup a fund to help pay their trespassing tickets. :) These poor repressed souls!

Sorry,,
I really don't get concerned about the hyped up Brown People boogieman aspect.

There are very real concerns with threats closer to home.
http://boingboing.net/2010/08/20/the-cias-obsession-w.html
http://hightimes.com/read/cia%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%E2%84%A2s-lsd-attack

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Sorry,,
I really don't get concerned about the hyped up Brown People boogieman aspect.

There are very real concerns with threats closer to home.
http://boingboing.net/2010/08/20/the-cias-obsession-w.html
http://hightimes.com/read/cia%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%E2%84%A2s-lsd-attack


I'd imagine some entrepreneurs would immediately start bottling and selling that water.

[sailingaway]

Sorry,,
I really don't get concerned about the hyped up Brown People boogieman aspect.

There are very real concerns with threats closer to home.
http://boingboing.net/2010/08/20/the-cias-obsession-w.html
http://hightimes.com/read/cia%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%E2%84%A2s-lsd-attack

I don't think brown is relevant, animosity of country and the fact that they are chemical engineers at a reservoir at night does raise possibilities your usual necking couple might not raise.

But that doesn't mean I think the water of the earth should be controlled in tanks.

[pcosmar]

I don't think brown is relevant, animosity of country and the fact that they are chemical engineers at a reservoir at night does raise possibilities your usual necking couple might not raise.

.
If it was not relevant it would not have even been mentioned.
And the fact that they are Chemical engineers is only partially so. It would be relevant to someone testing water sources to test both before water treatment (reservoir) and after (at the tap).

And doing so at night would be logical as well to avoid detection by agencies involved in "treatment" of water.

As far as "poisoning" a reservoir, to have any relevant effect would take more substance than a few people could carry.

[Brian4Liberty]

7 foreigners are milling around a reservoir after midnight, several of which are from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh.....red flag?

As the story is written, and based only on that information, it's a huge red flag. And this is precisely the kind of thing that would warrant extra scrutiny of these people.

Maybe they were out there partying and the story is not accurate. That would make sense. And maybe the authorities and news outlet conspired to make the story more scary that it really is. Who knows? But if it is as stated, then get out the microscope on these people, and reviews of immigration status too.

[sailingaway]

If it was not relevant it would not have even been mentioned.
And the fact that they are Chemical engineers is only partially so. It would be relevant to someone testing water sources to test both before water treatment (reservoir) and after (at the tap).

And doing so at night would be logical as well to avoid detection by agencies involved in "treatment" of water.

As far as "poisoning" a reservoir, to have any relevant effect would take more substance than a few people could carry.

was it mentioned? Or was a country where people don't like us very much mentioned?

The jump to implication of racism irritates me, since it is used so often as a cheap trick to turn off discussion. Maybe I'm overly sensitive to the tactic.

[pcosmar]

was it mentioned? Or was a country where people don't like us very much mentioned?


I thought Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Singapore, were our allies. (or so we are told)

This sounds more like a "boogieman" story than anything else.

[seapilot]

Another good excuse to get a rain barrel.

[donnay]

Another good excuse to get a rain barrel.


Collecting rainwater is now illegal in many states.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6jjxg8f3Gq0

[tangent4ronpaul]

As far as "poisoning" a reservoir, to have any relevant effect would take more substance than a few people could carry.

Some neo-nazi's dumped a bunch of 55 gal drums in a Chicago reservoir some years ago not realizing that parts per trillion won't do anything.

This is what a 8 million gallon reservoir looks like:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/06/16/t1larg.reservoir.kgw.jpg


Portland draining reservoir after man urinates in it
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/16/portland-draining-reservoir-after-man-urinates-in-it/

Oregon's Portland Water Bureau is draining an 8 million-gallon reservoir after surveillance cameras caught a man urinating into it this week.

The move will cost the water bureau $35,000 – $28,000 in lost revenue and $7,500 in disposal costs, CNN affiliate KATU-TV reports.

Is that worth it when the urine involved is really a drop in the bucket?

