NY middle school sex ed class gone wild

[devil21]

Wtf? No lesbian or sluts left behind. Is this really what schools have turned into?

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/school-forces-all-girls-to-lesbian-kiss/#xZumhmDvdtc7qxWx.99



Outraged parents say a New York middle school instructed young female students to ask one another for a lesbian kiss – and boys learned how to spot young sluts – in an anti-bullying presentation on gender identity and sexual orientation, according to Fox News’ Todd Starnes.

According to Starnes’ Report, the children attended a special April 11 health class taught by college students at Linden Avenue Middle School in Red Hook, N.Y. Parents say they were not notified of the presentation.

The students were introduced to terms such as “pansexual” and “gender*****.”

Some of the young female students said they were told it was common for 14-year-old girls to have sex and their parents couldn’t stop them.

more at link

[Keith and stuff]

Middle school is a lot different than in my day. What happened to the bible history classes? Seems they have been replaced with the forced lesbian classes...

[Smart3]

Some of the young female students said they were told it was common for 14-year-old girls to have sex and their parents couldn’t stop them.

That part is certainly true.

[BAllen]

Cultural Marxist demoralization. The destruction continues.

[AngryCanadian]

Whats next? legalize Child porn? adult porn to kids?

[osan]

The mind reels.

I'd take a trip to hell and hire satan as my lawyer and get as many parents as I could to go for a class action against the school.

After winning, I would silently murder everyone who had anything to do with this. Kidding, but barely.

But those asshole parents will keep their kids in that school, so all I can say is "fuck 'em", though I feel badly for these kids who are being abused. I wonder whether the school administrators and teachers could be charged criminally with child molestation? I'd talk to the local prosecutor and if that yielded no joy maybe a US attorney. I would endeavor to destroy those people within the legal framework because they really need to be laid waste.

[osan]

Cultural Marxist demoralization. The destruction continues.


That is PRECISELY what it is. Textbook.

Fie on those parents if they do not put a stop to it by whatever means necessary and I would not rule out violence. Those people are dangerous and need to be stopped without equivocation. I bet they do nothing but bitch and then go silent, but perhaps they will surprise me.

[Smart3]

Whats next? legalize Child porn? adult porn to kids?

I'm curious what you mean by child porn? Legally, 15-17 year olds would be child pornography, despite that activity being legal in most of America and most of Europe.

[Anti Federalist]

Government schools are child abuse.

[bolil]

Government schools are child abuse.
Nope, only parents and pederasts can abuse kids.

[braane]

I remember middle school well, and believe me, this was more than likely NOT an introduction to this terminology. The kids are no worse for wear. If the parents have a problem with it they should have sent their kids to private school (or home school).

As a culture we should be less ashamed of sexuality. I'm not condoning having them attempt to kiss each other, but sexual terminology is OK to know. I am assuming that these kids were 12-14. A 14 year old having sex is perfectly acceptable. There is a reason humans develop at that age, if they weren't supposed to have sex then they wouldn't develop yet. Any parental opinion saying otherwise, frankly, is wrong.

[Wooden Indian]

I remember middle school well, and believe me, this was more than likely NOT an introduction to this terminology. The kids are no worse for wear. If the parents have a problem with it they should have sent their kids to private school (or home school).

As a culture we should be less ashamed of sexuality. I'm not condoning having them attempt to kiss each other, but sexual terminology is OK to know. I am assuming that these kids were 12-14. A 14 year old having sex is perfectly acceptable. There is a reason humans develop at that age, if they weren't supposed to have sex then they wouldn't develop yet. Any parental opinion saying otherwise, frankly, is wrong.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am NOT wrong to expect my 15 year old daughter to not have sex at her age... nor is it "perfectly acceptable" for her to do so.

I do hope you are a minor yourself, otherwise your comment is a little pedo-ish, and that worries me.
Let children be children. Allow them some innocence. Don't think because the little girl down the road grew some boobies, she's read for perversions. Jesus. ::sigh::

[V3n]

A couple of thoughts:

1) role-playing or putting yourself in someone else's shoes is a mind-broadening experience and good thing to do (referring to the 'lesbian-kiss' thing)
2) "teaching boys how to spot young sluts" - I'm hoping had more to do about teaching young ladies how to not project themselves as "young sluts"
C) if you want the Public Education System to baby-sit, educate, take responsibility for, and rear your child - you get what you paid for.
3) I don't know what a “pansexual” or “gender*****” is.
4) It is common for 14-year-old girls to have sex and their parents couldn't stop them. (http://www.teenhelp.com/teen-pregnancy/teen-pregnancy-statistics.html)

Sad truths, but I don't think anyone should get in trouble over any of this. If you don't like it, take responsibility for your own kid and get them out of public school.

[bolil]

A couple of thoughts:

1) role-playing or putting yourself in someone else's shoes is a mind-broadening experience and good thing to do (referring to the 'lesbian-kiss' thing)
2) "teaching boys how to spot young sluts" - I'm hoping had more to do about teaching young ladies how to not project themselves as "young sluts"
C) if you want the Public Education System to baby-sit, educate, take responsibility for, and rear your child - you get what you paid for.
3) I don't know what a “pansexual” or “gender*****” is.
4) It is common for 14-year-old girls to have sex and their parents couldn't stop them. (http://www.teenhelp.com/teen-pregnancy/teen-pregnancy-statistics.html)

Sad truths, but I don't think anyone should get in trouble over any of this. If you don't like it, take responsibility for your own kid and get them out of public school.

And when truancy, or contributing to, is a criminal offense? Role playing is fantastic. Now why don't you assume the role of a 14 year old girl being told, by an authority figures, to lip wrestle Sally. Sounds appropriate to you?

Meh, I've got work tomorrow, thank god, but I am NOT done with this or you.

[heavenlyboy34]

I remember middle school well, and believe me, this was more than likely NOT an introduction to this terminology. The kids are no worse for wear. If the parents have a problem with it they should have sent their kids to private school (or home school).

As a culture we should be less ashamed of sexuality. I'm not condoning having them attempt to kiss each other, but sexual terminology is OK to know. I am assuming that these kids were 12-14. A 14 year old having sex is perfectly acceptable. There is a reason humans develop at that age, if they weren't supposed to have sex then they wouldn't develop yet. Any parental opinion saying otherwise, frankly, is wrong.
Just because adolescents are willing and able to have sex doesn't make it a good idea. Perhaps in 3rd world countries it doesn't really matter if girls get knocked up or STDs get shared like candy. I personally wouldn't recommend 1st world parents allow their kids to do that. (unless we're dealing with a society in which adolescents are raised to make adult decisions at 12-13...but the US ain't one of them, except in certain corners of the woods)

[PaulConventionWV]

Wtf? No lesbian or sluts left behind. Is this really what schools have turned into?

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/school-forces-all-girls-to-lesbian-kiss/#xZumhmDvdtc7qxWx.99

College students were teaching it? That explains it.

[Origanalist]

That part is certainly true.

It always happened, however, it was never encouraged .

[dannno]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am NOT wrong to expect my 15 year old daughter to not have sex at her age... nor is it "perfectly acceptable" for her to do so.

I do hope you are a minor yourself, otherwise your comment is a little pedo-ish, and that worries me.
Let children be children. Allow them some innocence. Don't think because the little girl down the road grew some boobies, she's read for perversions. Jesus. ::sigh::

I don't think it is pedo-ish to have a good solid long-term memories of your adolescence and how you may have felt about things back then.

The thing is not everybody is ready at 15.. but some are not only ready, but there is nothing you can do to stop them.

There is a delicate balance between not making kids feel like they aren't normal if they feel like they want to wait and also not being unrealistic about the fact that people historically do breed at that age and the desire to breed for some is going to overwhelm most anything else. Then there's everything in between.

I think what braane was saying is probably accurate about most inner-city and suburban kids, the fact is other than possibly whatever they were trying to do with the whole lesbian kissing thing, most of the rest was probably no worse than the things they'd be hearing otherwise from their peers about sex. In fact it very well may be better than what they hear from their peers about some of those things.

[Origanalist]

A couple of thoughts:

1) role-playing or putting yourself in someone else's shoes is a mind-broadening experience and good thing to do (referring to the 'lesbian-kiss' thing)
2) "teaching boys how to spot young sluts" - I'm hoping had more to do about teaching young ladies how to not project themselves as "young sluts"
C) if you want the Public Education System to baby-sit, educate, take responsibility for, and rear your child - you get what you paid for.
3) I don't know what a “pansexual” or “gender*****” is.
4) It is common for 14-year-old girls to have sex and their parents couldn't stop them. (http://www.teenhelp.com/teen-pregnancy/teen-pregnancy-statistics.html)

Sad truths, but I don't think anyone should get in trouble over any of this. If you don't like it, take responsibility for your own kid and get them out of public school.

That is a complete crock of shit, not everybody can take their kids out of public schools. Actually, FUCK YOU. This shit has no business being in school curriculum.

[bolil]

Nah, any of this in schools is not only wrong, it is hypocritical coming from the 'left'. A group that says they are all for 'choice', LOL, well if it was about choice sex ed would be left to individual and extracurricular discovery. Also, the internet. I know, I know, if we don't tell them about sex, they will be irresponsible. Shit, what a fucking groundbreaker, kids will be irresponsible. Many will contract STDS and many will become pregnant, cest la vie. que sera sera.

[jclay2]

That is a complete crock of shit, not everybody can take their kids out of public schools. Actually, FUCK YOU. This shit has no business being in school curriculum.

Yeah I agree. And when did we sign on to pay for this? Seems like it was forced onto most of us?

[Origanalist]

I don't think it is pedo-ish to have a good solid long-term memories of your adolescence and how you may have felt about things back then.

The thing is not everybody is ready at 15.. but some are not only ready, but there is nothing you can do to stop them.

There is a delicate balance between not making kids feel like they aren't normal if they feel like they want to wait and also not being unrealistic about the fact that people historically do breed at that age and the desire to breed for some is going to overwhelm most anything else. Then there's everything in between.

I think what braane was saying is probably accurate about most inner-city and suburban kids, the fact is other than possibly whatever they were trying to do with the whole lesbian kissing thing, most of the rest was probably no worse than the things they'd be hearing otherwise from their peers about sex. In fact it very well may be better than what they hear from their peers about some of those things.

