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Warlord
05-09-2013, 01:17 AM
Typically stupid article talking about race but of course nothing to do with why they vote GOP it's because they want to send a conservative candidate and yes believe it or not Democrats were once conservative and in states like AR and KY still are.

The reality is they reject liberalism: Candidates who run on a platform of big spending, higher taxes, redistribution and pro-choice are just not going to get anywhere. FL is now becoming an exception (no mention in this article that Obama won it twice) because of changing demographics and a huge senior block who they can promise goodies to but it's still pretty conservative.

As the Obamacare "train wreck" takes place then it's just going to make things even worse for Dems in the south and could be the final in the coffin in states like AR, KY, FL. We'll see.

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The futility of the Deep South Democrat

Mark Sanford was probably never beatable, and the reason dates back about 50 years

There was a certain futility to Elizabeth Colbert Busch’s congressional campaign, one that had nothing to do with her and everything to do with the state and region she calls home.

When a poll a few weeks ago put her ahead of former Gov. Mark Sanford by 9 points in South Carolina’s 1st District special election, Democrats perked up at the prospect of an unlikely victory in the heart of Dixie. But there was reason to be skeptical of that poll, and when the votes were tallied Tuesday night reality asserted itself quickly, with Sanford posting a relatively easy 54-45 percent win.

In hindsight, no one should be surprised. There’s plenty of chatter this morning about supposed turning points in the race, dramatic moments when Sanford snatched the momentum from his Democratic opponent and won over reluctant swing voters. But who knows if Sanford was ever really trailing by that much in the first place. More likely, the SC-1 special election is simply the latest example of white voters in the South – and particularly the Deep South – doing what they almost always do these days: vote Republican.

This is the story of modern Southern politics. From the end of Reconstruction through the civil rights revolution, the South was an almost uniformly Democratic region. In 1936, for example, Franklin Roosevelt won more than 98 percent of the vote in South Carolina. Race wasn’t the only reason for the South’s shift toward the GOP, but it was the biggest single driver. In 1948, northern liberals inserted a civil rights plank into the national Democratic platform, prompting a walkout of Southern delegations – which then coalesced around the third party Dixiecrat candidacy of Strom Thurmond. An uneasy truce between national and Southern Democrats was reached after that election, but it was untenable. When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the modern Southern GOP was born. Nationally, LBJ crushed Barry Goldwater in the fall of ’64, racking up more than 60 percent of the popular vote. But Goldwater carried five Southern states – winning 59 percent in South Carolina, 69 percent in Alabama and 87 percent in Mississippi.

It took a long time for the basic pattern established in ’64 to be reflected up and down the ballot, but today white Southerners are almost as loyal to the Republican Party as they once were to the Democrats. GOP presidential candidates customarily win more than 70 percent of the white vote in the South, success that in the past two decades has at last trickled down to the local and state legislative levels. This is particularly true in the Deep South, which encompasses South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana. Exit polling was intermittent last November, but in Mississippi Mitt Romney gobbled up 89 percent of the white vote; with Barack Obama winning 96 percent of the black vote, this translated into a 55-44 percent Romney win in the state.

In this environment, Democratic success in the Deep South is mostly limited to district-level races in majority black areas. A number of African-American Democrats represent the region in the U.S. House, with districts created and protected by the Voting Rights Act. But where white voters constitute majorities, affiliation with the Democratic Party is often the kiss of death for a candidate.

More than anything else, this explains Colbert Busch’s defeat. South Carolina’s 1st District is 75 percent white. It voted for Romney by 18 points last year. Its modern history is a microcosm of South Carolina’s and the South’s. For decades, the district was represented in the House by L. Mendel Rivers, a Democrat who joined the ’48 convention walkout and backed Thurmond’s Dixiecrat candidacy, who warned that civil rights legislation in the ‘60s would produce “bloodshed,” and flirted with George Wallace in 1968. By the time Rivers died in office in 1970, the GOP was gaining momentum in the region; in the special election to replace him, a conservative Democrat – Mendel Davis – barely beat the Republican candidate, James Edwards. In 1980, the GOP finally broke through, with Thomas Hartnett winning the seat, and since then only Republicans have held it.

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tod evans
05-09-2013, 02:46 AM
A supposedly race neutral publication poking and prodding racial disparity....


Whoda thunk.

BamaAla
05-09-2013, 03:44 AM
South Carolina is not "the heart of Dixie." Alabama is "The Heart of Dixie." As to the rest of the article, same ole same; the south is backwards, retarded, and racist because we like guns and vote for the red team.

leverguy
05-09-2013, 05:20 AM
Meh. They've been rewriting the same article for at least 50 years, and then acting like their South = racism conclusion is some new revelation every time. What really pisses them off and makes them keep writing it is that the South doesn't care what Salon thinks...

Warlord
05-09-2013, 05:30 AM
Meh. They've been rewriting the same article for at least 50 years, and then acting like their South = racism conclusion is some new revelation every time. What really pisses them off and makes them keep writing it is that the South doesn't care what Salon thinks...

Yeah and I lol'd at people in the Sanford threads demanding twitter reports from his district about how voting is going like anyone from there would go on twitter and be pestered by the liberal trolls and progressives who take it over to spread their socialist poison.

No, they spoke at the ballot box and very forcefully too... much to the mainstream media's surprise who live in an echo chamber and kept telling themselves Sanford was losing or in a tight race.

RonPaulFanInGA
05-09-2013, 05:36 AM
The North is where the real racism in the U.S. resides. Many of those states, CT, MA, VT, etc. are overwhelmingly, 90%+ white. It's easy to hold your nose up high when you don't witness black gang crime or schools/emergency rooms/DMVs/etc. flooded with illegal immigrants from Mexico.

