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K1RBY
11-25-2007, 08:00 PM
right now on DRUDGE headline - buchanan is preaching rons gospel, in a big serious way.

we all know buchanan supports RP, but the problem is, most people dont know that he is 95% in line with RP's platform.

now is a good time for Pat to openly endorse Ron Paul.
i sugest a mass plea to buchanan to openly endorse RP, as he is going to be doing tons of interviews about this upcoming book over the next week.


check out: http://www.drudgereport.com

K1RBY
11-25-2007, 08:20 PM
you can email a request for Buchanan to openly endorse Ron Paul to:

LindaMuller@Buchanan.org


..i dont normally like mass emailings, but i thik this is critical in getting through to the Old Right wing of the rupublican party.

Chester Copperpot
11-25-2007, 08:24 PM
you can email a request for Buchanan to openly endorse Ron Paul to:

LindaMuller@Buchanan.org


..i dont normally like mass emailings, but i thik this is critical in getting through to the Old Right wing of the rupublican party.

EMAIL SENT!

YOu know years ago when Buchanan was running I remember that he was portrayed by the MSM as being a nazi and racist (sound familar?) I was naive about the MSM back then, but not now..

Buchanan endorsing Paul and helping him win would be rightful vengeance I think.

hocaltar
11-25-2007, 08:35 PM
You ain't seen anything yet. Everytime Buchanan writes a new book, Drudge plugs with a headline. He did it for DotW, and invasion. Both excellent books, although Death of the West will probably make you cry. There is simply no solution for replacing our numbers. Our currency has devalued so much that we can't afford to have more than one or two children.

Pat Buchanan and Drudge will give Ron Paul all the publicity when the time comes. once Dr. Paul hits 10% it will be game on.

Ron Paul Rising!

Nathan Hale
11-25-2007, 08:53 PM
Buchanan won't endorse anyone. Right now he makes his living as a paid political analyst. Endorsing a candidate undermines his ability to analyze the situation and thus threatens his lifeline.

TruckinMike
11-26-2007, 07:34 AM
If they believe that the end of America is near... and Ron Paul supports their positions, then they are selfish rats for having not shown public support -- 2 months ago. Dr. Paul needs their support now. Not after 10%:mad:

My guess is that Pat B. doesn't want to tarnish his image by associating with a "kook". He has a book coming out you know...

TM

JMann
11-26-2007, 11:01 AM
Buchanan won't endorse anyone. Right now he makes his living as a paid political analyst. Endorsing a candidate undermines his ability to analyze the situation and thus threatens his lifeline.

If Paul would be interested in hiring Buchanan as a senior consultant I would think there is a chance Pat may be interested in being involved in one more campaign. CNN, FOX or MSNBC will always pick him back up after the election if he was looking to return to the pundit class.

I have felt for a long time that PJB would be a great addition if money became available. Buchanan could work on speeches and help Paul navigate New Hampshire and South Carolina. The time is getting late for that and Pat will be on the circuit promoting his book for the next week or two.

Korey Kaczynski
11-26-2007, 11:03 AM
Buchanan won't endorse anyone. Right now he makes his living as a paid political analyst. Endorsing a candidate undermines his ability to analyze the situation and thus threatens his lifeline.

I see all the other analysts working for candidates while still being analysts for news stations...

curtisag
11-26-2007, 11:23 AM
Shawn Hannity is a damn Giuliani supporter. Talking heads can come out in favor of a given candidate. And anybody who's knowledgeable about Buchanan's ideas knows they align perfectly with Ron Paul's anyway.

