Suspect tells investigators he and his brother learned to build bombs over the internet

[Constitutional Paulicy]

Suspect reportedly tells investigators that he and his brother learned to build bombs over the Internet.
Doug Stanglin, USA TODAY
10:49 a.m. EDT April 23, 2013


Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the Boston Marathon bombing suspect, has told investigators that his brother was the driving force behind the attacks and that they were motivated by religion, but did not have help or contact from terrorists or groups overseas, according to media reports quoting U.S. officials.

more here.... http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/23/boston-bomber-foreign-motive-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-terrorist-groups/2105705/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+usatoday-NewsTopStories+%28News+-+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo

[Origanalist]

Wait a minute. Didn't I hear this over and over?


Reports indicate the FBI is searching for a 12-person "sleeper cell" tied to the Boston Marathon bombers.

This is an outworking of the belief that "Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were "specially trained" to carry out their attack.

The UK's Daily Mirror quoted an anonymous source with knowledge of the investigation:


We have no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google.

...Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come.

According to the report, "a specialist team of CIA and FBI interrogators was...flown to Boston" on April 20 to "grill wounded Dzhokhar, 19, about the secret group."


We better waterboard him, he isn't telling the truth.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Wait a minute. Didn't I hear this over and over?

Why yes, or we both keep having the same auditory hallucinations.

I guess it must be time to regulate more speech, and regulate more internet.

[phill4paul]

Why yes, or we both keep having the same auditory hallucinations.

I guess it must be time to regulate more speech, and regulate more internet.

Whatever could the government gain by such a tragedy? /s

[Brian4Liberty]

Prediction:

Senate Internet Safety Act of 2013
Sponsored by Graham, McCain, Schumer, Ayotte, Feinstein and Lieberman.

[angelatc]

http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/22/boston-bombing-suspect-tells-officials-older-brother-was-driving-force-behind-attack/


U.S. government source tells CNN that in preliminary interviews with the Boston Marathon terrorist attack bombing suspect, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/22/what-we-know-now-about-the-boston-bombing-suspect/) has told law enforcement that no foreign terrorist groups were involved in the incident; there was an online component to their radicalization - through watching videos, not through online communication; and that older brother, Tamerlan, was the driving force behind the planning and execution of the attacks.Tamerlan's motivation was that of jihadist thought, the source says, with its religious and political motivations, the idea that Islam is under attack and jihadists need to fight back.
The source adds according to these preliminary interviews the brothers seem to fit into the classification of self-starters, self-radicalized jihadists.
The government source cautions that this is just what the suspect is saying in these preliminary interviews, and that all of his claims need to be checked out and followed up by investigators.

Goodbye, First Amendment.

This is a short article about self-radicalization: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112990/boston-marathon-bombing-2013-olivier-roy-modern-terrorism#

[angelatc]

Prediction:

Senate Internet Safety Act of 2013
Sponsored by Graham, McCain, Schumer, Ayotte, Feinstein and Lieberman.


Lieberman retired.

[AngryCanadian]

Suspect tells investigators he and his brother learned to build bombs over the internet
I highly doubt that its suspect whose telling them this. It seems there are more holes into this story just like 9/11.

[dannno]

Lieberman retired.

I predict he comes out of retirement for this one.

[Sam I am]

Wait a minute. Didn't I hear this over and over?



We better waterboard him, he isn't telling the truth.

You'd be surprised what you can learn from google

[FSP-Rebel]

I heard on the radio that they were saying that the kids had links to al qaeda in Iran. how convenient of a meme to push

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Lieberman retired.


Lieberman retarded.


damn spellcheck.

[angelatc]

I heard on the radio that they were saying that the kids had links to al qaeda in Iran. how convenient of a meme to push

Self-radicalizing neocons.

