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SwordOfShannarah
11-25-2007, 09:36 AM
http://www.RudysReadingList.com

Hey guys- I've been doing some research (looking at the past news articles that cover Ron Paul donation amounts) and the media has been reporting with a mention of the 12 million dollar mark for some time now. Almost every time they mention November 5th (or anything else about RP's money) there is a further mention of something like, "and he hopes to break $12 million for the quarter".

I've been looking and I've found a TON of links in just the first few pages.. here is a list but please remember I'm just getting started (if you want to see more for yourself now google news "ron paul 4th quarter" - or click here http://news.google.com/news?q=ron+paul+4th+quarter&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=xNy&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=news_result&resnum=1&ct=title)..

November 25th

http://www.pr-usa.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=43563&Itemid=88
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2007/11/25/2007-11-25_campaign_takeout.html



November 24th

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2007/11/ron_paul_says_he_will_raise_mo.html
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2007/11/24/9-million-in-two-months/
http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation/story/375333.html
http://www.star-telegram.com/elections/story/321926.html
http://leftword.blogdig.net/archives/articles/November2007/24/Ron_Paul_Predicts_More_than__12_Million_for_4th_Qu arter.html

November 23rd

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=axM7t8OfWxFg&refer=home
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=51757
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/11/24/thompson_hits_giuliani_on_nyc_references/
http://www.sacbee.com/110/story/509711.html
http://lawfuel.com/show-release.asp?ID=16236

November 22nd

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/hunt1.html

November 21st

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=51679&fb=1
http://www.gambling911.com/Mitt-Romney-Mike%20Huckabee-Ron-Paul-112207.html

November 20th

http://www.gambling911.com/Ron-Paul-112007.html

November 19th

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/017020.html

November 13th

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-1113ronpaulnov13,1,4515385.story
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/11/ron-pauls-campa.html
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/11/ron_paul_probably_a_risk_he_co.html

November 12th

http://blog.nj.com/njv_murray_sabrin/2007/11/ten_little_indians.html

November 8th

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1108/p02s01-uspo.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/mason/5287244.html

November 6th

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/11/ron_pauls_money_bomb_records_a.html
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=27265&cat=5
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/11/06/post_184.html

November 5th

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2007/11/05/post_179.html
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hyQLduiFMFTNmeUdgpf5cMvLi6awD8SNV5Q02
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/11/05/448871.aspx
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2007/11/paul-fundraisin.html
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=27166&cat=5
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/11/ron_paul_raises_more_than_2m_t.php

November 1st

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/11/01/slowly-but-surely-ron-paul-continues-the-money-hunt/

October 26th

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/10/26/432850.aspx

October 3rd

http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/paul-raises-5-million-in-third-quarter-2007-10-03.html

No Date

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2007/11/23/paul_expects_big_fourth_quarter.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/23/ron-paul-expecting-big-fo_n_73916.html
http://www.alternet.org/module/email/?storyID=68733&type=wire
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2007/11/23/paul_expects_big_fourth_quarter.html

So this indicates the media is pretty fixated on Ron Paul's $12 million dollar goal. That's a guarantee that if we break $12 million on the 30th we're going to get a lot of attention. There are also articles coming out now saying Ron Paul raised $9 million in two months.. they would go crazy with $12 million in two months. That's $6 million a month!!

If we can break the $12 million mark RudysReadingList.com will get a ton of attention, and of course we'll make sure the site prominently displays (and I mean right up top and in their face) the TeaParty07.com drive. Also RudysReadingList.com will again challenge the MSM's propaganda on the war.

This will be the second time we're in the news for fund raising totals, and by funneling the additional traffic and exposure into TeaParty07.com we will help guarantee its success. When TeaParty07.com succeeds we will have made MSM news three times in a row. And then we'll get another round of MSM exposure at the end of the month when they announce his total end of quarter amounts. Keep in mind if we clear $12 million this month every single dollar we raise will be beating our goal all month long. That adds power to every donation no matter when it is made- it will be like running up the score! We all know that marketing experts say you have to repeat a message about 7 or 8 times to start gaining traction so we need to create every MSM opportunity we can.

If we don't give on the 30th (about 2.8 million to break $12 million) then we will instead both break $12 million and more on December 16th. That means we will have lost a chance for that much needed MSM repetition- (i.e. the breaking of $12 million will be a part of the TeaParty drive and can't be used on it's own for MSM exposure).

Anyway just some thoughts. I'm still finding more links to prove the point.. which is we need repetition in the MSM. Breaking $12 million is the way to do it. And just think- we'll gain all of these MSM advantages before we even consider it means the campaign has more money NOW to do some of that repetitive marketing that is so crucial.

Please make your pledges at http://www.RudysReadingList.com

AlexMerced
11-25-2007, 10:14 AM
yep I agree we hit the 12 mil goal with 30 days left to go, the media will care, plus it's not a huge amount so it'll still leave us a lot of room to save for the teaparty and the media attention from hitting the goal should increase the momentum as well.

If you have doubts, just watch bloomberg interview, and out numbers in SC and NV

Wayne Hammond
11-25-2007, 10:16 AM
I agree - reaching the $12 million mark one month early would get us a very needed boost in both cash & coverage.

The websites are now in place and need little additional attention (other than the www.RightsRally07.com site, which can wait until after Nov 30th)...

Trevor, if you could switch gears and do all within your power to create media attention, I think that is what you should focus on now. Regardless of how some here might view those efforts (mistakenly thinking that you're in it for the limelight), I think it's time to capitalize on your popularity in the media (they see you as the genius behind Nov 5 - and most would welcome an interview with you).

You come across well on radio. If you do score a TV interview, you may want to wear something halfway conservative (perhaps a dress shirt and tie). For what it's worth, since we are trying to win the Republican primaries, the core of that party responds well to those who "look the part". Take a look at all the MSM pundits - they all wear dark or conservative suits and ties.

When you write up your more official summary, although it should go here in this sub-forum, if there is any way we can get that posted on the Grassroots Central forum, that would help get more attention from the ranks.


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inibo
11-25-2007, 10:17 AM
yep I agree we hit the 12 mil goal with 30 days left to go, the media will care, plus it's not a huge amount so it'll still leave us a lot of room to save for the teaparty and the media attention from hitting the goal should increase the momentum as well.

If you have doubts, just watch bloomberg interview, and out numbers in SC and NV

Well, I for one will be donating both days, probably $200 for each if I can swing it.

SwordOfShannarah
11-25-2007, 10:19 AM
Here is that video Alex was talking about..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUO9r36bVsQ

it's been on the boards before- the opening line is about the 12 million dollar goal.

me3
11-25-2007, 10:24 AM
Trevor, I am trying to call in some markers from friends and get a traffic campaign going.

If you can let us know what you need, we'll do our best to help.

First $12 million, then $20 million. December will be the month of Revolution.

SwordOfShannarah
11-25-2007, 10:28 AM
I agree - reaching the $12 million mark one month early would get us a very needed boost in both cash & coverage.

The websites are now in place and need little additional attention (other than the www.RightsRally07.com site, which can wait until after Nov 30th)...

Trevor, if you could switch gears and do all within your power to create media attention, I think that is what you should focus on now. Regardless of how some here might view those efforts (mistakenly thinking that you're in it for the limelight), I think it's time to capitalize on your popularity in the media (they see you as the genius behind Nov 5 - and most would welcome an interview with you).

You come across well on radio. If you do score a TV interview, you may want to wear something halfway conservative (perhaps a dress shirt and tie). For what it's worth, since we are trying to win the Republican primaries, the core of that party responds well to those who "look the part". Take a look at all the MSM pundits - they all wear dark or conservative suits and ties.

When you write up your more official summary, although it should go here in this sub-forum, if there is any way we can get that posted on the Grassroots Central forum, that would help get more attention from the ranks.


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Great points Wayne. Today I'm getting a hair cut, some new clothes and buying the book "Blowback". I've looked over reviews and notes for most of RudysReadingList but it will be good for me to have the info straight from the source and fresh in my mind. :)

Yes that is my focus this week. I saved all the incoming emails from the media and I'll be calling on all of them. I'll push both the Nov 30th and TeaPart07 drives but with more focus on Nov 30th. Then after the 30th the TeaParty07 can be revisited with a reflected off the Nov 30th numbers. If we pull through we can really knock this thing out of the park.

Original_Intent
11-25-2007, 10:48 AM
Here is that video Alex was talking about..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUO9r36bVsQ

it's been on the boards before- the opening line is about the 12 million dollar goal.

That video is more of an argument for Dec 16th than it is to break 12 million on the 30th.

