Photos of a Boston shootout vs Aunt identifying the naked guy as her nephew

[JoshLowry]

http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/7743337-boston-bombing-suspect-shootout-pictures

VS

skip to 6m 09s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRkky5nWdWA


video of arrest (skip to 30 seconds)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GPo-h5W7Ow&t=30s&hd=1

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/12754765/img/Anonymous/BostonBrother-NakedManArrested.bmp

:confused:

[The Northbreather]

Thanks for this.

Strange indeed.

[The Northbreather]

Same unique torso build

[DGambler]

same hairline.

However, someone will be along shortly to tell you the photos are too grainy to discern anything.

[eric_cartman]

i was a bit sceptical about this because the footage isn't very good quality... but that hairline is a pretty bang on match... in combination with the muscles and the aunt claiming it was him... this certainly looks very fishy.

though i can already hear the debunkers: if this was a conspiracy... why would they kill him after showing him on film? wouldn't all the cops there know the truth?

hopefully enough people will be talking about this to force the mainstream media to cover this and get an answer as to who the "naked man" really is from official sources. maybe they'll find a look-alike CIA actor to play "naked man"?

[JoshLowry]

same hairline.

However, someone will be along shortly to tell you the photos are too grainy to discern anything.

The bracelet website pics showing a shootout have less detail at this point in time imo. Not very high res. Waiting to see if they have better ones.

This is such a crazy news story to be following.

[Brett85]

This is really strange. It's even stranger that the Aunt knew what her nephew looked like naked.

[sailingaway]

there were other pics, there was one of him on the ground and I didn't think it was the guy thinking back, but I didn't see it after the aunt said this. I'll see if I can find it.

[sailingaway]

this almost doesn't even look the same. I will try to find more:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIMOvxaCEAAB-i9.png:large

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/325119811971584000/photo/1

this might have been some other guy they made lie on the ground

[JoshLowry]

this almost doesn't even look the same. I will try to find more:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIMOvxaCEAAB-i9.png:large

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/325119811971584000/photo/1

this might have been some other guy they made lie on the ground

Yes, this person is different than the naked guy imo. They practically make him out to be the "SAME" naked guy.

"Unclear same location" "Uncertain that this is same spot"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFtBDzYyvlM

[DGambler]

same hairline.

However, someone will be along shortly to tell you the photos are too grainy to discern anything.

I hope some kind soul on the Internet puts together a timeline coupled with a map... I've lost the thread on the story with all these competing points of view.

[sailingaway]

Looks like same guy:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIMk_-1CcAAZKy0.jpg:large

twitter was saying this was the guy who was stripped but others were saying he was someone else.... https://twitter.com/sleazoidexpress/status/325144279708233728/photo/1

[The Northbreather]

Doesn't it seem odd that Wolf Blitzer kept apologizing for running a ten second delay on the "live" news feed.

[RickyJ]

If that wasn't the older brother then it had to be almost a twin of his. I think it might have been him. If it was him, they probably lied about almost everything!

[sailingaway]

so maybe this was just confused with the naked guy. I thought they were the same person, last night.

[sailingaway]

this is what people were saying (bottom up)

HuffPost Media ‏@HuffPostMedia 19 Apr
RT @davidcharns: CNN: The man who was on the ground, told to strip naked and then questioned, has been released.

Matthew Keys ‏@TheMatthewKeys 19 Apr
RT @davidcharns: CNN: The man who was on the ground, told to strip naked and then questioned, has been released.

David Charns ‏@davidcharns 19 Apr
CNN: The man who was on the ground, told to strip naked and then questioned, has been released.

Jeffrey McRaney ‏@Jeffrey_Jay12 19 Apr
Now they're saying that the guy on the ground was the naked guy and also the guy they were taking pictures of. Jesus Christ

EvelynChampagneKing ‏@Ryses_Pyses 19 Apr
Who's the naked guy?!?!? And the white dude that was on the ground?

Sonoma Josh ‏@JoshSouthworth 19 Apr
Twitter help.. Who is naked guy? and who is guy laying on ground with palms up?

Pro-Democracy Esq. ‏@wycam1 19 Apr
Ok..who is naked, who is on the ground, who is dead and who is missing? #mediafail

but I honestly thought I remembered seeing a naked guy on the ground. Still looking.

[speciallyblend]

The bracelet website pics showing a shootout have less detail at this point in time imo. Not very high res. Waiting to see if they have better ones.

This is such a crazy news story to be following.

i had posted this video the other day just wasn't sure. So aunt is saying it was him. things that make you go hmmm.

[sailingaway]

well this isn't really helpful it is essentially what you have, part graphic http://t.co/5NkNm17kGl

LJ ‏@rebelready now
@marlws @An0nkn0wledge http://audio.weei.com/a/73784687/linda-calls-in-to-describe-the-scene-on-dexter-st-in-watertown.htm#q=linda … pic.twitter.com/5NkNm17kGl

[mad cow]

If he looked a lot like the dude they were looking for,all the more reason to strip him naked(check for guns,bombs) before releasing him.

If he(or she)looked nothing like the person they were looking for,they probably wouldn't have been stopped in the first place.

[sailingaway]

this is supposed to be a picture of the scene where the younger brother ran over the older one, the next day (blood) http://instagram.com/p/YVmwzMuXq0/

[RickyJ]

If he looked a lot like the dude they were looking for,all the more reason to strip him naked(check for guns,bombs) before releasing him.

If he(or she)looked nothing like the person they were looking for,they probably wouldn't have been stopped in the first place.

Well they had another guy on the ground that looked nothing like either of them. So they weren't being too picky with how they looked, they apparently went after anyone that night that dared to not obey their orders immediately.

[sailingaway]

this picture no longer exists but the account on twitter is an 'egg' no avatar, which is unusual, might have been spam

The Herald ‏@JHHerald 20 Apr
Unconfirmed. RT @carolynryan WOW. Photo of suspect on ground. http://twitter.com/Hossenator/status/325419984954208257/photo/1pic.twitter.com/B69dSuayCl ”

[RickyJ]

this is supposed to be a picture of the scene where the younger brother ran over the older one, the next day (blood) http://instagram.com/p/YVmwzMuXq0/

That doesn't look like a blood stain to me. I am fairly sure that is not a blood stain at all.

