Internet Sales Tax: Tune in To CSPAN2 NOW to watch the vote!

[Matt Collins]

Internet Sales Tax: Tune in To CSPAN2 NOW to watch the vote!



http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/

[Matt Collins]

Senator Enzi (RINO-WY) is on TV now trying to explain why this is not harmful :rolleyes:

[HOLLYWOOD]

Judge Nap stated it's unconstitutional and will go to the supreme court.

How conservative of US Senator Mike Enzi... I wonder how much it cost(Campaign Donations/Future Employment/Elected to Board of Directors/Lobbyist Bribes/etc) for his tax legislation/vote to enforce more taxes on people?

Look's like a opportunity to open huge retail/wholesale warehouse businesses in Juarez and Tijuana Mexico and across Canada if it is enforced. ;)

SenorAmazon.mx
AmazonEh?.ca

[Natural Citizen]

Marketplace fairness... Can't make this stuff up.

[Matt Collins]

Marketplace fairness... Can't make this stuff up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

[Bastiat's The Law]

Wyden was good.

[supermario21]

Tricky Dick Durbin...celebrating bipartisan tyranny.

[Matt Collins]

Senator Durbin is living up to his first name.

[Natural Citizen]

Not liking all of the "software" speak....oop, he just mentioned my non-tax state.

[Matt Collins]

Not liking all of the "software" speak....oop, he just mentioned my non-tax state.
Yeah, tax jurisdictions are not congruent with zip codes so it's not as easy as they make it sound.

[seraphson]

Hi Dick. How about this Dick.

How about level the playing field the other way around and remove sales tax so both online and brick and mortar are on the same level?

Oh slap me silly I actually suggested removing a tax! Might as well wish Santa for a Unicorn riding Toothfairy giving out everlasting gobstoppers on a blue moon leapyear.

[Natural Citizen]

Ah, crap. Here it comes. "Protection" for the internet.

Gosh, I really wish I felt like bumping up the old threads. Specifically remember saying that this was what they were going to do. infrastructure of the www is "obsolete", people. Get ready. Need to be able to protect commerce with new technology...software.

[Natural Citizen]

Yeah, tax jurisdictions are not congruent with zip codes so it's not as easy as they make it sound.

Meh. They're just beatin' around the bush.

[Matt Collins]

Senator Lamar Alexander discussing "states rights" on the floor now ha ha ha, what a joke

[supermario21]

LOL. Al Cardenas and Charles Krauthammer....

[kahless]

I hope someone calls it out for what it is "The Taxation Without Representation Act".

[seraphson]

"Sales tax already owed"

FUCK YOU Sen. Lamar Alexander.

I don't owe your fat pension SHIT for buying a book online vs in a store. How about you get the fuck off your ass, unhook your frothy mouth from the public tax funded tit, and do something productive that doesn't include a government paycheck.

You want "marketplace fairness" how about get rid of the sales tax totally. Ain't that fair?!

[Mr.NoSmile]

And now Ted Cruz has taken the floor.

[Matt Collins]

Senator Cruz gets it, he's on the floor arguing against this.

[kahless]

The video and audio keeps cutting off for Cruz. Was it doing that when the supporters were on?

[supermario21]

I haven't lost anything.

[kahless]

I haven't lost anything.

Must be Cablevision having a problem with the cspan feed.

[Natural Citizen]

Senator Cruz gets it, he's on the floor arguing against this.

Noticed that he threw in the immigration argument. I don't agree with some of these folks in scope. Cripes, we already have Zuckerberg wanting to bring in IT people to monitor speech on the web with the H1-B.

[Mr.NoSmile]

Jeanne Shaheen opposes it as well? Well, they can't blame opposition just on the Democrats now.

[AGRP]

How exciting.

[Dr.3D]

Strange, how do they vote when there isn't but a few people in the room? Are they voting via smart phone or something?

[Matt Collins]

Strange, how do they vote when there isn't but a few people in the room? Are they voting via smart phone or something?
I think there may be a way they can vote remotely actually. Each Senator is given a key-card

[supermario21]

I don't know. I think there's a voting period and they're just calling the roll.

[Dr.3D]

Why are they not showing the vote as it progresses?

[Matt Collins]

Why are they not showing the vote as it progresses?