Right, what they need is a "mature" voice to instruct them and "guide" them. Right danno?

[Origanalist]

Yeah I agree. And when did we sign on to pay for this? Seems like it was forced onto most of us?

No, it doesn't seem like. It was.

[jclay2]

Right, what they need is a "mature" voice to instruct them and "guide" them. Right danno?

lolz.... that was effing hilarious.

[WhistlinDave]

I have a couple thoughts as well. I don't think it's OK for them to require any student to kiss another student, whether girl on girl, boy on girl, or pansexual on gender*****. If it was optional for the students, and if the parents had known of the course content and given an opportunity to "opt out" their kids, then I wouldn't see anything wrong with it.

Here in California we parents do have the option to opt our kids out of any kind of sex ed. I think I've heard that New York has a similar law; I think something like 36 states now have the ability for parents to opt out. (All 50 should, but that's another story.) So if these parents didn't opt out, and now they're upset, they might only have themselves to blame. (I admit I'm not 100% sure the laws in NY though. Could be wrong.)

Lastly, I have to say, the whole pansexual thing is highly overrated. I tried it once and it was horrible. In retrospect I think I shouldn't have drained the bacon grease first. Way too dry.

[bolil]

Right, what they need is a "mature" voice to instruct them and "guide" them. Right danno?

Don't usually trumpet this, but I am outta rep for you. What in the shit is pansexual? Sexual attraction to everything? bestiality?

On another note

Why would anyone bring an innocent life into this, and I mean this, SHIT.

[Anti Federalist]

Here, let me throw some cold water on that whole lesbian kissing thing:

http://cdn.breitbart.com/mediaserver/Breitbart/Big-Government/2013/01/03/cynthia-chase.jpg

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http://www.zapcomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/now-kiss.jpg

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[SpicyTurkey]

Lastly, I have to say, the whole pansexual thing is highly overrated. I tried it once and it was horrible. In retrospect I think I shouldn't have drained the bacon grease first. Way too dry.

I watch a lot of porn, and I have no idea what you've just said. I know it's meant to be joke, but I still don't quite understand.
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[Antischism]

What exactly is a "lesbian kiss"? Peck on the Lips? Full-blown making out? I'm also unclear about the "slut" thing. What exactly do they mean by "spotting young sluts"? That's the objectionable stuff in my opinion.

The rest seems about right, and I have no problem with kids learning about different terms or realizing that sex does happen at a young age. As long as they're encouraging safe sex and the use of protection to these kids and not trying to encourage them to be promiscuous 14-year-olds, it's all good. No amount of telling teens that sex at a young age can lead to unfavorable circumstances is going to stop them, so the next best option is to educate them on safety measures. That's not to say that they shouldn't be warned, but there's no use in trying to beat it into them.

[V3n]

And when truancy, or contributing to, is a criminal offense? Role playing is fantastic. Now why don't you assume the role of a 14 year old girl being told, by an authority figures, to lip wrestle Sally. Sounds appropriate to you?

From what I can tell from the article they were being asked to ask for a kiss, not to actually do it.

Now you assume the role of a homosexual who's been bullied and told their entire life that what they instinctively desire is wrong, and see how uncomfortable it is for you to ask the same. Then maybe you'll understand how difficult life is for them, and why this type of role-play could help you understand.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

wtf whats next, having the kids have gay sex in school. Why won't liberals stop until everyone is fucking gay? Tolerance is one thing, fucking pushing a homosexual agenda is another. All pansexual means is that someone is so horny they'll fuck anything.

[bolil]

From what I can tell from the article they were being asked to ask for a kiss, not to actually do it.

Now you assume the role of a homosexual who's been bullied and told their entire life that what they instinctively desire is wrong, and see how uncomfortable it is for you to ask the same. Then maybe you'll understand how difficult life is for them, and why this type of role-play could help you understand.

Okay, and when the cops 'ask' you to assume the position, and you don't... what usually happens? Homosexuals don't need your pity, they don't need you as an advocate, and they certainly don't need the flack they will catch for being associated with shit like this. Then maybe I will understand, shaking my FUCKING head. Do you always assume? Help me understand... you know what, fuck off. How about the 'straight' kids, wouldn't such an exercise affect their lives?

[V3n]

That is a complete crock of shit, not everybody can take their kids out of public schools. Actually, FUCK YOU. This shit has no business being in school curriculum.

Understanding people with different sexual desires has no business in school curriculum?
Teaching young ladies how not to project themselves as "young sluts" has no business in school curriculum?
Or being honest about teen pregnancy rates has no business in school curriculum?

I'm not sure to which you are referring. Before we get on bad terms, could you please clarify?

[bolil]

Understanding people with different sexual desires has no business in school curriculum?
Teaching young ladies how not to project themselves as "young sluts" has no business in school curriculum?
Or being honest about teen pregnancy rates has no business in school curriculum?

I'm not sure to which you are referring. Before we get on bad terms, could you please clarify?

Since when is anyones sexual preference or desires anyone's business? Some young 'ladies' will be sluts, others won't. Some young men will be pricks, others wont. Again, what business is it of yours or anyones? Honest about teen pregnancy rates? If my nonexistent daughter gets pregnant, it is neither your business nor her peers, nor the governments, nor the schools after all she is a person, not a statistic. Her business, and the fathers.

To spare you the interthreat, consider me and you on bad terms.

[WhistlinDave]

I watch a lot of porn, and I have no idea what you've just said. I know it's meant to be joke, but I still don't quite understand.
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It was totally a joke. Pansexual has nothing to do with cookware. (At least I don't think it does.) I think it's kind of like bisexual only they'll literally screw just about anybody. Transsexual, woman, man, pretty, ugly, dwarf, deformed, redhead, fat, skinny, albino, big moles on their face with hair growing out of them, whatever, none of that matters to a pansexual, they'll do 'em all. I might have the definition wrong, this is just what I've heard.

[WhistlinDave]

To be honest I didn't read the article, but is it taking the "young sluts" exercise out of context? It says it's an "anti-bullying" thing which leads me to believe maybe the point of the exercise was to stop the boys and say, "None of these girls should ever be called sluts. You can't tell by looking at someone and even if you could, that term is demeaning and hurtful" Or something along those lines. That's my guess, anyway.

[V3n]

First of all - nobody seems to know what "pansexual" means, so I went to the only logical source, Urban Dictionary.


1. pansexual

1. Adjective: A group which is open to members of all sexual orientations or gender identities including straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transexual, or transvestite.

2. Noun: A person who is sexually interested in other people regardless of gender including males, females, transexuals, tansvestites, gender benders, hermaphrodites, intersexuals, androgenous people, and those with sex-chromosome anomaly such as klinefelter syndrome or turner syndrome.

3. Noun: A person who is a member of a pansexual group or a person who associates with people of all sexual orientations but is not necessarily interested in sex with people of all sexes or genders though ...
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by Faustopheles Apr 14, 2004 add a video

2. pansexual

loving a person for WHO they are and not what they are
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wishes to be compatable through mind.

true love
"I love YOU for who you are."

loving a person for WHO they are and not what they are - sounds beautiful, I wish I were taught this in school.

[Ranger29860]

We can not be getting the full story here.

[V3n]

Since when is anyones sexual preference or desires anyone's business? Some young 'ladies' will be sluts, others won't. Some young men will be pricks, others wont. Again, what business is it of yours or anyones? Honest about teen pregnancy rates? If my nonexistent daughter gets pregnant, it is neither your business nor her peers, nor the governments, nor the schools after all she is a person, not a statistic. Her business, and the fathers.

To spare you the interthreat, consider me and you on bad terms.

None of this is anyone's business but their own self's, but understanding one-another should be everyone's business. And I don't consider us on bad terms, despite your profanity against me. I still think you're cool. ;)

[Origanalist]

Understanding people with different sexual desires has no business in school curriculum?
Teaching young ladies how not to project themselves as "young sluts" has no business in school curriculum?
Or being honest about teen pregnancy rates has no business in school curriculum?

I'm not sure to which you are referring. Before we get on bad terms, could you please clarify?

Gladly. Morality has no place in public schools. (why does that word, school, seem totally wrong?)

It's not up to the schools- gubmint to enter that arena.

[DamianTV]

What is taught in schools needs to be decided by the Parents and the Teachers, not the Guvmint.

Abolish the Dept of Education.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Understanding people with different sexual desires has no business in school curriculum?
Teaching young ladies how not to project themselves as "young sluts" has no business in school curriculum?
Or being honest about teen pregnancy rates has no business in school curriculum?

I'm not sure to which you are referring. Before we get on bad terms, could you please clarify?
Kids aren't meant to go to school to become gay. They're highly impressionable and all this pro gay education will start making everybody think they're gay. It's gotten to the point they're not just being taught "Don't tease someone if they are attracted to the same gender," but are actually ENCOURAGED To be homosexuals, as per article saying girls were encouraged to kiss each other. I wonder why the boys weren't asked to too, huh? Maybe the people giving the presentation only get off to underage girls, fucking disgusting.

[osan]

I remember middle school well, and believe me, this was more than likely NOT an introduction to this terminology. The kids are no worse for wear. If the parents have a problem with it they should have sent their kids to private school (or home school).

As a culture we should be less ashamed of sexuality. I'm not condoning having them attempt to kiss each other, but sexual terminology is OK to know. I am assuming that these kids were 12-14. A 14 year old having sex is perfectly acceptable. There is a reason humans develop at that age, if they weren't supposed to have sex then they wouldn't develop yet. Any parental opinion saying otherwise, frankly, is wrong.

You are so very clearly the product of such a generation.

First of all, it is not just terminology. Words have effect, which is why they are so damned important. This is especially so with children because they do not yet possess the biologically developmental capacities nor the life experience to put terminology in its proper perspective. I was a public school teacher in NYC for about 3 years and I can tell you without equivocation that the words you use matter, as does the manner in which those words are employed.

The bottom line is this: children are not being merely taught to be tolerant of homosexuality, they are being very actively encouraged to go that route. The indoctrination is for most subtle (only because they are intellectually lazy and more interested in what's happening on TV than in their child's life), but for anyone with even a single nominally functional brain cell it is very readily apparent what is happening.

