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angelatc
05-07-2013, 08:06 AM
You guys who didn't trust him were absolutely right.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/07/flake-willing-to-support-background-checks-with-changes-to-internet-sales/?cid=sf_twitter


Republican Sen. Jeff Flake told CNN he is willing to reverse his opposition to expanding background checks for guns if the Senate sponsors change on the bill's provision dealing with internet sales.

He is literally selling his vote.

Cleaner44
05-07-2013, 08:15 AM
It seems that holding onto principles is difficult for many. To make it worse, the Republican voters of my state will back him 100% because they will be afraid to primary him. I know because they kept doing with with Jon Kyl and John McCain no matter how bad they served.

compromise
05-07-2013, 08:19 AM
Disappointing. I guess having the lowest approval in the country terrified him.

Cleaner44
05-07-2013, 08:37 AM
I am going to start tracking his bullshit...
http://jeffflakesoldout.wordpress.com/

kathy88
05-07-2013, 08:40 AM
pussy

compromise
05-07-2013, 08:43 AM
Look at the pressure the anti-gun lobby is putting on him (see the posts on his wall by other people): https://www.facebook.com/JeffFlake1

Now both the pro-gun and anti-gun people despise him...I guess that's his fault for all the flip-flopping.

asurfaholic
05-07-2013, 08:44 AM
Traitor

ninepointfive
05-07-2013, 08:45 AM
How's the electing politicians strategy working lately? Flake, Bentivolio et. al.

compromise
05-07-2013, 08:53 AM
How's the electing politicians strategy working lately? Flake, Bentivolio et. al.

Massie, Amash, Rand, Lee, Yoho?

That's a ridiculous generalization.

ninepointfive
05-07-2013, 08:55 AM
Massie, Amash, Rand, Lee, Yoho?

That's a ridiculous generalization.


Those two guys had campaign banners up here at RPF.

angelatc
05-07-2013, 09:02 AM
How's the electing politicians strategy working lately? Flake, Bentivolio et. al.

Ron Paul cited Flake as an ally. He gets flack in GOP circles because he's seen as an open borders fanatic, which isn't really defined as libertarians define open borders.

Lucille
05-07-2013, 09:07 AM
I knew he was one of them (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?413450-At-least-two-Senate-Republicans-want-to-talk-again-about-guns). All he really cares about is money already spent (earmarks) and making sure the executive branch doles it out as it sees fit.

I wonder if the cosmotarians will continue to gush all over him. Probably (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?412707-Stato-Institute-A-Libertarian-Case-for-Expanding-Gun-Background-Checks).

klamath
05-07-2013, 09:08 AM
Well it looks like the PPP poll did its job of shaping the narative. Flake is showing he is weak. Too bad.

familydog
05-07-2013, 09:15 AM
How's the electing politicians strategy working lately? Flake, Bentivolio et. al.

True. So much time and energy is wasted on things people cannot change.

pcosmar
05-07-2013, 09:30 AM
I supported Ron Paul.
I heard about him,, I researched him. I met him and spoke with him.

The rest,, NOT.
I am hopeful for some,, but none has a 40 year history of integrity.

Brian4Liberty
05-07-2013, 09:33 AM
Who would have thought that someone named Flake would be a squish?

ninepointfive
05-07-2013, 09:36 AM
Who would have thought that someone named Flake would be a squish?

haha - almost forgot!


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?413168-SQUISH!&p=5012484&viewfull=1#post5012484

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
05-07-2013, 09:43 AM
Look at the pressure the anti-gun lobby is putting on him (see the posts on his wall by other people): https://www.facebook.com/JeffFlake1

Now both the pro-gun and anti-gun people despise him...I guess that's his fault for all the flip-flopping.


Good. If that's how it is, it's nice to see him ending his own failed attempt at being a representative.

nobody's_hero
05-07-2013, 09:45 AM
This type of trade off never plays out in the end. Okay, so he want background checks in exchange for something on internet sales. Anti-gunners get half of what they want now. They'll be back for the rest of those liberties with another re-branded bill in a few months.

Compromise between good and bad always ends with less good and more bad.

asurfaholic
05-07-2013, 09:51 AM
True. So much time and energy is wasted on things people cannot change.

Then stop spending time and energy on it. If you are already ready to throw in the towel, then dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.

I see progress, and despite the inevitable setbacks and letdowns, this party is just getting started.

Brian4Liberty
05-07-2013, 09:59 AM
For Tweeters:


Graham and McCain welcome Jeff Flake to the "Squish" Caucus.

twitter.com/USAB4L/status/331611569651843072

ninepointfive
05-07-2013, 10:02 AM
For Tweeters:

squish needs to be added to the day to day lexicon - love it!