[JoshLowry]

That doesn't look like a blood stain to me. I am fairly sure that is not a blood stain at all.

Previous day (graphic)

http://i.imgur.com/12DMria.jpg

What a spot to end up. Bleeding out on the red column of a chalk drawn USA.

Amazing. Amazing.

[mad cow]

The argument,by the aunt and by many here,is that the dude who was stripped naked was either the terrorist or looked a whole lot like the terrorist.
Were they stripping people naked who looked nothing like the terrorist?How many?That would definitely deserve it's own thread if true.

[jkob]

Guy being arrested doesn't have chest hair as far as I can tell, dead body has the same as the boxing pic.

[juleswin]

If this story is true, then the lady eyewitness that called into the radio show and must be lying because according to her, the older brother was killed on the street. I dont know what to believe anymore

[Ranger29860]

There was more video of the naked guy walking around. They video showed him getting out of the cop car and being stood up against a brick wall and having an fbi agent photograph him. You can planely tell at that point its the blondish hair dude from other pics of him laying face down on the ground. Sadly youtube and everywhere else is flooded with the other scene so that one is being a pain to find but I will post it as soon as I find it. Anyone else that saw that video please say something.

[eric_cartman]

here's an interesting scenario that seems to make some sense out of all this confusion:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2213300/pg1

the poster basically says there are doubles for each of the brothers.

the real older brother is the naked guy who is arrested and later killed. the guy who was run over was his double Mike Mulugeta.

the younger brother's double is Sunil Tripathi.

the younger brother and mike mulugeta (the older brother's body double) where the ones present at the maraton.

[Ranger29860]

I am still looking for that other video but I did notice something else while looking. The lack of chest hair. Now at first I figured that was due to the quality of shot and such a low resolution but after about the 5th video I noticed you can see his nipples, now the same algorithm that compresses files would have compressed the nipples also if the chest hair dissapeard. Now if you look t both his boxing picture and his death bed picture you can see he has very dark very coarse hair that covers most of his upper chest even obscuring his nipples.

So what would have had to happen if that was him naked is he would have had to shave his chest then somehow grow it all back by the time the hospital picture is taken.

[kcchiefs6465]

Previous day (graphic)

http://i.imgur.com/12DMria.jpg

What a spot to end up. Bleeding out on the red column of a chalk drawn USA.

Amazing. Amazing.
I would imagine that some kid did that afterwards.

Pretty damn sad.

[J_White]

confusion reigns !!
if i try to be perfectly rational, i would think that both those guys (naked one and the one on the ground) are different and also not one of the "bombers".

[anaconda]

I started the following thread yesterday, primarily with the intention of locating some media follow up or witnesses regarding the naked arrested guy who was placed into the squad car.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?412090-Is-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev-Alive-And-Well

[sailingaway]

well these are the only other pictures I found of the naked guy and you already may have them. People were saying the suspect was run over by a car, though. But there was a lot of confusion on where the guy on the ground and the naked guy fit in. It just sounded like twitter confusion though.


I know someone got ran over and is dead. I've read it a couple times on twitter. Did a quick google search and I find a story:

http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/04/watertown-explosions-gunfire-ieds-manhunt/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIMu1eZCMAEWPMB.png:large https://twitter.com/MattWilliams06/status/325155094322622464/photo/1

http://3acef472ce67bde310cf-07f910c1d0e2016536f5b25f3d4975da.r62.cf1.rackcdn.c om/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/suspect-in-custody.jpg
Robert Stacy McCain ‏@rsmccain now
UPDATE - BOSTON / WATERTOWN Photo suspect being detained, naked http://www.viralread.com/2013/04/19/...-one-at-large/ … - via @adamhose @ViralRead "SUSPECT NUMBER ONE"?
http://www.viralread.com/2013/04/19/breaking-shooting-at-mit-one-suspect-in-custody-in-watertown-ma-one-at-large/

[sailingaway]

here's an interesting scenario that seems to make some sense out of all this confusion:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2213300/pg1

the poster basically says there are doubles for each of the brothers.

the real older brother is the naked guy who is arrested and later killed. the guy who was run over was his double Mike Mulugeta.

the younger brother's double is Sunil Tripathi.

the younger brother and mike mulugeta (the older brother's body double) where the ones present at the maraton.

there were two wrong people identified first, a missing Indian guy and another guy, Mulugeta. Neither were involved but some news guy 'confirmed' it, likely just based on the reddit speculation. Anyhow, it is a reason for due process.. But midway through the night, the police were clear on who the suspects were, right around the time they had suspect 1 on the way to the hospital, or just before.

[anaconda]

here's an interesting scenario that seems to make some sense out of all this confusion:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2213300/pg1

the poster basically says there are doubles for each of the brothers.

the real older brother is the naked guy who is arrested and later killed. the guy who was run over was his double Mike Mulugeta.

the younger brother's double is Sunil Tripathi.

the younger brother and mike mulugeta (the older brother's body double) where the ones present at the maraton.

But if there were two separate shoot outs involving local police, wouldn't they have duplicates in the morgue? And wouldn't it become immediately clear that these two shoot outs happened at different locations, and that they could not double for one another unless the local cops were in on it, which is impossible I would think? Were the shootouts with local police or with strange Men In Black? And if Mike was killed, we would expect to never hear from him again. And if the suspect in custody is Sunil, he can never be brought to trial without exposing the plot. So this scenario doesn't make sense to me.

[anaconda]

here's an interesting scenario that seems to make some sense out of all this confusion:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2213300/pg1

the poster basically says there are doubles for each of the brothers.

the real older brother is the naked guy who is arrested and later killed. the guy who was run over was his double Mike Mulugeta.

the younger brother's double is Sunil Tripathi.

the younger brother and mike mulugeta (the older brother's body double) where the ones present at the maraton.

Does anyone else have problems with the Godlikeproductions site changing into some useless page that wants you to register for an account?

[anaconda]

this almost doesn't even look the same. I will try to find more:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIMOvxaCEAAB-i9.png:large

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/325119811971584000/photo/1

this might have been some other guy they made lie on the ground

I'm not sure how anyone can deduce much of anything about this photo.