Whether it is OK for children to be taught even the terminologies is a parental decision and not one for the Boards of "Education". Why? Precisely because this is a highly personal sort of matter. OTOH, the rest of the content should be determined based on parental choices as well. But the parents let the monster in the house and now they complain about not wanting it there. To hell with them because this could have been stopped long ago and nobody cared enough to life a finger. It isn't my kids being turned ***** so I really am not that concerned with it. Having a child who flames and floats from age 5 is one thing and might not be avoidable, but to have him purposed turned that way through indoctrination is criminal and I'd not tolerate it for the least moment.

As for your normative assertion about shame, that is not your call to make for other people. You display the mindset of the well intending tyrant, thinking you know what is best for others. A 14 year old having sex in THIS culture of prolonged childhood is not acceptable to many and it is not your place to say otherwise for them. I would not allow you anywhere near my children and would break your jaw in several places were I to have caught you attempting to communicate with them in any manner. THAT is how I feel about the sort of thinking your words embody. Lucky for everyone, my girls are young adults, one married, both very heterosexual, and far away from the likes of you. I also endowed them with the mental abilities to kick people like you in the psychological balls and toss them to the curb.

You have a choice here: change for the wiser or remain a putz. You don't know shit and have a long, long way to go before your opinions are worth more than half of that.

[osan]

I personally wouldn't recommend 1st world parents allow their kids to do that. (unless we're dealing with a society in which adolescents are raised to make adult decisions at 12-13...but the US ain't one of them, except in certain corners of the woods)

My paternal grandma was a real-deal, no-shit baroness. She was born in 1901, was married at 15, bore my uncle at 16 and so forth. By that age she was running a household with servants, entertaining other aristocrats, and was more capable in many ways than a typical American at 40. She was smart as the devil, had a wild and often raunchy sense of humor, was kind and generous to a fault, could be very clever in getting what she needed in the face of those who would see her murdered (post-war communists), and died with knowledge most adult Americans are too stoopid to realize they should regret with bitterness not having.

Your point about how they are raised is well taken and precisely on the money. Children in the USA are raised mainly to be lifelong imbeciles, especially in the area of emotional development. This renders them compliant and that is what Theye want, of course. My girls avoided this because it was circumvented at every turn. They attended French schools in Abu Dhabi as children and private schools in the USA. They spent but 3 years in public schools because I did not have the $$ to send them to privates at that time. They got through things OK and when school bullshit came up they always came to me with questions and I set them right when they were unsure. I did, in fact, defeat Themm where my girls are concerned and I wear it as a badge of honor.

[osan]

Right, what they need is a "mature" voice to instruct them and "guide" them. Right danno?

Yeah, with an erection or soaking wet loins under their garments as they say, "trust me".

Said the spider to the fly.

Sheesh.

[V3n]

Kids aren't meant to go to school to become gay. They're highly impressionable and all this pro gay education will start making everybody think they're gay. It's gotten to the point they're not just being taught "Don't tease someone if they are attracted to the same gender," but are actually ENCOURAGED To be homosexuals, as per article saying girls were encouraged to kiss each other. I wonder why the boys weren't asked to too, huh? Maybe the people giving the presentation only get off to underage girls, fucking disgusting.

Children don't "become" gay anymore than you "became" straight. If this ^ is what you think, I believe you could benefit from a class like this.

[osan]

Here, let me throw some cold water on that whole lesbian kissing thing:

Oh GOD.... my retinas... they burn!


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHH..........

[asurfaholic]

Sheesh. Sex Ed... That "class" has no place in schools. Parents who are too irresponsible to teach these personal topics to their own children are the filth of the nation.

No, any asshole who thinks its ok for some other asshole to teach someone else's (barely) teenaged children that it is ok to have sex, or even more disturbing, that it is ok to disobey their parents is an enemy to liberty and parental responsibility.

Braane, I don't know if you realize this, but a parent actually is responsible for raising their child into adulthood. Just because a body is fully developed doesnt mean they are ready to start reproducing and taking on the responsibilities of possible parenthood. Or possible disease. What 14 year old needs to contract a STD? You do realize the parents will have o be responsible for paying for treatment, right? So knowing this, as a parent, FUCK Anyone who thinks that its ok for my little girl to disregard the proper morals I taught her.

I didnt have sex with anyone until i married my wife at 24. That is so rare these days that people can't contain their looks of disbelief when they hear it. That's a shame. Not that I care what other people do in their bedrooms, cause i don't, but I entered into a morally responsible relationship and i am reaping the rewards of such, and fully intend to teach my daughter the same.

Homeschooling is definitely the solution to the public indoctrination crime that is school today, but I may not realistically be able to avoid putting her in school, so what I teach at home has to be bigger than the peer pressure she will face. I don't want to be competing with an actual class that by design contradicts every moral i have tried to instill in my little one. Sex Ed does not belong in school. Teen pregnancies are a tragedy, and can throw a young person's life into a world of responsibility they are not ready to handle yet.

[angelatc]

The mind reels.

I'd take a trip to hell and hire satan as my lawyer and get as many parents as I could to go for a class action against the school.



Bullshit. School boards are run by elections. This calls for an immediate recall. Somewhere in that irate crowd there's a soccer Mom with a mean streak suited for politics.

[angelatc]

Understanding people with different sexual desires has no business in school curriculum?
Teaching young ladies how not to project themselves as "young sluts" has no business in school curriculum?
Or being honest about teen pregnancy rates has no business in school curriculum?

I'm not sure to which you are referring. Before we get on bad terms, could you please clarify?


I'd say all of the above. Social engineering isn't on the list of things schools are supposed to accomplish. Well, not the official list, anyway.

[angelatc]

I remember middle school well, and believe me, this was more than likely NOT an introduction to this terminology. The kids are no worse for wear. If the parents have a problem with it they should have sent their kids to private school (or home school).

As a culture we should be less ashamed of sexuality. I'm not condoning having them attempt to kiss each other, but sexual terminology is OK to know. I am assuming that these kids were 12-14. A 14 year old having sex is perfectly acceptable. There is a reason humans develop at that age, if they weren't supposed to have sex then they wouldn't develop yet. Any parental opinion saying otherwise, frankly, is wrong.


Right here, people. These are the people running the school boards. "The kids are no worse for the wear" even though at least one of them was in tears at the prospect of being bullied and harassed because she was forced to roleplay.

But no matter - she's just the individual. Because "As a culture we should be less ashamed of sexuality....." these programs are for the greater good, don't you see?

Here's what I see: Social engineering.

[newbitech]

Middle school is a lot different than in my day. What happened to the bible history classes? Seems they have been replaced with the forced lesbian classes...

yeah, didn't have to "teach" us this stuff! :p

[braane]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am NOT wrong to expect my 15 year old daughter to not have sex at her age... nor is it "perfectly acceptable" for her to do so.

I do hope you are a minor yourself, otherwise your comment is a little pedo-ish, and that worries me.
Let children be children. Allow them some innocence. Don't think because the little girl down the road grew some boobies, she's read for perversions. Jesus. ::sigh::
I think that my comments were slightly misconstrued. When I said it was ok, I meant (obviously) among their own age group. At that age, you aren't a child anymore. One of the problems is parents want to cling to their children's innocence rather than let them be who they want. We can debate the mental ramifications of having sex at 14 (which is the only real argument against it), but there is no denying nature. If we were supposed to start exploring sex at 18 we would develop them.

The strange social conservative phenomena in America eludes me.

[Wooden Indian]

I think that my comments were slightly misconstrued. When I said it was ok, I meant (obviously) among their own age group. At that age, you aren't a child anymore. One of the problems is parents want to cling to their children's innocence rather than let them be who they want. We can debate the mental ramifications of having sex at 14 (which is the only real argument against it), but there is no denying nature. If we were supposed to start exploring sex at 18 we would develop them.

The strange social conservative phenomena in America eludes me.

Mental ramifications are the only arguments to be made? I suppose STDs do not exist. And we all know that 14 year olds are responsible enough to use condoms everytime they engage in a sex act. Most aren't responsible enough to take out the trash without 15 reminders.

And let's say there are no STDs, let us assume we live in a World without such diseases... who takes care of the children's children? Does the young mother take care of her child while she's at school getting her education? Perhaps she just takes the kid along since they're so close in age, they can attend the same classes. That might work.

What about the father? Shall the father drop out of school, and take on a career position as a busboy or a grocery bagger? Give up on all of his hopes, dreams, and potential simply because nature let his lil willy get hard? It's only natural right? Forget the fact that babies younger than 6 months old get erections. Obviously their bodies are ready to start layin' the ol pipe, eh?

This is not even getting into the financial adpects of who ends up paying for these children of children. Guess who gets to float the welfare bill, pay for doctor check ups, food, housing.... us, my friend. We do. So the "mental ramifications" argument is far from the only one to be made. It is a HUGE argument, but I can argue against 14 year old sex without even listing it.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

and boys learned how to spot young sluts


Now that's a useful lifelong skill right there, whether you want to find them or avoid them.



Kids aren't meant to go to school to become gay. They're highly impressionable and all this pro gay education will start making everybody think they're gay.


I'm 100% certain even insane amounts of "pro gay education" would not have made me think I was gay. Honestly, I don't think it's a school class topic at all.

[heavenlyboy34]

I think that my comments were slightly misconstrued. When I said it was ok, I meant (obviously) among their own age group. At that age, you aren't a child anymore. One of the problems is parents want to cling to their children's innocence rather than let them be who they want. We can debate the mental ramifications of having sex at 14 (which is the only real argument against it), but there is no denying nature. If we were supposed to start exploring sex at 18 we would develop them.

The strange social conservative phenomena in America eludes me.
I'm not conservative at all. I just have the common sense to know that juveniles at this point in history are not mature enough to make sensible decisions about this. There was a time when people were raised to be practically adults by the teen years, but that doesn't happen anymore except in very rare instances.

Then there's the obvious liability of the parent of a minor. Trust me, you don't want to be the parent and guardian of a minor child with a child of his/her own that was born because the kid was horny and irresponsible. I have a cousin who got knocked up in high school, and she still hasn't really grown up.

