Hate the Gov't? Get sent to the looney bin in Palm Beach County, FL

[green73]

Do You Suffer from Philosophical Intoxication?
by Thomas DiLorenzo


That's the term used by the Soviet government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union)against critics of that government as a rationale for imprisoning political dissenters in mental hospitals. It is also apparently the plan by the current sheriff of Palm Beach County, Florida, Rick Bradshaw. Bradshaw recently was awarded a $1 million grant from the Florida state legislature for a new "violence prevention unit."

"We want people to call us if the guy down the street says he hates the government," Sheriff Bradshaw told the Palm Beach Post. (http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news/news/State-regional-govt-politics-bradshaw-gets-1-million-for-violence-prevention-un/nXbs4/) He is planning a telephone "hotline and is planning public service announcements to encourage residents to report their neighbors, friends, or family members" if they hear anything "suspicious." After "troubled people are identified by Bradshaw's teams," the Palm Beach Post reports, then such people will be sent to a mental hospital.

Sheriff Bradshaw boasted that his program will be "a first of its kind in the nation, and he hopes it will become a model for the rest of the state . . . "

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/137025.html

[asurfaholic]

jesus

[leverguy]

It seems Florida is trying become the right wing version of California.

[tod evans]

Wow!

http://www.twowheelforum.com/images/smilies/hang.gif Get a rope! :mad:

[Michigan11]

It really won't be too long. Things are moving along at lightening speed at this point.

[RM918]

Taken a bit out of context:

“We want people to call us if the guy down the street says he hates the government, hates the mayor and he’s gonna shoot him,” Bradshaw said. “What does it hurt to have somebody knock on a door and ask, ‘Hey, is everything OK?’ ”

Up to you if that makes you feel better about it.

[Anti Federalist]

Taken a bit out of context:

“We want people to call us if the guy down the street says he hates the government, hates the mayor and he’s gonna shoot him,” Bradshaw said. “What does it hurt to have somebody knock on a door and ask, ‘Hey, is everything OK?’ ”

Up to you if that makes you feel better about it.

It does not.

[Anti Federalist]

See Something Say Something

[HOLLYWOOD]

Gesus another Step Forward(Communist term) on the "Minority Report" PRE CRIME DIVISION or is it PRE MENTAL DIVISION?

"Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it"

Political abuse of psychiatry is the purported misuse of psychiatric diagnosis, detention and treatment for the purposes of obstructing the fundamental human rights of certain groups and individuals in a society

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry

No secret, governments throughout history have dealt political dissenters into mental hospitals, Stalin, Hitler, Pinochet, Franco, W Bush... Many times, just for, which government didn't want bad publicity or reveal classified/state secrets/ embarrassing BS/etc. It's a way to get around cases being brought to courts too, ever here the term "Mentally unfit to stand trail". A trick of .Gov to squelch the revealing of any wrongdoings or illegal operations it may have conducted, keep the whistle-blower out of court. Be careful, if you dissent too far against government... they'll up the voltage on yah or give you a cocktail of drugs, lobotomizing your grey matter.

PS: I bet those "state Funds" came into Florida from some Federal Program grant... "M-K Ultra Mr. Mackey"

[aGameOfThrones]

How many false calls is this thing gonna get?

[tod evans]

The RPF indictment is in the que.........

[green73]

Taken a bit out of context:

“We want people to call us if the guy down the street says he hates the government, hates the mayor and he’s gonna shoot him,” Bradshaw said. “What does it hurt to have somebody knock on a door and ask, ‘Hey, is everything OK?’ ”

Up to you if that makes you feel better about it.

Not at all.

[Anti Federalist]

Now, maybe everybody will understand why privacy IS important, in fact, without privacy there is no liberty.