RonPaulFanInGA
05-07-2013, 10:10 AM
Flake thinks Manchin-Toomey is what's hurting his approval rating, when in actuality it's probably his support of amnesty and being part of the Gang of Eight.

pcosmar
05-07-2013, 10:13 AM
I called this.(in some thread,, I don't know where)

When all the new Gun Control bullshit started,, That they would not "ban Guns" but the republican 2nd amendment "supporters" would compromise for more Background checks and restrictions on private sales (gun show "loophole").

Watch it happen.

Brian4Liberty
05-07-2013, 10:23 AM
Flake thinks Manchin-Toomey is what's hurting his approval rating, when in actuality it's probably his support of amnesty and being part of the Gang of Eight.

Yep.

klamath
05-07-2013, 10:38 AM
Flake thinks Manchin-Toomey is what's hurting his approval rating, when in actuality it's probably his support of amnesty and being part of the Gang of Eight.
PPP did that. It is the ultimate use of a partisan poll to shape the agenda and flake bought it

FSP-Rebel
05-07-2013, 10:46 AM
For Tweeters:
While I'm inclined to tweet that, I'm not ready to give up on Flake yet. I say we keep pressuring him and urging him to #StandWithRand and he will be supported and loved by the base. It can't hurt to try. I mean, he's elected and already there and is going nowhere in red AZ so let's make sure he doesn't go permanently over to the dark side. Bentivolio has kind of righted his ship, Flake isn't beyond saving imo.
https://twitter.com/8Atlas2/status/331811985412997120

Matt Collins
05-07-2013, 10:47 AM
Living up to his last name I guess

compromise
05-07-2013, 11:10 AM
While I'm inclined to tweet that, I'm not ready to give up on Flake yet. I say we keep pressuring him and urging him to #StandWithRand and he will be supported and loved by the base. It can't hurt to try. I mean, he's elected and already there and is going nowhere in red AZ so let's make sure he doesn't go permanently over to the dark side. Bentivolio has kind of righted his ship, Flake isn't beyond saving imo.
https://twitter.com/8Atlas2/status/331811985412997120

I can't help being disappointed with him, but we still have 6 years to go with him. Let's see what he does next, particularly when the civil liberties and Syria votes come up later in the year.

Lucille
05-07-2013, 11:23 AM
I can't help being disappointed with him, but we still have 6 years to go with him. Let's see what he does next, particularly when the civil liberties and Syria votes come up later in the year.

He voted against the Smith-Amash amendment (http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/112/house/2/290) and YAY! on the NDAA (http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/112/house/2/291).

familydog
05-07-2013, 11:27 AM
Then stop spending time and energy on it. If you are already ready to throw in the towel, then dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.

I see progress, and despite the inevitable setbacks and letdowns, this party is just getting started.

Meh. I ensure freedom in my own life by changing things in my personal sphere of influence. I sure as hell am not about to beg someone to give me back freedom they had no right to take in the first place. Life's too short to lose my dignity like that.

LibertyEagle
05-07-2013, 11:34 AM
He sold out years ago.

LibertyEagle
05-07-2013, 11:35 AM
While I'm inclined to tweet that, I'm not ready to give up on Flake yet. I say we keep pressuring him and urging him to #StandWithRand and he will be supported and loved by the base. It can't hurt to try. I mean, he's elected and already there and is going nowhere in red AZ so let's make sure he doesn't go permanently over to the dark side. Bentivolio has kind of righted his ship, Flake isn't beyond saving imo.
https://twitter.com/8Atlas2/status/331811985412997120

It's worth a try, for sure, but honestly, I don't hold out much hope.

Acala
05-07-2013, 11:38 AM
Email Flake and point out that gun control advocates will not support him anyway. But gun owners will vote that issue.

Brett85
05-07-2013, 11:45 AM
How's the electing politicians strategy working lately? Flake, Bentivolio et. al.

Bentivilio has been a lot better than Flake. Voted against CISPA, sponsored Hemp bill, opposed to internet tax, etc. He started off slow, but his recent votes have been good.