[heavenlyboy34]

Mental ramifications are the only arguments to be made? I suppose STDs do not exist. And we all know that 14 year olds are responsible enough to use condoms everytime they engage in a sex act. Most aren't responsible enough to take out the trash without 15 reminders.

And let's say there are no STDs, let us assume we live in a World without such diseases... who takes care of the children's children? Does the young mother take care of her child while she's at school getting her education? Perhaps she just takes the kid along since they're so close in age, they can attend the same classes. That might work.

What about the father? Shall the father drop out of school, and take on a career position as a busboy or a grocery bagger? Give up on all of his hopes, dreams, and potential simply because nature let his lil willy get hard? It's only natural right? Forget the fact that babies younger than 6 months old get erections. Obviously their bodies are ready to start layin' the ol pipe, eh?

This is not even getting into the financial adpects of who ends up paying for these children of children. Guess who gets to float the welfare bill, pay for doctor check ups, food, housing.... us, my friend. We do. So the "mental ramifications" argument is far from the only one to be made. It is a HUGE argument, but I can argue against 14 year old sex without even listing it.
+rep

[braane]

Mental ramifications are the only arguments to be made? I suppose STDs do not exist. And we all know that 14 year olds are responsible enough to use condoms everytime they engage in a sex act. Most aren't responsible enough to take out the trash without 15 reminders.

And let's say there are no STDs, let us assume we live in a World without such diseases... who takes care of the children's children? Does the young mother take care of her child while she's at school getting her education? Perhaps she just takes the kid along since they're so close in age, they can attend the same classes. That might work.

What about the father? Shall the father drop out of school, and take on a career position as a busboy or a grocery bagger? Give up on all of his hopes, dreams, and potential simply because nature let his lil willy get hard? It's only natural right? Forget the fact that babies younger than 6 months old get erections. Obviously their bodies are ready to start layin' the ol pipe, eh?

This is not even getting into the financial adpects of who ends up paying for these children of children. Guess who gets to float the welfare bill, pay for doctor check ups, food, housing.... us, my friend. We do. So the "mental ramifications" argument is far from the only one to be made. It is a HUGE argument, but I can argue against 14 year old sex without even listing it.

Firstly, I am sorry if I have offended anyone, that wasn't my intention. My original comment was disrespectful and for that I do apologize.

Admittedly STIs didn't really cross my mind. Obviously reproduction did, but I base my belief in that off nature. Humans made early reproduction work for thousands of years before modern medicine, when life expectancy was less than 30.

Before we end up further into a debate about nature vs nurture, which would inevitably end up at religion, I will bow out.

[Jamesiv1]

Here we have an excellent example of a symptom of the problem, rather than the problem itself. And the outrage in this thread illustrates the disconnect between so-called modern, mostly western, first-world civilization and how humans lived happily and fruitfully before the social and cultural engineering began (some call it "progress") - i.e. bad food, bad water, break-down of family and community, creation of governments, boundaries and nation-states, disintegration of moral values, secularization, etc. It's been going on for centuries, if not millennia.

While I donate and support fighting the good fight, I believe nothing will really change without a zombie apocalypse.... Clean the slate, clear the wreckage, let the planet heal, and start again. Or not.

[asurfaholic]

Firstly, I am sorry if I have offended anyone, that wasn't my intention. My original comment was disrespectful and for that I do apologize.

Admittedly STIs didn't really cross my mind. Obviously reproduction did, but I base my belief in that off nature. Humans made early reproduction work for thousands of years before modern medicine, when life expectancy was less than 30.

Before we end up further into a debate about nature vs nurture, which would inevitably end up at religion, I will bow out.

Not going the religious route either, reproductive systems in a girl are already functioning before they exit the womb. The nature argument just doesn't work.

[angelatc]

I think that my comments were slightly misconstrued. When I said it was ok, I meant (obviously) among their own age group. At that age, you aren't a child anymore. One of the problems is parents want to cling to their children's innocence rather than let them be who they want. We can debate the mental ramifications of having sex at 14 (which is the only real argument against it), but there is no denying nature. If we were supposed to start exploring sex at 18 we would develop them.

The strange social conservative phenomena in America eludes me.

Again, with the collectivism and social engineering. Go explore any fool thing you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

[Henry Rogue]

Wtf? No lesbian or sluts left behind. Is this really what schools have turned into?

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/school-forces-all-girls-to-lesbian-kiss/#xZumhmDvdtc7qxWx.99
But it's for the children. Those abusive, neglectful, exploitative bastards.

[dannno]

Right, what they need is a "mature" voice to instruct them and "guide" them. Right danno?

Ya, their parents are a good source for that.

But inevitably they are going to hear it from their peers and older siblings.

I'm against public schooling, I'm just trying to be realistic about the city kids who were in that room vs. how human sexuality is taught in college. Middle school kids from urban and suburban areas are generally very sexually charged in their language but bending in a different direction. They are more likely to call their peers derogatory terms like *** and such and also be more hateful and vulgar in their language. I knew a kid in middle school who they made fun of and called 'The Whipper', as in S&M, for no good reason that I knew of and wrote comic books about the character. So for these college students to come in and say, hey, you know what, if you have those feelings and you think you are gay then that is ok and if not then maybe you should be more tolerant of them. Honestly, that is a good message for those kids... NOT because it encourages kids with those feelings to be gay, but because it helps prevent the other kids from using that as leverage against their character, whether the person has those feelings or they are portrayed that way by the bully.

The hate and violence and anger and depression that stems from kids hating on each other at that age while they are confused and going through their own sexual development is a much better behavior to help stave off than the few kids who actually do have strong feelings for members of their own sex, who are inevitably going to choose their path in that regard at some point, they don't need to be treated like shit in the mean time.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Children don't "become" gay anymore than you "became" straight. If this ^ is what you think, I believe you could benefit from a class like this.

Alright, pucker up big boy.

[dannno]

What in the shit is pansexual? Sexual attraction to everything? bestiality?

.

First you have to understand the difference between gender and sex. Sex is your genitals and gender is masculine and feminine qualities.

Some people are male, but they have a lot of feminine qualities which makes them more gender neutral, or even feminine gender. Some women have a lot of masculine qualities. Some have even more - so they are either gender neutral or more masculine.

Some lesbians are attracted to feminine females, others are attracted to masculine females.

Some bisexual males are attracted to feminine males and perhaps both gender neutral and feminine females.

Some men are attracted to feminine females, some men are attracted to more gender neutral or females with more masculine qualities.

It's all a matter of sexual preference.

Pansexuals are attracted, potentially, to both men and women, men who are masculine, feminine, or more gender neutral, women who are masculine, feminine or more gender neutral.

It has nothing to do with bestiality.

[dannno]

All pansexual means is that someone is so horny they'll fuck anything.

No, that's not true at all. A pansexual might only be attracted to really attractive people, or hippie/newage type people, but don't care about their gender or sex. Or maybe they are attracted to tall people, or short people, or surfers or who knows.. they may very well be picky about a lot of things regarding their sexual partners, but gender and sex is not one of their primary concerns.

[Origanalist]

First you have to understand the difference between gender and sex. Sex is your genitals and gender is masculine and feminine qualities.

Some people are male, but they have a lot of feminine qualities which makes them more gender neutral, or even feminine gender. Some women have a lot of masculine qualities. Some have even more - so they are either gender neutral or more masculine.

Some lesbians are attracted to feminine females, others are attracted to masculine females.

Some bisexual males are attracted to feminine males and perhaps both gender neutral and feminine females.

Some men are attracted to feminine females, some men are attracted to more gender neutral or females with more masculine qualities.

It's all a matter of sexual preference.

Pansexuals are attracted, potentially, to both men and women, men who are masculine, feminine, or more gender neutral, women who are masculine, feminine or more gender neutral.

It has nothing to do with bestiality.

Oh tthtoppp it, you're making my head spin.

[dannno]

Okay, and when the cops 'ask' you to assume the position, and you don't... what usually happens? Homosexuals don't need your pity, they don't need you as an advocate, and they certainly don't need the flack they will catch for being associated with shit like this. Then maybe I will understand, shaking my FUCKING head. Do you always assume? Help me understand... you know what, fuck off. How about the 'straight' kids, wouldn't such an exercise affect their lives?

I'm pretty sure these kids were not forced to participate in the exercise. And no, straight kids would not be affected by this exercise at all, except it might make them act more nice toward gay peers, or not call their straight peer gay and try and bully them and try to ruin their life over it. But one thing it won't do is turn them gay.

If you really think that gay people are not harassed pretty much universally at this age, I don't know what planet you live on.

[jmdrake]

I remember middle school well, and believe me, this was more than likely NOT an introduction to this terminology. The kids are no worse for wear. If the parents have a problem with it they should have sent their kids to private school (or home school).

As a culture we should be less ashamed of sexuality. I'm not condoning having them attempt to kiss each other, but sexual terminology is OK to know. I am assuming that these kids were 12-14. A 14 year old having sex is perfectly acceptable. There is a reason humans develop at that age, if they weren't supposed to have sex then they wouldn't develop yet. Any parental opinion saying otherwise, frankly, is wrong.

Ummmm....WTF? The OP wasn't complaining about "terminology" (well with the exception of "slut" I suppose). Really, you want your son learning about "slut spotting"? I would think most feminists would be against this as well. That's probably why they threw a little "lesbian kissing" in there, to appease the feminazis. Don't trivialize the issue or attack parents for being justifiably incensed.

[jmdrake]

I'm pretty sure these kids were not forced to participate in the exercise. And no, straight kids would not be affected by this exercise at all, except it might make them act more nice toward gay peers, or not call their straight peer gay and try and bully them and try to ruin their life over it. But one thing it won't do is turn them gay.

If you really think that gay people are not harassed pretty much universally at this age, I don't know what planet you live on.

:rolleyes:

[jmdrake]

Children don't "become" gay anymore than you "became" straight. If this ^ is what you think, I believe you could benefit from a class like this.