[July]

Maybe the conflicting media reports are due to different special interests trying to gain politically from the narrative? Remember when this first happened, before they had any suspects, we were hearing all about how this was probably homegrown, maybe right wingers angry about gun control, how you can find info about how to make bombs online, etc. Then once the suspects were identified, all of a sudden the bombs were too sophisticated, it's international, neoconservatives are chiming in with war on terror talking points, the Israel lobby is reminding us how they have to deal with this kind of thing all the time, etc. The neocons lost the debate on whether to treat him as an enemy combatant. So now we're back to the bombs being homegrown and unsophisticated again. I predict we'll see a lot of this back and forth.

[RockEnds]

He's a talkative guy given his medical condition. Not just everyone can go from being intubated and sedated to giving a detailed account of their recent activities in a day's time.

[jkob]

I'd take most of these reports with a grain of salt. Remember all the BS CNN and friends were reporting from "credible" high ranking law enforcement during all this.

[kathy88]

So interesting that the tragedy du jour always seems to coincide with upcoming legislation.

[Brian4Liberty]

Lieberman retired.

Lol, no wonder his droopy face hasn't been on the idiot box lately.


I predict he comes out of retirement for this one.

He might come out of the grave for another battle against the Constitution.

[S.Shorland]

This boy will be 'the book that never ends'.

[angelatc]

He's a talkative guy given his medical condition. Not just everyone can go from being intubated and sedated to giving a detailed account of their recent activities in a day's time.

His condition has been upgraded to fair.

[ClydeCoulter]

You are all conspiracy theorists. Why wouldn't they tell the truth about the investigation of the boy. Sheesh, some people never learn. Next, you'll be saying that they have been lying all along and that the video that looks like the older brother being arrested really is. What's in it for the PTB? /sarc

[WhistlinDave]

I wonder if anyone were to get ahold of his notes in the hospital if they actually say something more like, "Fuck you! I told you five times already the FBI hired us to play the part in a drill and they were going to pay us $10,000.00 each and they gave us those backpacks and told us they weren't real bombs!!"

[AngryCanadian]

You are all conspiracy theorists. Why wouldn't they tell the truth about the investigation of the boy. Sheesh, some people never learn. Next, you'll be saying that they have been lying all along and that the video that looks like the older brother being arrested really is. What's in it for the PTB? /sarc

You do know this is all in hand writing right? anyone could do that basically.

[kathy88]

I wonder if anyone were to get ahold of his notes in the hospital if they actually say something more like, "Fuck you! I told you five times already the FBI hired us to play the part in a drill and they were going to pay us $10,000.00 each and they gave us those backpacks and told us they weren't real bombs!!"

Yup. LOL. Too funny Dave.

[phill4paul]

You do know this is all in hand writing right? anyone could do that basically.

/sarc stand for "Sarcasm."

[WhistlinDave]

You are all conspiracy theorists. Why wouldn't they tell the truth about the investigation of the boy. Sheesh, some people never learn. Next, you'll be saying that they have been lying all along and that the video that looks like the older brother being arrested really is. What's in it for the PTB? /sarc

I do not trust the opinions of werewolves, and you, sir, clearly are one. Just look at your profile pic. :D

[Spikender]

I do not trust the opinions of werewolves, and you, sir, clearly are one. Just look at your profile pic. :D

Racist.

[RockEnds]

His condition has been upgraded to fair.

That just means he's not about to die. It doesn't mean he knows what day it is. Anytime I've been around someone waking up from being intubated and sedated, they've been confused and disoriented for some time after.

[jmdrake]

Possible interpretations:

1) The kid's telling the truth.

2) The kid's lying to protect whoever trained him.

3) The government's lying because they'd rather use this to attack the internet than anything else. We won't know because the kid can't talk and access to him is extremely limited.

4) The government's lying for some other reason.

[ClydeCoulter]

Possible interpretations:

1) The kid's telling the truth.

2) The kid's lying to protect whoever trained him.

3) The government's lying because they'd rather use this to attack the internet than anything else. We won't know because the kid can't talk and access to him is extremely limited.

4) The government's lying for some other reason.