Scientifically, no, said Dave Stone, an assistant professor of toxicology at Oregon State University, who spoke to The Oregonian newspaper about the, er, leak.

"How many animals are doing that or birds?" Stone asked. "I don't want to second-guess the city, but I can't think of anything chemically that would have me be concerned."

Dr. Gary Oxman, a Multnomah County health officer, also told The Oregonian: "The health risk associated with that is really, really tiny."

A healthy bladder holds up to 16 ounces of urine, according to the National Institutes of Health.

Water bureau administrator David Shaff told KATU it's not about the science.

"There are people who will say it’s an overreaction,” he said. “I don’t think so. I think just dealing with the ‘yuck factor,’ I can imagine how many people would be saying, ‘I made orange juice with that water this morning. That’s not what I want to hear.’ ”

[VIDEO HERE - click through!]

And City Commissioner Randy Leonard told CNN affiliate KGW-TV that the water in the Mount Tabor reservoir is chlorinated before it enters the reservoir.

"The water that's in the reservoir that you see is literally the water that you drink," Leonard said.

Sgt. Pete Simpson of the Portland Police Bureau told KGW the whole mess didn't have to be.

"It's really an unfortunate incident that probably could have been avoided had he chosen a bush," Simpson said.

-t

[pcosmar]

"The water that's in the reservoir that you see is literally the water that you drink," Leonard said.



After it runs through the water treatment plants and has a bunch of nasty shit added.

And people have been peeing in the water for a very long time..

ALL Water is recycled.

Think about that for a second.

[awake]

They are looking to control everything else, and doing a pretty good job of getting to that point.

Why should water be any different?


Where have I seen this before...taking militaristic control of all domestic resources in the name of the motherland. The enemies of the homeland are everywhere so there can be no question of not making all things "secure".

[Anti Federalist]

Where have I seen this before...taking militaristic control of all domestic resources in the name of the motherland. The enemies of the homeland are everywhere so there can be no question of not making all things "secure".

DoublePlusGood Comrade Citizen.

Yes, yes, they are...we cannot afford to let our guard down for a second.

[Anti Federalist]

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/theultimateplan/V%20for%20Vendetta%20Images%20and%20Videos/ViralAttackTargetCollage1.jpg

[pcosmar]

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj19/theultimateplan/V%20for%20Vendetta%20Images%20and%20Videos/ViralAttackTargetCollage1.jpg

Obscure yet highly relevant.
+rep

[sailingaway]

I thought Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Singapore, were our allies. (or so we are told)

This sounds more like a "boogieman" story than anything else.

Singapore is our ally. Do you think the average person on the street in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan likes us? From polls I've seen, not so much. We have a terrible foreign policy over there which keeps bad people in control over the people, as I understand it. In Pakistan we keep people they don't like in power AND we drone them. Would YOU like us?

So if chemical engineers (plural) are at a reservoir in the middle of the night from a country where people really don't like us, I don't think it is their color that raises the question, that is all.

[sailingaway]

DoublePlusGood Comrade Citizen.

Yes, yes, they are...we cannot afford to let our guard down for a second.

THAT is my issue. I feel a lot less safe with the government controlling all access to the stuff of life than with the possibility of terrorists getting to a little bit of it here or there, if government doesn't control access.

[pcosmar]

THAT is my issue. I feel a lot less safe with the government controlling all access to the stuff of life than with the possibility of terrorists getting to a little bit of it here or there, if government doesn't control access.

The terrorists are already in control.

I'm not really worried about foreign visitors. For all I know they were there to help us.
Though,, they probably would not have been let go then.


The possibility that they were neutralizing poisons is just as believable as them dumping poisons.

[pcosmar]

OK,, Now this ridiculousness gets fun.

ya got my curiosity up,,thought I'd take a look at this secure facility that was breached.

it is not,, as some might think,, some little enclosed holding tank. It is a fucking huge lake.

And not only that..
http://media.masslive.com/breakingnews/photo/bomb1024jpg-ac192b42982ba8d5.jpg
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/10/mass_us_agencies_studying_quab.html

It already has stuff in it.