[Anti Federalist]

And this goes here:

The vast majority of Gestapo informers were not full-term informers working undercover, but were rather ordinary citizens who for whatever reason chose to denounce those they knew to the Gestapo.[35]

According to Canadian historian Robert Gellately's analysis of the local offices established, the Gestapo was—for the most part—made up of bureaucrats and clerical workers who depended upon denunciations by citizens for their information.[36] Gellately argued that it was because of the widespread willingness of Germans to inform on each other to the Gestapo that Germany between 1933 and 1945 was a prime example of panopticism.[37] Indeed, the Gestapo—at times—was overwhelmed with denunciations and most of its time was spent sorting out the credible from the less credible denunciations.[38] Many of the local offices were understaffed and overworked, struggling with the paper load caused by so many denunciations.[39] Gellately has also suggested that the Gestapo was "a reactive organization" "...which was constructed within German society and whose functioning was structurally dependent on the continuing co-operation of German citizens".[40]

[tod evans]

Now, maybe everybody will understand why privacy IS important, in fact, without privacy there is no liberty.

But what about the terrorists?

What about the druggies?


Boogity-boogity...

[Lucille]

AFAIC, you'd have to be BSC! to like the govt!

[better-dead-than-fed]

... It's a way to get around cases being brought to courts too, ever here the term "Mentally unfit to stand trail". A trick of .Gov to squelch the revealing of any wrongdoings or illegal operations it may have conducted, keep the whistle-blower out of court.

The DOJ was gunning hard for that in my criminal case. Instead of allowing me a trial, they held me eight months in a DOJ mental hospital, even though I was never found incompetent. The law, 18 USC 4241(b) (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title18/html/USCODE-2011-title18-partIII-chap313-sec4241.htm) and 18 USC 4247(b) (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/4247), limits such examinations to 30 days ("For the purposes of an examination pursuant to an order under section 4241, ... the court may commit the person to be examined for a reasonable period, but not to exceed thirty days....), but they broke the law and suffered no consequences, so they've found a loophole that everyone will tolerate.

See also "Dangerousness and Pre-Crime" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?412611-Dangerousness-and-Pre-Crime):


... Against me, the government argued that "mistrust" of government makes a person more dangerous. I had told a psychiatrists that a certain judge was not complying with the official Code of Conduct for United States Judges. The psychiatrist didn't say I was wrong about the judge, but the psychiatrist said my "mistrust" was nevertheless a problem. I elaborate here, in the section about Barry Morenz. What if the psychiatrist was right? What if people who mistrust government are statistically more likely to commit unlawful violence? Why not imprison them all? ...

[green73]

AFAIC, you'd have to be BSC! to like the govt!


FFS, hating the gov't was once the American way.

[amy31416]

Great. Now if your neighbor doesn't like you, all he has to say is that you don't like the gov't, you probably have guns and you could possibly shoot the mayor.

[Anti Federalist]

Great. Now if your neighbor doesn't like you, all he has to say is that you don't like the gov't, you probably have guns and you could possibly shoot the mayor.

The benefits to the state from these measures far outweigh any minor inconveniences that you might suffer, Comrade Citizen.

[Anti Federalist]

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[amy31416]

The benefits to the state from these measures far outweigh any minor inconveniences that you might suffer, Comrade Citizen.

Maybe they'll even start offering a reward to the snitch like we did in Afghanistan and we can end up in prison with no hope of a trial! Throw in some waterboarding and we'll really be having good times!

[Anti Federalist]

Maybe they'll even start offering a reward to the snitch like we did in Afghanistan and we can end up in prison with no hope of a trial! Throw in some waterboarding and we'll really be having good times!

We are on this, Comrade Citizen.

http://waxahachiecrimestoppers.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/cropped-for-header.jpg

[P3ter_Griffin]

Well, everyone knows dissent is the highest form of mental disability.

[torchbearer]

We are on this, Comrade Citizen.

http://waxahachiecrimestoppers.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/cropped-for-header.jpg

we have crime stoppers here. $1000 for leading to the arrest of someone.
I had a friend call in and report-
he asked, 'for me to get paid, does it matter where the person is located?"
operator replies, 'no. you get paid for revealing the location of people who are wanted'
he replies, 'ok, well Mr Doe is currently sitting in your jail.'
he got paid.

[Matt Collins]

Uhh, Palm Beach County IS the looney bin... remember 2000?

[Weston White]

So then, let us prep the padded cells throughout the McLean Asylum for those of us awakened to the primary notion responsible for America’s founding, individualism—so that we might all feel at home alongside the likes of one of its most recognized progenitors, Ralph Waldo Emerson.

