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sailingaway
04-28-2013, 03:25 PM
OK this is ThinkProgress so it may be completely untrue, however, if it is true that REALLY underlines low turn out on in the country.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/04/28/1932311/african-american-voters-surpassed-white-turnout-in-2012-election/

FrankRep
04-28-2013, 04:08 PM
AP also has the story.


In a first, black voter turnout rate passes whites (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/first-black-voter-turnout-rate-passes-whites)

Associated Press
April 28, 2013


America's blacks voted at a higher rate than other minority groups in 2012 and by most measures surpassed the white turnout for the first time, reflecting a deeply polarized presidential election in which blacks strongly supported Barack Obama while many whites stayed home.

phill4paul
04-28-2013, 04:17 PM
AP also has the story.


In a first, black voter turnout rate passes whites (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/first-black-voter-turnout-rate-passes-whites)

Associated Press
April 28, 2013


America's blacks voted at a higher rate than other minority groups in 2012 and by most measures surpassed the white turnout for the first time, reflecting a deeply polarized presidential election in which blacks strongly supported Barack Obama while many whites stayed home.

Clearly, whites are discerning, choosing not to vote in the face of terrible candidates, while blacks are racist, choosing to vote for a terrible candidate. Or something, something, something like that.

FrankRep
04-28-2013, 04:19 PM
Remember this?


Black Chamber of Commerce President: Obama a "Marxist," "anti-Business"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/04/29/black_chamber_of_commerce_president_blasts_marxist _brownshirt_obama.html

Black Chamber of Commerce Head: Obama is ‘Fanatical’ & ‘Marxist’ — I Only Voted for Him ‘Because He’s Black’
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/black-chamber-of-commerce-head-obama-is-fanatical-marxist-i-only-voted-for-him-because-hes-black/


Harry Alford

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dy8nCLeFrqI/TbvKGdjTPuI/AAAAAAAAGi8/PSk_194UPBk/s320/harry-alfored.jpg

tod evans
04-28-2013, 04:36 PM
Sounds like race-baiting to me...

parocks
04-28-2013, 06:55 PM
Isn't this just blacks, especially black women, really really liking Barack Obama?

Nothing to do with policy.

Barack Obama is black, they're black, black women find him good looking, etc.

Obama did quite well with Hispanic women as well.

There are no trends to measure, no greater meaning here.

I doubt the next candidate the D's come up with will be the 1st Black President.

Keith and stuff
04-28-2013, 07:08 PM
Wait, what? When did Obama become black? I don't know if the thread is correct but Obama isn't black.

tfurrh
04-28-2013, 07:29 PM
Wait, what? When did Obama become black? I don't know if the thread is correct but Obama isn't black.


Half?

Anti Federalist
04-28-2013, 07:35 PM
Barack Obama is black, they're black, black women find him good looking, etc.

Nullifies my vote quite nicely, no?

Sola_Fide
04-28-2013, 07:38 PM
Herman Cain/Condi Rice 2016

FrankRep
04-28-2013, 07:46 PM
Wait, what? When did Obama become black? I don't know if the thread is correct but Obama isn't black.

Obama identifies himself as Black and a large percentage of people, especially African Americans, voted for him because he was black.

Zippyjuan
04-29-2013, 10:32 AM
OK this is ThinkProgress so it may be completely untrue, however, if it is true that REALLY underlines low turn out on in the country.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/04/28/1932311/african-american-voters-surpassed-white-turnout-in-2012-election/

As measured as percentage of elgible voters turning out at the polls- not in absolute numbers.

jmdrake
04-29-2013, 10:48 AM
He had a choice between two Wall Street backed socialist healthcare supporting bailout supporting warmongering socialistic/fascists and he choose to vote for the black one instead of staying at home. Meh.


Remember this?


Black Chamber of Commerce President: Obama a "Marxist," "anti-Business"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/04/29/black_chamber_of_commerce_president_blasts_marxist _brownshirt_obama.html

Black Chamber of Commerce Head: Obama is ‘Fanatical’ & ‘Marxist’ — I Only Voted for Him ‘Because He’s Black’
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/black-chamber-of-commerce-head-obama-is-fanatical-marxist-i-only-voted-for-him-because-hes-black/


Harry Alford

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dy8nCLeFrqI/TbvKGdjTPuI/AAAAAAAAGi8/PSk_194UPBk/s320/harry-alfored.jpg

KingNothing
04-29-2013, 11:04 AM
If the GOP nominated Herman Cain and the Dems nominated Hillary, black people would turn out in droves for Hillary. It isn't just the skin color. It's the confidence that black people have in Obama that led them to him.

I'd suggest that the next time your local NAACP or similar group holds a townhall/discussion that you all attend. You'll be better for it, the movement will be better for it, and the country will be better for it. Black voters aren't a monolithic block. They're individuals, with individual perspectives, individual histories, and individual points of view. When they turn out en masse for one candidate it says at least as much about the alternative as it does for the politician they supported.

torchbearer
04-29-2013, 11:13 AM
If the GOP nominated Herman Cain and the Dems nominated Hillary, black people would turn out in droves for Hillary. It isn't just the skin color. It's the confidence that black people have in Obama that led them to him.