Because the Senate is backwards and doesn't do it like the House does.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Man the US Senate is looking like and assisted-living center...

Old wealthy prostituted aristocrats with fat pensions and silver spoon healthcare. Pay up serfs and welcome to the US 'Roman' Empire

[LibertyEagle]

"Sales tax already owed"

FUCK YOU Sen. Lamar Alexander.

I don't owe your fat pension SHIT for buying a book online vs in a store. How about you get the fuck off your ass, unhook your frothy mouth from the public tax funded tit, and do something productive that doesn't include a government paycheck.

You want "marketplace fairness" how about get rid of the sales tax totally. Ain't that fair?!

Pretty much my sentiment too.

[LibertyEagle]

McCain voted for it. Big surprise, there.

[Champ]

Does this only need 60 votes to pass? If anyone is listening to this, you probably already know the results.

[Spoa]

McCain voted for it. Big surprise, there.

They haven't voted on it yet. They are still voting on an amendment.

[Spoa]

The Senate is likely to pass it. See here for the whip count of which members are opposing/supporting the bill: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?413454-House-Whip-Count-on-Internet-Tax&p=5011394#post5011394

Only 4 representatives are opposing it openly while 66 are supporting it.

[Bastiat's The Law]

The video and audio keeps cutting off for Cruz. Was it doing that when the supporters were on?
C-SPAN is notorious for that. Every time Ron or Rand speak on there expect audio problems. It's the only conspiracy theory I subscribe to.

[Mr.NoSmile]

Or, you know, some of you may have bad or faulty televisions or streaming software. Came in for me just fine. Not everything has to have some underlying conspiracy or plot to it. And they say we're conspiracy theorists. Well they are absolutely close to it.

[Keith and stuff]

Jeanne Shaheen opposes it as well? Well, they can't blame opposition just on the Democrats now.
She lives in NH. We don't want your G D sales taxes in NH. I get it, almost everyone in every state supports them but in NH, just leave us the F alone. Even 1 of the 4 US Reps currently openly against it is a Democrat from NH. Please, the rest of the US, don't force sales taxes or income taxes on us folks in NH. We are morally against your taxes.

I beleive the Senators from OR might also be against it. 1 of them is a co-sponsor of an oppositely inclined bill. OR also doesn't have a sale tax, though it has a very high state income tax.

[CPUd]

C-SPAN is notorious for that. Every time Ron or Rand speak on there expect audio problems. It's the only conspiracy theory I subscribe to.

It's more likely that whenever one of them speaks, the msg goes out on twitter and elsewhere, and 1000s of people jump on the feed.

[Matt Collins]

C-SPAN is notorious for that. Every time Ron or Rand speak on there expect audio problems. It's the only conspiracy theory I subscribe to.

I'm watching it on cable TV and it is sounding fine.

[supermario21]

When will the final passage vote be approx?

NVM: on it now.

[Keith and stuff]

When will the final passage vote be approx?
They are voting now. We should get results soon. They are in the Cs right now.

[Matt Collins]

Reid amendment to S 743 passes yeas 70 nays 24

[Spoa]

On right now: They are reading the affirmative list and it clearly passes.

On to the House fight!

[supermario21]

Rand's swaying power on McConnell at work again...

[supermario21]

My Senators (Brown and Portman) taking part in bipartisan tyranny...

[HOLLYWOOD]

Betcha half these fuckin aristocrats have to get blood transfusions between votes.

This tax vote proves American government has become Ultra Fascists purely owned by corporatists

[Tod]

Ohio's Brown (D) and Portman (R) both voted "aye". Bums.

[Melissa]

My Senators (Brown and Portman) taking part in bipartisan tyranny... Mine too..Donnelly and Coats from Indiana

[Spoa]

Mine too..Donnelly and Coats from Indiana

Mine too...Chambliss and Isakson from Georgia. :mad:

[jclay2]

Eff this, anyone know the odds of this passing in the house?

[Keith and stuff]

Rand's swaying power on McConnell at work again...

Yup. McConnell is very afraid of being primaried and it shows.

[Brett85]

Reid amendment to S 743 passes yeas 70 nays 24

That's the final vote? There were a lot more "no" votes on the motion to proceed to the final vote than on this vote.

[Matt Collins]

This tax vote proves American government has become Ultra Fascists purely owned by corporatistsUhh..... don't be so quick to judge, state and local governments want this too, which is why many of them support it.