ClydeCoulter
05-09-2013, 05:45 AM
All the money spent on the ECB campaign that could have been saved, if only they had been listening to Salon.

Austrian Econ Disciple
05-09-2013, 05:54 AM
The North is where the real racism in the U.S. resides. Many of those states, CT, MA, VT, etc. are overwhelmingly, 90%+ white. It's easy to hold your nose up high when you don't witness black gang crime or schools/emergency rooms/DMVs/etc. flooded with illegal immigrants from Mexico.

It's funny too. I used to live in Maryland, and no one would be caught dead going into downtown Baltimore. The Inner Harbor only for the vast majority of the people. Whereas down here, people trek into downtown St. Pete and Tampa...granted, it isn't nearly as dangerous, but it's not far off either. It's also sad too, because almost all of the crime can be brought at the feet of the idiotic Drug War. You're also right that the North is almost entirely White, which, ironically is never even mentioned by Progressives. My question using their twisted logic - Why you so Racist Maine, Vermont, Connecticut, New Hampshire (love you folks, but...yeah..), Rhode Island (is there even one black person living in RI?), and Massachusetts with your 85% whiteness.

Antischism
05-09-2013, 06:02 AM
Racism and dumb people are everywhere. Both parties are shit. Party politics and race baiting are both fatuous. Liberal and conservative websites both post stupid shit. Just another day.

ThePenguinLibertarian
05-09-2013, 07:18 AM
They also wrote about how Obama should destroy the south and change them. Salon still stands because of the Rich, White, Liberal reading block that sadly still resides in the coasts of america. The only democrats that are racial are in NYC, but even then they are more racist than ever. Who the hell cares about anybody's race. If you believe in liberty, freedom and the constitution, then your welcome.

talkingpointes
05-09-2013, 07:24 AM
It's funny too. I used to live in Maryland, and no one would be caught dead going into downtown Baltimore. The Inner Harbor only for the vast majority of the people. Whereas down here, people trek into downtown St. Pete and Tampa...granted, it isn't nearly as dangerous, but it's not far off either. It's also sad too, because almost all of the crime can be brought at the feet of the idiotic Drug War. You're also right that the North is almost entirely White, which, ironically is never even mentioned by Progressives. My question using their twisted logic - Why you so Racist Maine, Vermont, Connecticut, New Hampshire (love you folks, but...yeah..), Rhode Island (is there even one black person living in RI?), and Massachusetts with your 85% whiteness.

I've been to Providence,RI it's very mixed.(along with Bridgeport,CT) The rest of norther New England is not.

opal
05-09-2013, 09:18 AM
Every time I see *salon* in a thread title.. I am expecting hair care tips..

paulbot24
05-09-2013, 09:33 AM
Every time I see *salon* in a thread title.. I am expecting hair care tips..

LOL me too. Regardless, they still sound like a bunch of hairdressers discussing politics.

Keith and stuff
05-09-2013, 09:46 AM
The North is where the real racism in the U.S. resides. Many of those states, CT, MA, VT, etc. are overwhelmingly, 90%+ white. It's easy to hold your nose up high when you don't witness black gang crime or schools/emergency rooms/DMVs/etc. flooded with illegal immigrants from Mexico.
Lol. Racism is funny because there is only 1 human race. Based on my experiences, people are more likely to prejudge in negative ways in the South than New England. My guess is that experience is nearly universal but I could be wrong.

As for MA, in the terms you are using, it is 84% White or 76% white, depending on how you look at it, not 90%+. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts
As for Boston, the major city in New England, in the terms you are using, it is 54% White or 47% White. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston#Demographics


I agree that the South certainly does suck but people are much more likely to consider the color of a person's skin when they vote in the South than anywhere else I've been for an extended period of time in the US, IMO.

thoughtomator
05-09-2013, 09:48 AM
Every time I see *salon* in a thread title.. I am expecting hair care tips..

You'd benefit more if it actually were hair care tips.

Even if those tips were wrong.

Anti Federalist
05-09-2013, 10:13 AM
South Carolina is not "the heart of Dixie." Alabama is "The Heart of Dixie." As to the rest of the article, same ole same; the south is backwards, retarded, and racist because we like guns and vote for the red team.

So they should be happy when there is talk of seceding, right?

Oh, wait...

Anti Federalist
05-09-2013, 10:17 AM
Why is "One Party" rule "progressive" and "enlightened" when practiced in one state, say CA, MA or IL?

And backwards and possibly racist when practiced in another state, say AL, LA or TX?

shane77m
05-09-2013, 10:19 AM
The author of the article probably "sucks" as well.

fr33
05-09-2013, 10:26 AM
Ask me during the August heat wave and I'll probably agree.

jbauer
05-09-2013, 10:43 AM
How do they explain the blue states of New York, Illinois, Minnesota etc. Where if you take out the metropolitan areas they're as RED as anything in the south?

It isn't North vs South, its Urban vs Rural. It just so happens to be that there is more rural in the South then the North.

jbauer
05-09-2013, 10:46 AM
Lol. Racism is funny because there is only 1 human race. Based on my experiences, people are more likely to prejudge in negative ways in the South than New England. My guess is that experience is nearly universal but I could be wrong.

As for MA, in the terms you are using, it is 84% White or 76% white, depending on how you look at it, not 90%+. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts
As for Boston, the major city in New England, in the terms you are using, it is 54% White or 47% White. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston#Demographics


I agree that the South certainly does suck but people are much more likely to consider the color of a person's skin when they vote in the South than anywhere else I've been for an extended period of time in the US, IMO.

Lived in the Midwest and the South. Traveled to many other places. There isn't any more or less racism anywhere. In the South "they're" more worried about the Muslims then the Black people.