Truly though, what infuriates me the most about this TAXPAYER FUNDED WASTE OF RESOURCES is that the police there are going to do nothing about the factual, real underlying concerns being brought into the open by the many individual that willfully open their doors to their sordid brand of absolute lunacy.

The police will simply respond to them with obtuse gull such as: “so what”, “that’s just the way it is now”, “so big deal”, “there is nothing that can be done about it”, “so why then trouble yourself over it”, “just accept it, life is too short”, “stop worrying about it”, “well they’re only working to advance the whole of society”, “what’s the point of being argumentative anyway”, “questioning such things is only going to drive you to the brink of insanity”, “those are nothing more than outlandish conspiracies, conjectures, and suppositions”, “are you racist, is that why you are really angry”, “you aren’t one of those religious zealot nut-jobs are you” etc., etc., etc.

[Yieu]

Taken a bit out of context:

“We want people to call us if the guy down the street says he hates the government, hates the mayor and he’s gonna shoot him,” Bradshaw said. “What does it hurt to have somebody knock on a door and ask, ‘Hey, is everything OK?’ ”

Up to you if that makes you feel better about it.

Evaluate how that quote makes you feel along with this reassuring comment:

“We know how to sift through frivolous complaints,” he said.

Here's another quote:

Thus, it was ordinary Germans by their willingness to denounce one another who supplied the Gestapo with the information that determined whom the Gestapo arrested.[41] The popular picture of the Gestapo with its spies everywhere terrorizing German society has been rejected by many historians as a myth invented after the war as a cover for German society's widespread complicity in allowing the Gestapo to work.

[Yieu]

The benefits to the state from these measures far outweigh any minor inconveniences that you might suffer, Comrade Citizen.

That's not proper newspeak. Lets try that again.

The benefits to the public welfare from these measures far outweigh any minor inconveniences that you might suffer*, Comrade Citizen.

* There is no suffering, only compliance.

[Anti Federalist]

That's not proper newspeak. Lets try that again.

The benefits to the public welfare from these measures far outweigh any minor inconveniences that you might suffer*, Comrade Citizen.

* There is no suffering, only compliance.

Valid points Comrade, thank you for that helpful criticism.

[BuddyRey]

Philosophical Intoxication and Oppositional Defiant Disorder sound a lot like another made-up "mental illness" that they used to ascribe to people who craved freedom....Drapetomania.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drapetomania

[Weston White]

Philosophical Intoxication and Oppositional Defiant Disorder sound a lot like another made-up "mental illness" that they used to ascribe to people who craved freedom....Drapetomania.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drapetomania

Goodness, the only thing that could be worse than being a slave is being that lunatic’s slave.

[Philhelm]

At least the medieval serfs could speak ill of the king in hushed voices within their homes.

[Philhelm]

Philosophical Intoxication and Oppositional Defiant Disorder sound a lot like another made-up "mental illness" that they used to ascribe to people who craved freedom....Drapetomania.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drapetomania

+ODD

[better-dead-than-fed]

Psychiatrist Barry Morenz argued I should be committed for allegedly having:

admitted that a U.S. Probation Officer had made false statements;
accused some lawyers of having done “the bare minimum”; and
admitted that a judge was not “enforcing” “an adequate level of attorney conduct”.
Morenz testified: "Well, that this same pattern of mistrust, suspiciousness, feeling that the attorneys are not doing their job, that are incompetent and are -- do not have his best interests in mind have been repeated not just once, not just twice, but on multiple occasions. So they kind of reinforce the idea that (the defendant) has some serious psychiatric difficulties."

... Lawyers have hired Morenz “maybe a couple thousand” times to conduct forensic mental-health evaluations. Attorney Steven Sherick confided to me that Morenz is widely regarded as a “whore” for lawyers: willing to give any “professional opinion” he is paid to give. -- from "Government-Paid Psychiatrists and Psychologists" (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C5HH1FIvvbmht2OdOIIu1qWif3VZFhk4Z5XMztzZy-c/edit?usp=sharing)

One problem is that reasonable "mistrust" of government is considered a mental illness. A different but related problem is the ease with which psychiatrists can falsify their data. You have no right to an objective record of statements you make to a psychiatrist, (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?411967-Why-do-people-here-care-about-someone-being-read-their-Miranda-rights&p=4988423#post4988423) and you have no right to cross-examine third-parties who provide information about you to psychiatrists. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?411508-Psychiatry-Is-Used-To-Circumvent-the-Right-Against-Hearsay-And-The-Right-To-Confrontation&highlight=psychiatrist)

[RickyJ]

Uhh, Palm Beach County IS the looney bin... remember 2000?