I'd suggest that the next time your local NAACP or similar group holds a townhall/discussion that you all attend. You'll be better for it, the movement will be better for it, and the country will be better for it. Black voters aren't a monolithic block. They're individuals, with individual perspectives, individual histories, and individual points of view. When they turn out en masse for one candidate it says at least as much about the alternative as it does for the politician they supported.

A few years ago, a local man of trusted renown help us recruit entire neighborhoods of dark skinned humans to join our ranks in the LP. It was great!
but you have to have someone already trusted to bring the message.

jmdrake
04-29-2013, 11:24 AM
If the GOP nominated Herman Cain and the Dems nominated Hillary, black people would turn out in droves for Hillary. It isn't just the skin color. It's the confidence that black people have in Obama that led them to him.

I'd suggest that the next time your local NAACP or similar group holds a townhall/discussion that you all attend. You'll be better for it, the movement will be better for it, and the country will be better for it. Black voters aren't a monolithic block. They're individuals, with individual perspectives, individual histories, and individual points of view. When they turn out en masse for one candidate it says at least as much about the alternative as it does for the politician they supported.

Very good insights! A Dr. Ben Carson or a pre fake Iraq war intelligence Collin Powell might pull a significant number of black votes, but buffoons like Herman Cain and Alan Keyes would not. Rand is following the advice you are giving by reaching out to blacks through visiting HBCUs. I think he's well on his way to getting 10% or better of the black vote in 2016 should he be the GOP nominee. Sure the MSM will pull out all stops on the "racist" card, but the economy will probably be so bad by then that such tricks won't make a difference.

KingNothing
04-29-2013, 11:24 AM
A few years ago, a local man of trusted renown help us recruit entire neighborhoods of dark skinned humans to join our ranks in the LP. It was great!
but you have to have someone already trusted to bring the message.

And the only way to gain someone's trust is to engage in conversation with them, prove your sincerity, and show that your goals are the same as theirs. And they are! We all want the same things -- we want chances at success, we want healthy, happy, families, and we want to be able to go about our lives free of harassment from others. We don't have to agree on every method to bring those things about, we just need to work together where we agree. If people find that we agree on so many issues that they wish to join the LP or GOP, great. If they just want to organize to end the war on drugs, or the wars in the middle east, that's fine too. Either way, we're working together to bring about changes we want to see.

torchbearer
04-29-2013, 11:28 AM
And the only way to gain someone's trust is to engage in conversation with them, prove your sincerity, and show that your goals are the same as theirs. And they are! We all want the same things -- we want chances at success, we want healthy, happy, families, and we want to be able to go about our lives free of harassment from others. We don't have to agree on every method to bring those things about, we just need to work together where we agree. If people find that we agree on so many issues that they wish to join the LP or GOP, great. If they just want to organize to end the war on drugs, or the wars in the middle east, that's fine too. Either way, we're working together to bring about changes we want to see.
I'm all about the coalition to end tyranny.

RonPaulMall
04-29-2013, 11:38 AM
Isn't this just blacks, especially black women, really really liking Barack Obama?

Nothing to do with policy.

Barack Obama is black, they're black, black women find him good looking, etc.

Obama did quite well with Hispanic women as well.

There are no trends to measure, no greater meaning here.

I doubt the next candidate the D's come up with will be the 1st Black President.

Yeah, but the opposite side of that coin is that white voters didn't show up to vote for Romney. That has nothing to do with Obama. Black turnout may not be as high next time around, but if the GOP nominates another corporatist stooge with no core convictions and no ability to inspire the base whites will continue to stay home.

Zippyjuan
04-29-2013, 03:01 PM
Yeah, but the opposite side of that coin is that white voters didn't show up to vote for Romney. That has nothing to do with Obama. Black turnout may not be as high next time around, but if the GOP nominates another corporatist stooge with no core convictions and no ability to inspire the base whites will continue to stay home.

Their #1 pick was "ABR"- Anybody But Romney. True he did have challengers in the primaries but they all managed to shoot themsleves in the foot and take themselves out of the running (except Ron Paul).

sailingaway
04-29-2013, 03:07 PM
As measured as percentage of elgible voters turning out at the polls- not in absolute numbers.

Well, in that case it is their greater turn out AND our lesser, but it still shows really awful turn out. But I hadn't read that part, thanks.

jbauer
04-29-2013, 03:15 PM
Half?

Holstein

The Free Hornet
04-29-2013, 04:13 PM
AP also has the story.


In a first, black voter turnout rate passes whites (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/first-black-voter-turnout-rate-passes-whites)

Associated Press
April 28, 2013


America's blacks voted at a higher rate than other minority groups in 2012 and by most measures surpassed the white turnout for the first time, reflecting a deeply polarized presidential election in which blacks strongly supported Barack Obama while many whites stayed home.