[Keith and stuff]

Uhh..... don't be so quick to judge, state and local governments want this too, which is why many of them support it.
Matt is right. There are only 4 states without state/local sales taxes. How do expert the vote to turn out when it is 4 vs 46 states? NH has a lot of influence but it can only do some much. In this case, the same is true for OR.

[Bastiat's The Law]

It's more likely that whenever one of them speaks, the msg goes out on twitter and elsewhere, and 1000s of people jump on the feed.
Not talking about web feed. Have you forgotten about this?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?308179-LIVE-Ron-Paul-at-Iowa-State-fair-CSPAN-1-00EDT

And this. Not C-SPAN, but those darn technical difficulties pop up at the darnedest moments.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvzeowlqmBI

[green73]

Uhh..... don't be so quick to judge, state and local governments want this too, which is why many of them support it.

We're gonna take this all back at the ballot box though, right?

[kahless]

dupe

[kahless]

69 to 27 is the final vote.

Cruz really made a great speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-s-c3-kn2E

[Keith and stuff]

69 to 29 (or was it 27) it passed. Shame on the US Senate. Taxes are gonna go up unless the US House stops this. The Senate adjured until 10:00AM in the morning. Businesses with less than $1,000,000 exempt.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

what so it was passed? Don't these fucking pigs ever have enough? How can a state collect sales tax from another state? Doesn't that violate the commerce clause somehow? #notalawyer

[Keith and stuff]

what so it was passed? Don't these fucking pigs ever have enough? How can a state collect sales tax from another state? Doesn't that violate the commerce clause somehow? #notalawyer
I think it does. The Constitutional experts seem to disagree with us. There goes liberty. It's the same story. It's happened for 100s of year. Liberty is destroyed block by block.

[tsai3904]

edit: list from twitter was inaccurate

[Warlord]

Only surprised with Deb Fischer and Sessions/Shelby who are usually good on spending and taxes. Guess not now.

[Warlord]

Did any senators from no-sales tax states for it? Democrat ones?

[Keith and stuff]

Did any senators from no-sales tax states for it? Democrat ones?
Yes, of course! Check out DE!

[Natural Citizen]

Yes, of course! Check out DE!

http://www.coons.senate.gov/

Share your opinion... http://www.coons.senate.gov/contact/


Need to support IZZO for Congress... http://www.roseizzoforcongress.com/

Not much but all we gots fellers...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfIZcYb38I&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAVRyTaHusw&feature=player_embedded

[devil21]

Anybody have a link to the bill text handy?

[kahless]

Anybody have a link to the bill text handy?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:s.743:

If anyone has a twitter account PLEASE reply to all the Senators that going out of their way to promote their vote in favor of this act. These guys are so clueless. They think people are going to celebrate this vote since it is called "Marketplace Fairness". The replies so far show otherwise.

[tsai3904]

The list I posted of Republican Senators that voted for it was inaccurate. I gathered it from twitter.

Here's the roll call vote:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00113

Republicans who voted for:

Alexander (R-TN)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Enzi (R-WY)
Fischer (R-NE)
Graham (R-SC)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
McCain (R-AZ)
Portman (R-OH)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Wicker (R-MS)

Cornyn and Moran did not vote.

[Keith and stuff]

The list I posted of Republican Senators that voted for it was inaccurate. I gathered it from twitter.

Here's the roll call vote:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00113

Republicans who voted for:

Thanks. So both Democrats from DE voted for this, even though they don't have a sales tax. AK has local sales taxes but not a state sales tax. The D Senator from AK didn't vote on this issue, too afraid?

[Warlord]

Wow the DE senators need to be thrown out.

[Warlord]

Why did Cornyn and Moran sit it out?

[Keith and stuff]

Wow the DE senators need to be thrown out.
Well, the politicos are calling this all wrong. It actually helps the economies in NH and DE (without an income tax) substantially more than it hurts the economies in the other states. The reasoning is that if folks in MA and MD have to pay sales taxes on online purchases, folks are more likely to drive to NH and DE to buy sales tax free items. I know it is all confusing but realistically, I'd expect the Senators from states without a sales tax (especially NH, DE and OR to some extent) to support this more than the other Senators. There is no good reason but there are several minor reasons why they aren't. It is all pretty interesting to someone very interested in politics.

