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Brian4Liberty
05-08-2013, 05:21 PM
Meanwhile in Western Kurdistan, formerly "Syria".

All the pieces fall into place. The deals are done. Armed Kurdish forces leave Turkey to join their brethren in Greater Kurdistan (formerly Syria and Iraq). Turkey has to be happy with that part of the arrangement. Now to seal the deal in Syria...


Kurdish Militants Begin Historic Withdrawal From Turkey

Today marks the beginning of the pullback of thousands of militant PKK fighters from Turkey back to Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq [B4L - Or will it really be Syria?] It's an important milestone in a delicate effort to end nearly three decades of bloodshed that have killed an estimated 35,000 people since 1984.

If the withdrawal is successful, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan will push for complete disarmament of the PKK, the Kurdistan Worker's Party. The party was founded as a Marxist-Leninist group to push for an independent Kurdistan comprising parts of Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria. Kurdish leaders, in turn, say that won't happen until Ankara enacts meaningful reforms giving Kurds greater use of their own language, and better access to the political process.
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Hugh Pope, Turkey program director for the International Crisis Group, says Turkey's increasing influence in the region – especially the largely Kurdish areas of northern Iraq and Syria – makes the current policy toward its own Kurdish population untenable.

"We have Turkey becoming the big brother of the Iraqi Kurds, and increasingly becoming the effective power in northern Syria, both of which areas have large amounts of Kurds...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/05/08/182241088/kurdish-militants-begin-historic-withdrawal-from-turkey

torchbearer
05-08-2013, 05:26 PM
very astute.

Brian4Liberty
05-08-2013, 05:29 PM
Western Kurdistan, formerly Syria


Kurdish Group Gaining Autonomy In Northern Syria

QAMISHLI, Syria — Bilingual signs, “Western Kurdistan” (Rojava in Kurdish) on car license plates, Kurdish security forces (Asayish), Kurdish courts, municipalities, flags, unions and schools teaching Kurdish. This is the new look of the Kurdish-majority Syrian northern regions, the outcome of the withdrawal of regime security forces in July 2012 and the result of a delicate coexistence between Baathist and Kurdish institutions.
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The Asayish are the newly formed Kurdish security forces, and despite having been formally created by the Supreme Kurdish Committee (SKC, the Syrian Kurdish coalition grouping all political forces founded in Erbil in July 2012), they serve as the PYD's police. This security apparatus now counts 13 branches in Syrian Kurdistan, also covering ethnically mixed cities like Qamishli. “We abide by an internal statute, which was drafted by jurists belonging to the Kurdish Supreme Committee,” said Ahmad Darwish, the Asayish spokesman in Qamishli.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/05/pyd-pkk-syria-kurdistan.html

Brian4Liberty
05-08-2013, 06:51 PM
very astute.

After Syria it's Iran's turn. Or shall we call it Eastern Kurdistan?

jmdrake
05-08-2013, 06:53 PM
Oh snap! I didn't even think about this angle. So Turkey gets to solve it's little "Kurd" problem be destabilizing other countries that were once part of the Kurdish homeland? They'd better hope those chickens never come home to roost.

Brian4Liberty
05-08-2013, 07:23 PM
They'd better hope those chickens never come home to roost.

Yep, it's a dangerous game for Turkey in the long run. Western (especially US and Israeli) business interests (especially energy) hope to be on friendly terms with a greater Kurdistan and Turkey, so they probably hope to be able to maintain a manageable "peace" in the Kurdish parts of Turkey. Of course the best laid plans often go astray.

phill4paul
05-08-2013, 07:30 PM
Hadn't even been paying much attention to the Kurds post invasion. Foreign fail on me.

Smart3
05-08-2013, 07:36 PM
I think most Kurds in Turkey are willing to accept Turkey's terms. Kurdish independence has long been the goal of Iraqi and Syrian Kurds, it is almost non-existent in Iranian Kurdistan due to the fact the majority there are Shi'a and well-integrated into the Pan-Iranian state (that discriminates against Azeris, Arabs and other non-Iranian peoples but not the Kurds)

The ultimate goal should be a united Kurdish state - officially hostile to Iran, neutral to Turkey and staunchly pro-West (including Israel). The vast majority of the land of Kurdistan is in Turkey now although the early Kurdish Republic would likely be a union of Iraqi and Syrian Kurdistan, with the Kurdish regions of Iran, Turkey and Armenia being added at a later date through referendums. The latter three countries have no incentive to surrender their lands and will pursue Autonomy and/or Integration instead.

Declaring Kurdish the second official language of Turkey, full Kurdish education in the Kurd areas and greater freedom of religion for non-Sunni Kurds are viable terms for Turkey.

HOLLYWOOD
05-08-2013, 08:45 PM
yeah, we connected the dots on this before in the Foreign Policy section...

Kurds in Iraq-Syria-Turkey, Pipelines, subdivision into smaller nation-states


Pure evil on how the CFR/Real Owners are playing "RISK" around the world

Brian4Liberty
05-09-2013, 11:21 AM
The ultimate goal should be a united Kurdish state - officially hostile to Iran, neutral to Turkey and staunchly pro-West (including Israel). The vast majority of the land of Kurdistan is in Turkey now although the early Kurdish Republic would likely be a union of Iraqi and Syrian Kurdistan, with the Kurdish regions of Iran, Turkey and Armenia being added at a later date through referendums. The latter three countries have no incentive to surrender their lands and will pursue Autonomy and/or Integration instead.


Well, that certainly summarizes the plan. Of course we want them to be hostile to Iran.

Why wait for a referendum to add Iranian Kurdistan? We can bomb Iran, destabilize the government, and give the Kurds a chance to set up an autonomous region. They can join Greater Kurdistan pretty quickly after that.