5) The government's lying because they just can't stop it.

[tangent4ronpaul]

I've got good news and bad news.

The good: what the explosive was has been narrowed down.
The bad: one of the possibilities is the powder from commercially manufactured fireworks.

There are some catches here:
Commercial fireworks are illegal in Massachusetts.
It is illegal to purchase smokeless powder for reloading in Massachusetts without a firearms license. Considering that the bombers had 2 pistols and a M4 carbine as well as ammunition and none of them were licensed, it's feasible they got smokeless powder in the same way.

The default recipe for an explosive powder is the powder from match heads and sugar.

It came out today that the bombers learned to make explosives / bombs from inspire magazine which AQ puts out. The relative section on the explosive follows:

http://info.publicintelligence.net/CompleteInspire.pdf

There are two types of explosions:
First:
Chemical explosion. This explosion causes great pressure that would kill living beings within a certain
radius. Examples are all the military grade explosives such as TNT, C4 and RDX

Second:
Mechanical explosion. This results from the burning of an inflammable material within a confined space.
An example is putting gunpowder inside an iron pipe with a small opening enough only for a fuse. When the
gunpowder is ignited, great pressure results from the gunpowder turning into gases and which result in the
exploding of the iron pipe, turning it into shrapnel flying at high speed

1.
Inflammable substance
2.
Decoration lamp (what is normally used for Christmas trees)
3.
Iron pipe
A. Preparation of the inflammable substance
This substance is a mixture of two ingredients:
•
The substance found in heads of matches
•
Sugar
B. How to extract the inflammable substance

1.
Strike the head of the match softly with anything (here, we used a tube) to break up the inflammable
substance.
2.
Grind the substance and filter it to obtain a fine powder.
3.
In the picture you will see the fine powder and you add to it sugar equivalent to ¼ its quantity.
4.
Mix the two substances until they become uniform in color.

You may substitute the inflammable substance extracted from matches by gunpowder used in cartilages. You may
also use powder from fireworks instead.
Note: You do not have to use one substance. You may mix together the substance from matches, gunpowder and
fireworks but when doing so you need to mix it well.

The inflammable
substance used to fill it
was extracted from 80
match heads.
The explosion that
results from this device is a mechanical one. It results from the pressure caused by the gases and therefore
it only works if contained in a high pressure environment. So you may use iron pipes, pressure cookers,
fire extinguishers, or empty propane canisters. The point is that the inflammable substance needs to be

contained in a strong container that would allow the pressure to build up and thus cause
a damaging explosion.
However in order to fill for example, a pressurized cooker with the substance from
matches, it may take a lot of matches to do so and therefore you may want to use
gunpowder or the powder from fireworks


http://www.safekids.org/in-your-area/safety-laws/fireworks-106.html
Fireworks Law (Massachusetts)
Law Summary
In Massachusetts, it is illegal to sell, or keep or offer for sale, or have in your possession, or under your control, or use, or explode, or cause to explode fireworks, including sparklers.

http://www.massreloading.com/ma_ammunition_regulations.html

MA Ammo and Component Storage Regulations
A Massachusetts resident must have a valid firearms license to possess ammunition. * There's a twist... Massachusetts General Laws Chapter 140 Section 122 defines ammunition as:
"cartridges or cartridge cases, primers (igniter), bullets or propellant powder designed for use in any firearm, rifle or shotgun"
In other words, you must have a firearms license to even possess an ammunition component.
As hard as this is to believe, the Commonwealth also regulates the quantity of ammunition and components that you may store in your home. * CMR 527 Section 13.04 sets the limits on ammunition and component storage. * Without a special permit, you can store:
Not more than 10,000 rounds of rimfire ammunition
Not more than 10,000 rounds of centerfire rifle/pistol ammunition
Not more than 5,000 rounds of shotgun ammunition
Not more than 1000 primers
Not more than 16 pounds of smokeless powder
Not more than 2 pounds of black powder
CMR 527 Section 13.04 also stipulates that an ammunition storage permit can be obtained from the head of the local fire department. * With a storage permit, you can store:
Up to 30,000 rounds of rimfire ammunition*
Up to 50,000 rounds of centerfire rifle/pistol ammunition*
Up to 50,000 rounds of shotgun ammunition*
Up to 10,000 primers
Not more than 48 pounds of smokeless powder
Not more than 5 pounds of black powder
* Total of all ammunition cannot exceed 100,000 rounds
Here's a tip: * Before you make a trip to the local fire department to get an ammo storage permit, download a copy of 527 CMR 13 and print pages 6 and 7. * It's possible that the fire chief will have never heard of it.
One last thing... CMR 527 Section 13.04 states that "ammunition, primers, smokeless propellants and black powder shall be stored in original containers and such containers shall be stored in a locked cabinet, closet or box when not in use."