[mad cow]

I'm not sure how anyone can deduce much of anything about this photo.

I know that I saw better photo(s) of this guy on that long thread the night it happened.Either on the thread or linked from it.
One or more photo(s) showed both hands with the heels of the hands on the ground and the fingers off the ground.
Much clearer than this.

[Mach]

CNN actual video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcNAsCynBnU

GRAPHIC VIDEO (must sign in to view)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sDSp5G63Lw

MISC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Te9mMuhag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS8CAUFFSMU

[WhistlinDave]

though i can already hear the debunkers: if this was a conspiracy... why would they kill him after showing him on film? wouldn't all the cops there know the truth?

If naked guy was the older brother, he could've been taken away, and the rest of the cops at the scene there could be told soon after that it wasn't the right guy after all, was someone else. So maybe a lot of them who weren't right on the front line of fire wouldn't know the truth. And those who did, probably wouldn't question it or speak up, because they're just happy the bad guy is dead. (This is all if that naked guy really was Tamerlan of course.)

[WhistlinDave]

I am still looking for that other video but I did notice something else while looking. The lack of chest hair. Now at first I figured that was due to the quality of shot and such a low resolution but after about the 5th video I noticed you can see his nipples, now the same algorithm that compresses files would have compressed the nipples also if the chest hair dissapeard. Now if you look t both his boxing picture and his death bed picture you can see he has very dark very coarse hair that covers most of his upper chest even obscuring his nipples.

So what would have had to happen if that was him naked is he would have had to shave his chest then somehow grow it all back by the time the hospital picture is taken.

If it was him, is it possible the lighting (blue cruiser siren) in that video was so bright it just washed out the chest hair so we can't really see it? Bright lighting in a dark setting can do funny things sometimes with video, especially from a distance like that. Probably unlikely, but I have to wonder. Anybody here have a lot of experience with filming, and lighting, with any thoughts on this?

[jkob]

There's just no way that guy and the dead body are the same person. The video is good enough to tell the naked guy has no chest hair, the dead body(and the pictures of Tamerlan as a boxer) show him with quite a hairy chest. Tamerlan was already reported dead at the time of that video. The aunt hadn't seen the boys in years so she is not a credible source.

Furthermore, why would they fake his death? What purpose would that serve? I assume you also believe that he was actually framed for the bombing as well? A conspiracy would make more sense if there was actually something to conspire. Are they going to invade Chechnya? No. Are they going use it to pass legislation? Doesn't seem like it. Are Republican/Democrats scoring points off it? Not really.

There just being another athletically built guy with dark short crop hair being caught in the middle of this massive police operation seems way more likely.

[WhistlinDave]

If it was him, is it possible the lighting (blue cruiser siren) in that video was so bright it just washed out the chest hair so we can't really see it? Bright lighting in a dark setting can do funny things sometimes with video, especially from a distance like that. Probably unlikely, but I have to wonder. Anybody here have a lot of experience with filming, and lighting, with any thoughts on this?


OK so I decided to play with this idea a little and I took one of the videos above, and brought it up on YouTube in a larger viewer/screen, and I paused it at various intervals to see if I could get some frames where the light was at a lower level in its flashing, to see if I could spot the appearance of chest hair.


http://imageshack.us/a/img571/2813/maybetamerlanb1.jpg


This isn't really conclusive at all, but if you want to see chest hair iin some of these frames, I think you can. In the brightest frames, you can't see it, and as the video plays, you can't see it in the bright flashing lights, but in the moments when the light isn't so bright, I think I might see chest hair.


http://imageshack.us/a/img839/5743/maybetamerlanb2.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img827/3533/maybetamerlanb3.jpg


You can do experiment with this yourself without taking screen caps; just play one of the videos and pause it, and then advance it little by little with a fast double click on the pause button to stop & restart it quickly.


http://imageshack.us/a/img33/8020/maybetamerlanb5.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img802/4673/maybetamerlanb6.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img687/4357/maybetamerlanb7.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img62/6016/maybetamerlanb8.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img694/1585/maybetamerlanb9.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img834/5324/maybetamerlanb10.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img22/6387/maybetamerlanb11.jpg

[jmdrake]

I hope some kind soul on the Internet puts together a timeline coupled with a map... I've lost the thread on the story with all these competing points of view.

You mean like the complete 9/11 timeline?

http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

They might be willing to set one up for the Boston bomber.

[V3n]

A lot of male athletes and body-builders shave their chest-hair. Just because he had hair in one picture doesn't mean he always kept it that way.

[jmdrake]

A lot of male athletes and body-builders shave their chest-hair. Just because he had hair in one picture doesn't mean he always kept it that way.

Excellent point!

[jmdrake]

Furthermore, why would they fake his death? What purpose would that serve? I assume you also believe that he was actually framed for the bombing as well? A conspiracy would make more sense if there was actually something to conspire. Are they going to invade Chechnya? No. Are they going use it to pass legislation? Doesn't seem like it. Are Republican/Democrats scoring points off it? Not really.


Are you kidding me? This attack has already been used in arguments supporting CISPA and for legislation against black powder and for trying yet again for an assault weapons ban. Funding that had been cut for National Guard WMD teams was rescinded after the bombing. There's already been quite a bit of big governent benefit from the bombing, and the statists/opportunists are just getting warmed up.

[Cap]

Bears repeating, where is the dash-cam/official video of the shootout?

[Petar]

Here is another pic of an arrest that was floating around at the time of Tamerlan's capture. I don't know if it is legitimate:

http://i.imgur.com/Kmbl1dV.jpg

[angelatc]

http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/7743337-boston-bombing-suspect-shootout-pictures

VS

skip to 6m 09s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRkky5nWdWA


video of arrest (skip to 30 seconds)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GPo-h5W7Ow&t=30s&hd=1

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/12754765/img/Anonymous/BostonBrother-NakedManArrested.bmp

:confused:

The picture from the Golden Gloves story is several years old. Nephew shaves. Also, there is an interview out there somewhere with the naked guy.

If there were eyewitness reports, it would be one thing. But none of these people, including the Aunt (except for the woman who says the cops ran over the brother) were actually there. Neither were we.

[angelatc]

Doesn't it seem odd that Wolf Blitzer kept apologizing for running a ten second delay on the "live" news feed.

