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Anti Federalist
04-26-2013, 03:10 PM
He's done.

He'll die in the gulag.


From Tourist to Terrorist: Or what not to do while traveling between states with a CCL

24 April 2013

http://www.guns.com/2013/04/24/from-tourist-to-terrorist-or-what-not-to-do-while-traveling-between-states-with-a-ccl/

On Saturday, 59-year-old Bobby Glen Jackson, who does security work as a side job, was arrested in his hometown of Fayetteville, North Carolina, and scheduled to be extradited to New York on Monday to be charged with criminal possession of a weapon and reckless endangerment.

When Jackson, a concealed carry permit holder in North Carolina, took a trip with his wife and daughter to the World Trade Center, he made a decision that quickly turned him from typical tourist to suspected terrorist: He carried his pistol with him to New York.

According to The New York Times, while waiting in line to enter the National September 11 Memorial and Museum, Jackson noticed a sign that read, “Prohibited Items” and had a silhouette of a handgun. He then asked a memorial employee, “whether law enforcement or police officers off duty were allowed to enter armed,” to which the employee answered no. Jackson stepped out of line and returned a few minutes later.

However, before he returned to the line, he stowed his loaded pistol under a couch cushion in the lobby of the World Center Hotel, which is right beside the entrance to the memorial.

He proceeded with the tour, then returned to retrieve his gun about 30 minutes after hiding it. Only the gun was not there and he did not report it missing.

While on his tour, a woman had sat down on the couch, only to discover the loaded handgun sitting beneath her. She informed a hotel employee, who immediately called police. What’s worse is that the gun was discovered at almost the exact same time that the bombings in Boston occurred. So naturally, authorities assumed the worst, feared that the two were connected, and that a New York attack was impending.

Thankfully, there was no attack on New York, and the suspected terrorist turned out to just be a gun owner who had made a very poor, albeit terrible, decision.

Anybody who has watched even a snippet of the news in the last six months knows that New York is not considered a gun friendly state. In fact, New York has some of the toughest gun laws in the country, and they have recently become tougher. Traveling between states can be difficult for concealed carriers as laws differ tremendously by state.

For example, in some states, such as Vermont, no permit is needed to carry a concealed weapon. While other states, such as Illinois, do not issue concealed carry permits and do not allow concealed carry of any type. North Carolina honors any permit or license issued by any state, while New York refuses to honor any permit or license from any other state. Still there are other states that only honor certain other states’ permits, not necessarily any or all of them. In other words, just because a gun is legal in one state doesn’t make it legal in all states. And the fact that the state of New York refuses to honor any outside permits is a fairly good reason to educate yourself about state laws if traveling from state to state with a firearm.

Because Jackson either didn’t take the time to learn what the laws are, didn’t care, or just simply forgot about carrying, he is now facing criminal charges.

Of course, this hasn’t been the first time that the state of New York has gone after gun toting tourists either. In 2011 Meredith Graves, a Tennessee nurse and med student, was arrested in New York after asking a police officer outside the same memorial where she could check her firearm.

Also in 2011, Ryan Jerome, a former Marine and jeweler from Indiana, was arrested with a felony charge after attempting to check his pistol with security guards at the Empire State Building.

Tea Party Patriots co-founder, Mark J. Meckler was arrested at New York’s La Guardia Airport in 2011when he attempted to check a gun, secured in a lock box, with a Delta Airlines ticketing agent.

KevinR
04-26-2013, 03:22 PM
This is what happens when the police hire under 100 IQ...

Zippyjuan
04-26-2013, 03:26 PM
However, before he returned to the line, he stowed his loaded pistol under a couch cushion in the lobby of the World Center Hotel, which is right beside the entrance to the memorial.

That doesn't sound like a good idea. Probably should have taken it back to his car.

Brian4Liberty
04-26-2013, 03:28 PM
However, before he returned to the line, he stowed his loaded pistol under a couch cushion in the lobby of the World Center Hotel, which is right beside the entrance to the memorial.

The level of stupidity involved here boggles the mind.

kathy88
04-26-2013, 03:32 PM
Worst. Mistake. Ever. I have actually been on my way to upstate NY and turned around because I forgot.

Anti Federalist
04-26-2013, 04:22 PM
The level of stupidity involved here boggles the mind.

Yes, yes it does....

Warrior_of_Freedom
04-26-2013, 04:26 PM
That doesn't sound like a good idea. Probably should have taken it back to his car.

yeah that was very stupid of him to do

Tod
04-26-2013, 04:28 PM
oh, man.........and some here will no doubt argue that had a kid found the gun and shot himself dead that the moron in question should suffer no punishment beyond his own grief. :eek: :rolleyes:

tod evans
04-26-2013, 04:32 PM
oh, man.........and some here will no doubt argue that had a kid found the gun and shot himself dead that the moron in question should suffer no punishment beyond his own grief. :eek: :rolleyes:

Oh come on!