-t

[affa]

welp, everybody that reads this thread just got added to yet another list.

[sailingaway]

sure he did. I don't care if you can, I can just imagine them deciding it's against the law for people to learn to read because they might do something bad with the knowledge, or ban stuff on the internet or something.

[tangent4ronpaul]

OK, so in summary, all we have to do to prevent another Boston Marathon bombing is some common sense controls on certain items... We need to ban:

matches
sugar
smokeless powder
ammo
commercial fireworks
firework fuse
cell phones
kitchen timers
Christmas tree lights
iron pipe
fire extinguishers
pressure cookers
propane tanks
nails
ball bearings
daypacks

That's not too much to ask, is it?

It's for the CHILDREN!!!!!

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

//

[erowe1]

What I have here is the media whom I don't trust reporting to me what some investigator whom I don't trust told them about what their suspect whom I don't trust said.

[tangent4ronpaul]

What I have here is the media whom I don't trust reporting to me what some investigator whom I don't trust told them about what their suspect whom I don't trust said.

Great observation!
+rep

-t

[WhistlinDave]

OK, so in summary, all we have to do to prevent another Boston Marathon bombing is some common sense controls on certain items... We need to ban:

matches
sugar
smokeless powder
ammo
commercial fireworks
firework fuse
cell phones
kitchen timers
Christmas tree lights
iron pipe
fire extinguishers
pressure cookers
propane tanks
nails
ball bearings
daypacks

That's not too much to ask, is it?

It's for the CHILDREN!!!!!

-t

You forgot marathons.

[tangent4ronpaul]

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/boston-bombs-built-fireworks/story?id=19028841#.UXh_h7WG1CM

Law enforcement officials told ABC News that it now appears that Tamerlan Tsarnaev began gathering materials for the explosives at least two months ago, when he was spotted at a New Hampshire fireworks store. The store told the FBI that it sold $400-worth of fireworks in February to the accused Boston bomber.

The gunpowder in fireworks is often used in bombs.

"He just wanted the biggest, loudest stuff we had in the store," said Megan Kearns, the assistant manager of Phantom Fireworks, in an interview with ABC News affiliate WMUR.

Kearns said Tsarnaev -- the older of the two brothers now accused in the blast -- bought two large reloadable mortar kits during a two-for-one sale. She said she remembered Tamerlan because of his Russian accent. The store has since confirmed his purchase with store records.

"Pretty much the only thing that was remarkable about him was that he had a Russian accent, which we don't get too many people in here who have Russian accents," she said.

The amount of gunpowder that could be harvested from the kits -- less than half a pound -- would not have been enough to detonate the Boston bombs, Phantom Fireworks VP William Weimer said.

Fireworks have often been used by terrorists to power their bombs, including by the man who tried but failed to detonate a car bomb in Times Square. He bought fireworks from a different Phantom Fireworks store, in Pennsylvania.

"Fireworks will give you what you need in terms of blast," said Kevin Barry, retired detective first grade, NYPD Bomb Squad.

[VIDEO] at link. Fireworks part is near the beginning. It's long.

-t