You don't know what you're talking about. http://*****bychoice.com http://www.bilerico.com/2009/05/apa_admits_no_gay_gene_-_really.php

[dannno]

Kids aren't meant to go to school to become gay. They're highly impressionable and all this pro gay education will start making everybody think they're gay. It's gotten to the point they're not just being taught "Don't tease someone if they are attracted to the same gender," but are actually ENCOURAGED To be homosexuals, as per article saying girls were encouraged to kiss each other. I wonder why the boys weren't asked to too, huh? Maybe the people giving the presentation only get off to underage girls, fucking disgusting.

Are you scared that you might be gay or bi?

I had such strong desires for girls when I was in middle school, there is no way in hell that being bi or gay is something I would have been confused about or led toward. I don't understand why people think that you can just brainwash somebody into having different sexual preferences, they seem to be pretty engrained to me. That's what gay people I've known have always told me about their sexual desires (because growing up religious I was curious and asked), and I had the same experience, just in the opposite direction.

[dannno]

You don't know what you're talking about. http://*****bychoice.com http://www.bilerico.com/2009/05/apa_admits_no_gay_gene_-_really.php

Again, those are all bisexuals who have decided, for whatever reason, to switch to the opposite sex. Of course it is their 'choice', they are bi, that's the entire point of being bi. You are attracted to both sexes. Not everybody is bi. I'm not bi.

If they were gay, they wouldn't be attracted to members of the opposite sex and they wouldn't be able to switch.

[angelatc]

First you have to understand the difference between gender and sex. Sex is your genitals and gender is masculine and feminine qualities.

Some people are male, but they have a lot of feminine qualities which makes them more gender neutral, or even feminine gender. Some women have a lot of masculine qualities. Some have even more - so they are either gender neutral or more masculine.

Some lesbians are attracted to feminine females, others are attracted to masculine females.

Some bisexual males are attracted to feminine males and perhaps both gender neutral and feminine females.

Some men are attracted to feminine females, some men are attracted to more gender neutral or females with more masculine qualities.

It's all a matter of sexual preference.

Pansexuals are attracted, potentially, to both men and women, men who are masculine, feminine, or more gender neutral, women who are masculine, feminine or more gender neutral.

It has nothing to do with bestiality.


Sounds like an attempt to normalize the freaks. Just give it a name, and teach it in schools. There! Everybody is a pervert, so it's all ok. Now, close your eyes and just let it happen.

[tttppp]

Wtf? No lesbian or sluts left behind. Is this really what schools have turned into?

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/school-forces-all-girls-to-lesbian-kiss/#xZumhmDvdtc7qxWx.99

Where were these classes when I went to school?

[angelatc]

I'm pretty sure these kids were not forced to participate in the exercise. And no, straight kids would not be affected by this exercise at all, except it might make them act more nice toward gay peers, or not call their straight peer gay and try and bully them and try to ruin their life over it. But one thing it won't do is turn them gay.

If you really think that gay people are not harassed pretty much universally at this age, I don't know what planet you live on.


I live in a small town in the midwest, where we're the oddballs for not having a church. Nobody singles the gays out - everybody is persecuted in Middle School. But the gay kids apparently cry harder. Go figure.

My kids both seem to know who the *****s are in their school. (Apparently mascara helps.) And they hang with people who are like them, ignoring the rest. Some things never change.

This forced socialization crap is like herding cattle into a pen.

[Origanalist]

What about the grandsexuals? Shouldn't kiddies who are attracted to octogenarians be included as well?

[jmdrake]

Again, those are all bisexuals who have decided, for whatever reason, to switch to the opposite sex. Of course it is their 'choice', they are bi, that's the entire point of being bi. You are attracted to both sexes. Not everybody is bi. I'm not bi.

If they were gay, they wouldn't be attracted to members of the opposite sex and they wouldn't be able to switch.

Again, you ignored the second link. The APA has said straight up that there is no conclusive evidence as to what determines sexuality. So it's unscientific (and dishonest at this point) for you to pretend it's a settled issue. We do know for a fact that children who are molested tend to have screwed up sexuality later in life. It's a complex issue.

[tttppp]

College students were teaching it? That explains it.

That explains the part about spotting sluts.

[dannno]

Ummmm....WTF? The OP wasn't complaining about "terminology" (well with the exception of "slut" I suppose). Really, you want your son learning about "slut spotting"? I would think most feminists would be against this as well. That's probably why they threw a little "lesbian kissing" in there, to appease the feminazis. Don't trivialize the issue or attack parents for being justifiably incensed.

The article in the OP completely mis-represented the exercises, which I had a feeling of from the beginning, but I couldn't pin down what those exercises were exactly.

Thanks to some other posts in the thread which have clarified this topic for me, I have figured out that:

1) The lesbian kissing exercise did not include kissing, just asking, and was to show them how much more uncomfortable it is for gay people than straight people so they may learn to have some level of compassion for people who don't have the same sexual attractions that they do. Maybe their life is already hard enough and maybe they shouldn't try and make it harder by treating them like shit or shunning them.

2) The slut-spotting exercise was in fact to show that just because girls dress or act a certain way doesn't necessarily mean they want to have sex, or that they have a lot of sex. This is important for young men to know to help prevent incidents like Steubensville rape, no?

The word slut is a derogatory term that shouldn't be used and girls who wish to should be able to choose to engage in sexual relationships without being treated like shit or shunned by their peers, especially to point out the double standard that exists with boys.

[jmdrake]

From the OP article:

According to the parent, who wished to remain anonymous, boys were told to determine whether girls are promiscuous by the way they dress or the number of boys they date.

“We don’t judge people like that in our family,” she said. “We don’t call women names because of what they wear or who they date.”

Okay. I want to know from all libertines except dannno. Do you really support that? If this was some right wing Christian school teaching girls "Don't dress slutty" or their boys to "Stay away from girls like this because they might be sluts" this place would be up in arms.

[jmdrake]

The article in the OP completely mis-represented the exercises, which I had a feeling of from the beginning, but I couldn't pin down what those exercises were exactly.

Thanks to some other posts in the thread which have clarified this topic for me, I have figured out that:

1) The lesbian kissing exercise did not include kissing, just asking, and was to show them how much more uncomfortable it is for gay people than straight people so they may learn to have some level of compassion for people who don't have the same sexual attractions that they do. Maybe their life is already hard enough and maybe they shouldn't try and make it harder by treating them like shit or shunning them.


The article explained it just the way you did. And it's still just as wrong. But I'm sure you'd disagree. You're down with the whole guy calling in about his dogs things. I guess next kids should engage in exercises where they tell their classmates they had sex with Fido in order to have more compassion.



2) The slut-spotting exercise was in fact to show that just because girls dress or act a certain way doesn't necessarily mean they want to have sex, or that they have a lot of sex. This is important for young men to know to help prevent incidents like Steubensville rape, no?


IIRC you were defending the idea that it might not have been rape at all anyway. So....not sure if you're even being serious.



The word slut is a derogatory term that shouldn't be used and girls who wish to should be able to choose to engage in sexual relationships without being treated like shit or shunned by their peers, especially to point out the double standard that exists with boys.

Got it. Girls should feel okay to dress slutty. Guys shouldn't rape them...unless their passed out drunk and maybe said yes earlier...or....screw it. Follow a simple rule. Don't use sex as a recreational drug. Then there's no potential rape charges, no unwanted pregnancies, no disease etc. And yes, I know you disagree and you have the right to raise your kids that way. (Little Dannnos? God help us!) If anything, this just reinforces that we should abolish public schools.

[Antischism]

The ignorance in this thread is astounding to me. Then again, I'm not religious and I'm in my 20's so my view on these issues is most likely different from most posters here. I'm with Dannno on this topic.

[Origanalist]

The ignorance in this thread is astounding to me. Then again, I'm not religious and I'm in my 20's so my view on these issues is most likely different from most posters here. I'm with Dannno on this topic.

Ignorance? Lol.

[Athan]

And they call me crazy because of all muh gunz n gear. Why no NY school presentation on being a gear*****!?

[jmdrake]

The ignorance in this thread is astounding to me. Then again, I'm not religious and I'm in my 20's so my view on these issues is most likely different from most posters here. I'm with Dannno on this topic.

Still in your 20s? Good. There's still time for you to learn. The first thing you need to learn is that it's possible for people to have different opinions without either side being "ignorant". The fact is that nobody has definitely shown what forms human sexuality. The APA has admitted as such. So if anything it's "ignorant" to claim the issue is settled. For another, it's clear that the best think is not to have the government dictating the issue. Just a few weeks ago there was a mega-thread against a pro abstinence sex education program that supposedly included "slut shaming". Well this one includes "slut spotting" and somehow it's all good because it's coming from a liberal point of view? Ummm....okay. Just more BS from an out of control government. In a free market you should be able to choose the school that best reflects your values.

[Nirvikalpa]

Ummmm....WTF? The OP wasn't complaining about "terminology" (well with the exception of "slut" I suppose). Really, you want your son learning about "slut spotting"? I would think most feminists would be against this as well. That's probably why they threw a little "lesbian kissing" in there, to appease the feminazis. Don't trivialize the issue or attack parents for being justifiably incensed.

Excuse me, as resident feminazi, I am appalled (and totally not appeased). Take it back!

[dannno]

You're down with the whole guy calling in about his dogs things.

I thought it was funny as hell. As far as whether I'm 'down' with it, I think I wouldn't want to be friends with the guy, but I probably wouldn't call the cops on him and have him arrested, either.


jmdrake is referring to one of the funniest loveline episodes, ever:

http://www.lovelinetapes.com/shows/?id=94&h=YmU2YzkzNzY

[jmdrake]

I thought it was funny as hell. As far as whether I'm 'down' with it, I think I wouldn't want to be friends with the guy, but I probably wouldn't call the cops on him and have him arrested, either.


jmdrake is referring to one of the funniest loveline episodes, ever:

http://www.lovelinetapes.com/shows/?id=94&h=YmU2YzkzNzY

Okay. Let's go with what I think we agree on. I don't think the guy on that show should be arrested or beat up or spat on or in any other way mistreated. With me so far? Good. Now I don't think kids should have to go through some sort of exercise where they pretend to be a guy that likes sex with dogs just so that they can understand that such a person shouldn't be arrested, beat up, spat on or in any other way mistreated.