Isn't what they describe, non polarizing? Consider that, "by most measures surpassed the white turnout for the first time" real means that the turnout was about the same. Low turnout indicates apathy, not polarization. More so, there is little new in African-American voting patterns:

http://blackdemographics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Black-Party-Affiliation-and-Vote-Patterns.jpg

I struck by the election of '64 as it appears pivotal in changing the pattern. What happened?

It was Johnson vs Goldwater? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1964) MLK's assassination was '68... so that wasn't it.

Any history buffs know what happened?

jmdrake
04-29-2013, 04:24 PM
Isn't what they describe, non polarizing? Consider that, "by most measures surpassed the white turnout for the first time" real means that the turnout was about the same. Low turnout indicates apathy, not polarization. More so, there is little new in African-American voting patterns:

http://blackdemographics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Black-Party-Affiliation-and-Vote-Patterns.jpg

I struck by the election of '64 as it appears pivotal in changing the pattern. What happened?

It was Johnson vs Goldwater? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1964) MLK's assassination was '68... so that wasn't it.

Any history buffs know what happened?

The 1964 Civil Rights Act. Johnson signed it. Goldwater opposed it. Note though, that your graph starts in 1936. By that time blacks had already switched from voting overwhelmingly for republicans in all races to voting overwhelmingly voting for democrats for president while being somewhat evenly split on party affiliation. That underscores what Rand was attempting to say at Howard regarding black voting patterns and the New Deal.

BlackTerrel
04-29-2013, 06:45 PM
If the GOP nominated Herman Cain and the Dems nominated Hillary, black people would turn out in droves for Hillary. It isn't just the skin color. It's the confidence that black people have in Obama that led them to him.

This times a 1000. And by the way remember when Herman Cain was leading the polls among Republicans? That support was 99.9% white.... I don't know a single black person who liked him.

jmdrake
04-29-2013, 06:46 PM
This times a 1000. And by the way remember when Herman Cain was leading the polls among Republicans? That support was 99.9% white.... I don't know a single black person who liked him.

His wife?

Anti Federalist
04-29-2013, 06:48 PM
The 1964 Civil Rights Act. Johnson signed it. Goldwater opposed it. Note though, that your graph starts in 1936. By that time blacks had already switched from voting overwhelmingly for republicans in all races to voting overwhelmingly voting for democrats for president while being somewhat evenly split on party affiliation. That underscores what Rand was attempting to say at Howard regarding black voting patterns and the New Deal.

Shall I post LBJ's quote on that, or do you want to?

jmdrake
04-29-2013, 06:50 PM
Shall I post LBJ's quote on that, or do you want to?

Please do! (I don't know the quote. :o )

BamaAla
04-29-2013, 06:55 PM
This times a 1000. And by the way remember when Herman Cain was leading the polls among Republicans? That support was 99.9% white.... I don't know a single black person who liked him.

nvm

sailingaway
04-29-2013, 06:57 PM
This times a 1000. And by the way remember when Herman Cain was leading the polls among Republicans? That support was 99.9% white.... I don't know a single black person who liked him.

I don't know a single white person who liked him either. All that proves is that you and I are discriminating in our friends... :p

Anti Federalist
04-29-2013, 07:00 PM
Please do! (I don't know the quote. :o )

This was in the larger context of the "Great Society" program, of which the VRA was part of:

“I'll have those nig gers voting Democratic for the next 200 years. - [Touting his underlying intentions for the "Great Society" programs, LBJ confided with two like-minded governors on Air Force One]”

(edit link to correct forum censoring)

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/770072-i-ll-have-those-nixxers-voting-democratic-for-the-next-200

ItsTime
04-29-2013, 07:15 PM
This was in the larger context of the "Great Society" program, of which the VRA was part of:

“I'll have those nig gers voting Democratic for the next 200 years. - [Touting his underlying intentions for the "Great Society" programs, LBJ confided with two like-minded governors on Air Force One]”

(edit link to correct forum censoring)

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/770072-i-ll-have-those-nixxers-voting-democratic-for-the-next-200

Is this verified?

KrokHead
04-29-2013, 07:17 PM
White voting turn out for Romney would not have made the world a better place.

KingNothing
04-29-2013, 07:29 PM
Is this verified?


Yeah, I think you can find an actual audio clip too.

Zippyjuan
04-29-2013, 07:41 PM
LBJ was a Texan famous for his colorful language.

Philhelm
04-29-2013, 07:43 PM
Wait, what? When did Obama become black? I don't know if the thread is correct but Obama isn't black.

Ironically, we still go by the "One Drop Rule."

Anti Federalist
04-29-2013, 07:50 PM
LBJ was a Texan famous for his colorful language.

LBJ was a filthy, corrupt, manipulative and murderous slimeball, the essence of everything that was, and is, wrong about the District of Calamity and the people who aspire to power in that wretched, fetid, cesspool.