Thank heavens that people have ignored the call for "$300,000/day for ten days" and I hope people do NOT shoot for $12 million on the 30th because that is at least $2 million above our regular donation rate that could have gone to the TeaParty.

I think $1 million on the 30th is a good goal.

There is no question in my mind that breaking the $12 million goal a month early will elicit some media coverage, but it is not going to be big news like November 5th was and like Dec 16th can be. I see brief mentions but I do not see interviews, I do not see media excitement or the average American caring much. " politician met his quarterly fundraising goal a month early. woohoo." is the reception I would expect.

Raising $10 million on one day, which we were well on track to achieving before "Bydlak's bomb-breaker" would be huge and is just the type of sensationalist attention grabbing event that would get Ron Paul invaluable media coverage just a few weeks before the primaries, and I think it is a poor trade off to lose that for an additional 20% ad buys in 4 early primary states, and what I believe will be brief media mentions that most Americans will not care the least about.

I hope that whatever will get Ron Paul elected is what happens. None of us can say with certainty what all of the consequences will be, and I certainly don't claim to. It may be that breaking $12 million, if it happens on the 30th, will get big media attention and encourage even more people to donate on the Tea Party. If the 30th is a multi-million dollar day, my personal opinion is that the Dec 16th event will be less than it otherwise would have been.

A lot of people have jumped on your case about promoting the Nov 30th - personally I have a ton of respect for what you did on Nov 5th (with a lot of help, but you were the leader imho). I think that you took a badmove by Bydlak and tried to make the best of it. The only thing I think you erred in was using the Nov 5th and TeaParty email list to promote the 30th. But even with that, you have certainly made an overall huge positive impact on the campaign. Thanks!

ItsTime
11-25-2007, 11:03 AM
100% agree lets try to break 12 million by the 1st. It will just build momentum going into the 16th and December will be another Ron Paul MSM month.

SwordOfShannarah
11-25-2007, 11:04 AM
Trevor, I am trying to call in some markers from friends and get a traffic campaign going.

If you can let us know what you need, we'll do our best to help.

First $12 million, then $20 million. December will be the month of Revolution.

I'd love to hear their ideas actually! :) People can help a great deal by calling into radio shows and writing to blog owners (even if only copying and pasting info and passing it along to them).

I need to make more banners for this by tonight- I do have one banner up on the site now. I should have more banners in place for tomorrow. Thanks for the help.

Wayne Hammond
11-25-2007, 11:04 AM
Great points Wayne. Today I'm getting a hair cut, some new clothes and buying the book "Blowback". I've looked over reviews and notes for most of RudysReadingList but it will be good for me to have the info straight from the source and fresh in my mind. :)

Super. You may want to put together a short, typed up list of "hot issues" - writing down exactly what you want to say on specific subjects (sound money, erosion of liberties, foreign entanglements, etc), then put together a "cheat sheet" bullet-pointing your main points - that's easier to do on radio, since they can't see you referring to your notes. I hate to use the term "Talking Points", but that's kind of what I'm referring to. It's designed to help you stay on task.


Yes that is my focus this week. I saved all the incoming emails from the media and I'll be calling on all of them. I'll push both the Nov 30th and TeaPart07 drives but with more focus on Nov 30th. Then after the 30th the TeaParty07 can be revisited with a reflected off the Nov 30th numbers. If we pull through we can really knock this thing out of the park.

Agree 100%. And if you are scheduled on a TV interview, make sure you let us know when it will be, so it can be YouTube'd. We can then spread that video to wider markets, creating even more media frenzy, and hopefully getting you more interviews on a national level.

For what it's worth, the press is almost more interested in how this campaign is able to raise these huge amounts of cash - and to them, Ron Paul's issues are almost secondary to the larger story (in their eyes) of this grassroots phenomena. That's why I think it will be relatively easy to get MSM attention upon you. Then when you get on stage, you can promote the issues and the 2 money bombs.

We have a short window of opportunity here; I think you're wise in taking advantage of it this week.

Let me say again, that I agree that breaking $12 million on November 30th is a very obtainable goal, and we need to promote the HECK out of www.RudysReadingList.com this week.

Someone else pondered what the headlines could read.... if we do Nov. 30 and Dec. 16... we can maximize the efforts, creating an exponential growth in support, resulting in 3 large media headlines that might read:

1 - Ron Paul campaign reaches quarterly $12 million goal one month early.

2 - Ron Paul campaign WINS New Hampshire primary

3 - Ron Paul campaign raises $10 million during Dec. 16th "Tea Party"

If we wait until December 16th, ignoring Nov 30th and the campaign's request for cash earlier, the only headline we might get is #3, and we will have lost the momentum to win the early primaries.


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gworrel
11-25-2007, 11:10 AM
I think that Trevor's analysis is exactly spot on. I just heard James Carville on Meet the Press mention Ron Paul and the fact that he expects to raise over 12 million this quarter. It was the only mention of Ron Paul the whole show which was focused totally on presidential politics. When we hit 12 million a month early it will definitely make news. It will only serve to build momentum for the tea party.

All the naysayers need to jump on the November 30th bandwagon and recognize that getting people to donate twice instead of once is a good thing. Hitting 12 million on November 30th will be a tremendous boost and will encourage more giving for December 16th, not less.

me3
11-25-2007, 11:10 AM
I'd love to hear their ideas actually! :) People can help a great deal by calling into radio shows and writing to blog owners (even if only copying and pasting info and passing it along to them).

I need to make more banners for this by tonight- I do have one banner up on the site now. I should have more banners in place for tomorrow. Thanks for the help.
Looks like I should be able to organize some DIGGs, Stumbles and Propeller votes.

Do we have a press release or something close typed up already? I might be able to get some blog posts as well. Maybe a Squidoo and HubPage also.

kylejack
11-25-2007, 11:13 AM
Let's inject a little reality. 3 million in 6 days is not terribly likely.

Man from La Mancha
11-25-2007, 11:13 AM
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9435/blackwsmallyh7.gif (teaparty07.com)

me3
11-25-2007, 11:15 AM
Let's inject a little reality. 3 million in 6 days is not terribly likely.
There is nothing Ron Paul supporters like more, than being told they cannot do something. :D

The underdog mentality of the grassroots is the catalyst.

ItsTime
11-25-2007, 11:17 AM
neither was 4 million in a day or polling above 2%.


Let's inject a little reality. 3 million in 6 days is not terribly likely.

gworrel
11-25-2007, 11:22 AM
Just a follow-up to my last post.

Anyone who pays even minor attention to the stock market knows that stocks go up when companies exceed expectations. The same applies in politics. November 5th exceeded people's expectations for Ron Paul and made big news. Now 12 million projected for the quarter exceeds expectations and makes news as we are seeing in James Carville's mention and other media stories. Getting to 12 million a month early really exceeds expectations and will make huge news. A record breaking December 16th will again exceed expectations and make big news. Then when the quarter total exceeds 20 million (whatever it is) it will exceed expectations and make big news. Doing well in New Hampshire and Iowa will undoubtedly exceed expectations and again make huge news.

We can produce a steady stream of going beyond expectations. This is a clear path that gets us where we want to be. It has already started. November 30th is the next important step along the way.

kylejack
11-25-2007, 11:24 AM
I like the enthusiasm, but I'd still bet against it.

Wayne Hammond
11-25-2007, 11:37 AM
We can produce a steady stream of going beyond expectations. This is a clear path that gets us where we want to be. It has already started. November 30th is the next important step along the way.

Wow. I like that first statement - it summarizes what this grassroots efforts can accomplish...

While we want to be realistic, (not over-estimating the product of our efforts by claiming that 'we can raise $100 million this quarter'), neither do we want to discount the exponential growth that can be accomplished by a growing group of pissed-off people who are told by naysayers "That's not going to happen" (ie- George Snuffleupagus). :)


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Wayne Hammond
11-25-2007, 11:40 AM
I like the enthusiasm, but I'd still bet against it.

That's pretty much what some of the more "pragmatic" British Loyalists said back in the late 1700's. ;)

Feel free to bet; just don't bet the house.

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Menthol Patch
11-25-2007, 11:53 AM
I totally agree! If we can hit 12 million dollars on Nov. 30th that will bring us a huge amount of media attention and bring the Tea Party a ton of media attention.

We need to go all out for Rudysreadinglist!

ItsTime
11-25-2007, 11:57 AM
This should be short term goal #1 long term goal the tea party. The amount of new donors and the amount of new people exposed to the Tea Party will be HUGE if we hit 12 million by the 1st.