I really would like to forget that the Supreme Court stopped the counting of ballots and made Bush the president. We would have lost either way, Bush or Gore, we were still getting 9/11 and the wars because the elite planned it.

[asurfaholic]

I really would like to forget that the Supreme Court stopped the counting of ballots and made Bush the president. We would have lost either way, Bush or Gore, we were still getting 9/11 and the wars because the elite planned it.

Yea, but we also lost something else- the protection of fair and honest elections. Even if there were no real liberty options then, the people deserve to have honest elections, with or without liberty candidates.

[Origanalist]

Umm, no comment? :toady:

[ronpaulfollower999]

LOL....I told people around me to vote Dick Bradshaw out, but no one listened. Even some of the cops I've talked to didn't like him.

[ronpaulfollower999]

Uhh, Palm Beach County IS the looney bin... remember 2000?

Yes. Elections, the drivers...

[BAllen]

Yes. Elections, the drivers...

Bernie Madoff............

[BAllen]

How many false calls is this thing gonna get?

LOL! That depends on how many freedom loving patriots there are to overwhelm the system.

[Yieu]

Umm, no comment? :toady:

Wisest comment of the thread. The rest of us are self-incriminating freedom-lovers.

[shane77m]

One good thing about this is if you have a d-bag neighbor that won't keep his dog from crapping on your lawn you can just report him as a government hater. The police will show up and haul him away and shoot his dog. No more d-bag neighbor and no more dog crapping on your lawn.

[fr33]

Everybody should call and report themselves.

[Yieu]

One good thing about this is if you have a d-bag neighbor that won't keep his dog from crapping on your lawn you can just report him as a government hater. The police will show up and haul him away and shoot his dog. No more d-bag neighbor and no more dog crapping on your lawn.

There is absolutely zero chance of that happening. Didn't you listen?

“We know how to sift through frivolous complaints,” he said.

With the mental facilities unable to afford the housing of these domestic terrorists, maybe a federal agency has some space to put them to save the state some money. Perhaps even newly renovated space.

[brushfire]

Couple this behavior with the background checks (government/arbitrary definition of "mentally deficient") and you have yourself a targeted firearm confiscation. Oppose the government, lose your rights.

[Anti Federalist]

bump for another thread

[heavenlyboy34]

Well, everyone knows dissent is the highest form of mental disability.
Thoughtcrime is the word you're looking for, comrade.

[Lucille]

http://wendymcelroy.com/news.php: From Jacksonville News: FL activates network for neighbors to report each other as terrorists for anything suspicious.

Tipping law enforcement to possible terrorist activity is purpose of 13-county program
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2013-05-16/story/tipping-law-enforcement-possible-terrorist-activity-purpose-13-county#ixzz2TlEwEX4L


Sheriffs in 13 Northeast Florida counties announced an online system Thursday for residents to report suspicious activity they think may be terrorism-related.

Individuals can make reports online to any one of the counties from Nassau to Alachua that are part of the iWATCH program.

The site provides examples of red flags to watch for, such as people with an unusual interest in building plans or who are purchasing materials useful in bomb making. Important places to watch include hobby stores and dive shops.

Those making reports must provide their name and contact information.

“This is not like Crime Stoppers, where people report crimes,” Jacksonville Sheriff John Rutherford said, referencing a reward-based system for solving crimes that allows anonymity.

For iWATCH, people are less likely to be targeted by rumors or malicious accusations. [ORLY? LOL] Also, it gives investigators the opportunity to further interview the person reporting the activity. [I just bet it does.]

“It’s always a concern that someone may be setting up a neighbor,” Rutherford said.

