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green73
05-10-2013, 09:28 AM
The president's recently formed grass-roots campaign operation revealed Thursday that it plans to attack Republicans who question radical global warming hype, dubbing them "crazy" purveyors of "far-fetched conspiracy theories."

In a fundraising memo from President Obama's re-election campaign manager, Organizing for Action slammed "climate deniers" and their doubts, which Jim Messina compared to the nutty things a crazy uncle would say at Thanksgiving dinner.

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http://washingtonexaminer.com/team-obama-calls-global-warming-doubters-crazy/article/2529291

Henry Rogue
05-10-2013, 09:32 AM
president's recently formed grass-roots campaign operation Oxymoron.

libertyjam
05-10-2013, 09:37 AM
Bam!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrI03ts--9I

Natural Citizen
05-10-2013, 09:47 AM
Arctic Ocean acidifying rapidly... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22408341

jkr
05-10-2013, 09:56 AM
WHEN YOU DONT HAVE A LEGG TO STAND ON RESORT TO NAMECALLING- SAUL ALINSKY

green73
05-10-2013, 09:58 AM
Arctic Ocean acidifying rapidly... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22408341


http://www.ksvoboda.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/scared-to-death.png

green73
05-10-2013, 10:00 AM
Arctic Ocean acidifying rapidly... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22408341

http://s8.favim.com/orig/72/collage-acid-bones-cartoon-Favim.com-689226.jpg

green73
05-10-2013, 10:03 AM
Brain-eating Amoebas!

http://newnostradamusofthenorth.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/latest-warmist-scare-brain-eating.html

green73
05-10-2013, 10:06 AM
Seriously though,

The Myth of ‘Acidification’ of Oceans
http://principia-scientific.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=133

Also
http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2013/05/08/the-drama-queen-files-exhibit-5/

libertyjam
05-10-2013, 10:16 AM
Arctic Ocean acidifying rapidly... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22408341

NOAA’s Pacific Marine Environment Laboratory Carbon Program goes overboard on ocean acidification – leaves uncorrected error
Posted on June 30, 2012 by Anthony Watts

This letter to Dr. Richard A. Feely of NOAA’s Pacific Marine Environment Laboratory Carbon Program in Seattle, WA was sent by Chuck F. Wiese on Wednesday. Chuck also asked me to post it on WUWT but I wanted to see if NOAA would fix the error on the web page first. It is now Saturday, and they haven’t, so I think a public notice is appropriate. I suppose I’m not surprised though, since Dr. Feely lists “Nobel Peace Prize (co-shared with Al Gore and other members of IPCC) – 2007” on his web page. I suppose anyone who lists Al Gore along with the gross errors he makes, such as his laughably non-reproducible “high school physics” of CO2, would not bother to correct their own gross errors. – Anthony

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Dear Dr. Feely:

I exchanged e-mails with you a while back over a story that ran in the Oregonian on April 12, 2012. It was about “ocean acidification” that was supposedly killing off what would otherwise be healthy oyster harvests here in the Northwest, The story can be found here:

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2012/04/oregon_state_research_traces_o.html

An OSU researcher who gave the story to the Oregonian, Alan Barton, had incorrectly asserted that the ocean pH had risen 30% because of human CO2 emissions and gave that as the reason the oyster harvests had been suffering. And he qualified that statement by stating that the ocean pH had moved .1 unit towards acidity over the last century.

But as you know, the equation for the pH of an aqueous solution is logarithmic and defined as pH = -log[ H+ ] . As you also know, there are 14 orders of magnitude that define the pH scale from zero to fourteen units as per this equation. So a movement of .1 units towards acidity cannot equal a 30% increase in acidity as claimed in this article. It is actually .1/14 or only 7/10ths of 1%. In order for there to be the increase cited, the researchers solved it for the hydrogen ion concentration and computed that change instead and called it the change in acidity. So if we moved .1 units towards acidity from the alkaline 8.2 to 8.1 oceans and compared the change, we have [delta H+] = 8 E-9/6 E-9 = 1.33 or a 33% increase in the hydrogen ion concentration, not an increase of 33% in the pH. None the less, that is how the story was reported and it is wrong.

Since the natural variation of ocean pH can be up to 5% in either direction, I am speculating that in order to make the story seem legitimate, a gross exaggeration of fact was needed to sell it and hence the switch and bait tactic was used with the pH equation.

You agreed with me in my premise that hydrogen ion concentration makes up the pH but it is not defined by that number because the number of ions in an aqueous solution of water are very large. That was the whole idea behind creating a logarithmic scale with the 14 orders of magnitude to define it. I reported this to the Oregonian readership and thought the issue was settled. But then I found this:

http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/What+is+Ocean+Acidification%3F

In this explanation offered by NOAA, of which you are a senior scientist, we are back to the trickery of claiming the ocean acidity has increased by 30%. Are you aware of this NOAA information page? It needs an immediate correction. The ocean pH has been changing everywhere within natural variations. There is no provable decrease that can be identified with atmospheric CO2 that is related to human activity. Does Jane Lubchenco understand this? She has made numerous and completely false assertions that the up welling ocean water off of the Northwest coasts ( that will be on the rise because of the switch to cold phase PDO in 2007 that will run thirty years and likely decrease the pH additionally ) is attributable to human caused climate change. There is absolutely no proof of this and as far as meteorologists can tell, the mid and north Pacific Hadley cell summer circulation has intensified on schedule and is behaving perfectly normally in the cold phase of this ocean cycle. Either you or Lubchenco need to correct this page. It is misleading the public.