KewlRonduderules
11-25-2007, 12:03 PM
While I agree that 12 million raised on November 30th would indeed create a huge amount of publicity for Dr. Paul, I am concerned that given the circumstances how rudysreadinglist.com came up and the controversy behind it, I wonder how much money we really can make up on that date. Moreover, this grassroots fundraiser came about in such short notice. I wonder if we can generate enough publicity to actually raise that amount of money to beat the 12 million mark. I certainly hope that is the case. What will help though is getting an email from the campaign that day asking for donations but we cannot ask for that since this is totally grassroots.

I have somewhat of a concern also that I noticed on rudysreadinglist.com about the statement about beating 12 million on November 30th. What if we do not make that goal? How is that going to affect the grassroots? Will it take away from the momentum we have already attained?

Given the circumstances I mentioned above, I wonder if we would be setting the bar too high and then we will be very disappointed if we do not meet that mark. Additionally, you will have moles in here attempt to create chaos with that. That is something we really do not need.

I'd remove the 12 million dollars by November 30th statement from the site to safeguard ourselves and prevent damage done to our grassroots effort. If we do beat that number, great! But do we really need that number on there?

Just my $.02...

;)

me3
11-25-2007, 12:16 PM
I have somewhat of a concern also that I noticed on rudysreadinglist.com about the statement about beating 12 million on November 30th. What if we do not make that goal? How is that going to affect the grassroots? Will it take away from the momentum we have already attained?
Say it comes up short, and the $12 million goal is beaten Dec. 4th, it's still a lot of publicity.

This money bomb has a specific target and goal. Even 80% success will make the goal a reality. $12 million in early Dec., lots of publicity.

Menthol Patch
11-25-2007, 12:16 PM
The blunt truth is that we can make the Tea Party more successful by supporting the Nov.30th money bomb!

KewlRonduderules
11-25-2007, 12:28 PM
Say it comes up short, and the $12 million goal is beaten Dec. 4th, it's still a lot of publicity.

This money bomb has a specific target and goal. Even 80% success will make the goal a reality. $12 million in early Dec., lots of publicity.

My concern though is that the moles will disrupt things in here saying that we did not make our goal and attempt to disrupt the forums. We really do not need them to do that. So to safe guard ourselves, I'd say remove the November 30th goal: 12 million dollars. We don't need moles and media barking up our backs if we do not make it on the 30th.

Again, just trying to come up with a contigency plan so that we do not need to deal with unnecessary attacks.

Maybe it can be phrased in a different way to encourage donations on the 30th but without setting a specific number.

Eleanor
11-25-2007, 12:29 PM
This should be short term goal #1 long term goal the tea party. The amount of new donors and the amount of new people exposed to the Tea Party will be HUGE if we hit 12 million by the 1st.

I am so very, very thankful to see this new focus being developed. Thank you, Trevor, for your post on the topic - and for everyone else who "seconded" the idea.

I really hope everyone can join together and make the $12 mil for the quarter happen on the 30th.

I mentioned it to a couple of folks I know who are strong Ron Paul supporters. They were planning to donate on the 16th but since there's a money bomb on the 30th they're happy to donate then too.

YESSSSS!! I hope there are many others who think like them.

Menthol Patch
11-25-2007, 12:34 PM
If we can raise 12 million by the 30th it will have the media screaming about the Tea Party! They will be talking about it constantly! Even our enemies will be talking about it!

me3
11-25-2007, 12:38 PM
Again, just trying to come up with a contigency plan so that we do not need to deal with unnecessary attacks.
If/when they attack, we will be too busy to deal with it. We'll be working full bore on the Tea Party.

We're a lot stronger when we work together, against our opponents, than making opponents of one another.

Wayne Hammond
11-25-2007, 12:43 PM
I'd remove the 12 million dollars by November 30th statement from the site to safeguard ourselves and prevent damage done to our grassroots effort. If we do beat that number, great! But do we really need that number on there?

Just my $.02...

;)

When RudysReadingList was started, the goal was primarily to increase the influx of cash in response to the email from HQ. My thinking process on this goes like this:

1. On one hand, I like it that we have the additional goal of $12 million by the end of the month... that will create quite a stir if we hit that mark...

2. On the other hand, if we don't hit that mark, it could be a negative...

3. On the other hand, I want to believe that we can hit $12 million, and I actually think it is quite possible...

4. On the other hand, we could promote the goal of $12 million in the forums; just not on the web site...

5. On the other hand, if we promote it on the web site, it could add another dynamic to the Nov 30th efforts - people respond to a specific goal better than they respond to a general goal. In other words, "Help us raise more cash on Nov 30th" is a lot less exciting than "Help us hit our $12 million mark on Nov. 30th".

After thinking through all these points, I'm leaning towards taking the risk and leaving that goal on the web site. Yes, it's a risk. But generally speaking, the higher the risk, the higher the return.

I say we just leave it, and do what we can to mitigate any downside risk by promoting www.RudysReadingList.com to the hilt and getting as many people on board as possible.

As we get closer to this coming Friday, we're going to see a lot more people jump on board, most of whom will see the $12 million as a realistic goal - it is those people who will make it happen. The Nov. 5th efforts exceeded most of our expectations, and that effort had it's naysayers as well.

If we don't hit the mark on Nov 30th, nothing really is lost - it was not an official campaign effort anyway - it's grassroots. I don't think the press would give it much coverage if we miss a goal. A headline like "Unofficial Ron Paul Grassroots Effort fails to make fundraising goal on Nov 30th" isn't going to happen. That's just not news.

I don't think there is a whole lot of risk here by leaving that goal on the web site.


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gworrel
11-25-2007, 12:58 PM
When RudysReadingList was started, the goal was primarily to increase the influx of cash in response to the email from HQ. My thinking process on this goes like this:

1. On one hand, I like it that we have the additional goal of $12 million by the end of the month... that will create quite a stir if we hit that mark...

2. On the other hand, if we don't hit that mark, it could be a negative...

3. On the other hand, I want to believe that we can hit $12 million, and I actually think it is quite possible...

4. On the other hand, we could promote the goal of $12 million in the forums; just not on the web site...

5. On the other hand, if we promote it on the web site, it could add another dynamic to the Nov 30th efforts - people respond to a specific goal better than they respond to a general goal. In other words, "Help us raise more cash on Nov 30th" is a lot less exciting than "Help us hit our $12 million mark on Nov. 30th".

After thinking through all these points, I'm leaning towards taking the risk and leaving that goal on the web site. Yes, it's a risk. But generally speaking, the higher the risk, the higher the return.

I say we just leave it, and do what we can to mitigate any downside risk by promoting www.RudysReadingList.com to the hilt and getting as many people on board as possible.

As we get closer to this coming Friday, we're going to see a lot more people jump on board, most of whom will see the $12 million as a realistic goal - it is those people who will make it happen. The Nov. 5th efforts exceeded most of our expectations, and that effort had it's naysayers as well.

If we don't hit the mark on Nov 30th, nothing really is lost - it was not an official campaign effort anyway - it's grassroots. I don't think the press would give it much coverage if we miss a goal. A headline like "Unofficial Ron Paul Grassroots Effort fails to make fundraising goal on Nov 30th" isn't going to happen. That's just not news.

I don't think there is a whole lot of risk here by leaving that goal on the web site.


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I agree that the $12 million goal should stay. November 5th fell far short of its $10 million goal but that was hardly mentioned. $12 million is not unrealistic at all. It is a concrete number that has specific meaning which makes it very powerful. It really helps to add focus and pull this together.

ItsTime
11-25-2007, 01:08 PM
Contact your meet-up group leaders and your states myspace page owners. I will be contacting everyone I know about this. There will be an email going out to about 1000 New Hampshire Ron Paul supporters shortly. :D

Naraku
11-25-2007, 01:25 PM
1. On one hand, I like it that we have the additional goal of $12 million by the end of the month... that will create quite a stir if we hit that mark...

2. On the other hand, if we don't hit that mark, it could be a negative...

3. On the other hand, I want to believe that we can hit $12 million, and I actually think it is quite possible...

4. On the other hand, we could promote the goal of $12 million in the forums; just not on the web site...

5. On the other hand, if we promote it on the web site, it could add another dynamic to the Nov 30th efforts - people respond to a specific goal better than they respond to a general goal. In other words, "Help us raise more cash on Nov 30th" is a lot less exciting than "Help us hit our $12 million mark on Nov. 30th".

Dude, that's five hands, why don't you take one of them and slap yourself with it?

NinjaPirate
11-25-2007, 01:32 PM
I like the enthusiasm, but I'd still bet against it.