And looking at the Fishing and recreation,, it hardly seems to be restricted at all.

So some brown folk were at the lake..? Big Deal.

[BlackTerrel]

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/05/14/7-cited-for-trespassing-at-quabbin-reservoir-patrols-stepped-up-across-state/

cbslocal - looks like they're keeping this one out of the news huh?

[sailingaway]

OK,, Now this ridiculousness gets fun.

ya got my curiosity up,,thought I'd take a look at this secure facility that was breached.

it is not,, as some might think,, some little enclosed holding tank. It is a fucking huge lake.

And not only that..
http://media.masslive.com/breakingnews/photo/bomb1024jpg-ac192b42982ba8d5.jpg
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/10/mass_us_agencies_studying_quab.html

It already has stuff in it.

And looking at the Fishing and recreation,, it hardly seems to be restricted at all.

So some brown folk were at the lake..? Big Deal.

that was my initial reaction if you go back to the beginning of the thread, that some people at a lake could have a bunch of reasons for being there, and they apparently had an innocent reason since they were let go. But I do think when they are chemical engineers at night from countries that don't like us and it is a drinking water reservoir, it is ok to ask a few questions.

but I think this is being used as a 'crises' to get more support for their water grab.

[pcosmar]

cbslocal - looks like they're keeping this one out of the news huh?

The fact that it is even in the news, at all, is suspect.

[BlackTerrel]

was it mentioned? Or was a country where people don't like us very much mentioned?

The jump to implication of racism irritates me, since it is used so often as a cheap trick to turn off discussion. Maybe I'm overly sensitive to the tactic.

Very few people seem to think this is actually a real threat - mainly because those identified were likely Muslim.

With all the blowback we're creating you'd think at least some of these people might try to do us harm.

[pcosmar]

but I think this is being used as a 'crises' to get more support for their water grab.

Now that is a real possibility. As well as Hyping the general fear of,,,"them". Which is what it sounded like to me.

It is also very likely that being a chemical Engineer had nothing to do with being at the lake. Perhaps fishing was.

The whole story smacks of the usual baseless fear mongering.

Oh,, and I bet people piss in that lake all the time.

[BlackTerrel]

The terrorists are already in control.

I'm not really worried about foreign visitors. For all I know they were there to help us.
Though,, they probably would not have been let go then.

The possibility that they were neutralizing poisons is just as believable as them dumping poisons.

Really? 7 engineers from Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Singapore trespassed at a reservoir after midnight in order to purify water? This is a plausible theory?

Damn man. So many threads here theorize that our foreign policy creates blowback and yet many of those same people refuse to ever believe in even the possibility of a Muslim terrorist. These must be the most peaceful people on earth - except for in Syria - Islamic terrorists exist only in Syria.

[pcosmar]

This is a plausible theory?
.

Nope.
Think of it as counter-stupidity.
An equally ridiculous explanation to a non-story.

[JK/SEA]

Is it Mooslim or Muslim?...seems disrespectful.

[tangent4ronpaul]

On a tract of land where people are now barred from swimming, camping or skiing,...

...

The reservoir was created in 1938 by emptying four towns, clearing all buildings and cemeteries.

^^^^I'm sure those families were pleased as punch! - Now, where did you want grandma's corpse?

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

Is it Mooslim or Muslim?...seems disrespectful.

Mooslims - the latest addition to AQ. U know, those brown, 4 legged hairy savages with those things that "go up"... Generally found north of here...

-t

[pcosmar]

Damn man. So many threads here theorize that our foreign policy creates blowback and yet many of those same people refuse to ever believe in even the possibility of a Muslim terrorist. These must be the most peaceful people on earth - except for in Syria - Islamic terrorists exist only in Syria.

On that issue,, I really can not fault people who are responding to abuse , invasion and oppression. Their response is only natural, and perhaps even justified.

I am particularly impressed with the folks of Afghanistan,, having successfully resisted and opposed two of the worlds supperpowers.
And despite hardship refuse to submit.