iskimtsnow
11-26-2007, 11:29 AM
There is a BIG difference between Buchanan and RP (I hope). Buchanan is an extreme isolationist and xenophobe. His American utopia is circa 1955. When the country was white of European descent and you could drop out of high school and make a good living at the GM plant. His ideas of no immigration and punitive import tariffs would be a disaster to the US economy. I think we all agree our immigration policy is a mess, but not letting the best and brightest from around the world come to America would be a gigantic mistake. Better to have these people here as American taxpayers and job creators than compete against them back home in India and China. The world has changed since 1950. America needs to wake up to education crisis in this country. Everyone needs to realize that even a high school education is not adequate today. We have moved to the information age. The good jobs are in finance, internet, biotech, green energy etc. Trying to compete with 2 billion people on the Asian continent who are working the Barbie doll machine for $2 a day is a road to ruin, no matter how high the tariff. Ron Paul is all about free trade and intelligent immigration. To succeed we need an educated workforce and hard working entrepreneurial people from all over the world. That is what America is all about. The best and the brightest doing what the rest of the world thinks is impossible without regard to where you were born or what your customs are.

Spirit of '76
11-26-2007, 11:35 AM
My guess is that Pat B. doesn't want to tarnish his image by associating with a "kook". He has a book coming out you know...

TM

You're looking at it backwards.

Pat doesn't want to tarnish Ron's image.

There are few people the neocons, socialists, and Israel-firsters hate more than Patrick J. Buchanan. Do you recall how they dragged his name through the mud as soon as he won NH? They called him an isolationist, a demagogue, a hater, a bigot, an anti-semite, a nazi...

That meme still circulates, and Pat still lives with those unfair labels. I think he knows Ron has enough of that to deal with on his own without a Buchanan endorsement adding fuel to the media's fire.

So he's been quietly supporting Ron. His magazine, The American Conservative (http://amconmag.com), has devoted many pages of positive coverage to Ron. His blog (http://www.buchanan.org/blog/) has a whole category devoted solely to "Ron Paul News" (the only candidate so honored). He works tirelessly to spread the same ideas that Ron espouses, thus helping to pave the way for Ron and legitimize his ideas.

Buchanan is a shrewd politician who has been at this game for a long, long time. I'm sure if he thought that coming out boldly for Ron would help, he would do it. But I think he's taken a smarter course of action.

Spirit of '76
11-26-2007, 11:37 AM
They called him an isolationist, a demagogue, a hater, a bigot, an anti-semite, a nazi...

That meme still circulates, and Pat still lives with those unfair labels.


Buchanan is an extreme isolationist and xenophobe.

See what I mean? :rolleyes:

JMann
11-26-2007, 11:40 AM
There is a BIG difference between Buchanan and RP (I hope). Buchanan is an extreme isolationist and xenophobe. His American utopia is circa 1955. When the country was white of European descent and you could drop out of high school and make a good living at the GM plant. His ideas of no immigration and punitive import tariffs would be a disaster to the US economy. I think we all agree our immigration policy is a mess, but not letting the best and brightest from around the world come to America would be a gigantic mistake. Better to have these people here as American taxpayers and job creators than compete against them back home in India and China. The world has changed since 1950. America needs to wake up to education crisis in this country. Everyone needs to realize that even a high school education is not adequate today. We have moved to the information age. The good jobs are in finance, internet, biotech, green energy etc. Trying to compete with 2 billion people on the Asian continent who are working the Barbie doll machine for $2 a day is a road to ruin, no matter how high the tariff. Ron Paul is all about free trade and intelligent immigration. To succeed we need an educated workforce and hard working entrepreneurial people from all over the world. That is what America is all about. The best and the brightest doing what the rest of the world thinks is impossible without regard to where you were born or what your customs are.


Though I disagree with your ignorant recital of Buchanan's views I acknowledge the two people do not agree with on another 100% of the time but they share far more in common with one another than they don't. Buchanan has flirted with stopping legal immigration for a time usually just for a short period while sorting out the illegal issue but even with that said usually when he has run for office he has supported keeping some degree of legal immigration in place.

The idea that a country rids itself of manufacturing jobs because we can't run sweat shops is ridiculous. Everyone isn't going to get higher education and there should be good paying jobs for all classes. I suppose you think we should just send everyone to college? Who will pay for this?

curtisag
11-26-2007, 11:41 AM
Buchanan is NOT an extreme isolationist or a xenophobe. Get your facts straight and don't buy into the media propaganda. That's what they're doing to Ron Paul.