If we make the $12mil goal by the 30th I'll be the first to hand you a plate of crow. :D


Anyhoo, I completely agree with the 30th AND the 16th. Making one small money bomb/fundraiser between now and the 16th will not put a huge burden on our wallets because we still have plenty of time to recharge. I really never understood the "just focus on the 16th" mentality. Prior to Bydlak's e-mail, daily donations were sucking major donkey balls (pardon the crudeness. :D). I realize the good intentions on wanting to hold off, but seeing donations trickling in the past couple days became discouraging.

I think it's very likely that the campaign will get media attention for acheiving the goal one month early!

I'm imagining what it'll be like on the Dec 1st.

CNN: Ron Paul has reached his goal of $12 million a month early, but the best is still yet to come because his grassroots fundraiser--The Boston Tea Party is still just around the corner!

If we can reach the $12mil goal by the 30th and raise $10mil on the 16th (with the teaparty being on a Sunday and near the holidays), the media will be all over this and other candidates will be crapping their pants, and left utterly speechless.

Wayne Hammond
11-25-2007, 01:50 PM
Dude, that's five hands, why don't you take one of them and slap yourself with it?

Well, all my hands come in awful handy when I'm working on projects around the house...

http://book-reader.net/HAM/3Many-Hands.gif


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ItsTime
11-25-2007, 02:16 PM
bump spread it! Make sure you include in your emails and messages that this is in no way an attempt to under mind the TeaParty but an attempt to enhance it!

BIG_J
11-25-2007, 02:21 PM
I don't see how this (Keeping the 12 million goal on the website) could get spun badly:

1. If we hit it; then great; tons of publicity. etc, etc etc.
2. If we miss it; Oh well, we raised $x dollars in 6 days? Not quite sure how this is a bad thing?

"Next up on CNN, the Ron Paul grassroots campaign only raised 2 million this week"
? ? ?

either way we get publicity. Our whole goal, and what we've been struggling against since the inception of the campaign is name recognition. Getting more mentions on TV can only help things; because most people think that, 1 or 2 million dollars *IS* a lot of money; no matter which way you slice it.

ItsTime
11-25-2007, 02:25 PM
The goal is 12 million for the whole 4th Quarter which ends DECEMBER 31st 11:59pm est.


I don't see how this (Keeping the 12 million goal on the website) could get spun badly:

1. If we hit it; then great; tons of publicity. etc, etc etc.
2. If we miss it; Oh well, we raised $x dollars in 6 days? Not quite sure how this is a bad thing?

"Next up on CNN, the Ron Paul grassroots campaign only raised 2 million this week"
? ? ?

either way we get publicity. Our whole goal, and what we've been struggling against since the inception of the campaign is name recognition. Getting more mentions on TV can only help things; because most people think that, 1 or 2 million dollars *IS* a lot of money; no matter which way you slice it.

BIG_J
11-25-2007, 02:35 PM
Ha; yes, I mean put the 12 million goal on the rudysreadinglist.com website for December 1st.

ItsTime
11-25-2007, 02:37 PM
ok gotcha. Sorry I didnt read it right. :cool:



Ha; yes, I mean put the 12 million goal on the rudysreadinglist.com website for December 1st.

mtmedlin
11-25-2007, 02:49 PM
Does anybody have an idea of how much the main campaign has ready for offline? If they could add it in the night before the 30th then it would help. In all honesty I would doubt that we can hit the 12 million mark before the end of the 30th. If we pushed really hard for it, we might, but in the end I think we would gut the 16th to pull this off. My main hope is to do more then 6.1 million on the 16th. This will set RP as the all time undisputed fundraising KING. Not online king but most ever in a single day. The side story will be that he is now over $17 million for the quarter (estimate of us being at about $11 million on the 1st)
If my prediction come through, then we do a massive push to attempt a push of $3 mill by the 30rth and end with a monster $20 miilion quarter.

the whole thing is timing. We have given 1/2 a mill since the letter came out and will do probably a little over a mill for the 30th. This will hold over their apetite until the 16th. Media is slow over the christmas breal period, especially political media. There are many parties and other social occasions when the only two things talked about is footbal and politics (my favorites) If the bomb on the 16 is over 6.1 mill, then we are the talk of the town and we get a ton of media while everybody is off.

austin356
11-25-2007, 02:50 PM
We should hopefully be getting at about $9,400,000 by the 30th.

We need the campaign to add in the offline donations on the 30th which should add >$600,000. They still have not added the donations to the meter from the 5th, let alone anything after that. That leaves us with only needing <$2,000,000.

Lets go.

me3
11-25-2007, 02:51 PM
They've added offline donations recently.

austin356
11-25-2007, 02:54 PM
They've added offline donations recently.


Oh well thats a bummer. How the hell did I miss that? Humm.

me3
11-25-2007, 02:58 PM
Hold the fort, I might be wrong. Maybe it's best to check Chowda's blog. Sorry if I was wrong. :o

deedles
11-25-2007, 04:22 PM
The blunt truth is that we can make the Tea Party more successful by supporting the Nov.30th money bomb!


Exactly.

I gained so many meetup members after the last money bomb and the corresponding media attention. Everytime his name makes it into the news, for ANY reason, people check him out and voila! Instant supporters! The whole goal of our meetup has been to get his name out there enough that people say 'what's the deal with this guy' and look into him. We all know he sells the ideals of the Constitution, Liberty and what this country is supposed to be better than any of us ever could. All we have to do is keep pushing his name out there.

Now that so many people are already hooked into him via all the efforts of meetups, forums etc... I find that people have heard his name enough that it doesn't take much now to push them into finding out for themself.

This RudysReadingList will do that, once again.

And really, I'm from Wisconsin. Just as we cheeseheads don't need much of a reason to have a beer (It's Tuesday!!!), us Paulheads don't need any particular reason to donate. (Someone said so!!!)

I'm in.


And just think about how it will force the MSM to explain what Rudy's reading list is!!!!!! That's almost the best part, we get an public encore of how c-l-u-e-l-e-s-s- Giuliani made himself out to be in that debate.:D:D:eek:

me3
11-25-2007, 04:26 PM
deedles, you are one of my favorite members . Great post.

TechnoGuyRob
11-25-2007, 04:34 PM
I definitely agree, and I'm glad you did the research. The only thing I'm worried about is, well...

http://ronpaulgraphs.com/full_quarter.png

Notice the huge upslope we need to take in order to get $12 million by the end of the month.

But Ron Paul supporters have never failed to surprise. :)

Naraku
11-25-2007, 04:42 PM
Get to $10 million by the 30th and it can be done.

Man from La Mancha
11-25-2007, 05:30 PM
I find it so amusing that so many people see a perceived goal that hasn't been attained like their world has collapsed and they are no longer worthy human beings that were implicably joined to goal, and view themselves as uttermost failures. Just over the fear that some MSM mentions that they didn't get their GOAL. It was hardly mention on Nov 5th just the awe that 4.3 was raised.LOL

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stevedasbach
11-25-2007, 09:20 PM
As I recall, something like 20,000 of the Nov 5th donations came from new donors. That's over $2 million from people who are nowhere close to being tapped out -- people who can likely donate at least $100 on Dec 16th and donate on Nov 30.

If we can hit $12 million significantly in advance of Dec 16th we'll get two big publicity boosts -- one for meeting the campaign's ambitious 4th quarter goal nearly a month early and one for beating our own single day record and beating Romney's & Guiliani's best single quarters.

The publicity burst for hitting the $12 million target early will attract more donors for Dec 16th -- probably enough to replace the funds donated early. It's a win-win for us.

Sey.Naci
11-25-2007, 10:37 PM
[Posted this to another thread, but it's relevant and perhaps will get more attention here]

Have noticed the same [loading] problem with teaparty07.com, rudysreadinglist.com and ronpaulblimp.com. Having no problem loading other sites. Anyone else having problems?

If I'm having trouble loading these pages on a high-speed connection, then this could be an issue for people with slower Internet connections. In addition, when pages take too long to load, the average surfer won't hang around for it to finish. Dedicated RP supporters are, of course, different, but if someone is just curious to check things out, a slow-loading page could put an end to their curiosity.

FluxCapacitor
11-26-2007, 12:35 AM
I maxed out my donations on the 5th. I encourage anyone who's saving money to donate on the 16th to donate on November 30th. Each dollar that you donate on the 30th will go toward generating more attention for December 16th, which will lead to new donors and new dollars. Another million dollars for RudysReadingList.com might lead to an extra million and a half for TeaParty07.com.

Midnight77
11-26-2007, 04:10 AM
I have gone back and forth over November 30th and the Tea Party so many times, my head is ready to explode.