No, because almost all the stations do that, partially because they once aired a live suicide when they were live.

[FrankRep]

Police Say The Naked Man Arrested In Boston Was Not Tamerlan Tsarnaev
http://www.infowars.com/police-say-the-naked-man-arrested-in-boston-was-not-tamerlan-tsarnaev/



This report (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313333/Boston-Marathon-bombings-Carjack-victim-spared-suspects-wasnt-American.html) in the UK Daily Mail states that the individual in this video is a Chinese national. Does he look Chinese to you?


On Thursday night while police were hunting in Watertown, Mass. for bombing suspects Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, at one point they arrested a naked man who looks a lot like Tamerlan.

Police say the naked man is not Tamerlan, despite various conspiracy theories going around the Internet.

According to the official account, Tamerlan died after a shootout with cops, riddled with bullets and shrapnel before being run over by his brother who was fleeing the scene in an SUV.

Take a look:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x9D8mz83ht8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=x9D8mz83ht8

[angelatc]

Bears repeating, where is the dash-cam/official video of the shootout?

FIle an FOIA request. Then you can start yammering that the footage is doctored.

[angelatc]

A lot of male athletes and body-builders shave their chest-hair. Just because he had hair in one picture doesn't mean he always kept it that way.


But he was trying to make the Olympic team in the first picture, and had stopped training in 2011. So it really makes very little sense that he would shave when he wasn't in training, if he didn't train when he was in training.

Not to mention the picture of him being dead clearly shows chest hair.

[angelatc]

i had posted this video the other day just wasn't sure. So aunt is saying it was him. things that make you go hmmm.


I am really starting to question whether or not pot should be legalized.

[ClydeCoulter]

Has anyone thought about what she said at 9:00? (edit: I saw no discussion on that)

[V3n]

eye-witness photographic events of the shootout with the police:

http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/7743337-boston-bombing-suspect-shootout-pictures

[sailingaway]

Has anyone thought about what she said at 9:00? (edit: I saw no discussion on that)

I think she is referring to the prior interview(s) the FBI had with the older brother in something like 2009 or 2011 based on requests/tips by the Russian government alleging that he was involved with militant radicals. The aunt apparently thinks that was a) wrong information, and that b) once the FBI had that information, they were set on thinking her nephews were the Boston marathon bombers just because they were/may have been at the marathon.

I have a bunch of thoughts on this after reading thousands and thousands of tweets last night, and I think I have cleared up to my own satisfaction the naked guy -- until I saw the post here just now saying the police say the naked guy wasn't the older brother. In my mind the easiest way to explain it is the naked guy WAS the older brother, but the confusion about him 'being released' really applied to the light haired guy in the track pants they had lying on the ground. There was a lot of confusion on the scanner listening crowd about was that one guy or was it two guys, one naked guy and one guy on the ground. I already posted the picture of the guy on the ground. I will say I THOUGHT I had seen a picture of the naked guy naked on the ground, but I could have been wrong, I didn't see it in the thread, and I had thought I'd posted it. The one I posted was of the light haired guy. But it doesn't really matter. I'm now wondering if the infowars report that the police said the naked guy wasn't the older brother might be that the guy on the ground wasn't the older brother, because people were so sure the naked guy WAS the guy on the ground, and looking at the pictures together with the tweets last night, I no longer believe that.

So, my question is, is there any reason to think the naked guy was not the older brother who was then run over by the younger brother? My question is how did the younger brother get a car? Last I'd heared he was running on foot from the scene, not racing back to all the police in a car, but over the scanner it was clear someone got run over (not who did it). That is sort of the link I am missing.

As to the chest hair, my conclusion was that it just didn't show up in that light and blurry camera picture.

I will say that following twitter and the scanner (mostly second hand from twitter), I was very impressed with the Boston Police Department, I had police envy, after Dorner.

[ClydeCoulter]

No, sailingaway, she said "They had them long before, before their names were released...". Listen again. She's talking about days, not years.

[sailingaway]

Here is another pic of an arrest that was floating around at the time of Tamerlan's capture. I don't know if it is legitimate:

http://i.imgur.com/Kmbl1dV.jpg

I don't think that was him, but I am not certain. There were a bunch of people cuffed, a 70 year old man on the ground that they thought 'had a device' which turned out to be nothing, a guy with a backpack in a cab who was just unlucky enough to be out, there could be pictures of all of them somewhere. I wasn't sure from the timeline if this was supposed to be one of the naked guy pair of people (there was the naked guy AND the guy on the ground, I'm pretty sure now) but I thought not ultimately.

[sailingaway]

No, sailingaway, she said "They had them long before, before their names were released...". Listen again. She's talking about days, not years.

I didn't hear it the way you did, and thought she was talking about them years ago, because I knew the older brother had been questioned years ago, at least listening I don't hear anything contradictory to that, to me. It is clear she thinks they were framed, but she is their aunt, so...

[V3n]

I thought she meant that she thought they had them days before. Like as soon as they released the photos to the public, that they had already had them.

[sailingaway]

I also found a site that raises questions to me, as well, but I'm thinking I'm going to find answers ultimately. I just don't have them yet. I really had the impression the Boston PD was doing a great job under the circumstances, give or take the apparent identification of two entirely different people as the suspects where I think someone who believed the reddit stuff may have just said that over the scanner (or maybe a news station put the two together wrongly). Just because people were taking the scanner as gospel didn't mean the police speaking on the scanner weren't working in confusion at some points as well.

[Ender]

But he was trying to make the Olympic team in the first picture, and had stopped training in 2011. So it really makes very little sense that he would shave when he wasn't in training, if he didn't train when he was in training.

Not to mention the picture of him being dead clearly shows chest hair.

The lights obscure the chest hair- the pic of his profile is the telling one. Same hairline, same eyebrows etc. Either its the brother or he had a twin.

[pcosmar]

If he looked a lot like the dude they were looking for,all the more reason to strip him naked(check for guns,bombs) before releasing him.

If he(or she)looked nothing like the person they were looking for,they probably wouldn't have been stopped in the first place.

Huh? wut?

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130207-blue-truck-lapd-hmed-5p.photoblog600.jpg


Short term memory loss? or is it selective?