Nathan Hale
11-26-2007, 10:07 PM
If Paul would be interested in hiring Buchanan as a senior consultant I would think there is a chance Pat may be interested in being involved in one more campaign. CNN, FOX or MSNBC will always pick him back up after the election if he was looking to return to the pundit class.

I have felt for a long time that PJB would be a great addition if money became available. Buchanan could work on speeches and help Paul navigate New Hampshire and South Carolina. The time is getting late for that and Pat will be on the circuit promoting his book for the next week or two.

Well, as you said this is already a moot point. But even if it were a possibility, I don't know if Buchanan would want the campaign life. It's a hard road, whereas punditry is all green rooms and elbow rubbing.

Adamsa
11-26-2007, 10:10 PM
I think PJB could write some great speeches (as long as he doesn't write about immigration, that guy is too passionate about it :p) and do some great campaigning for Ron.

Nathan Hale
11-26-2007, 10:11 PM
I see all the other analysts working for candidates while still being analysts for news stations...

Such as?

Note: I don't contest that people who work for campaigns never get on these shows. The shows all have favorite consultants who work at the campaigns, but these guests are not akin in stature or screen time to paid pundits who work for the station.

paulitics
11-26-2007, 10:19 PM
If they believe that the end of America is near... and Ron Paul supports their positions, then they are selfish rats for having not shown public support -- 2 months ago. Dr. Paul needs their support now. Not after 10%:mad:

My guess is that Pat B. doesn't want to tarnish his image by associating with a "kook". He has a book coming out you know...

TM

possibly. He is smart and he endorses RP subtetly. Any Pat Buchanan fan will search for solutions and find RP. If he said it outright, it ould hurt more than help.

Adamsa
11-26-2007, 10:27 PM
possibly. He is smart and he endorses RP subtetly. Any Pat Buchanan fan will search for solutions and find RP. If he said it outright, it ould hurt more than help.

I doubt this is the case, immiediately after the SC debate, PJB wrote an article defending Ron against Rudy.

Vaughn
11-26-2007, 10:27 PM
There is a BIG difference between Buchanan and RP (I hope). Buchanan is an extreme isolationist and xenophobe. His American utopia is circa 1955. When the country was white of European descent and you could drop out of high school and make a good living at the GM plant. His ideas of no immigration and punitive import tariffs would be a disaster to the US economy. I think we all agree our immigration policy is a mess, but not letting the best and brightest from around the world come to America would be a gigantic mistake. Better to have these people here as American taxpayers and job creators than compete against them back home in India and China. The world has changed since 1950. America needs to wake up to education crisis in this country. Everyone needs to realize that even a high school education is not adequate today. We have moved to the information age. The good jobs are in finance, internet, biotech, green energy etc. Trying to compete with 2 billion people on the Asian continent who are working the Barbie doll machine for $2 a day is a road to ruin, no matter how high the tariff. Ron Paul is all about free trade and intelligent immigration. To succeed we need an educated workforce and hard working entrepreneurial people from all over the world. That is what America is all about. The best and the brightest doing what the rest of the world thinks is impossible without regard to where you were born or what your customs are.

I have always liked Pat Buchanan though I do disagree with him on certain issues, mostly in the social arena. I will agree with you that he is a bit more reactionary on immigration then Paul is , though xenophobe is a stretch. The big difference between the two is that Paul never blames the illegals and instead blames our failed federal policy that allows this to happen. Furthermore, Paul displays a clear and coherent immigration plan that will stabilize the situation by giving states the power to enforce immigration law as they see fit. Paul has never stated that he wished to halt immigration and it is on this issue that Pat is wrong. The whole "close the country up", argument is too extreme though he seems to be making it more out of desperation for the state of our nation then out of some idealogical philosophy. Pat and Ron have allot in common though they diverge in certain areas such as some social issues. Obviously Paul's positions are much more practical then Pat's. Remember Pat is a pundit while Paul is a Statesman. Just my take on the subject.