Let's think about this rationally. What got Ron Paul a ton of publicity to begin with? What was responsible for giving Paul a rise in the polls? It was the attention given to us from the November 5th Money Bomb. That is what got us the jump in coverage, the polls, and in even more fundraising because the message broke through to a lot more people.

So, it would seem to me like the best thing to do is to do that again as soon as possible. The sooner we do this, the sooner more people will have a chance to come aboard and get the message. Many of us obviously don't want to agree to this, because they are backing the theme of the Tea Party 100%. And I agree. The Tea Party has a great message to it.

But let's face it. The Tea Party has been advertised. We're going through with it. No turning back. We can make it a big event in Boston that day. As long as we make the Tea Party bigger than Hillary's alleged record (which we know isn't true ... but it is accepted in the Media as true), then this will be explosive.

Now, does 2 $5 Million Money Bombs equal 1 $10 Million Money Bomb? Debatable. Very debatable. Because when you break it down, that's 1 Round of Media Coverage vs 2 Rounds of Media Coverage.

Our goal should be to dominate Media Coverage for the entire month of December. The way to do it is to constantly give the Media something to talk about. And the more we give them something to talk about ... the more opportunities we have to get our message across to the Voters who rely on Mainstream Media for all their information.

And the quicker we do this, the more voters we can expose to Ron's Message and give an opportunity to donate on the 16th. So I think we, the established base who have already donated to his campaign, should donate on the 30th, with the goal being to bring more people into the base to donate on the 16th for the first time.

When the 16th rolls around, the buzz about Ron will still be fresh from the Fundraiser on the 30th, and plus we'll have use of the Blimp for the whole weekend, to generate even more buzz and excitement that day.

Money bombs equal TV coverage, as long as they are successful. That's why we need to make the 30th successful. I'm confident we can make both the 30th and the 16th successful to maximize coverage throughout the entire month of December.

Like I said, like most of you, I have changed my minds several times about this. I know this is a very tough decision. But, again I urge you to think of the advantage of doing 2 successful money bombs as opposed to 1. They are spread out evenly and like I said, this will help us with our goal of dominating Media coverage for the entire month of December.

With that being said, please consider seriously donating on the 30th, let's save the Tea Party for new donors, and let's give them something to talk about!

Eleanor
11-26-2007, 05:57 AM
Let's think about this rationally. What got Ron Paul a ton of publicity to begin with? What was responsible for giving Paul a rise in the polls? It was the attention given to us from the November 5th Money Bomb.
...

So, it would seem to me like the best thing to do is to do that again as soon as possible. The sooner we do this, the sooner more people will have a chance to come aboard and get the message. ...

But let's face it. The Tea Party has been advertised. We're going through with it. ...

Now, does 2 $5 Million Money Bombs equal 1 $10 Million Money Bomb? Debatable. Very debatable. Because when you break it down, that's 1 Round of Media Coverage vs 2 Rounds of Media Coverage.

Our goal should be to dominate Media Coverage for the entire month of December. The way to do it is to constantly give the Media something to talk about. And the more we give them something to talk about ... the more opportunities we have to get our message across to the Voters who rely on Mainstream Media for all their information.

And the quicker we do this, the more voters we can expose to Ron's Message and give an opportunity to donate on the 16th. So I think we, the established base who have already donated to his campaign, should donate on the 30th, with the goal being to bring more people into the base to donate on the 16th for the first time.
...

Money bombs equal TV coverage, as long as they are successful. That's why we need to make the 30th successful. I'm confident we can make both the 30th and the 16th successful to maximize coverage throughout the entire month of December.
...

... again I urge you to think of the advantage of doing 2 successful money bombs as opposed to 1. They are spread out evenly and like I said, this will help us with our goal of dominating Media coverage for the entire month of December.

With that being said, please consider seriously donating on the 30th, let's save the Tea Party for new donors, and let's give them something to talk about!


Absolutely excellent ideas!!! I hope what you say catches on. Trevor indicated in his post yesterday that he would work this week to promote the 30th. Hopefully enough promotion will occur and enough donations will occur by posters in these and the other RP forums to bring about the $2.8 mil to go to $12 mil in 2 months instead of 3.

voytechs
11-26-2007, 06:33 AM
I...All the naysayers need to jump on the November 30th bandwagon and recognize that getting people to donate twice instead of once is a good thing. Hitting 12 million on November 30th will be a tremendous boost and will encourage more giving for December 16th, not less.

The problem is that all those people who will donate twice will split their donation. Donate 1/2 on 30th and 1/2 on 16th. Then there will be a bunch of people that will only donate on the 30th.

All this takes momentum away from the 16th, doesn't build more momentum. How much momentum will it take away? I can't say for sure, but looking at the pledge numbers and how they have stalled, its probably a lot. This is not a good thing.

Lets not fool ourselves. There is a certain amount of people donating (20K - 50K). When we split these people up into 2 days, instead of all for 1, neither one will be the maximum possible.

Midnight77
11-26-2007, 06:35 AM
The problem is that all those people who will donate twice will split their donation. Donate 1/2 on 30th and 1/2 on 16th. Then there will be a bunch of people that will only donate on the 30th.

All this takes momentum away from the 16th, doesn't build more momentum. How much momentum will it take away? I can't say for sure, but looking at the pledge numbers and how they have stalled, its probably a lot. This is not a good thing.

Lets not fool ourselves. There is a certain amount of people donating (20K - 50K). When we split these people up into 2 days, instead of all for 1, neither one will be the maximum possible.

No doubt about it. We're taking a gamble. But the goal is to expand the base, which is exactly what must happen. To expose more people to Ron Paul, with the hopes to get them to donate on the 16th.

But certainly you have to admit that Paul's coverage has died down considerably in the Media since then. We need to change that and something needs to be done about it. And it's getting down to crunch time. So we need to act now. We need to look to make at least a Million on the 30th and we need to make no less than $8 Million on the 16th. We need to make this happen. Someway. Somehow.

ItsTime
11-26-2007, 06:38 AM
Think about it... If we can get 12 million by the 1st. And a huge day on the 16th that is exactly the 1-2 punch the campaign could use rolling into New Hampshire.

me3
11-26-2007, 08:03 AM
The coverage has died down because Dr. Paul has been campaigning.

The first round of coverage had nothing to do with 11/5. It was a big 3rd quarter (by the MSM's standards). They got nearly as much coverage from that as they did from 11/5.

SwordOfShannarah
11-26-2007, 08:36 AM
The problem is that all those people who will donate twice will split their donation. Donate 1/2 on 30th and 1/2 on 16th. Then there will be a bunch of people that will only donate on the 30th.

All this takes momentum away from the 16th, doesn't build more momentum. How much momentum will it take away? I can't say for sure, but looking at the pledge numbers and how they have stalled, its probably a lot. This is not a good thing.

Lets not fool ourselves. There is a certain amount of people donating (20K - 50K). When we split these people up into 2 days, instead of all for 1, neither one will be the maximum possible.

Donating on the 30th will build momentum for the 16th. When ThisNovember5th.com was a success there was a ton of traffic to the site (and leading up to it). At that time there was no other drive to promote and all the traffic was lost. Remember that not all Ron Paul supporters are on the net, we've broken through to non- net users. So, many won't know about TeaParty07.com until we get it on the news. If we get on the news on the 30th we will bring in new RP supporters to fill in any gaps, and we'll probably do much more than fill in gaps- we'll see a large increase. People want to be a part of the winning team after all, and twice in the MSM means we're winning!

Also - sorry to all about my writing and thanks for struggling through it. I edited the first post just a bit. I hope it's a little easier to read now. I'm sending a link to this forum post out to the list today.

Kandilynn
11-26-2007, 08:40 AM
I really want to donate on Nov 30th, but I won't have any money until mid-December. That's the reason I signed up to do that one.

Menthol Patch
11-26-2007, 09:20 AM
Think about it... If we can get 12 million by the 1st. And a huge day on the 16th that is exactly the 1-2 punch the campaign could use rolling into New Hampshire.

I agree.

Original_Intent
11-26-2007, 09:39 AM
Donating on the 30th will build momentum for the 16th. When ThisNovember5th.com was a success there was a ton of traffic to the site (and leading up to it). At that time there was no other drive to promote and all the traffic was lost. Remember that not all Ron Paul supporters are on the net, we've broken through to non- net users. So, many won't know about TeaParty07.com until we get it on the news. If we get on the news on the 30th we will bring in new RP supporters to fill in any gaps, and we'll probably do much more than fill in gaps- we'll see a large increase. People want to be a part of the winning team after all, and twice in the MSM means we're winning!

