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Natural Citizen
05-11-2013, 09:34 PM
Apple has created a police waiting list because of high demand.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57583843-38/apple-deluged-by-police-demands-to-decrypt-iphones/


Aside... Newt Gingrich Having Some Trouble Understanding What a Smartphone Is (http://gawker.com/newt-gingrich-having-some-trouble-understanding-what-a-502219366)

People, we need to demand answers from our representatives regarding their position on the technology itself as well as the relevant sciences. Otherwise we'll continue to be at the wrong end of the first article. If they don't comprehend the science/technology of it what the heck makes you think they care how political lobbyists who actually are literate in these fields will use it against you?

Please wake up. I know we don't have a platform for this kind of discussion which impedes awareness in the general liberty minded community so maybe look to other sources for this kind of information. It's out there. People do actually care. Synergy works. Representatives need to be held accountable for catering to lobbyists regarding things they truly do not understand.

DamianTV
05-11-2013, 09:44 PM
So now probable cause is even having something the Cops can dig around in to find evidence. THis truly is Guilty Until Proven Innocent. And good luck with proving ones innocence once accused.

heavenlyboy34
05-11-2013, 09:57 PM
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57583843-38/apple-deluged-by-police-demands-to-decrypt-iphones/


Aside... Newt Gingrich Having Some Trouble Understanding What a Smartphone Is (http://gawker.com/newt-gingrich-having-some-trouble-understanding-what-a-502219366)

People, we need to demand answers from our representatives regarding their position on the technology itself as well as the relevant sciences. Otherwise we'll continue to be at the wrong end of the first article. If they don't comprehend the science/technology of it what the heck makes you think they care how political lobbyists who actually are literate in these fields will use it against you?

Please wake up. I know we don't have a platform for this kind of discussion which impedes awareness in the general liberty minded community so maybe look to other sources for this kind of information. It's out there. People do actually care.
I'm quite sure folks around here are awakened as to what tyranny the regime is and has been foisting upon us. The problem is that doing something about it isn't that realistic. "We" simply don't have the necessary leverage over "Them".

Natural Citizen
05-11-2013, 10:01 PM
I'm quite sure folks around here are awakened as to what tyranny the regime is and has been foisting upon us. The problem is that doing something about it isn't that realistic. "We" simply don't have the necessary leverage over "Them".

Is very simple. All you have to is force representatives to respond with their position regarding these technologies/sciences. Force them to say "Well...ah...hm...uh...." Turn the light on. They'll scatter. But it requres that the question actually be asked of them.

Requires organization though. A place for the correct questions. To not have that is conforming to the existing model which is introduced via these lobbies to ignorant politicians and then applied to you. Is basically soliciting it. Essentially you get what you ask for. If you ask for nothing then that's what you get from them. Well...nothing you want anyway.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VLbWnJGlyMU

better-dead-than-fed
05-12-2013, 08:37 AM
It's not clear whether ... Apple has created a backdoor for police.... Apple declined to discuss its law enforcement policies when contacted this week by CNET.
The second sentence makes it clear that Apple has created a backdoor for police.

better-dead-than-fed
05-12-2013, 08:43 AM
So now probable cause is even having something the Cops can dig around in to find evidence. THis truly is Guilty Until Proven Innocent. And good luck with proving ones innocence once accused.

Before SCOTUS rewrote the Constitution in the 1960's, the Fourth Amendment didn't even allow police to search/seize mere evidence. For most of our history, search/seizure was used to obtain contraband and stolen property only.


In Gouled v. United States, ... the Court said that search warrants "may not be used as a means of gaining access to a man's house or office and papers solely for the purpose of making search to secure evidence to be used against him in a criminal or penal proceeding . . . ." ...

The premise in Gouled that government may not seize evidence simply for the purpose of proving crime has ... been discredited....

Warden, Md. Penitentiary v. Hayden, 387 US 294 - Supreme Court 1967 (http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=91164524422769366)