And my hat is off to the people of Iran. They have shown incredible restraint.
I think I would like to live among them.

[BlackTerrel]

Nope.
Think of it as counter-stupidity.
An equally ridiculous explanation to a non-story.

Why? It's impossible that people from those countries would ever wish to do us harm? Ever?


On that issue,, I really can not fault people who are responding to abuse , invasion and oppression. Their response is only natural, and perhaps even justified.

So you agree they have a right to hate us? So why implausible that they would ever seek to do us harm.

That's what I don't get. Many of the people who sympathize with blowback cannot fathom that a Muslim would ever commit a violent act. They can't all be false flags. If we're creating so many terrorists at some point they have to actually terrorize.



I am particularly impressed with the folks of Afghanistan,, having successfully resisted and opposed two of the worlds supperpowers.
And despite hardship refuse to submit.

And my hat is off to the people of Iran. They have shown incredible restraint.
I think I would like to live among them.

Why not go? I'm serious. I'd love to read your posts from there. Give us first hand info.

[pcosmar]

Why not go? I'm serious. I'd love to read your posts from there. Give us first hand info.

I am not allowed to leave the country.

Though I would love to go. Iran is a beautiful land,, and full of history.

[green73]

I am not allowed to leave the country.

Though I would love to go. Iran is a beautiful land,, and full of history.

Full of hot women too.

e.g.
http://jasonjeffrey.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/persian-girls.jpg

[SpicyTurkey]

I am not allowed to leave the country.

Though I would love to go. Iran is a beautiful land,, and full of history.

Why the fuck would you go to a fascist shit hole like Iran. The people are great, but the government is just as crappy as hours, and in some cases, much more crappy. I agree with going against our illogical foreign policy, but damn dude, I think you're intentionally busting balls on this one.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

uh who needs to check out a reservoir shortly after midnight? Most of our water supply is already poisoned by the government

[tangent4ronpaul]

uh who needs to check out a reservoir shortly after midnight? Most of our water supply is already poisoned by the government

skinny dipping...

-t

[BlackTerrel]

I am not allowed to leave the country.

Though I would love to go. Iran is a beautiful land,, and full of history.

Why cant' you leave the country?

[BlackTerrel]

A google search says that about 1,000 Americans visit Iran a year. Doesn't say anything about people that have fully immigrated.

Compared to about 2 million Iranians that live in the US. Or about 2.5% - 3% of Iranians have voted with their feet and come here.

That said I'd love for PC or some others from this forum to go and report back.

[newbitech]

7 foreigners are milling around a reservoir after midnight, several of which are from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh.....red flag?

and college students.

[bolil]

Why cant' you leave the country?

He has a case of the nunyas.

Why so curious. What is your social?

[pcosmar]

Why cant' you leave the country?

I am a prohibited person. I can not get a passport.

Oh, I suppose I could leave,, by stealth. or be smuggled someplace.
I would have to know I would be welcome where I arrived or it would not be worth doing so.


Why the fuck would you go to a fascist shit hole like Iran. The people are great, but the government is just as crappy as hours, and in some cases, much more crappy. I agree with going against our illogical foreign policy, but damn dude, I think you're intentionally busting balls on this one.

I doubt it is much worse that here. And in a short time may even be a better place as far as survival goes.

[Mani]

Singapore recycles their piss and turns it into drinking water....After relations with Malaysia got worse (who they normally get their water from) they had to come up with something innovative. And the sea water recycling was too expensive. Recycling piss was more efficient.


A Singaporean told me that.

Great place to hang out for a few days.


So seven young adults wanted to go skinny dipping in a lake and got busted?

"Ahhh....Sir...we are here because we are....ahhhh...CHEMICAL ENGINEEERS!...Uhhh..Yah...that's it..and.......Ahhmmm...Doing some aaaahh...RESEARCH!"


"Dude, I think you got us even in more trouble...STFU.....and your pants are on backwards dumbass..."

[BlackTerrel]

He has a case of the nunyas.

Why so curious. What is your social?

What are you his keeper?