Also - sorry to all about my writing and thanks for struggling through it. I edited the first post just a bit. I hope it's a little easier to read now. I'm sending a link to this forum post out to the list today.

Trevor I hope one of two things:

1) That you are right and that November 30th is a huge success

or

2) That November 30th is a minor money grenade.

Deep down I HOPE that number 1 is right because it COULD indeed make Dec 16th even bigger.

But also, deep down, I BELIEVE that November 30th will suck the oxygen out of TeaParty07. Because of this belief, and not because I have any axe to grind, I will continue to encourage people to hold off until the TeaParty.

Eleanor
11-26-2007, 09:51 AM
Trevor I hope one of two things:

1) That you are right and that November 30th is a huge success

or

2) That November 30th is a minor money grenade.

Deep down I HOPE that number 1 is right because it COULD indeed make Dec 16th even bigger.

But also, deep down, I BELIEVE that November 30th will suck the oxygen out of TeaParty07. Because of this belief, and not because I have any axe to grind, I will continue to encourage people to hold off until the TeaParty.


Original Intent, I disagree with you.

Trevor, I'm with you all the way. I hope you're able to publicize this yourself as well this week. Something was mentioned yesterday about you were going to try to do some appearances on radio this week??? If so, I hope you're able to do so and are able to encourage folks to donate on Friday.

Note: The donations have fallen off since Tuesday. (Only $8,680 as of 10:45 AM ET on Monday.) Hopefully that's because everyone is tapped out after beating Huck's money bomb on Tuesday and not as protests against the money bomb timing issues.

Hopefully the donation total will be LARGE on Friday.

mtmedlin
11-26-2007, 10:22 AM
Eleanor, i have to disagree with you and with only 1700 or so pledges, I believe the market has spoken.
I keep reading everybody saying that two 5 million dollar money bombs do not equal a ten. Your right. but what if the total between the two isnt anywhere near 10 million. What if it is 6. Then we give 2 on the 30th and 4 on the 16th and get nearly no coverage. A single 6 million dollar fundraising on the 16th would have made news but as I have said in several threads, the damage is done and there is no turning back. We have two money bombs and if they disappoint some people will look like ass's and if they both succeed then they will look like geniuses. I am hoping for the second.

Maltheus
11-26-2007, 11:02 AM
Alright, I'm sold on the donating on Nov. 30. But only to break the $12 million mark, not to make a splash in and of itself. I think we can raise another $2.5 million without significantly damaging the 16th bomb. It's such an attainable goal and I'm starting to buy the argument that we can snowball it into something more on the 16th.

I did a sign waiving this weekend with close to 20 others, and I was blown away by how many people were hanging out their windows cheering us on. Honks from all directions at the same time, yet in three hours, I only saw three thumbs down (and one lady asking, "is he that Mormon fellow?"). Apparently that was a big step up from the last sign waiving that our group did. I'm not happy with how the Ron Paul campaign is running things, but I do pay respect to Trevor for his fine lemonade.

shadowhooch
11-26-2007, 11:30 AM
The 12 million Nov 30th goal is perfect for so many reasons:

1) It WILL be publicity if RP meets his 4th Qtr goal 1 month early.
2) This publicity will help escalate (not deteriorate) the contributions for Dec 16th Tea Party because of new "believers" that are converted to RP.
3) This publicity will be HUGE to gain him support before the Iowa debate (which is a little skeptical as to if RP will be invited).
4) Finally, and most importantly, it is money the campaign CAN spend on the early primary states.

What's not to love?
Let's do it and quit bickering. Just give twice instead of once. :cool:

qwerty
11-26-2007, 11:50 AM
12 million would be awesome...

Ksuperneau
11-26-2007, 12:51 PM
I gave $25 on the 5th as I was broke and it was the first time ever donating. Also gave 25 on the 11th and with the email last week. So I, as many can do is donate on both days. If we get close to the 12mil mark people will likely jump in to give the final boost over the goal. I think it will be doable without effecting the 16th at all and probably boost it if nothing else.

CelestialRender
11-26-2007, 01:05 PM
I'll be donating on both days.

You couldn't be more right about repetition. We need to make sure they can't call his successes a "fluke".

tomcat
11-26-2007, 01:11 PM
Crucial to break this. Yes, there is a compromise between the grassroots and the campaign. The wisest thing we can do to is to make this Nov. 30th be big, and the TeaParty will be even BIGGER.

I am donating my $100 Friday, and 2 more ex-Ron Paul-doubters will take my place on the 16th!!!!

kotetu
11-26-2007, 01:31 PM
Q1: $639,989
Q2: $2,369,453
Q3: $5,258,455

The first number to get to is $10,516,910. This is DOUBLE the Quarter 3. This one is a no brainer, since we're only a million and a quarter away.

The big bomb that will really garner attention, though, is $21,084,634. Why? Because that is Mitt's 1st quarter fundraising. The BEST so far in the republican race. Beat that, and no one in the world can ignore or marginalize Ron Paul.

I think it would be great to double our prior quarter fundraising in 2 months, but let's not forget the main goal - the Tea Party! If we bring in $10,000,000 on the 16th, Ron Paul pushed to front runner status. All Eyes On Paul seems like a good headline to shoot for!

erran speaker
11-26-2007, 02:13 PM
hello,

i am a relatively new member and would like to add a line or two... thanks :)

i saw my first ron paul sign in may in florida. i checked out ron paul, liked the surface without digging further and thought "too bad he probably won't get anywhere". i then picked romney as the best candidate to actually run the business of government.

i checked ron paul out heavily after third quarter fund raising totals came in, but not enough to catch wind of November 5th until it was over. November 5th brought me in and i signed up for the tea party. there's my story, here are a couple of thoughts:

all you need for rudy's reading list is $1 million and a well organized campaign ready to take advantage of it. donate more than $1 million, call the press, and cast it as a direct attack on giuliani. they love conflict. unlike the other events, rudy's reading list is a direct conflict event. if the campaign could log a lot of offline donations that day, that would be nice, but the main thing is $1 million to buy rudy a few books. $1 million is a headline, conflict with rudy is a headline. i also highly recommend donating early in the morning so the press can get the business lunch crowd. cresting $10.6 million ("congressman paul, you've already doubled your impressive total from last quarter"), over $1 million for the punch line of rudy's reading list ("mr mayor, how do you account for the discrepancy between your remarks and the 9/11 commission report? and why do you think so many people are donating to buy you copies of these books?"), and you have all the airtime you need. i hope the campaign will be ready to take advantage. again, please donate early in the day if you are going to donate at all. you'll get a baby tick for crossing $12 million in december, but if the tea party does not pass $7.0 million (crushing romney's $6.5 million claim and hillary's big day in june) it may be only "another money bomb". "most money in a single day" and "over $20 million for the quarter" are big headlines.

summation: i support a $1 million dollar effort for the 30th, particularly if it crosses $10.6 million total. i support it because it will bring a lot more people to play for the 16th - people like me (and i've already signed up three others).

xoxox,
erran

Eleanor
11-26-2007, 05:01 PM
hello,

i am a relatively new member and would like to add a line or two... thanks :)

...

all you need for rudy's reading list is $1 million and a well organized campaign ready to take advantage of it. donate more than $1 million, call the press, and cast it as a direct attack on giuliani. they love conflict. unlike the other events, rudy's reading list is a direct conflict event. if the campaign could log a lot of offline donations that day, that would be nice, but the main thing is $1 million to buy rudy a few books. $1 million is a headline, conflict with rudy is a headline. i also highly recommend donating early in the morning so the press can get the business lunch crowd. cresting $10.6 million ("congressman paul, you've already doubled your impressive total from last quarter"), over $1 million for the punch line of rudy's reading list ("mr mayor, how do you account for the discrepancy between your remarks and the 9/11 commission report? and why do you think so many people are donating to buy you copies of these books?"), and you have all the airtime you need. i hope the campaign will be ready to take advantage. again, please donate early in the day if you are going to donate at all. you'll get a baby tick for crossing $12 million in december, but if the tea party does not pass $7.0 million (crushing romney's $6.5 million claim and hillary's big day in june) it may be only "another money bomb". "most money in a single day" and "over $20 million for the quarter" are big headlines.

summation: i support a $1 million dollar effort for the 30th, particularly if it crosses $10.6 million total. i support it because it will bring a lot more people to play for the 16th - people like me (and i've already signed up three others).

xoxox,
erran


Really terrific ideas, in my opinion. I hope the Powers that Be use them. Thanks for posting.

ShowMeLiberty
11-26-2007, 06:31 PM
Just a follow-up to my last post.