[jmdrake]

Excuse me, as resident feminazi, I am appalled (and totally not appeased). Take it back!

Yikes! Don't tie me up and beat me or throw me in that briar patch! :D Just to be clear, I don't think you have to be a right wingnut to think that there's something wrong with a "slut spotting" exercise.

[V3n]

You don't know what you're talking about.


The APA has said straight up that there is no conclusive evidence as to what determines sexuality. So it's unscientific (and dishonest at this point) for you to pretend it's a settled issue.

How old were you when you decided to be straight?

edit: then I got to the second page:


Still in your 20s? Good. There's still time for you to learn. The first thing you need to learn is that it's possible for people to have different opinions without either side being "ignorant". The fact is that nobody has definitely shown what forms human sexuality. The APA has admitted as such. So if anything it's "ignorant" to claim the issue is settled. For another, it's clear that the best think is not to have the government dictating the issue. Just a few weeks ago there was a mega-thread against a pro abstinence sex education program that supposedly included "slut shaming". Well this one includes "slut spotting" and somehow it's all good because it's coming from a liberal point of view? Ummm....okay. Just more BS from an out of control government. In a free market you should be able to choose the school that best reflects your values.

I'll agree with this.

[dannno]

IIRC you were defending the idea that it might not have been rape at all anyway. So....not sure if you're even being serious.

I actually thought they probably deserved some jail time because I think if a woman falls asleep and doesn't give express permission that you shouldn't have sexual contact with a person, especially one you're not dating or having that type of relationship with, while they are asleep, and they should have the right to use the law to seek justice. That doesn't mean they always should use the law to seek 'justice', if their intention was to have sex with these guys while inebriated then I don't see what the big deal was - until, that is, they took pictures and spread them around the social networks. Honestly, I think that is the only reason she brought charges against them. But she couldn't bring charges against them defaming her character so she did what she could and brought rape charges against them - and technically what they did was wrong.

However.

I don't personally think that these guys are dangerous or would have necessarily raped anybody else ever in the future - I think they were a victim of their own circumstance that they created where they hurt this girl's feelings so bad and she didn't know how to get back at them. I really don't think she gave a rats ass that the guy's finger ended up in her vagina, she's probably had a ton of guys fingers in her vagina while she's been inebriated, I think she was hurt by the fallout from the photos.




Got it. Girls should feel okay to dress slutty. Guys shouldn't rape them...unless their passed out drunk and maybe said yes earlier...or....screw it. Follow a simple rule. Don't use sex as a recreational drug. Then there's no potential rape charges, no unwanted pregnancies, no disease etc. And yes, I know you disagree and you have the right to raise your kids that way. (Little Dannnos? God help us!) If anything, this just reinforces that we should abolish public schools.

Sex is very complex and entails so many different types of energies and emotions that I don't think we will ever wrap our heads around it completely. But I do know that people will continue to 'use sex as a recreational drug' indefinitely, and we need to strive to figure out the best way to handle it so it is a positive energy force and not a negative one.

[jmdrake]

How old were you when you decided to be straight?

How old was I when I decided to be right handed? That doesn't mean being right handed is an immutable characteristic. How old was I when I decided to speak English? Really, that's the lamest argument on the planet.

[V3n]

How old was I when I decided to be right handed? That doesn't mean being right handed is an immutable characteristic. How old was I when I decided to speak English? Really, that's the lamest argument on the planet.

If you're right handed, and it gets injured, you can learn to be left handed. You can learn another language. Do you think you could honestly learn to love dick?

[jmdrake]

I actually thought they probably deserved some jail time because I think if a woman falls asleep and doesn't give express permission that you shouldn't have sexual contact with a person, especially one you're not dating or having that type of relationship with, while they are asleep, and they should have the right to use the law to seek justice. That doesn't mean they always should use the law to seek justice, if their intention was to have sex with these guys while inebriated then I don't see what the big deal was - until, that is, they took pictures and spread them around the social networks. Honestly, I think that is the only reason she brought charges against them. But she couldn't bring charges against them defaming her character so she did what she could and brought rape charges against them - and technically what they did was wrong.

However.

I don't personally think that these guys are dangerous or would have necessarily raped anybody else ever in the future - I think they were a victim of their own circumstance that they created where they hurt this girl's feelings so bad and she didn't know how to get back at them. I really don't think she gave a rats ass that the guy's finger ended up in her vagina, she's probably had a ton of guys fingers in her vagina while she's been inebriated, I think she was hurt by the fallout from the photos.


Okay. Thanks for clearing that up (I think). But it seems you've undermined your whole "slut spotting exercise could have prevented the Stuebbenville episode" point. Seems you decided that...maybe...she was a slut. So....the exercise could have helped because......?




Sex is very complex and entails so many different types of energies and emotions that I don't think we will ever wrap our heads around it completely. But I do know that people will continue to 'use sex as a recreational drug' indefinitely, and we need to strive to figure out the best way to handle it so it is a positive energy force and not a negative one.

Agreed. And since it is a complex topic it's best that the state not hand down a "cookie cutter" approach through our brainwashing factories that are called "public schools". And sure, some will use it as a recreational drug. Some won't. A lot of that will depend on parenting.

[jmdrake]

If you're right handed, and it gets injured, you can learn to be left handed. You can learn another language. Do you think you could honestly learn to love dick?

That happens in prison all the time. Edit: And this is a silly game you are playing. I would not want to be a cannibal either. I'm appalled at the idea. That doesn't mean that I'm incapable of eating human flesh.

[V3n]

That happens in prison all the time. Edit: And this is a silly game you are playing. I would not want to be a cannibal either. I'm appalled at the idea. That doesn't mean that I'm incapable of eating human flesh.

Meh, and I'm tired of playing too. I wrote what I wrote above before I had read the second page of posts. I'd like to agree with you on what I agree with, and agree to disagree on the other points.

[moostraks]

If you're right handed, and it gets injured, you can learn to be left handed. You can learn another language. Do you think you could honestly learn to love dick?

Have you ever raised a teenager? NO....being a teenager does not count as raising one. They are contrarians built with an urge to do the exact opposite of what their parents request of them. It serves to help sever the ties of childhood to adulthood and foster their independence. That does not mean they inherit some god given wisdom and everything contrary to parental advice is wise or safe to do.

So you put college age mentors in their telling them about how their parents can't stop them and make all the crap they watch on tv seem acceptable when they are flooded with hormones they don't have the slightest idea how to control. It is peer pressuring and the psychologists at the school know this. So after this little teaching experiment, did they have to raise up a little junior for which they were on call for from their sexual promiscuity? Or did they get a simulated experience of having an abortion??? Watch any videos on abortions performed?

This was a poor decision on the part of management and if they thought it was such a good idea why did they not inform the parents? Two options on that one imo, they felt it was their right to do what they please as the children are under their control or that the parents would complain and it was more important that this was taught (which goes back to reason 1). Thing is that a middle schooler who takes off with this information and suffers ill consequences is the parents responsibility. Of course social services is always there to lend a hand for the unruliness inspired by these types of indoctrination exercises...

[dannno]

Okay. Thanks for clearing that up (I think). But it seems you've undermined your whole "slut spotting exercise could have prevented the Stuebbenville episode" point. Seems you decided that...maybe...she was a slut. So....the exercise could have helped because......?

Well you make a good point in that this girl had a past history of being promiscuous so this lesson may not have helped since they already knew based on her past actions - except that they may have made the point that just because a girl has had a lot of sex doesn't mean she wants to have sex right now with ___________.... except that her actions did appear that she wanted such...however I guess I was just using Steubensville as a generic story of guys thinking it is ok to 'do what they want with sluts' and how this lesson would may help them respect women who choose to make the decision to be sexual a little more.

I mean, I think you'd disagree about 'respecting' this girl's decision to pass out drunk and have sex with multiple guys, but I mean respect as far as her peers respecting her person and not disparaging her personally.

[Nirvikalpa]

It was assumed she had a history of being promiscuous - from the media. Her actions did appear she wanted such... what?

Remind me to never drink at a libertarian function ever again.

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Grown men calling 12-16 year old girls "sluts" is never entertaining.
Grown women calling 12-16 year old girls "sluts" is never entertaining.

"Slut shaming" is wrong (for both sexes). Shaming a man and woman for wanting to remain a virgin until marriage is also wrong.

A woman dressing provocatively =/= her losing ownership of her body, and her explicitly giving you consent to hurt her/touch her/etc.
A 15 year old being curious about sex and his/her body does not make them a slut.

We're sexual beings and we are intimate with our reproductive organs starting in infancy (come on parents, you've never had your little boy play with himself? Freud's psychosexual stages have some merit...). If you ever worked in a daycare, or had your own children, you'd see just how curious kids are with their bodies...

Stifling it isn't helping either. I've seen parents treat their children like dogs. "No" isn't working. "That's disgusting!" isn't working, either.

When parents refuse to sit their children down and have the talk with them, they are opening the door for the state to do so. It's that simple. The biology of sex is amazing. What's more amazing is that in this culture where information is at your fingertips, I have been asked in person and PMd questions about sex by 19-28 year olds, and all tend to stem from a shameful standpoint - "I don't know if this is normal or not, but..." Why do adults still not understand the reproductive system and are still so ashamed of themselves?

Makes me so sad.

[devil21]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uscmRI9ZrE

[dannno]

It was assumed she had a history of being promiscuous - from the media. Her actions did appear she wanted such... what?

I was basing that off of witness testimony by her friends.

[Nirvikalpa]

I was basing that off of witness testimony by her friends.

Her friends sound like wonderful people...

[angelatc]

I mean, I think you'd disagree about 'respecting' this girl's decision to pass out drunk and have sex with multiple guys, but I mean respect as far as her peers respecting her person and not disparaging her personally.

So she passed out drunk then decided to have sex? What?

[PierzStyx]

That part is certainly true.

Only because parents are abrogating their position as the adult.

You are not your child's best friend.
You are not their buddy.
They are not your equal.
You are their parent.
It is to stop them from making stupid decisions like having underage, pre-marital sex.
If you are a meanie, or a "bully", or "to strict", if they "hate you", to bad. Suck it up. Do what is right. They may hate it now, but I guarantee 20 years from now they will thank you.