According to logic, if anything, the Democrats in OR or NH should be thrown out, or the Republicans in OK or KY. Oh well. Politics is strange, illogical and unpredictable.

[Natural Citizen]

Many car dealerships and other businesses don't charge Delaware residents sales tax in surrounding states like NJ, PA & MD just to get them to buy from them as well.

[I<3Liberty]

This is like the dumbest thing ever. Instead of cutting spending, they decide to add a tax that would maybe get them a few seconds worth of spending money from folks like me (amateur eBay sellers/budding eBay entrepreneurs) that find online sales a great way to make a bit of money or get things for a decent price. I feel like this would turn A LOT of people away from online shopping and selling.

[Keith and stuff]

It will certainly turn a lot of people against online shopping if it passes. In the mean time, it draws more people to Amazon.com. It's just like what Amazon.com wants. It encourages people to spend online while the getting is good. Shame on the Senators from TN and AL and many others!

[cindy25]

Judge Nap stated it's unconstitutional and will go to the supreme court.

How conservative of US Senator Mike Enzi... I wonder how much it cost(Campaign Donations/Future Employment/Elected to Board of Directors/Lobbyist Bribes/etc) for his tax legislation/vote to enforce more taxes on people?

Look's like a opportunity to open huge retail/wholesale warehouse businesses in Juarez and Tijuana Mexico and across Canada if it is enforced. ;)

SenorAmazon.mx
AmazonEh?.ca

an opportunity to open mailbox stores in non sales tax states, for receipt and forwarding of parcels

[cindy25]

The list I posted of Republican Senators that voted for it was inaccurate. I gathered it from twitter.

Here's the roll call vote:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00113

Republicans who voted for:

Alexander (R-TN)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Enzi (R-WY)
Fischer (R-NE)
Graham (R-SC)
Hoeven (R-ND)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
McCain (R-AZ)
Portman (R-OH)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Wicker (R-MS)

Cornyn and Moran did not vote.

Ayotte did not vote with McCain/Graham?

[bolil]

I'm glad they are stealing from everyone now, evens the playing field for main street.

[Keith and stuff]

Ayotte did not vote with McCain/Graham?
No. She is the leader in opposition to this. She wasn't strong enough to get a majority to oppose this but she tried every trick in the book.

[kahless]

I'm glad they are stealing from everyone now, evens the playing field for main street.

It does not level the playing field. That is the propaganda supporters of the bill are spreading.

The opposite is actually true. Main street would continue to collect tax for the jurisdiction for which they are located. Meanwhile online sites will need to adhere to the tax code from the location of the buyer. There are 9600 separate sales tax jurisdictions in the US that the customer maybe located that the online business would have to remit to.

[Warlord]

Yeah and more money sucked out of the private economy means the economy will suck even more.

Way to go DC. They're determined to put the US back into recession

[Brett85]

Only surprised with Deb Fischer and Sessions/Shelby who are usually good on spending and taxes. Guess not now.

Anyone who votes for a bill like this can't possibly claim to be a conservative.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

this has been going on slowly state by state for a while now. This is just the final nail in the coffin to affect every state.

[TheTexan]

And the tyranny train just keeps on truckin'

[Keith and stuff]

this has been going on slowly state by state for a while now. This is just the final nail in the coffin to affect every state.
I still has to pass the House and be signed by the President.

[devil21]

If your total business does over $1m in annual sales, may as well just incorporate separate entities to spread out your revenues, thus keeping each one under the $1m mark. Example, say you have a storefront business and do online sales as well. Yearly revenue for both is $1.6m under same business entity. You would have to collect and remit the new taxes. Answer is to incorporate your online sales as a wholly different business. Then you will have one business that does $700k per year and another business that does $900k per year. Neither meet the $1m threshold. No additional tax collection :)

[Natural Citizen]

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[Czolgosz]

The internet *will* be taxed and regulated.

[TheTexan]

The internet *will* be taxed and regulated.

For sure, theres all kinds of cool taxes you could do. Think about the revenue! Could support so many gov programs, its gonna be awesome

[tod evans]

The internet *will* be taxed and regulated.

Free 'puters for the underprivileged..

More government "oversight"..

Hell yeah!

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