Reports entered in the iWATCH system are sent to the individual counties through a central clearing house. It is also passed to other counties, in case the information can be connected to something similar or related. The program was set up using a $150,000 state grant and piggybacks on an existing information-sharing system law enforcement uses now.

The sites combine iWATCH with the county name, or in Jacksonville’s case the city, to direct the report. The site for Jacksonville is www.iwatchjax.com.

Other counties in the program are: Alachua, Baker, Bradford, Clay, Flagler, Gilchrist, Levy, Marion, Nassau, Putnam, St. Johns and Union.

“The majority of citizens want to do what’s right,” Alachua County Sheriff Sadie Darnell said at the Florida Department of Law Enforcement offices in Jacksonville where the program was announced.

[Anti Federalist]

Well, allow me a re-post:

And this goes here:

The vast majority of Gestapo informers were not full-term informers working undercover, but were rather ordinary citizens who for whatever reason chose to denounce those they knew to the Gestapo.[35]

According to Canadian historian Robert Gellately's analysis of the local offices established, the Gestapo was—for the most part—made up of bureaucrats and clerical workers who depended upon denunciations by citizens for their information.[36] Gellately argued that it was because of the widespread willingness of Germans to inform on each other to the Gestapo that Germany between 1933 and 1945 was a prime example of panopticism.[37] Indeed, the Gestapo—at times—was overwhelmed with denunciations and most of its time was spent sorting out the credible from the less credible denunciations.[38] Many of the local offices were understaffed and overworked, struggling with the paper load caused by so many denunciations.[39] Gellately has also suggested that the Gestapo was "a reactive organization" "...which was constructed within German society and whose functioning was structurally dependent on the continuing co-operation of German citizens".[40]

[Tod]

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/05/20/fla-gov-scott-vetoes-sheriffs-1-million-snitch-on-your-neighbor-program-70849


Fla. Gov. Scott vetoes sheriff’s $1 million ‘snitch on your neighbor’ program
Gov. Rick Scott on Monday vetoed almost $368 million in state spending before signing the budget for next year, including $1 million for a violence prevention and mental health initiative sought by the Palm Beach County Sheriff Ric Bradshaw.
Bradshaw’s program would have established a hotline for residents to call when they suspected an individual might be planning a violent act.
If a call were deemed cause for concern, that person might be visited by deputies trained to deal with mental health issues.
In interviews, he cited such incidents as the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut and a movie theater in Auroroa, Colo., as instances where a watchful eye and trained help might have prevented tragedy.
But the proposal drew fire from conservatives when a widespread quote from a Palm Beach Post (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/fl-palm-big-brother-20130514,0,7845882.story) story fueled fears of government taking action against people because of how they think, not how they’ve acted.
“We want people to call us if the guy down the street says he hates the government, hates the mayor and he’s gonna shoot him,” Bradshaw said in the article.
“What does it hurt to have somebody knock on a door and ask, ‘Hey, is everything OK?’”
Scott also turned down a 3 percent tuition increase for state college and university students.
Other vetoed Palm Beach County spending included $225,000 for Lake Worth Lagoon monitoring and restoration programs.
However, $1 million for resurfacing in Belle Glade survived the governor’s vote pen, as well as $100,000 for the Place of Hope at the Haven Campus in Boca Raton.
TaxWatch had recommended vetoes for both projects.
Still, Scott’s actions generally pleased the watchdog group Florida TaxWatch, which had recommended he veto $107 million in projects.
About two-thirds of the items TaxWatch recommended for the veto pen were on Scott’s list.
“He seemed to take a pretty firm stand against things that benefitted local areas,” said Kurt Wenner, TaxWatch vice president for tax research.
TaxWatch had recommended a veto for $450,000 of the money Bradshaw wanted from the state
Scott’s veto message for that $450,000, and a separate $550,000, made it clear that he considers such efforts a matter for local governments.
The message described the proposed program as “very well designed,” but said it lacked “clear performance standards.”
Other Palm Beach County vetoes included a $6.5 million building for Palm Beach County State College and $100,000 for a nicotine addiction program at Scripps Research Institute.
The veto message said such efforts are already covered by the State Tobacco and Education Program.
Senate President Don Gaetz and House Speaker generally praised Scott’s decisions, releasing written statements that said while were disappointed with some of the vetoes, that was just part of the budgeting process.
“While we did not agree on every line item, he signed 95 percent of our budget, which is a resounding endorsement of the House and Senate work product,” Weatheford’s statement said.
“The next budget and policy cycle begins at sunrise tomorrow and we in the Senate look forward to our role as partners with the House of Representatives and the governor,” Gaetz’s statement said.
Democrats, however, were not happy, suggesting Scott’s vetoes could be used against him in the 2014 governor’s race.
“… The governor managed to find a questionable justification to veto many of the priorities unanimously supported in the budget we passed,” Senate Minority Leader Chris Smith said in a statement.
“Given the precarious state of our economic recovery, I suspect it is a move he will regret.”