Guy says he wants to move to Iran and I asked him why he doesn't. That's the same as asking for his social? Chill dude. If he doesn't want to answer he doesn't have to.

Honestly I'm curious and I've never even heard of this.


I am a prohibited person. I can not get a passport.

What does that mean? What class of people are prohibited from getting a passport or leaving the country? I googled this and couldn't find anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_passport


Passport Requirements
Citizens and non-citizen nationals

United States passports are issuable only to persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States – i.e., citizens and non-citizen nationals of the United States.[30]

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States ..."[31] Under this provision, "United States" means the 50 states and the District of Columbia only.[32]

By acts of Congress, every person born in Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, and the Northern Mariana Islands is a United States citizen by birth.[33] Also, every person born in the former Panama Canal Zone whose father or mother (or both) are or were a citizen is a United States citizen by birth.[34]

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

What does that mean? What class of people are prohibited from getting a passport or leaving the country? I googled this and couldn't find anything.


pcosmar doesn't have a SSN#. He's an... UNSCANNABLE!

[tangent4ronpaul]

Passport Requirements
Citizens and non-citizen nationals

United States passports are issuable only to persons who owe permanent allegiance to the United States – i.e., citizens and non-citizen nationals of the United States.[30]

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States ..."[31] Under this provision, "United States" means the 50 states and the District of Columbia only.[32]


I don't like this language! "owe" "subject"...

Where did I sign up for this BS?

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

pcosmar needs to answer that if he wants to. He's posted about it before. Lets just say some "minor" legal problems...

-t

[BlackTerrel]

pcosmar needs to answer that if he wants to. He's posted about it before. Lets just say some "minor" legal problems...

-t

I didn't realize that breaking certain laws prevented you from getting a passport. Guess I never looked into it that much.

That said - if I had such an affinity for another country as he had for Iran I would go.

2 million Iranians in the US is about 2.5-3% of the entire Iranian population. Would be the equivalent of 9 million Americans moving to Iran. Would suggest to me that the common wisdom is that living in the US is preferable to living in Iran.

[Anti Federalist]

What does that mean? What class of people are prohibited from getting a passport or leaving the country?

As is the case with most things that have stripped our liberty today, it's a "drug war" thing.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/2714

(a) Ineligibility for passport
(1) In general
A passport may not be issued to an individual who is convicted of an offense described in subsection (b) of this section during the period described in subsection (c) of this section if the individual used a passport or otherwise crossed an international border in committing the offense.
(2) Passport revocation
The Secretary of State shall revoke a passport previously issued to an individual who is ineligible to receive a passport under paragraph (1).
(b) Drug law offenses
(1) Felonies
Subsection (a) of this section applies with respect to any individual convicted of a Federal drug offense, or a State drug offense, if the offense is a felony.
(2) Certain misdemeanors
Subsection (a) of this section also applies with respect to an individual convicted of a Federal drug offense, or a State drug offense, if the offense is [1] misdemeanor, but only if the Secretary of State determines that subsection (a) of this section should apply with respect to that individual on account of that offense. This paragraph does not apply to an individual’s first conviction for a misdemeanor which involves only possession of a controlled substance.
(c) Period of ineligibility
Subsection (a) of this section applies during the period that the individual—
(1) is imprisoned, or is legally required to be imprisoned, as the result of the conviction for the offense described in subsection (b) of this section; or
(2) is on parole or other supervised release after having been imprisoned as the result of that conviction.
(d) Emergency and humanitarian exceptions
Notwithstanding subsection (a) of this section, the Secretary of State may issue a passport, in emergency circumstances or for humanitarian reasons, to an individual with respect to whom that subsection applies.
(e) Definitions
As used in this section—
(1) the term “controlled substance” has the same meaning as is provided in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802);
(2) the term “Federal drug offense” means a violation of—
(A) the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 801 et seq.) or the Controlled Substances Import and Export Act (21 U.S.C. 951 et seq.);
(B) any other Federal law involving controlled substances; or
(C) subchapter II of chapter 53 of title 31 (commonly referred to as the “Bank Secrecy Act”), or section 1956 orsection 1957 of title 18 (commonly referred to as the “Money Laundering Act”), if the Secretary of State determines that the violation is related to illicit production of or trafficking in a controlled substance;
(3) the term “felony” means a criminal offense punishable by death or imprisonment for more than one year;
(4) the term “imprisoned” means an individual is confined in or otherwise restricted to a jail-type institution, a half-way house, a treatment facility, or another institution, on a full or part-time basis, pursuant to the sentence imposed as the result of a conviction;
(5) the term “misdemeanor” means a criminal offense other than a felony;
(6) the term “State drug offense” means a violation of State law involving the manufacture, distribution, or possession of a controlled substance; and
(7) the term “State law” means the law of a State of the United States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, or a territory or possession of the United States.