And just how many people did they strip search?

[ClydeCoulter]

I didn't hear it the way you did, and thought she was talking about them years ago, because I knew the older brother had been questioned years ago, at least listening I don't hear anything contradictory to that, to me. It is clear she thinks they were framed, but she is their aunt, so...

"...They had them long before (edit: They were discussing the boat incident), and the rest was concocted" sounds like more recent.

[sailingaway]

I thought she meant that she thought they had them days before. Like as soon as they released the photos to the public, that they had already had them.

It is possible they picked them up to interview before? Between the marathon and the Watertown stuff? Would that make a difference? Anyhow, I'm going to pull up that other site I saw that raised some questions I just can't explain yet (but think I ultimately will) because it had a bunch of the theories I've seen on here all wrapped up in one place, but I'm going to put it in Hot Topics to discuss, because I think we are all just trying to figure it out at this point. So much incorrect information was put out as events were unfolding and people were reporting confusion that you can find contradictory stuff -- but I don't really think it is going to end up being more than that.

[klamath]

But he was trying to make the Olympic team in the first picture, and had stopped training in 2011. So it really makes very little sense that he would shave when he wasn't in training, if he didn't train when he was in training.

Not to mention the picture of him being dead clearly shows chest hair.
Very obviously NOT the same guy because of the chest hair. I am sure that if they had arrested the naked guy, people on here would be saying "They got the wrong GUY! Look at the cheast hair!" In that case they would have a point.

[angelatc]

The lights obscure the chest hair- the pic of his profile is the telling one. Same hairline, same eyebrows etc. Either its the brother or he had a twin.

The lights obscure the chest hair? A blurry outline is more reputable than a well lit shot. That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Sailing asked, "So, my question is, is there any reason to think the naked guy was not the older brother who was then run over by the younger brother?"

Yes - there is an interview out there somewhere with naked guy. After he was dressed, of course. It was on a Boston station, not the national news.

[ClydeCoulter]

The lights obscure the chest hair? A blurry outline is more reputable than a well lit shot. That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Sailing asked, "So, my question is, is there any reason to think the naked guy was not the older brother who was then run over by the younger brother?"

Yes - there is an interview out there somewhere with naked guy. After he was dressed, of course. It was on a Boston station, not the national news.

Do you have a link to a 'tube of that? Any evidence is helpful. Believe it or not, many of us are willing to see the truth, but it is the truth that we are after. A lot rides on the truth.

[Petar]

The lights obscure the chest hair? A blurry outline is more reputable than a well lit shot. That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Sailing asked, "So, my question is, is there any reason to think the naked guy was not the older brother who was then run over by the younger brother?"

Yes - there is an interview out there somewhere with naked guy. After he was dressed, of course. It was on a Boston station, not the national news.

Looking forward to seeing that video, because as of now all I know is that a doppelganger of Tamerlan is seen walking around naked, but there are no pictures of Tamerlan getting arrested.

[Neil Desmond]

Where was the naked guy when the older brother was killed? Was the naked guy in custody or somewhere else?

If those two other guys are doubles for the brothers, would that explain who the carjackers who claimed to be the bombers actually were?

[Neil Desmond]

Oh, and could it be that the naked guy is indeed the older brother, the nephew of the aunt, they let him go, then later he came back and had a clash with the police & that's when they killed him? I'm just trying to figure out all possibilities right now.

[angelatc]

Do you have a link to a 'tube of that? Any evidence is helpful. Believe it or not, many of us are willing to see the truth, but it is the truth that we are after. A lot rides on the truth.

I didn't see it on YouTube. It was on one of the local Boston stations. I didn't know the crazies were going to zero in on it, or I would have saved it....because there's nothing I would like more than to once again slam this ridiculous nonsense down. The fact that this thread exists indicates that the truth isn't really the end game here.

[eric_cartman]

Oh, and could it be that the naked guy is indeed the older brother, the nephew of the aunt, they let him go, then later he came back and had a clash with the police & that's when they killed him? I'm just trying to figure out all possibilities right now.

the body double theory has the real older brother as the naked man who is arrested.

the body double of the older brother is the one who was run over and shot by police.

they then kill the real older brother to match up with what they did to the body double.

the only thing that doesn't add up with the naked man being the older brother is the chest hair. otherwise, it seems like a clear match.

so there's an exact match for the hairline and muscle tone, plus the aunt's claim that it was him... and the contradicting evidence is the lack of chest hair on the naked man, but the presence of chest hair on the dead body of the older brother.

we need someone with a similar amount of chest hair to take a video of themselves at night next to a police car with their sirens on at night to see how well chest hair shows up in that environment

[phill4paul]

Some highlight/shadow editing of shoot out...
http://i.imgur.com/xXsihOL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xXsihOL.jpg

[Petar]

I didn't see it on YouTube. It was on one of the local Boston stations. I didn't know the crazies were going to zero in on it, or I would have saved it....because there's nothing I would like more than to once again slam this ridiculous nonsense down. The fact that this thread exists indicates that the truth isn't really the end game here.

What are you talking about, we are just trying to figure out what is going on. I mean maybe some people have some stupid theories, but how dumb would it be to just take everything that the media and government say for granted? I know you are an intelligent lady, so your hostility towards those seeking proof of things kind of confuses me. You aren't a reptillian are you? Ha.

[phill4paul]

The fact that this thread exists indicates that the truth isn't really the end game here.

Who are you to say what is or is not the end game? Are you suggesting Josh had an ulterior motive for posting this? Or that many of us are gathering information that is not MSM for....what exactly?

[ClydeCoulter]

I didn't see it on YouTube. It was on one of the local Boston stations. I didn't know the crazies were going to zero in on it, or I would have saved it....because there's nothing I would like more than to once again slam this ridiculous nonsense down. The fact that this thread exists indicates that the truth isn't really the end game here.

Are you saying, that giving the aunts statements consideration is evidence that we aren't looking for the truth?

[Neil Desmond]

If those two other guys are doubles for the brothers, would that explain who the carjackers who claimed to be the bombers actually were?
This is what I'm referring to, in case people aren't aware of it or familiar with it:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpwhkug5Qek

[affa]

Previous day (graphic)

http://i.imgur.com/12DMria.jpg

What a spot to end up. Bleeding out on the red column of a chalk drawn USA.