Anyone who pays even minor attention to the stock market knows that stocks go up when companies exceed expectations. The same applies in politics. November 5th exceeded people's expectations for Ron Paul and made big news. Now 12 million projected for the quarter exceeds expectations and makes news as we are seeing in James Carville's mention and other media stories. Getting to 12 million a month early really exceeds expectations and will make huge news. A record breaking December 16th will again exceed expectations and make big news. Then when the quarter total exceeds 20 million (whatever it is) it will exceed expectations and make big news. Doing well in New Hampshire and Iowa will undoubtedly exceed expectations and again make huge news.

We can produce a steady stream of going beyond expectations. This is a clear path that gets us where we want to be. It has already started. November 30th is the next important step along the way.

A very simple summary of the above post and others like it...

Nothing Succeeds Like Success

Too many voters still just want to "pick a winner". To me, that means our job is to make Dr. Paul look like a winner to these people. No, not just a winner - we must make him THE WINNER for money raised. Perception is reality. Perceived "winners" become actual "winners". QED

ProBlue33
11-26-2007, 06:53 PM
I just want to say for obvious reasons that Nov30th is not the day to max out.
By all means give $100.00, but don't go crazy, save that for the 16th, then go crazy and max out.

James R
11-26-2007, 08:36 PM
Congratulations on posting legitimate evidence that Nov 30th has some purpose, to my shock and amazement. Now seal the deal by getting actual names of reporters who believe it would be huge if Ron Paul hits the $12 million mark on Nov 30th. All you have to do is use your press contacts for opinion and get permission to publish their opinion, then you'll have my support and also several thousand others as well who will see actual evidence that Nov 30th is meaningful. The better your press evidence the more I'll donate on the 30th. I'm challenging you because I like to change my mind about things.

Wayne Hammond
11-26-2007, 08:48 PM
Congratulations on posting legitimate evidence that Nov 30th has some purpose, to my shock and amazement. Now seal the deal by getting actual names of reporters who believe it would be huge if Ron Paul hits the $12 million mark on Nov 30th. All you have to do is use your press contacts for opinion and get permission to publish their opinion, then you'll have my support and also several thousand others as well who will see actual evidence that Nov 30th is meaningful. The better your press evidence the more I'll donate on the 30th. I'm challenging you because I like to change my mind about things.

You've got to be kidding. You are, right?!?

You're actually asking Trevor to drop everything he's doing, then spend the next 3 days securing all this "evidence" that you require, asking for and gathering a multitude of "permission slips" from all the press people he contacts, which allows him to post their opinions here on the forums, just to prove to you that it's worth your while to donate on the Nov 30th? By the time he does all that, Nov. 30th will be over.

Uh, don't think this movement needs your money that bad. :rolleyes:

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lastnymleft
11-26-2007, 08:53 PM
I just want to say for obvious reasons that Nov30th is not the day to max out.
By all means give $100.00, but don't go crazy, save that for the 16th, then go crazy and max out.

Yes. Make no bones about it: By the end of this quarter, every current supporter should be maxed out, or as close to maxing out as they possibly can. Hit the limit, then hit the PACs. Give till it hurts, then give some more.

This quarter is IT. Beating $20M for this quarter, or - even better - beating Romney's $21.xM 1st Qtr total are both realistic targets if we vow not to hold back. Such will be worth MULTIPLES to the campaign right at the best possible time. The biggest news will hit on Jan 3rd-4th, when the 4th Qtr figures are released. That will give us the biggest boost going into Iowa, New Hampshire, and Super Tuesday, that we could possibly hope for.

For every one of us that hits the max, several more will have been brought forward to carry the baton for future moneybombs.

4th Quarter, to the MAX!

James R
11-26-2007, 10:34 PM
You've got to be kidding. You are, right?!?

You're actually asking Trevor to drop everything he's doing, then spend the next 3 days securing all this "evidence" that you require, asking for and gathering a multitude of "permission slips" from all the press people he contacts, which allows him to post their opinions here on the forums, just to prove to you that it's worth your while to donate on the Nov 30th? By the time he does all that, Nov. 30th will be over.

Uh, don't think this movement needs your money that bad. :rolleyes:

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It take five seconds to ask the press these questions when you have the press contacts. You say three days. I say a couple hours max.

kotetu
11-26-2007, 10:37 PM
With 90k+ supporters in the $1-500 range of support, (I may be assuming too much), if they all maxed out, and say, donated $1,800, Ron would raise $162,000,000. :)

jamesmadison
11-26-2007, 10:43 PM
30th is a waste of time and quite possibly detrimental.

James R
11-26-2007, 11:01 PM
30th is a waste of time and quite possibly detrimental.

I don't get how 2 paychecks is enough space between the events. But the 30th crowd seems to think the money is unlimited if you just want it badly enough. So, maybe they are right. The best way to get Ron Paul to $12 million ASAP is to donate immediately, rather than waiting for a money-bomb that potentially waters down Dec 16.

stevedasbach
11-26-2007, 11:07 PM
Congratulations on posting legitimate evidence that Nov 30th has some purpose, to my shock and amazement. Now seal the deal by getting actual names of reporters who believe it would be huge if Ron Paul hits the $12 million mark on Nov 30th. All you have to do is use your press contacts for opinion and get permission to publish their opinion, then you'll have my support and also several thousand others as well who will see actual evidence that Nov 30th is meaningful. The better your press evidence the more I'll donate on the 30th. I'm challenging you because I like to change my mind about things.

I've seen several press references to the $12 million goal with reporters/pundits indicating that it will be significant if we succeed. The most recent were the Ragin Cagin on Meet the Press and the commentary related to the Bloomberg News interview.

I don't think it matters if we hit in Nov 30th or a few days later. The key is to hit it far enough in advance of Dec 16th that we get two cycles of coverage instead of just one, and so that we can use the first cycle to publicise Dec 16th to a wider audience.

me3
11-26-2007, 11:14 PM
I don't think it matters if we hit in Nov 30th or a few days later. The key is to hit it far enough in advance of Dec 16th that we get two cycles of coverage instead of just one, and so that we can use the first cycle to publicise Dec 16th to a wider audience.
+1

me3
11-26-2007, 11:15 PM
I don't get how 2 paychecks is enough space between the events. But the 30th crowd seems to think the money is unlimited if you just want it badly enough. So, maybe they are right. The best way to get Ron Paul to $12 million ASAP is to donate immediately, rather than waiting for a money-bomb that potentially waters down Dec 16.
It's not about the money being unlimited, forgive my language, but it's about all the complainers getting off their butts and promoting TP07 2 x as hard.

You don't have to donate to both, find a proxy donor or two for TP07. Even if they only kick in $25 each. But don't assume it's the same base of people giving both days and it will be divided. A lot of work is going to be done by Trevor, Rob and others (hopefully all of us) to make TP07 a success with 15 straight days of promotion.

SwordOfShannarah
11-26-2007, 11:37 PM
It take five seconds to ask the press these questions when you have the press contacts. You say three days. I say a couple hours max.

Well anyway- today I spent the morning doing an interview with PBS Now. It was pretty cool. I hope I was ok. It was mostly about Ron Paul and ThisNovember5th.com.

But also I spoke with Politico and told them about RudysReadingList.com and also spoke with NolanChart.com. I'll be contacting more press tomorrow. Hope to get to almost all of them.

Politico really liked RudysReadingList.com and trying to use that to direct traffic to TeaParty07.com. So rather than trying to get permission I'm trying to get publicity! :D

SwordOfShannarah
11-26-2007, 11:41 PM
I don't think it matters if we hit in Nov 30th or a few days later. The key is to hit it far enough in advance of Dec 16th that we get two cycles of coverage instead of just one, and so that we can use the first cycle to publicize Dec 16th to a wider audience.

I agree we'll get the publicity even if it's a few days later.. the opportunity lost is the claim that the fund raising drive was responsible. Without that we can't direct traffic to the site and can't then link to TeaParty07.com.. but hey- we'll take the publicity a few days later if we have to. :)

Edward
11-26-2007, 11:48 PM
I don't get how 2 paychecks is enough space between the events. But the 30th crowd seems to think the money is unlimited if you just want it badly enough. So, maybe they are right. The best way to get Ron Paul to $12 million ASAP is to donate immediately, rather than waiting for a money-bomb that potentially waters down Dec 16.I would consider myself part of the "November 30th crowd". I think it is a mistake to think of fundraising in terms of a finite amount of money that can be pooled from a finite base of supporters. Those of us who run our own businesses understand that sometimes we need to spend money to make money. The relevant example here is that we invest in advertising to bring in new customers. What I've been arguing for a couple weeks now is that the original money bomb concept (i.e. to raise $1 million in an hour by getting 40,000 people to each contribute $25) would be a fantastic investment to garner publicity for the campaign and the grassroots effort prior to December 16th. I am happy to see that a new project to get to $12 million prior to the end of the quarter is underway. Far from diluting whatever the final total may be, I believe the publicity from this would generate more awareness, more potential contributors, and even MORE money for the Tea Party.