Sincerely,

Chuck F. Wiese

Meteorologist

libertyjam
05-10-2013, 10:20 AM
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/10/ocean-acidification-chicken-of-the-sea-little-strikes-again/

Antischism
05-10-2013, 10:22 AM
The truth is somewhere in the middle.

PSYOP
05-10-2013, 10:30 AM
Global warming is a real phenomenon but nothing to the extent of which the left would have you think

RM918
05-10-2013, 10:32 AM
This is pretty standard for politics these days where people are so entrenched in their Blue and Red teams that they actually start thinking anyone who doesn't think like them is mentally broken.

green73
05-10-2013, 10:33 AM
Global warming is a real phenomenon but nothing to the extent of which the left would have you think

The earth has been warming since the last ice age, save for the last 16 years.

better-dead-than-fed
05-10-2013, 11:03 AM
Republicans who question radical global warming hype, dubbing them "crazy" purveyors of "far-fetched conspiracy theories."

That's nothing that a little civil-commitment can't fix.

oyarde
05-10-2013, 11:06 AM
I care not if I am Crazy , Fuck 'em .

jkob
05-10-2013, 11:31 AM
Go ahead Obama it's not 2005 anymore. The oceans haven't risen up and killed us all, there are still polar bears, there are not numerous super hurricanes crushing our coasts. The fearmongers are the crazy people and when their own dumb predictions don't happen they lose all credibility.

oyarde
05-10-2013, 11:34 AM
Go ahead Obama it's not 2005 anymore. The oceans haven't risen up and killed us all, there are still polar bears, there are not numerous super hurricanes crushing our coasts. The fearmongers are the crazy people and when their own dumb predictions don't happen they lose all credibility.

Polar Bear population is at an all time high, and they are all still left handed.

TruckinMike
05-10-2013, 03:16 PM
Bam!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrI03ts--9I

Great Vid! People should watch this!

Seraphim
05-10-2013, 03:21 PM
The key is that it has NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING, to do with human action.

The sun is driving climate change. To believe otherwise is a state of mental toxicity.

We are polluting our environment. That's it. It is scientifically false to think/say WE are the cause of the globe getting any warmer (or cooler!). The level of arrogance is comical.


Global warming is a real phenomenon but nothing to the extent of which the left would have you think

Dr.3D
05-10-2013, 04:07 PM
The key is that is has NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING, to do with human action.

The sun is driving climate change. To believe otherwise is a state of mental toxicity.

We are polluting our environment. That's it. It is scientifically false to think/say WE are the cause of the globe getting any warmer (or cooler!). The level of arrogance is comical.

Well, they don't want to hear about how the other planets are having "climate change" just like the one we are on.

Seraphim
05-10-2013, 07:14 PM
Exactly. The subterrain ice caps under Mars are also melting. This is SOLAR driven, without a shadow of doubt.


Well, they don't want to hear about how the other planets are having "climate change" just like the one we are on.

bolil
05-10-2013, 07:29 PM
Meh, the Priest class is at it again. We call them scientists now.

200 years is to short a time to yield any reliable data as regards things of this magnitude involving this many variables. I happen to believe that 'climate change' is inevitable. Should cows stop farting and people stop driving tomorrow, the climate is still going to change and drastically. God gave me the wisdom to, serenely, accept this thing I cannot change. That an undereducated twat such as myself can see this leads me to believe that the 'scientist class' are being disingenuous in their panic.

Speaking of variables, it has always seemed to me like there are many. Why is it all of the so call studies only consider one? I write such studies off as prejudiced.

PaulConventionWV
05-10-2013, 07:49 PM
The truth is somewhere in the middle.

Lol... no.

anaconda
05-10-2013, 08:24 PM
I thought the meme had switched to "climate change." Obama is not keeping current with his propaganda.

Henry Rogue
05-10-2013, 08:26 PM
Meh, the Priest class is at it again. We call them scientists now.

200 years is to short a time to yield any reliable data as regards things of this magnitude involving this many variables. I happen to believe that 'climate change' is inevitable. Should cows stop farting and people stop driving tomorrow, the climate is still going to change and drastically. God gave me the wisdom to, serenely, accept this thing I cannot change. That an undereducated twat such as myself can see this leads me to believe that the 'scientist class' are being disingenuous in their panic.

Speaking of variables, it has always seemed to me like there are many. Why is it all of the so call studies only consider one? I write such studies off as prejudiced.
Panic begets funding, funding is how those very scientist make money. And yes they are human and subject to human foibles.

oyarde
05-10-2013, 11:00 PM
Meh, the Priest class is at it again. We call them scientists now.