Amazing. Amazing.

I think he's meant to be the red column. That is... I think some sick soul might have gone in there and drawn that after the fact.

[affa]

here's an interesting scenario that seems to make some sense out of all this confusion:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2213300/pg1

the poster basically says there are doubles for each of the brothers.

the real older brother is the naked guy who is arrested and later killed. the guy who was run over was his double Mike Mulugeta.

the younger brother's double is Sunil Tripathi.

the younger brother and mike mulugeta (the older brother's body double) where the ones present at the maraton.

ok, that just did my head in.

for those that haven't read... it suggests they staged two events (the first shootout and the boat shootout) but let everything in between (marshal law lite) run it's path. so, 2 people were killed in the initial mega-shootout, they claimed one got away. then they let everybody search for most of a day and endcapped it with a staged boat shooting. at the boat, they killed the guy in the boat, but replaced him with the second.

not saying it's true by any means, but sure makes for a damn good conspiracy theory.

[angelatc]

What are you talking about, we are just trying to figure out what is going on. I mean maybe some people have some stupid theories, but how dumb would it be to just take everything that the media and government say for granted? I know you are an intelligent lady, so your hostility towards those seeking proof of things kind of confuses me. You aren't a reptillian are you? Ha.


I think it's crazy paranoid stoners coming up with a bizarre body-double theory that makes no damned sense. There is so little evidence pointing to a government conspiracy that you've resorted to making stuff up.

[affa]

But if there were two separate shoot outs involving local police, wouldn't they have duplicates in the morgue? And wouldn't it become immediately clear that these two shoot outs happened at different locations, and that they could not double for one another unless the local cops were in on it, which is impossible I would think? Were the shootouts with local police or with strange Men In Black? And if Mike was killed, we would expect to never hear from him again. And if the suspect in custody is Sunil, he can never be brought to trial without exposing the plot. So this scenario doesn't make sense to me.

i'm not trying to defend this scenario, because i think it makes far too great of a leap at this point... but the two shootouts were the main car one, and then the boat one. and yes, mike/sunil, in this theory, are very dead and will never see the light of day.
shootout 1 (cars) - killed 2. they claim one gets away.
shootout 2 (boat) - they put 1 in boat after calling it off. shoot him to start the cops coming, but replace him with 4th living one.
requires: 2 sets of lookalikes... which would be the brothers + sunil and mike.

again, i don't think it's what happened... or, at least, i think it's a stretch. but... it's internally consistent and theoretically could be pulled off. the 'echos', in the theory, allow them to have massive shootouts and then a long period of 'martial law', where they can pull out the replacements for another staged endcap event.

in other words, fix the front and end, and let the middle (tons of cops that have no idea anything odd is going on) go freestyle. only the people at each endcap event would be ops.

[angelatc]

Are you saying, that giving the aunts statements consideration is evidence that we aren't looking for the truth?


I am saying that the aunt wasn't there, so yes - her statement shouldn't bear much weight. I'd like to see the original video, because the people making money by driving conspiracy traffic to their sites have a habit of cherry picking images. for example, the earlier thread where the hat the bomber was wearing "was the same" as the security forces.

[ClydeCoulter]

I am saying that the aunt wasn't there, so yes - her statement shouldn't bear much weight. I'd like to see the original video, because the people making money by driving conspiracy traffic to their sites have a habit of cherry picking images. for example, the earlier thread where the hat the bomber was wearing "was the same" as the security forces.

Her statement that she recognized her nephew from the video has a little weight, to me. Perhaps she has seen him topless (boxing) a few times, as well as his face.

edit: And you are talking me in circles. I said that many of us are looking for the truth. You said that the existence of this thread shows that we aren't. I said, "Are you saying, that giving the aunts statements consideration is evidence that WE AREN'T LOOKING FOR THE TRUTH?", you respond as in the quote above.

[affa]

I am saying that the aunt wasn't there, so yes - her statement shouldn't bear much weight. I'd like to see the original video, because the people making money by driving conspiracy traffic to their sites have a habit of cherry picking images. for example, the earlier thread where the hat the bomber was wearing "was the same" as the security forces.

none of us were there. but, assuming the potential that there was a conspiracy, anyone who was there can't exactly be trusted. so we can only go on photos/videos/interviews.

and it's not like the official story hasn't changed a dozen times already.

[Petar]

I think it's crazy paranoid stoners coming up with a bizarre body-double theory that makes no damned sense. There is so little evidence pointing to a government conspiracy that you've resorted to making stuff up.

Well, I happen to believe that random speculation about body doubles seems pretty hair-brained, but I don't think that means that we should just stop going over all available info with a fine-toothed comb.

If Tamerlan's doppelganger is shown interviewed on video then that will help clear things up to a degree, but it's not like that alone will rule out the possibility of some government conspiracy.

We may never be able to prove or disprove government involvement in this case, but that doesn't mean a person is stupid if they guess that government was probably involved, until proven otherwise.

Either way, we need to keep going over everything in order to try and discern what the truth is.

[mad cow]

Huh? wut?

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130207-blue-truck-lapd-hmed-5p.photoblog600.jpg


Short term memory loss? or is it selective?

And just how many people did they strip search?

That picture was taken in California,thousands of miles away and weeks before the events in Boston/Watertown.

I asked the question,how many did they strip search and did any of them look nothing like the bomber in post #25 of this very thread.Never got an answer.

And my memory is fine,thanks for asking.

[Ender]

The lights obscure the chest hair? A blurry outline is more reputable than a well lit shot. That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Sailing asked, "So, my question is, is there any reason to think the naked guy was not the older brother who was then run over by the younger brother?"

Yes - there is an interview out there somewhere with naked guy. After he was dressed, of course. It was on a Boston station, not the national news.

Don't know much about light, eh?

Can you see his face in the light? No- it is obscured because of the angle and the intensity, etc. Same with the chest hair

[CPUd]

I think the naked guy may actually be a werewolf. If he's the same guy as the picture of the corpse, then it would explain how he was able to grow the hair so fast. We need to know what phase the moon was in to be sure, though.