[angelatc]

Her friends sound like wonderful people...

They've been with her through this whole thing...

[dannno]

So she passed out drunk then decided to have sex? What?

No, but according to her friends that was her intention, she was planning on getting really drunk and then having sex with multiple guys. She just happened to fall asleep.

[angelatc]

No, but according to her friends that was her intention, she was planning on getting really drunk and then having sex with multiple guys. She just happened to fall asleep.

I see. So based on hearsay, those guys were totally within their rights. You're also on board with hate crime legislation, then, I presume?

[dannno]

I see. So based on hearsay, those guys were totally within their rights. You're also on board with hate crime legislation, then, I presume?

Actually I said they should go to jail on principle - to protect the rights of other women and not create a dangerous precedent - even if she was using the rape charge because it was the only way to get back at them for publishing all those photos of her on social networks and she didn't actually care that they had inserted a finger into her vagina.

But I don't think these guys are dangerous or likely to rape in the future, I think their biggest mistake was publishing the photos, otherwise they would probably never had charges brought up.

[WhistlinDave]

It was assumed she had a history of being promiscuous - from the media. Her actions did appear she wanted such... what?

Remind me to never drink at a libertarian function ever again.

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Grown men calling 12-16 year old girls "sluts" is never entertaining.
Grown women calling 12-16 year old girls "sluts" is never entertaining.

"Slut shaming" is wrong (for both sexes). Shaming a man and woman for wanting to remain a virgin until marriage is also wrong.

A woman dressing provocatively =/= her losing ownership of her body, and her explicitly giving you consent to hurt her/touch her/etc.
A 15 year old being curious about sex and his/her body does not make them a slut.

We're sexual beings and we are intimate with our reproductive organs starting in infancy (come on parents, you've never had your little boy play with himself? Freud's psychosexual stages have some merit...). If you ever worked in a daycare, or had your own children, you'd see just how curious kids are with their bodies...

Stifling it isn't helping either. I've seen parents treat their children like dogs. "No" isn't working. "That's disgusting!" isn't working, either.

When parents refuse to sit their children down and have the talk with them, they are opening the door for the state to do so. It's that simple. The biology of sex is amazing. What's more amazing is that in this culture where information is at your fingertips, I have been asked in person and PMd questions about sex by 19-28 year olds, and all tend to stem from a shameful standpoint - "I don't know if this is normal or not, but..." Why do adults still not understand the reproductive system and are still so ashamed of themselves?

Makes me so sad.

Most excellent post.

In my opinion, most of the sexual repression and/or shame stems from religion. And having been raised Catholic, I speak from experience. I don't want to derail the thread or anything, so I almost hesitate to post this.

Really the biggest issue is, just like all other freedoms, there are consequences to our decisions and people need to take responsibility for those decisions and realize the impact they have on others. Especially when parenting.

I fully support the right of parents to opt their kids out of sex ed if they find the curriculum unacceptable. I also support the right of parents to teach their kids they are going to burn in hell for eternity if they explore their sexuality. That is a parent's right.

But parents must realize they are not doing their kids any favor by teaching them this shameful attitude about human nature. It isn't healthy, and it isn't going to lead to your child making wise decisions if you shoot for unrealistic expectations, and fail to arm your kid with real knowledge and choices to prevent some of the negative consequences of heeding nature's call. Because most of them will heed nature's call, no matter what you try to do.

Reminds me a little of the old joke about two parents discussing their kids' exploits.

"I'm sure glad I have a boy."

"Why? You've got to worry about what he does with that dick. I'm glad I have a girl instead."

"Really? I just have to worry about one dick. You have to worry about every dick in the neighborhood."

[jmdrake]

Eg gads! I restarted the "drunk raped girl" wars! Everyone please stop while there's still time! My apologies!

[jmdrake]

Have you ever raised a teenager? NO....being a teenager does not count as raising one. They are contrarians built with an urge to do the exact opposite of what their parents request of them. It serves to help sever the ties of childhood to adulthood and foster their independence. That does not mean they inherit some god given wisdom and everything contrary to parental advice is wise or safe to do.

So you put college age mentors in their telling them about how their parents can't stop them and make all the crap they watch on tv seem acceptable when they are flooded with hormones they don't have the slightest idea how to control. It is peer pressuring and the psychologists at the school know this. So after this little teaching experiment, did they have to raise up a little junior for which they were on call for from their sexual promiscuity? Or did they get a simulated experience of having an abortion??? Watch any videos on abortions performed?

This was a poor decision on the part of management and if they thought it was such a good idea why did they not inform the parents? Two options on that one imo, they felt it was their right to do what they please as the children are under their control or that the parents would complain and it was more important that this was taught (which goes back to reason 1). Thing is that a middle schooler who takes off with this information and suffers ill consequences is the parents responsibility. Of course social services is always there to lend a hand for the unruliness inspired by these types of indoctrination exercises...

Great posts! Okay folks. Here's the scenario. Instead the "teachers" had the kiddies play terrorist / Gitmo interrogator, again without parents permission. They're supposed to simulate torture and/or killing infidels. Okay? Not okay?

[Nirvikalpa]

Eg gads! I restarted the "drunk raped girl" wars! Everyone please stop while there's still time! My apologies!

I think you deserve to get banned just for that :p

[WhistlinDave]

Great posts! Okay folks. Here's the scenario. Instead the "teachers" had the kiddies play terrorist / Gitmo interrogator, again without parents permission. They're supposed to simulate torture and/or killing infidels. Okay? Not okay?

Were lesbian kisses involved in this torture?

[jmdrake]

Were lesbian kisses involved in this torture?

You jest, but I recall the Gitmo torture involved menstruating prostitutes.

[jmdrake]

It was assumed she had a history of being promiscuous - from the media. Her actions did appear she wanted such... what?

Remind me to never drink at a libertarian function ever again.

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Grown men calling 12-16 year old girls "sluts" is never entertaining.
Grown women calling 12-16 year old girls "sluts" is never entertaining.

"Slut shaming" is wrong (for both sexes). Shaming a man and woman for wanting to remain a virgin until marriage is also wrong.

A woman dressing provocatively =/= her losing ownership of her body, and her explicitly giving you consent to hurt her/touch her/etc.
A 15 year old being curious about sex and his/her body does not make them a slut.

We're sexual beings and we are intimate with our reproductive organs starting in infancy (come on parents, you've never had your little boy play with himself? Freud's psychosexual stages have some merit...). If you ever worked in a daycare, or had your own children, you'd see just how curious kids are with their bodies...

Stifling it isn't helping either. I've seen parents treat their children like dogs. "No" isn't working. "That's disgusting!" isn't working, either.

When parents refuse to sit their children down and have the talk with them, they are opening the door for the state to do so. It's that simple. The biology of sex is amazing. What's more amazing is that in this culture where information is at your fingertips, I have been asked in person and PMd questions about sex by 19-28 year olds, and all tend to stem from a shameful standpoint - "I don't know if this is normal or not, but..." Why do adults still not understand the reproductive system and are still so ashamed of themselves?

Makes me so sad.

I want to say that I totally agree especially with that last part. I started having serious talks with my sons about a year ago. Even went out and bought a book. And I've been open to them about my own failings in this area....which makes this all....well...interesting.

[WhistlinDave]

You jest, but I recall the Gitmo torture involved menstruating prostitutes.

That's more than I ever wanted to know about torture... Blech!!

To your original question, I think for me it would depend on the context, just like the sex stuff. It would be OK with me if your scenario was part of an exercise in teaching kids why we should not be torturing people and why we're supposed to have due process of law for accused criminals. (And assuming there was no actual harm done, just simulated situations.)

[Nirvikalpa]

You jest, but I recall the Gitmo torture involved menstruating prostitutes.

*sigh* I really wish this whole stigma of a woman being "unclean" during menstruation would just... die. There's a reason women have a mensus cycle opposed to an estrous cycle like nearly all other mammals... men aren't supposed to know when we are receptive and when we're not, because we are one of the only species on the planet that can/want to engage in sexual relations at any point and time during the cycle.

I understand why they did it though (in regards to religious intimidation, probably).

/offtopic rant.

[amy31416]

I can't figure out anymore if being called a slut is supposed to be a good or bad thing. I thought the liberals were trying to use it as an "empowering" title for a while there...so when the phrase "slut shaming" came out--I just got more confused.

Beyond that, I can't imagine the mindset of the "teacher" who sat down and came up with this curriculum, then carried it out using middle schoolers.

[AFPVet]

When I was in sex education class in eighth grade, we were shown a cheap 70s porno, woman giving birth, use of contraception, and masturbation. What ever happened to the good ole days lol.

[dannno]

I can't figure out anymore if being called a slut is supposed to be a good or bad thing. I thought the liberals were trying to use it as an "empowering" title for a while there...so when the phrase "slut shaming" came out--I just got more confused.

It was never an empowering title, but they wanted women to feel empowered to be able to go out and be promiscuous if that is what they desired without getting shamed by society for it while their male counterparts are applauded.

They aren't afraid to use the word in educating people, but when they say slut shaming they mean to discourage the shaming of women who are promiscuous and then will use that time to educate people not to use the word slut in their interpersonal lives.



Beyond that, I can't imagine the mindset of the "teacher" who sat down and came up with this curriculum, then carried it out using middle schoolers.

It was college students that they brought in.

[dannno]

*sigh* I really wish this whole stigma of a woman being "unclean" during menstruation would just... die.

Ya well I don't mind having sex with my gf when she's on her period. I'm kinda curious how exactly they tortured them.

[asurfaholic]

So what is the proper term for a girl who wears very revealing clothes and is obviously into different people all the time?

If slut is offensive to the sluts, how can I possibly describe a slut?

[dannno]

So what is the proper term for a girl who wears very revealing clothes and is obviously into different people all the time?

If slut is offensive to the sluts, how can I possibly describe a slut?

Sexy, promiscuous, generous....

[asurfaholic]

Sexy, promiscuous, generous....

Ok that works for me, a mid 20s dude.

But what's wrong with slut? You said 3 words. I want 1.



Btw, I'm not really being serious. This is not an issue i will lose sleep over

[dannno]

Ok that works for me, a mid 20s dude.