[Anti Federalist]

Many of the people who sympathize with blowback cannot fathom that a Muslim would ever commit a violent act. They can't all be false flags. If we're creating so many terrorists at some point they have to actually terrorize.

Black people commit many more violent crimes daily, than Muslim terrorists do in a year.

Wonder what would happen if we started profiling them like Muslims?

Could an average weekend in NOLA's Ninth Ward, Chicago's South Side or Riviera Beach be considered terrorism?

If so, why? What is the cause of the blowback there?

[phill4paul]

Guess I never looked into it that much.


Read: But, I have an opinion!

[phill4paul]

Wonder what would happen if we started profiling them like Muslims?

Umm, don't we AF? Stop and Frisk NYC? Drug war USA?

I'm wondering what the airport shakedown is looking like with regards to race. Is it a "War on Drugs" ratio or is it a P.C. ratio for the TSA?

[Anti Federalist]

Umm, don't we AF? Stop and Frisk NYC? Drug war USA?

I'm wondering what the airport shakedown is looking like with regards to race. Is it a "War on Drugs" ratio or is it a P.C. ratio for the TSA?

I know, that was my point...these things are outrageous and should never be accepted or tolerated, regardless of who it is. Once you grant the premise for one group well, it's only a matter of time before it's everybody.

PC ratio, definitely.

Old ladies, nuns, kids, WWII vets...

[phill4paul]

Old ladies, nuns, kids, WWII vets...

Known terrorists.....all.

[BlackTerrel]

Black people commit many more violent crimes daily, than Muslim terrorists do in a year.

Wonder what would happen if we started profiling them like Muslims?

Have I argued for profiling?


Could an average weekend in NOLA's Ninth Ward, Chicago's South Side or Riviera Beach be considered terrorism?

If so, why? What is the cause of the blowback there?

Except I've never suggested that no black person has ever committed a crime. Ever. Some of these Muslim terrorist threads seem this way.

No one is willing to accept that a Muslim would ever ever ever commit a violent act or hurt someone. Yet many of these same people agree with Ron Paul on the concept of blowback. These two opinions contradict themselves.


Put it this way: if there was a thread about a group of black people hanging out in a jewelery store at 2 AM and they said they were just checking out the view no one here would say "there is no chance, 0% that these guys had bad intentions or even the thought of stealing something" - yet this is basically what happened here.

Even suggesting that a bunch of foreign Muslims hanging out at reservoir after midnight MIGHT have less than pure intentions is considered racism. Really?

[BlackTerrel]

And for the record I'm not saying they're guilty of anything. Maybe they were doing something harmful, maybe they were just checking out the view, or maybe they were high and thought it would be funny to pee in it.

But I would never dismiss anything out of hand with such limited information. I wouldn't do that for any group.

Yet the tone of this thread is that it's so preposterous that a Muslim would ever commit harm to anyone. We had a guy say it was just as likely they were purifying the water as harming it.

No one would ever give so much benefit of the doubt to any other group besides Muslims. If it was a group of blacks, or Jews, or Asians there wouldn't be so many people rushing in saying there was no chance in hell these guys had any bad intentions.

[BlackTerrel]

So everyone is buying the official government story on this one I guess.

Nothing to see here folks. Move along. Down the memory hole.