[Suzanimal]

Sheriff Who Bragged Police Dog Ripped Testicles Off Suspect Also Told Drivers To Run Over Protesters


The Sheriff for Palm Beach County, Florida, has found himself at the center of controversy, after he encouraged drivers to run into protesters. The statement was made at a community meeting in Boynton Beach, Florida. The Sheriff reportedly told a group of citizens that they should run over protesters if they are observed blocking the road.

In the January 14th meeting, Sheriff Ric Bradshaw of the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office stoked racial fears, calling for vehicular assaults and homicides in response to protesters who he characterized as “violent thugs” who “killed white people with hammers in other parts of the country.”


“With our limited budget, we just don’t have the manpower to be policing the community like we should be. You should be very concerned if you come across these protesters because they are very violent thugs and have even killed white people with hammers in other parts of the country. Now they are blocking the roads with their arms in barrels and we just don’t know what those barrels contain. For all we know, they could contain weapons to use when unsuspecting drivers get close. If you see these people, stop your vehicle as far as possible and back away before they can attack.”

The Sheriff continued, telling a concerned elderly lady that, “Your safety is far more valuable than those violent thugs illegally blocking the roadways. If you see the protesters, and you can’t back up, stopping will make you an easy target for violence, robbery or murder. If you are driving on a Florida roadway, it is up to them to move, so sit as low as possible in your car and accelerate forward. If you run over protesters, remember that your safety comes first and they shouldn’t have been there in the first place. Whatever you do, I can’t emphasize enough how important enough it is not to stop and if they are injured, they brought it upon themselves.”

The only violent thugs I see illegally blocking highways are cops.:mad:


Recently, an investigative reporter for local WPTV Channel 5, Katie Legrone, exposed the Sheriff’s involvement in a massive cover-up related to the killing of two African American deputies who had been deploying stop sticks. A Caucasian deputy driving over 106 mph ran into them, but in spite of the lead traffic homicide investigator determining that the deputy driving should be charged with vehicular manslaughter, Sheriff Bradshaw removed that investigator from the case and replaced him with one who would find the deputy innocent of any wrongdoing.

Sheriff Bradshaw also has been at the center of more than 40 discrimination lawsuits filed against him. One of these resulted in a payout of over $1 million. Another stated that he showed photos and bragged about an incident where a police canine ripped the testicles off an African American man. He was also found to have stolen weapons out of the police evidence locker, presumably to plant an illegal gun on a suspect at a later date.

http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/02/palm-beach-sheriff-is-now-in-trouble-for-statement/

[phill4paul]

A little something about Sheriff Ric Bradshaw,,,

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?468101-Florida-Sheriff-and-Chief-Deputy-Implicated-in-Murder-Coverup-of-Unarmed-Man

[Christian Liberty]

Taken a bit out of context:

“We want people to call us if the guy down the street says he hates the government, hates the mayor and he’s gonna shoot him,” Bradshaw said. “What does it hurt to have somebody knock on a door and ask, ‘Hey, is everything OK?’ ”

Up to you if that makes you feel better about it.

It wouldn't be so bad if that was really the truth. If all they were doing was having someone knock on the door and ask if someone was OK after they said they wanted to shoot the mayor, that wouldn't be that terrible.

The problem is, that isn't going to happen. There will be actual force used, against people who didn't even actually say they wanted to shoot the mayor