This guy was a cop who placed his weapon in a public place, loaded and unattended...

I haven't seen or heard anyone advocating that loaded guns should be left lying around in public...

Seth
04-26-2013, 04:34 PM
What kind of responsible gun owner puts a loaded gun under a couch cushion in a hotel lobby?

Anti Federalist
04-26-2013, 04:35 PM
Oh come on!

This guy was a cop who placed his weapon in a public place, loaded and unattended...

I haven't seen or heard anyone advocating that loaded guns should be left lying around in public...

Ban guns...oh, wait.

Anti Federalist
04-26-2013, 04:36 PM
What kind of responsible gun owner puts a loaded gun under a couch cushion in a hotel lobby?

In New York City...

wormyguy
04-26-2013, 04:37 PM
Yeah, leaving loaded guns unattended in a crowded public place is about as dumb as it gets.

ghengis86
04-26-2013, 05:06 PM
Yeah, leaving loaded guns unattended in a crowded public place is about as dumb as it gets.

Terribly stupid. At least pull the mag, pull the slide, pull the barrel, dump the rounds and never put it anywhere in public.

But first rule is to be aware of your surroundings, know what you are doing and where you are going. Come on man, don't give is responsible gun owners a bad name. We have it bad enough.

torchbearer
04-26-2013, 05:17 PM
In New York City...
set up.

dannno
04-26-2013, 05:31 PM
Very bad idea, but he probably honestly thought there was no way anybody would ever find out he placed the gun under that couch cushion.

Lindsey
04-26-2013, 08:29 PM
What kind of responsible gun owner puts a loaded gun under a couch cushion in a hotel lobby?

A cop... apparently.

Anti Federalist
04-26-2013, 08:37 PM
That's what I get for skimming and doing a hundred things at once.

I'm just now learning this clown was a cop...SMFH...

Henry Rogue
04-26-2013, 09:11 PM
What kind of responsible gun owner puts a loaded gun under a couch cushion in a hotel lobby?
This kind.
May 28, 1998

MADISON, Wis. - The police chief forgot he had a gun in the oven. Then he decided to roast some turkey. ``Shortly thereafter - BOOM!'' police spokeswoman Jeana Kerr said Wednesday. The outcome for amateur chef and full-time Chief Richard Williams was a voluntary one-day, unpaid suspension for violating his department's firearms policy. Williams said the oven is one of the odd hiding places at home where he puts his service revolver to reduce the risk of a burglar taking it. On Sunday, he forgot he placed it in the oven the day before. It fired a round through the stove and into a hall banister. http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1998-05-28/news/9805280214_1_oven-forgot-boom

fr33
04-26-2013, 09:56 PM
The NYT claims the police state was out in full force after they found the gun... (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/22/a-disturbing-mystery-is-solved-and-a-tourist-is-in-custody/)
The man who inadvertently set off a sweeping police investigation
So they were smart enough to find the gun but not watch for it's owner to return and arrest him?

Anti Federalist
04-27-2013, 11:31 AM
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KrokHead
04-27-2013, 11:36 AM
That doesn't sound like a good idea. Probably should have taken it back to his car.

He was probably very far away from it.

kcchiefs6465
04-27-2013, 12:21 PM
He was probably very far away from it.
Then he probably should have said, screw it, and found something else to do. Only an idiot would do what he did. I really don't even understand how that thought would cross someone's mind as being logical.

FrankRep
04-27-2013, 12:44 PM
However, before he returned to the line, he stowed his loaded pistol under a couch cushion in the lobby of the World Center Hotel, which is right beside the entrance to the memorial.

http://showtimeshowdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/facepalm.jpg

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
04-27-2013, 01:56 PM
When Jackson, a concealed carry permit holder in North Carolina, took a trip with his wife and daughter to the World Trade Center, he made a decision that quickly turned him from typical tourist to suspected terrorist: He carried his pistol with him to New York.

According to The New York Times, while waiting in line to enter the National September 11 Memorial and Museum, Jackson noticed a sign that read, “Prohibited Items” and had a silhouette of a handgun. He then asked a memorial employee, “whether law enforcement or police officers off duty were allowed to enter armed,” to which the employee answered no. Jackson stepped out of line and returned a few minutes later.

However, before he returned to the line, he stowed his loaded pistol under a couch cushion in the lobby of the World Center Hotel, which is right beside the entrance to the memorial.


That was stupid, I don't care where the couch is. I'm late to the party here, but what if a 2 year old found it?

And however you feel about laws, you should know the environment you're in. This dipshit cop clearly did not. He's so used to exceptions for himself, I guess he thought it worked like that everywhere.