200 years is to short a time to yield any reliable data as regards things of this magnitude involving this many variables. I happen to believe that 'climate change' is inevitable. Should cows stop farting and people stop driving tomorrow, the climate is still going to change and drastically. God gave me the wisdom to, serenely, accept this thing I cannot change. That an undereducated twat such as myself can see this leads me to believe that the 'scientist class' are being disingenuous in their panic.

Speaking of variables, it has always seemed to me like there are many. Why is it all of the so call studies only consider one? I write such studies off as prejudiced.

Priest Class , I like it .

paulbot24
05-10-2013, 11:47 PM
Interesting how we are taught to feel guilty regarding industrialization and what it is currently doing to the environment here in America as if our country's environmental policies actually direct the globe. These guilt trips are driven by the same media that tells us that the air quality in China in their major cities is so bad that people buy canned air if they can afford it just to experience "clean air." I don't doubt that they have dirty air over there, but where is the talk of what China's destructively careless attitude is doing to the rest of the globe? Not a word. I have yet to see one prediction, chart, or timeline that illustrates how China's lack of environmental policies are dooming us all and if this continues, it wouldn't even be America the great that ushers the globe into some boiling death. Yet these same American businesses, many who donate to administrations that push this idea, clearly don't have a problem investing even more money into China's infrastructure, while continue to prove to the world we can master cronyism and be our own worst enemy at the same time. What a hat trick.

DamianTV
05-11-2013, 12:19 AM
Every Science has a counter Pseudo Science. The one that typically is endorsed is the one that is most beneficial to the promoting the endorsers agenda.

For example, Astronomy has Astrology. Mathematics has Numerology. I could write a whole list, but its pointless.

Now if the Govt wanted to foribly implement a Carbon Tax on every single Mundane on the entire planet, which side of the Global Warming debate do you think they'll endorse? Which point of view is going to help promote Agenda 21? Which one is going to allow more for them and less for us?

Working Poor
05-11-2013, 03:55 AM
Obama just wants to tax our breath.

Falcon63
05-11-2013, 05:35 AM
I agree with them. If you don't believe global warming is real, you're foolish.

Either way, you should always try and save the environment and stay "green", so whether it exists or not is irrelevant.

John F Kennedy III
05-11-2013, 05:39 AM
We're all worried about global warming and BAM! ICE AGE!

http://notrickszone.com/2013/03/25/flagship-daily-die-welt-stuns-germany-scientists-warn-of-ice-age-cites-new-peer-reviewed-russian-study/

Henry Rogue
05-11-2013, 07:56 AM
I agree with them. If you don't believe global warming is real, you're foolish.

Either way, you should always try and save the environment and stay "green", so whether it exists or not is irrelevant.
It's foolish to blindly except anything without questioning it and that's what we do here, question. It's foolish to except imposed austerity on the mundane masses, carbon tax and agenda 21. These create poverty.

tod evans
05-11-2013, 08:09 AM
I done learnt all I needs to know at the government sponsored institute of higher learnin'...

Go team rah!

green73
05-11-2013, 08:30 AM
Priest Class , I like it .

It's true, since the oligarchs replaced priests with "intellectuals" after the enlightenment.

torchbearer
05-11-2013, 08:32 AM
I done learnt all I needs to know at the government sponsored institute of higher learnin'...

Go team rah!

obama reminds me more of apophis.
http://www.earthlyissues.com/images/apophis.jpg

Sola_Fide
05-11-2013, 08:56 AM
Everyone who doesn't believe in the state endorsed religions of evolution and global warming are "nuts" and "kooks". The state endorses these two religions because they are so easily used to control the people and grow the size and scope of government.

DamianTV
05-11-2013, 01:11 PM
Terror is another Govt Religion...

Falcon63
05-11-2013, 02:41 PM
It's foolish to blindly except anything without questioning it and that's what we do here, question. It's foolish to except imposed austerity on the mundane masses, carbon tax and agenda 21. These create poverty.
Where do you get the idea that I have not questioned it? I have done my research, and it is very apparent that global warming is indeed a major problem that exists.

But again, whether it exists or not, we should strive to "go green".

bolil
05-11-2013, 04:18 PM
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Henry Rogue
05-11-2013, 07:28 PM
Bam!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrI03ts--9I Great video libertyjam, it bears repeating.

Peace

pcosmar
05-11-2013, 07:32 PM
Yeah,, I'm crazy.
And it is snowing here today.

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Sault+Sainte+Marie&state=MI&site=APX&textField1=46.4846&textField2=-84.3655&e=0


Tonight
Snow showers likely, mainly after 2am. Cloudy, with a steady temperature around 35. West wind around 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 70%. Total nighttime snow accumulation of around 2 inches.

Sunday
Snow showers before 11am, then rain and snow showers. High near 38. Breezy, with a northwest wind around 25 mph, with gusts as high as 40 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of around an inch possible.

oyarde
05-11-2013, 07:34 PM
The whole thing, as far as Govt.'s are concerened is just a tool to tax/steal more .