Brian4Liberty
05-07-2013, 11:46 AM
While I'm inclined to tweet that, I'm not ready to give up on Flake yet. I say we keep pressuring him and urging him to #StandWithRand and he will be supported and loved by the base. It can't hurt to try. I mean, he's elected and already there and is going nowhere in red AZ so let's make sure he doesn't go permanently over to the dark side. Bentivolio has kind of righted his ship, Flake isn't beyond saving imo.
https://twitter.com/8Atlas2/status/331811985412997120

Just letting him know if he keeps throwing in with McCain and Graham, we won't forget. He seems to have caved to pressure form the left-wing gun grabbers. Perhaps he needs to feel some wind from the other direction. ;)


Email Flake and point out that gun control advocates will not support him anyway. But gun owners will vote that issue.

Great point.

compromise
05-07-2013, 12:00 PM
He voted against the Smith-Amash amendment (http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/112/house/2/290) and YAY! on the NDAA (http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/112/house/2/291).

With regards to Smith-Amash, a lot of conservatives had an issue with that because it gave freedom from infinite detention to aliens within the United States. I don't agree personally, but I do understand their reasoning. Flake voted against the original NDAA (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2011/h932).

Flake was a member of Ron's Liberty Caucus, so it's likely he was influenced by Ron. Here's what Kucinich had to say about Flake:


Ron Paul and Lynn Woolsey and Jeff Flake have each made a distinctive contribution to the debate in the House of Representatives. You don’t replace people of their caliber, because each has a wealth of experience. While you can’t really replace a Ron Paul, a Lynn Woolsey or a Jeff Flake, you can certainly see that there are new members coming forward who are ready to take up the challenge of pulling America away from war.

asurfaholic
05-07-2013, 05:32 PM
Meh. I ensure freedom in my own life by changing things in my personal sphere of influence. I sure as hell am not about to beg someone to give me back freedom they had no right to take in the first place. Life's too short to lose my dignity like that.

I'm right with you on that.

I just get annoyed when it seems like other people try and throw cold water on others who are actively trying to make a difference in the world outside their mother's basements...

AJ Antimony
05-07-2013, 06:39 PM
If I've learned anything from Flake since he joined the Senate, it's that he pays a lot of attention to the comments on his Facebook page.

If you people want to help push him in the right direction, then I recommend leaving polite, intelligent, and civil comments on his Facebook page. Get your friends to post there too.

LibertyEagle
05-17-2013, 10:44 AM
With regards to Smith-Amash, a lot of conservatives had an issue with that because it gave freedom from infinite detention to aliens within the United States. I don't agree personally, but I do understand their reasoning. Flake voted against the original NDAA (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2011/h932).

Flake was a member of Ron's Liberty Caucus, so it's likely he was influenced by Ron. Here's what Kucinich had to say about Flake:

Flake was in the little gang that came up with this crap.

Biometric Database of All Adult Americans Hidden in Immigration Reform

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/05/immigration-reform-dossiers/

Now, that may be fine with you, but it certainly isn't for me. And you can neg rep me all you want, "compromise", and you seem to have certainly done plenty of that compromising.

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zxup7b.png

compromise
05-17-2013, 03:39 PM
Flake was in the little gang that came up with this crap.

Biometric Database of All Adult Americans Hidden in Immigration Reform

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/05/immigration-reform-dossiers/

Now, that may be fine with you, but it certainly isn't for me. And you can neg rep me all you want, "compromise", and you seem to have certainly done plenty of that compromising.

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zxup7b.png

Article date says 2013. You said he sold out years ago.

You're the one who started this off by neg-repping me for simply making a post you disagreed with (and I also disagreed with), that wasn't remotely offensive. Then you ignored all my VMs. What do you expect, +reps? If you're so lenient with your neg-repping, expect to get some back.

Btw, nice pun with the whole "compromise" thing. Congrats on being like the 10th dude on here (and probably 15th if you include some of the guys on DP) to use pretty much the same remark.
"Hahahaha his name is compromise - and he compromises - how ironic! LOL I OWNED HIM! :D :D :D"

jkob
05-17-2013, 04:26 PM
Ugh and this guy was suppose to be the next most conservative congressman after Ron, duped me into voting for him. He certainly is living up to his name.

Acala
05-17-2013, 04:49 PM
Ugh and this guy was suppose to be the next most conservative congressman after Ron, duped me into voting for him. He certainly is living up to his name.

Write to him! Point out that the gun grabbers that are nagging him will never support him no matter what he does.

Brian4Liberty
05-17-2013, 05:03 PM
Ugh and this guy was suppose to be the next most conservative congressman after Ron, duped me into voting for him. He certainly is living up to his name.

Sometimes it's hard to tell libertarians from corporatists based on small soundbites. Flake is corporatist. A corporatist will pay lip service to concepts like less taxes, but in the backroom, they are just catering to big business.