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tangent4ronpaul
04-30-2013, 05:58 AM
http://ideas.time.com/2012/05/29/should-the-fbi-be-allowed-to-wiretap-facebook/

We may all be getting a new Facebook friend soon: the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The FBI wants to shift its wiretapping from old-school telephone lines to person-to-person platforms like email and instant messaging and even social media like Facebook. To help it make the switch, the FBI is asking Congress to require tech companies to rewrite their software so it has a “back door” that the FBI can use to listen in.

It is all part of an initiative known as “Going Dark.” The FBI says that its ability to follow suspected criminals is eroding – or “going dark”—as people communicate more online and that it needs new powers to help it track down drug dealers, sex traffickers, and terrorists. But “Going Dark” has – not surprisingly – set off a major privacy battle, even though the FBI would still need to get court approval to place a wiretap. Civil liberties groups are sounding the alarm, warning that the changes would make all of our online communications potentially open to the prying eyes of the government.

The Internet has arguably interfered with the FBI’s ability to fight crime. In one case, the FBI was closing in on a child prostitution ring that used a social networking site to identify and recruit victims. Because the site had no “back door,” the FBI says its investigation was impeded – and the result was a weaker case and a lighter sentence than it might otherwise have gotten.

The FBI says it was also hampered in investigating a criminal organization that smuggled cocaine up from South America and trafficked guns to Africa. The group, according to a confidential source, intentionally used communications platforms that law enforcement could not intercept. The FBI told Congress last year that, as a result, the organization was still trafficking weapons.

The FBI argues that the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act of 1994 gives it all the legal authority it needs to monitor the sites it is interested in – from social media like Facebook and Twitter to messaging platforms like Google Talk to web-based email like Yahoo Mail. But the FBI needs these sites to do two things: create “back doors” in their software so it can monitor the communications, and give it a way to un-encrypt any messages that are encrypted. This month, FBI director Robert Mueller told Congress his agency would like to see the wiretap law change.

(Does anyone remember SKIPJACK?)

But the privacy threat is also very real. If the FBI gets the “back doors” it wants, Internet services would be required to create a massive online infrastructure for law enforcement to spy on members of the public. That would give the government a power to monitor far beyond anything it has ever had. The ACLU has compared what the FBI is seeking to the government requiring every home to be built with pre-installed cameras and microphones. “It would provide little reassurance,” the ACLU has said, “to know that the government would have to get a search warrant to turn those cameras on.”

It is not clear the FBI will get its changes. Polls show that the public is deeply concerned about online privacy, and the White House and Congress may not want to be seen as coming out in favor of introducing government monitoring. And the tech industry is also pushing back. TechAmerica – an industry group with representatives from eBay, IBM and other major tech companies – is objecting to the FBI’s proposal as unduly costly and burdensome, CNET reports.

One of the great debates about the Internet is whether it is making people more or less free. On the side of “more free” are events like the Arab Spring, in which social media have been used to help organize opposition to authoritarian regimes. But proposals like the FBI’s “Going Dark” initiative show the other side – how government can use the Internet to monitor people in ways that were not possible in the pre-digital age.

It is not hard to see why the FBI wants wiretapping backdoors. It would certainly make its job easier. But rejiggering the Internet so government can conveniently monitor everything we say and do online is too high a price to pay for making law enforcement more efficient.

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jmdrake
04-30-2013, 06:00 AM
Is there anyone dumb enough to believe what's posted on Farcebook is private?

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
04-30-2013, 06:07 AM
I love how they pretend they aren't already. Here are their usual steps.

1.) They do illegal shit
2.) They do illegal shit, in conjunction with companies
3.) They float the idea that they'd like to do things they are already doing. (which is also meant to lead people to believe they aren't already.)
4.) They pass laws making their crimes legal, and provide immunity for those who were breaking laws with them.


With the exception of encryption they can't break, I'm sure they're already doing all of these things.

People are too lazy to use encryption in their every day lives, so that's somewhat of a non-issue. However, I'd be certain their filters flag people who use encryption, and start going through all of their other shit. They've been collecting the data at the backbones for many, many years. If you send it through the internet, they have it.

better-dead-than-fed
04-30-2013, 06:09 AM
Locks interfere with the FBI's ability to fight crime so give them a set of keys to everyone's houses.

PSYOP
04-30-2013, 06:12 AM
And is there also anyone out there dumb enough who actually believes if they delete their facebook posts, pictures, the entire account, political views, religious views, likes, ect that it doesn't just get saved on a mega-server run by the NSA out in the middle of nowhere for the government to use at their discretion in the future for whatever reason?

better-dead-than-fed
04-30-2013, 06:17 AM
deleted because ACLU already said it

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
04-30-2013, 06:17 AM
And is there also anyone out there dumb enough who actually believes if they delete their facebook posts, pictures, the entire account, political views, religious views, likes, ect that it doesn't just get saved on a mega-server run by the NSA out in the middle of nowhere for the government to use at their discretion in the future for whatever reason?


Even FB admits to never deleting it. But it's mostly a non-issue for the reasons I stated above. People who think they're anonymous on RPF either REALLY know what they're doing, or aren't paying attention. Most people seem to fit in the last category. Not having a facebook account makes a lot of you feel hidden, but chances are that you aren't hidden or anonymous in the least bit.

better-dead-than-fed
04-30-2013, 06:28 AM
No more turning the lights out in movie theaters.

Spikender
04-30-2013, 06:51 AM
Should FBI be allowed?

This implies they're not already doing it. MoneyWheremyMouthIs pretty much hit the nail on the head.

TruckinMike
04-30-2013, 09:09 AM
But the FBI needs these sites to do two things: create “back doors” in their software so it can monitor the communications, and give it a way to un-encrypt any messages that are encrypted. This month, FBI director Robert Mueller told Congress his agency would like to see the wiretap law change.

What a load of propaganda! -- the NSA and microsoft have been working together for years. The NSA even had a major hand in building the MS core.

A few years back I found a story explaining the partnership of the NSA and microsoft --can't find it now.

Uriel999
04-30-2013, 09:16 AM
What a load of propaganda! -- the NSA and microsoft have been working together for years. The NSA even had a major hand in building the MS core.

A few years back I found a story explaining the partnership of the NSA and microsoft --can't find it now.

If that's true then NSA should help apple with iTunes...that would at least be a useful waste of tax dollars