But what's wrong with slut? You said 3 words. I want 1.



Btw, I'm not really being serious. This is not an issue i will lose sleep over


I think it's not just the fact that it became a derogatory word, but also that it just sounds bad. Like 'you use the slit in your vagina so much you're a slut' or something?

But ya the three words I used, I think, would describe various types of 'sluts' more accurately.

Some girls are just really sexy and they have strong sex drives and they've gotten a lot of sexual attention their whole lives, they've learned to deal with it and adjust to it well and so they are just straight sexy and have a lot of sex and don't necessarily want to be pinned down to one guy, or haven't found him yet.

Then there are girls who are simply promiscuous, they just enjoy sex and may be doing it for slightly more selfish reasons, not that there is necessarily anything wrong with that.

Then there are girls who just enjoy giving guys sexual attention and like being generous with their sexuality. They do it more for the reaction they get and the creation of positive energy.

[I<3Liberty]

I just feel like safe sex (and health practices in general), need to be taught off a solid moral framework. They'd be better off teaching virtue ethics and empowering students to do the pondering themselves. Let the parents educate as they wish and keep in mind that this is the 21st century... most tween and teens have already had a chat with "Uncle Google." The internet has some great safe sex guides and information on STDs and all that. It's also a lot less awkward than hearing it from a teacher or parent. Not sure about everyone else, but it's still such a taboo topic where I grew up.

[bolil]

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT.

Anyone that likes to play spot a slut can spot an asshole in the nearest mirror. Let us not stop at "pansexual" as described by Danno. Lets bring it full circle. Pederasts? Natural. Dog fuckers? Natural. Child fuckers? Natural. Vengeance? Natural. Pardonez moi, si vous plait, parce que Je n'ai jamias pas de pateince pour un pervert.

[asurfaholic]

I think it's not just the fact that it became a derogatory word, but also that it just sounds bad. Like 'you use the slit in your vagina so much you're a slut' or something?

But ya the three words I used, I think, would describe various types of 'sluts' more accurately.

Some girls are just really sexy and they have strong sex drives and they've gotten a lot of sexual attention their whole lives, they've learned to deal with it and adjust to it well and so they are just straight sexy and have a lot of sex and don't necessarily want to be pinned down to one guy, or haven't found him yet.

Then there are girls who are simply promiscuous, they just enjoy sex and may be doing it for slightly more selfish reasons, not that there is necessarily anything wrong with that.

Then there are girls who just enjoy giving guys sexual attention and like being generous with their sexuality. They do it more for the reaction they get and the creation of positive energy.

I owe you a big + rep for this.

[KrokHead]

Whats next? legalize Child porn? adult porn to kids?

Hey a lot of people on this message board support that!

The whole throwing sex sex sex in people's faces hypersexualizes our culture. Parents should just grow a pair and teach their kids about sex.

"If you get pregnant, there's the door."

"You get some chick pregnant, there's the door."

[MisfitToy]

One of the happiest days of my life was when I graduated HS. I didn't dislike the classes or the teachers (I graduated with honors), it's that I couldn't stand the bs of social conformity that only children subject themselves and each other over the most irrelevant of things. You had to worry about a full spectrum of stupid shit that resulted in life-changing episodes, like trying to explain to the parents why I needed "these" jeans, that as a full fledged adult I can't believe I wasted a worry about.
Sex Ed in my school (my parents had to sign a consent for it) consisted of body mechanics, reproduction, and the evils of STDs. No different then math, science, or english classes, it in no way attempted to manipulate your personal application of the information (although the std portion had a scare aspect to it). Kids are socially impressionable and my main objective to the exercise presented here is the sense of social engineering. It goes beyond teaching and is defining how to apply knowledge, and that is engineering which is the fundamental basis of parenting.

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2012-03-03/1330794858-1330789785016.jpg

Actually, 14 seems like about the right age for this sort of thing, but I have a problem w/ the progressive agenda going on here.

As to everyone bashing letting "college students" near the kids, it's called student teaching. If you are an education major, you have to do hundreds of hours of this. In most schools in the US, if you do not walk, talk and cluck the progressive line, you will never graduate. Your teachers will find a reason to fail you!

-t

[Nirvikalpa]

So what is the proper term for a girl who wears very revealing clothes and is obviously into different people all the time?

If slut is offensive to the sluts, how can I possibly describe a slut?

A human controlling her own destiny?

[devil21]

Meanwhile, a 2nd grade teacher is suspended for doing a class on gardening and having the audacity to bring "weapons of the garden" into the classroom.

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/teacher-suspended-for-showing-gardening-tools-to-class/



Doug Bartlett, a veteran teacher with an upstanding record of 17 years, has filed a lawsuit against the school district of Chicago for suspending him without pay after giving a lesson on gardening tools to his second grade students.

The incident took place on August 8, 2011 at Washington Irving Elementary School.

Mr. Bartlett recently filed suit on April 17, 2013 saying that he suffered humiliation and embarrassment as a result of his reprimand.

The “hazardous” tools in question were pliers, screwdrivers and wrenches that only the teacher handled. The tools were kept in a locked toolbox high on a shelf out of reach before and after the gardening lesson.

The district says that Mr. Bartlett exhibited negligence in supervising the children and for “possessing, carrying, storing, or using a weapon”. He was subsequently suspended without pay for 4 days.

Up is down, inside is outside, black is white and a dog is a cat. WTF is going on??

[heavenlyboy34]

Meanwhile, a 2nd grade teacher is suspended for doing a class on gardening and having the audacity to bring "weapons of the garden" into the classroom.

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/teacher-suspended-for-showing-gardening-tools-to-class/



Up is down, inside is outside, black is white and a dog is a cat. WTF is going on??
Welcome to 1984, comrade.

[dannno]

A human controlling her own destiny?

Have you checked out the HBO show Girls yet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls_%28TV_series%29

[KurtBoyer25L]

Sounds more chill than the middle school I went to, that's for sure.

It's very sex-negative & theocratic to be paranoid about this stuff. If sex is THAT evil for kids, it's gotta be partially evil for adults too, so we should all stop doing it and thus end the human race if we wanna be happy, no?

[KurtBoyer25L]

Have you checked out the HBO show Girls yet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls_%28TV_series%29

I'm not sure what is has to do with sex education for tweens (came to this thread late), but I do like the show.

[Nobexliberty]

Okay i have to revive this old thread.
In the 18th century sex outside marrige was a horrible thing to happen, yes sex outside marrige happened but it was engaged couples who did it.
In some cities sex outside marrige was very common but most people lived in the puritarian rural areas.Until the 1920s nothing changhed as the roaring 20s saw some increase in sex outside marrige but it went back to the puritarian past as teh gerat depression happened. Then in the late forties till mid sixties sex outside marrige was not really shunned if they were a couple who were ready to raise a child.

But then in the mid sixties sex outside marrige or couples was not only acceptable but expected in society. The common std's could be cured with some antibiotica and the pill for unmarried people made it riskfree. But all the sex caused herpes and aids outbreaks who made society afraid more causes of sex. Then became condoms popular and safe sex was enngoured. It started as letting couples have some fun in the 50s and now we are a moral breakdown.

Same with clothes, before 1920s you had to dress modestly. Then it was allowed to reveal more until the depression set in.After world war 2 women wore a little less to atract soldiers coming home but modest enough not to be seen as whores.It became normal to be a little more revealing with your clothing untill the mid sixties.
Then with the big sexual revolution happend and loose clothing became acceptable for adults. Then it spread to kids and now we have middle school and high school girls dressing as whores.

[Tinnuhana]

Sex Ed in my school (my parents had to sign a consent for it) consisted of body mechanics, reproduction, and the evils of STDs. No different then math, science, or english classes, it in no way attempted to manipulate your personal application of the information (although the std portion had a scare aspect to it). Kids are socially impressionable and my main objective to the exercise presented here is the sense of social engineering. It goes beyond teaching and is defining how to apply knowledge, and that is engineering which is the fundamental basis of parenting.

When teaching health to 8th graders several years ago, I had to do a "sex ed" unit. I sent the parents a letter saying what would be covered each day, along with a list of any special speakers. Parents could choose to opt out of one or more parts.
And yet, one parent still called admin to complain about me teaching their daughter "how to get pregnant" because a nurse from family advocacy came to class with a couple of empathy bellies. When asked about this, I replied, "That's funny. The most common remark I get from girls following wearing one of those for 10 minutes is, 'I'm adopting!'" (After spending just several minutes picking markers up off the floor, trying to lie down comfortably, and other things their mothers had to endure when they were pregnant, they understood why a person should be full-grown at the very least before becoming pregnant. No moralizing; just the facts.)
Most of the boys who tried the empathy belly just wanted to go to the bathroom after removing it since it simulated the pressure a baby puts on the bladder.

[PaulC]

Meanwhile, a 2nd grade teacher is suspended for doing a class on gardening and having the audacity to bring "weapons of the garden" into the classroom.

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/teacher-suspended-for-showing-gardening-tools-to-class/



Up is down, inside is outside, black is white and a dog is a cat. WTF is going on??

No kidding. Things really have turned wonky.

All I remember from middle school is math, history, shop...

[LibertyEagle]

Some girls are just really sexy and they have strong sex drives and they've gotten a lot of sexual attention their whole lives, they've learned to deal with it and adjust to it well and so they are just straight sexy and have a lot of sex and don't necessarily want to be pinned down to one guy, or haven't found him yet.

Then there are girls who are simply promiscuous, they just enjoy sex and may be doing it for slightly more selfish reasons, not that there is necessarily anything wrong with that.

Then there are girls who just enjoy giving guys sexual attention and like being generous with their sexuality. They do it more for the reaction they get and the creation of positive energy.

You have just described a SLUT.

[Athan]

Wtf? No lesbian or sluts left behind. Is this really what schools have turned into?

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/school-forces-all-girls-to-lesbian-kiss/#xZumhmDvdtc7qxWx.99

Department of Education everyone. Give them a round of applause!

[heavenlyboy34]

No kidding. Things really have turned wonky.

All I remember from middle school is math, history, shop...
I remember gym and home ec best. Ms. Wilson was probably the most beautiful gym teacher evarrr. :D