[jkob]

The whole basis of this conspiracy is completely paranoid and makes zero logical sense. Why? To what end? Tamerlan was already reported dead at the hospital in the shootout with police, Dzhokhar was on the run. The guy in the video has some physical similarities but not all but the differences are ignored, the video isn't good enough to see his chest hair but it's good enough for some of you guys to make a 100% facial match somehow. What is the implication if it were him? That the dead body isn't him or that he was killed later and grew chest hair? Do you think the brother even committed the bombing? Body doubles, are you serious?

[ClydeCoulter]

Perhaps someone wants to make a "RPF Guys are crazy and believe in warewolves" thread so that we can stay on topic?

[Petar]

The whole basis of this conspiracy is completely paranoid and makes zero logical sense. Why? To what end? Tamerlan was already reported dead at the hospital in the shootout with police, Dzhokhar was on the run. The guy in the video has some physical similarities but not all but the differences are ignored, the video isn't good enough to see his chest hair but it's good enough for some of you guys to make a 100% facial match somehow. What is the implication if it were him? That the dead body isn't him or that he was killed later and grew chest hair? Do you think the brother even committed the bombing? Body doubles, are you serious?

The face may not be sharp, but the hairline is, and we can see that he has a very similar build.

Is the chest hair there but we simply can't see it? Who knows, that is what intelligent people are trying to figure out.

[WhistlinDave]

But he was trying to make the Olympic team in the first picture, and had stopped training in 2011. So it really makes very little sense that he would shave when he wasn't in training, if he didn't train when he was in training.

Not to mention the picture of him being dead clearly shows chest hair.

Do we know for sure that picture is of Tamerlan? I'm still trying to reconcile in my mind if it really looks enough like him to be him.

[CPUd]

They have some old boxing pics from 2011 in this video:

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/us/2013/04/22/lead-tapper-tsarnaev-wanted-to-boxer-duplicate-2.cnn

[JoshLowry]

Do we know for sure that picture is of Tamerlan? I'm still trying to reconcile in my mind if it really looks enough like him to be him.

No. I think we can all admit that it's a confusing story.

There is a lot of info flying at us, so we should look at it from every angle. There are many sides to this story, and I'm not one to be inventing or creating them.

I'm going over what is available and posting what other members haven't posted.

Since when do we take an "official" story for face value on any subject?

[Ender]

The face may not be sharp, but the hairline is, and we can see that he has a very similar build.

Is the chest hair there but we simply can't see it? Who knows, that is what intelligent people are trying to figure out.

We can't see his face in the light, either. Shall we assume he has no face?

The hairline and eyebrows are almost an exact match.

[Petar]

We can't see his face in the light, either. Shall we assume he has no face?

The hairline and eyebrows are almost an exact match.

It's disturbing how similar he looks, but it would be very surprising if he was arrested without injury in that firefight.

One has to wonder why no video of him being otherwise picked up exists though.

Hopefully some dash-cam footage clears things up?

Honestly though, if they give themselves months to release that footage, then CGI could theoretically be used.

I wish that they would just release whatever they have right now.

It will be telling if no naked man/bystander ever emerges though.

[ClydeCoulter]

There were a crap load of bullets flying (or what sounded liked it), supposedly during the capture of each of them.

[anaconda]

i'm not trying to defend this scenario, because i think it makes far too great of a leap at this point... but the two shootouts were the main car one, and then the boat one. and yes, mike/sunil, in this theory, are very dead and will never see the light of day.
shootout 1 (cars) - killed 2. they claim one gets away.
shootout 2 (boat) - they put 1 in boat after calling it off. shoot him to start the cops coming, but replace him with 4th living one.
requires: 2 sets of lookalikes... which would be the brothers + sunil and mike.

again, i don't think it's what happened... or, at least, i think it's a stretch. but... it's internally consistent and theoretically could be pulled off. the 'echos', in the theory, allow them to have massive shootouts and then a long period of 'martial law', where they can pull out the replacements for another staged endcap event.

in other words, fix the front and end, and let the middle (tons of cops that have no idea anything odd is going on) go freestyle. only the people at each endcap event would be ops.

Who, specifically, would have done the swapping of subjects in the boat? The local cops could not be trusted to fully cooperate with a rogue intelligence plot. Unless it was only a few "FBI" at the boat, and I don't know the answer to this. I'm sure many others here do know, however?

[muh_roads]

The guy lying on the ground has longer brown hair. Reminds me of the brown-haired guy with the mustache standing in the crowd with the satchel...

[anaconda]

It seems as though it would be very crucial to establish which events were handled exclusively by local police, which were handled exclusively by feds, and which were an amalgam.

[CPUd]

It seems as though it would be very crucial to establish which events were handled exclusively by local police, which were handled exclusively by feds, and which were an amalgam.

The scanner feed had some info on that, if someone recorded it. There was a lot of talk from the dispatchers and commanders about allocating units.

[ClydeCoulter]

The guy lying on the ground has longer brown hair. Reminds me of the brown-haired guy with the mustache standing in the crowd with the satchel...

"Professor Plum", do I win? :D

[muh_roads]

"Professor Plum", do I win? :D

The guy wearing blue in the crowd with brown hair reminded me of Zack Galafanakis (sp?)

Can't seem to find a pic...

[Philmanoman]

So for those who say the picture of the naked man is not Tamerlan...Would you also say the picture of the dead man is not Tamerlan?
Because I dont see how one could say either of them is him 100%.

Ive searched pretty heavy for this mystery video of him being interviewed with his clothes on.Not saying it doesnt exist though.

Actually before i posted this I think I may have the vid...brb with update


edit...srry false alarm on finding the vid...the title of vid was misleading

[muh_roads]

Would you also say the picture of the dead man is not Tamerlan?

It doesn't look like him to me at all. Long brown hair = no.

[Ranger29860]

There are two missing videos out there

1. The interview
2. The part where the naked guy gets put up against a wall and has a photo taken of him.

Both those clips show that it wasn't Tamerlan but sadly there are sooooo many of the other one on you tube being touted as "proof" that if there is one uploaded of the other parts they are getting drowned out by the popular ones. Next time something like this happens I'm recording every second of it.