Regarding "Rudy's Reading List": Great name! Whomever decided to throw down the gauntlet with a challenge to Rudy deserves mucho kudos!

ProBlue33
11-27-2007, 12:15 AM
There is huge betting action going for Dec16, and nothing for Nov30th.
Nov30 is all gravy, the expectations are on the tea party, remember that.
If we get to 10 million that day I will be happy, maybe another million by the
16th then 7 million at the tea party for 18 million:)

Original_Intent
11-27-2007, 12:25 AM
I agree we'll get the publicity even if it's a few days later.. the opportunity lost is the claim that the fund raising drive was responsible. Without that we can't direct traffic to the site and can't then link to TeaParty07.com.. but hey- we'll take the publicity a few days later if we have to. :)

Here is an idea of how to get that publicity for the fundraiser that you can then redirect to TeaParty.

Instead of the goal being to break the $12 million how about we try to raise $1 million in an hour on the 30th and bill it as a "server stress test" for the TeaParty.

This is not my idea it was posted in another thread, but it is something for the 30th that even I could get behind. If we selected an hour to do a precison strike of a million in an hour, first I am sure that would be a record unto itself, 2nd it would give the campaing this funds injection I keep hearing they need, and third it inherently points to the kind of success we are EXPECTING for the TeaParty. Not that we would change the TeaParty goal to $24 million, that's just crazy talk :D but it would tip the media of how much peak activity we expect and would, I think, be a great way to get the 30th a good chunk of change and promote TeaParty at the same time.

I propose high noon to 1 p.m. Eastern for the "laser guided" bomb.

Michigan11
11-27-2007, 12:40 AM
I'm new to this forum, but I am very involved on the ground and with donations, and I like this idea!

It's different, it could galvanize everyone to join in on that one hour... the anticipation of 12:00 noon on the 30th. (lunch time for those who would be working, I presume)

Yeah, I've already signed up for the 30th and the Tea Party!

James R
11-27-2007, 03:54 AM
I think it is a mistake to think of fundraising in terms of a finite amount of money that can be pooled from a finite base of supporters.

If this were true then why is TeaParty07 flat-lining the the low-20,000's? Based on the premise that a major media event can double our support in a couple weeks, we should have at least 35,000 people signed up by now for TeaParty07. If there were 35,000 people signed right now up for TeaParty07, then I'd believe you. We don't, so I don't believe you.

Edward
11-27-2007, 03:22 PM
If this were true then why is TeaParty07 flat-lining the the low-20,000's? Based on the premise that a major media event can double our support in a couple weeks, we should have at least 35,000 people signed up by now for TeaParty07. If there were 35,000 people signed right now up for TeaParty07, then I'd believe you. We don't, so I don't believe you.The point is that a successful project on November 30th (e.g. reaching $12 million or raising $1 million in one hour) would create publicity for the Tea Party. The fact that the number of pledges has flat-lined is evidence that publicity is needed.

austin356
11-27-2007, 03:26 PM
If this were true then why is TeaParty07 flat-lining the the low-20,000's? Based on the premise that a major media event can double our support in a couple weeks, we should have at least 35,000 people signed up by now for TeaParty07. If there were 35,000 people signed right now up for TeaParty07, then I'd believe you. We don't, so I don't believe you.



Many people are holding out cause of the email situation.

me3
11-27-2007, 03:27 PM
If this were true then why is TeaParty07 flat-lining the the low-20,000's?
It's almost 3 weeks away, and more people are complaining about Rudy's Reading List than they are promoting Tea Party. That's my guess.


Based on the premise that a major media event can double our support in a couple weeks, we should have at least 35,000 people signed up by now for TeaParty07. If there were 35,000 people signed right now up for TeaParty07, then I'd believe you. We don't, so I don't believe you.
You can apply whatever projection math and logic you want, it's time to go to work!

tsetsefly
11-27-2007, 04:33 PM
Just donate on both dates, split it or just send in 20 on the 30th, but I do see the importance of the 30th, the campaign needs more funds for the early primary states, and I do agree that reaching 12 million on the 30th would create great media exposure...

SwordOfShannarah
11-27-2007, 07:16 PM
If this were true then why is TeaParty07 flat-lining the the low-20,000's? Based on the premise that a major media event can double our support in a couple weeks, we should have at least 35,000 people signed up by now for TeaParty07. If there were 35,000 people signed right now up for TeaParty07, then I'd believe you. We don't, so I don't believe you.

Actually this logic isn't correct according to past numbers. We raised $4.3 million with 18,000 pledges. Also I suspect people are going to donate on the 30th but don't want to commit to $100. So they don't sign up - but will donate some amount under $100.

Midnight77
11-27-2007, 07:38 PM
If we can make the 30th even half as successful as the 5th, then we can chalk this up as a win. But this is questionable. We must rally behind this to increase our donor base and get the media coverage now.

This should be viewed as an investment into the 16th and getting new donors.

Eleanor
11-27-2007, 08:43 PM
Rudy's Reading List now loads very quickly. Thank you, Trevor!! Maybe you'll get some more pledges as a result??? It certainly is easier to use.



We must rally behind this to increase our donor base and get the media coverage now.

This should be viewed as an investment into the 16th and getting new donors.

Amen!!!


I'm very happy the donations went up today. Hopefully that process will continue through the week.

As of 9:36 PM Eastern, per Ron Paul Graphs, $127,547 was donated so far today.

Total for the quarter: $9,347,843.

Total needed to take us to $12 mil by 11:59 PM 11/30: $2,652,157.

Menthol Patch
11-29-2007, 07:53 AM
bump

microchip
11-29-2007, 12:10 PM
Thanks to all who posted on this thread ... I think the publicity boost from tomorrow will be a great benefit to the campaign, even if the goal isn't met (and especially if it is). The goal for November 5th wasn't met but it generated great publicity.

As of now (1 pm ET on the 29th) the campaign has $9.7 million. Even if we just hit one million tomorrow it means we'll (1) pass $10 million for the quarter, and (2) have received double the Q3 contributions in two months.

Of course, $2.3 million tomorrow would be really nice. :D

erran speaker
11-29-2007, 02:47 PM
hi!

this is looking sooo great. it looks like tomorrow will clearly push us to more than twice the third quarter total, we'll beat the other campaigns third quarter donations, we'll raise more than a million dollars in one day for rudy's reading list, we'll be grabbing headlines for doing it right after the debate, etc. etc.

and we haven't even hit the tea party yet...

very nice. i thought the magic hour tomorrow was noon to 1pm est. has that changed? anything official from the event organizers?

and remember, our most importants 45 days is coming up. a lot of people aren't even paying attention until their family starts talking politics over the holidays. and guess what! i just found out my cousin is already in a ron paul meetup and moving us forward :)

this is going to be huge. the fourth quarter fund raising goal and the tea party are going to smash into the headlines big time. very very nice...

go team :)

xoxox,
erran

macdee
11-29-2007, 10:01 PM
Did the RP site just go down?

Sey.Naci
11-29-2007, 10:03 PM
Did the RP site just go down?
Yea and it's back up. They're going to have to replace that graph soon.

Sey.Naci
11-29-2007, 10:07 PM
Best not to visit the campaign site except to donate. To watch the graph, visit www.ronpaulgraphs.com or Paul Cash (http://paulcash.slact.net/).

SwordOfShannarah
11-29-2007, 10:36 PM
There is huge betting action going for Dec16, and nothing for Nov30th.
Nov30 is all gravy, the expectations are on the tea party, remember that.
If we get to 10 million that day I will be happy, maybe another million by the
16th then 7 million at the tea party for 18 million:)

Actually this is not true. I've been doing my best to promote both Nov 30th and the TeaParty. As of right now it is being watched.

Here is a list so far:

Politico
CBS News
ABC News
Newsweek
USA Today
Miami Herald
Chicago Tribune
Salon.com
LATimes
MTV News - VH1 News
PBS Now (television)
CS Monitor
Houston Chronical
NolanChart


If we do well we can add:

CNN
Fortune.com
New York Times
Washington Post
and possibly Forbes.com

not to mention all kinds of Radio shows. I've been working as hard as I can. :)