[Philmanoman]

Havent heard of the naked guy posing for a pic???Who took the photo...cops or bystanders?

edit; Im guessing the cops

[Ranger29860]

Havent heard of the naked guy posing for a pic???Who took the photo...cops or bystanders?

edit; Im guessing the cops


It was the FBI, The quality of the shot was a lot better and at that point he had pants on. After that all the news said was, he was let go.

It was on the same street that the guy was lying face down and the the same where the guy is being put into the cop car naked. It was a brick wall to the right that he was put up a against. One of those big cameras to with a hell of a flash on it so you could see him clear as day and it was not Tamerlan.

[CPUd]

It would have been better if the dude had YOLO painted on his chest:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylt6rqXWOO4

[Philmanoman]

*waits for edited photo of Tamerlan with YOLO on his chest* (or naked guy)

[JoshLowry]

It was the FBI, The quality of the shot was a lot better and at that point he had pants on. After that all the news said was, he was let go.

It was on the same street that the guy was lying face down and the the same where the guy is being put into the cop car naked. It was a brick wall to the right that he was put up a against. One of those big cameras to with a hell of a flash on it so you could see him clear as day and it was not Tamerlan.

Please link to this if found. Haven't seen it in my search.

[ClydeCoulter]

I'm not sure I would be able to tell where the naked guy video is being taken, regardless of other video or photos. (unless a pan was done of a longer version of the one floating around).

[Philmanoman]

I have noticed the spanish videos on youtube have alot of Boston stuff I havent seen for some reason.

[sailingaway]

There were a crap load of bullets flying (or what sounded liked it), supposedly during the capture of each of them.

there's a video of the fire fight, a few of them, on here. I think it is the same firefight

[Petar]

Here's a video of the firefight I just saw for the first time:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2JljERwRek

Still looking for conclusive naked guy footage.

[ClydeCoulter]

@0:19 "Both of them taken into custody"

Naked man is one of them.

Is the aunt correct?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=VS8CAUFFSMU&NR=1

&


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM1Xx8ddwmc

[anaconda]

@0:19 "Both of them taken into custody"

Naked man is one of them.

Is the aunt correct?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=VS8CAUFFSMU&NR=1


I'm kind of surprised that professional photojournalists didn't record higher quality video. I'm admittedly naive about camera work, but it does surprise me a bit.

[bolil]

This is really strange. It's even stranger that the Aunt knew what her nephew looked like naked.

Funny, when I am naked I still wear my face. How about you?

[sailingaway]

It was the FBI, The quality of the shot was a lot better and at that point he had pants on. After that all the news said was, he was let go.

It was on the same street that the guy was lying face down and the the same where the guy is being put into the cop car naked. It was a brick wall to the right that he was put up a against. One of those big cameras to with a hell of a flash on it so you could see him clear as day and it was not Tamerlan.

I went over all the tweets, not just in my stream on that, from the scanner, and I think people got the guy on the ground mixed up with the naked guy and the guy let go was the guy on the ground. People decided it had only been one person. I don't know if naked guy was the nephew, and don't know if he was later run over by anyone, but I think the guy let go was the guy on the ground, the sandy haired guy with the blue track pants.

[Weston White]

I think it's crazy paranoid stoners coming up with a bizarre body-double theory that makes no damned sense. There is so little evidence pointing to a government conspiracy that you've resorted to making stuff up.

Wow, really? Well... I suppose that would be the case for those daring enough to drink from the MSM brand of aqua fountains. However, such really serves only to bring forth and expose your own cognitive biases (being steeped within one’s one subjective social reality) Truly, there is nothing that is neither crazy nor paranoid about being heuristic.

“Your illogical approach to chess does have its advantages on occasion, Captain.” — Spock in Charlie X

[sailingaway]

I went over all the tweets, not just in my stream on that, from the scanner, and I think people got the guy on the ground mixed up with the naked guy and the guy let go was the guy on the ground. People decided it had only been one person. I don't know if naked guy was the nephew, and don't know if he was later run over by anyone, but I think the guy let go was the guy on the ground, the sandy haired guy with the blue track pants.

I just saw a video where the naked guy was put into a car and an eye witness said that he was taken out to be questioned by FBI (which is when I thought he might have been run over, I did realize he had gotten out of the car again) but then that he got back in the car. So now my idea that this could be explained by this being the same guy that was run over is messed up unless he got out of the car AGAIN and was run over.

I have a lot of stray facts but not a continuum on that.

It could be that BOTH the guy on the ground were let go, and the naked guy, and then a THIRD guy was the one run over, but I'm missing a bunch of parts at this point.

[ClydeCoulter]

I have gone back to the beginning of the chase. They were not the suspects that did the 7-11 robbery, may not have killed the MIT cop (that resulted from the robbery?), so, how did those things result in a chase that ended in a shootout with the brothers...that makes no sense. But that's line that we were fed at the time, but now forget when other facts come in.

[ninepointfive]

The chest hair thing is an obvious mother effin distraction. who the f is going to suggest you're going to see chest hair in a video as grainy as this? To suggest it's not the same guy because of chest hair, it's disinformation trolling at best, and stupidity at least.


The hairlines in the front and side pictures match up perfectly. also his build.

[ClydeCoulter]

Since the suspects were heading away from the cops when they had the shootout, why did they stop?

[RickyJ]

Since the suspects were heading away from the cops when they had the shootout, why did they stop?

We have no way of knowing if that was even the brothers shooting at the cops there. It could have been part of the drill as well.

[affa]

We have no way of knowing if that was even the brothers shooting at the cops there. It could have been part of the drill as well.

given that the Washington Post is now reporting only a single discarded 9mm was found... the reports of the shootout don't even make sense anymore. A wild chase with them firing automatic weapons at the police for an extended time seems like just another fabrication (except for the amount of bullets the police fired). For all we know, their car backfired and they got a couple hundred rounds in return and the gun wasn't even theirs.

[ClydeCoulter]

Has anyone seen pictures of the shot up vehicle that the suspects were using the night of the "shootout"? I didn't notice any broken out windows or anything in the night pics that were distributed that were supposedly of the shootout.

[ClydeCoulter]

Has anyone seen pictures of the shot up vehicle that the suspects were using the night of the "shootout"? I didn't notice any broken out windows or anything in the night pics that were distributed that were supposedly of the shootout.

Didn't think so.