Black Backpack Operatives in Boston - Who They Really Are

[WhistlinDave]

I really don't know what forum to put this in. Doesn't change my opinion that our government knows a lot more than they are telling us. But this seems to solve the mystery of who the guys are with the big black backpacks. Not Navy Seals, not Craft Operatives.

ht tp://theminorityreport.forummotion.com/t1335-identity-of-the-khaki-wearing-boston-bombing-operatives-revealed

[A Son of Liberty]

I really don't know what forum to put this in. Doesn't change my opinion that our government knows a lot more than they are telling us. But this seems to solve the mystery of who the guys are with the big black backpacks. Not Navy Seals, not Craft Operatives.

Excellent find, Dave.

[phill4paul]

Thanks Dave. Not to steal any thunder but KramerDSP had a similar post. Different source. +rep.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?412057-Likely-explanation-for-quot-Navy-SEAL-quot-guys-at-Boston-Marathon

[Aratus]

if national guard, even if inside something rather like a service uniform, they may have been off duty
if not wearing a jacket that labels them in full in an obvious manner. I have clicked thru a few links
and the second website has more photos than the ones onsite here in another rpf thread. the big
marathon we have had each year draws many people, and sometimes totally being "on" or "off" duty
might be in the context of short time intervals. they are very much a needful high risk support unit,
but they both may have simply been looking at the parade. either way, the security arrangements
are more normal than abnormal or intense if we look at how very quiet the day was prior to the
two bombs going off. the public bulletins were supposed to quiet down a witch~hunting tendency
as the authorities tried to focus the public at large on the most likely perpetrators inside the crowd.

[muh_roads]

#1 I don't care whether they are private contractors or not.

#2 Yes they had their backpacks before the explosion. The top-down view in the bottom left was taken before the blast. Who is the asshole that wrote this saying the top left is all we seen of them with backpacks on?

http://www.thenewsinformer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ttt-391x380.jpg

[A Son of Liberty]

http://static.infowars.com/slideshow/whoarethey.jpg

After the explosions, with backpacks.

[CPUd]

Here's some more details about them, and a source for some of the material that is making the rounds today:

http://www.hstoday.us/briefings/correspondents-watch/single-article/guards-wmd-civil-support-teams-can-respond-faster-than-other-federal-assets/af2160975c8dc3d4ab7f17f0942bdcdc.html

[thoughtomator]

Speaking about who people really are, here's who the guy in the now-famous photo in the wheelchair with his legs apparently blown off is:

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/frallik/12164489/409286/409286_original.jpg

Check the hairline if you have any doubt it's the same guy. Very distinctive.

[phill4paul]

Here's some more details about them, and a source for some of the material that is making the rounds today:

http://www.hstoday.us/briefings/correspondents-watch/single-article/guards-wmd-civil-support-teams-can-respond-faster-than-other-federal-assets/af2160975c8dc3d4ab7f17f0942bdcdc.html


CSTs have been called to assist at events such as Major League Baseball’s World Series, NASCAR races, the Oct. 2011, post-Sept. 11 memorial service at Yankee Stadium, American League Championship Series, UN General Assembly, political events … and even book signings by celebrities.

Dang, we're talking about a real national asset right there! Get these guys more funds! Lol. 'murica!

[69360]

I was talking about them the other day, I knew they had to be special forces types or military.

[CPUd]

Speaking about who people really are, here's who the guy in the now-famous photo in the wheelchair with his legs apparently blown off is:

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/frallik/12164489/409286/409286_original.jpg

Check the hairline if you have any doubt it's the same guy. Very distinctive.

The guy's name is Jeff Bauman. He is the eyewitness who told the police in the hospital that he saw the guy drop a bag.

Here's an article about him:
http://www.lowellsun.com/todaysheadlines/ci_23034567/pray-my-son-father-says-chelmsford-man

here:'s his facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Bauman/1043692236

[thoughtomator]

The guy's name is Jeff Bauman. He is the eyewitness who told the police in the hospital that he saw the guy drop a bag.

Here's an article about him:
http://www.lowellsun.com/todaysheadlines/ci_23034567/pray-my-son-father-says-chelmsford-man

here:'s his facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Bauman/1043692236

Pretty easy to set up a fake identity. I notice there's one picture in the "Jeff Bauman" FB account and it doesn't show his legs. The existence of the alleged father is known, according to the story, only through his postings online. Not like it would be all that tough to gin up a fake father, but then again someone might recognize the fake as people recognized actors from the Sandy Hook event.

[muh_roads]

There was also a 3rd bomb that was found that never went off. That went silent it seems...

[A Son of Liberty]

For fuck's sake...

[fr33]

Pretty easy to set up a fake identity. I notice there's one picture in the "Jeff Bauman" FB account and it doesn't show his legs. The existence of the alleged father is known, according to the story, only through his postings online. Not like it would be all that tough to gin up a fake father, but then again someone might recognize the fake as people recognized actors from the Sandy Hook event.
You might start to realize that both of these 2 separate identities are alive and will continue to appear separately. I'm pretty sure that theory will be one of the easiest to debunk. Snopes has already called it. http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/boston.asp And yes I know a lot of people don't like snopes.

[MelissaWV]

Speaking about who people really are, here's who the guy in the now-famous photo in the wheelchair with his legs apparently blown off is:

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/frallik/12164489/409286/409286_original.jpg

Check the hairline if you have any doubt it's the same guy. Very distinctive.

That was disproven quite some time ago...

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p480x480/547359_143844522464571_438389764_n.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1319027.1366205245!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/jeff-bauman.jpg

[MelissaWV]

Ah and then I continue reading and find out he's imaginary after all.

You know, someday the conspiracy folk will realize that if Government is REALLY this evil, then they might take a page from this handbook and just make you disappear. Who's going to say you ever really existed? FB? Fake! Family? Made up!

[devil21]

Im not sure what the point of the link is. Can't they be both CST and mercenaries? Can't the pictures have been taken at different times? Most every Blackwater/Craft/Xe/etc operative is past military. Showing those guys in Army garb doesn't prove much since we know those types are always military any way. Kyle is a perfect example of this. I don't think it's a convincing argument to just show pics of other people wearing common khakis and various kinds of black shirts and calling that conclusive either. The hats are what brought the scrutiny in the first place.

[squarepusher]

So military/police forces were at the Boston marathon? This is news how? "Internet Detectives" have already proved horribly wrong in the past few days with incorrect hypothesis

[Bruno]

Ah and then I continue reading and find out he's imaginary after all.

You know, someday the conspiracy folk will realize that if Government is REALLY this evil, then they might take a page from this handbook and just make you disappear. Who's going to say you ever really existed? FB? Fake! Family? Made up!

Government IS this evil, and far worse, whether in this particular situation or not.

[Bruno]

So military/police forces were at the Boston marathon? This is news how? "Internet Detectives" have already proved horribly wrong in the past few days with incorrect hypothesis

FBI have been involved with the Times Square Bombet and the Christmad Tree Bomber. Conspiracy theory there? No, just plain facts.

[MelissaWV]

Government IS this evil, and far worse, whether in this particular situation or not.

I don't doubt it, but the same tactics here are certainly being analyzed, don't you think? It's a matter of how people now decide what's real or not.

Some internet person randomly came up with that military guy's profile, and it spread like wildfire, even though it doesn't even look like the same person to me. People believed it. No one seemed to ask how on earth the original person came up with that profile out of so many. Not even the people who were already believing that the Government was behind this. People don't pause to think that something so very prompt and convenient (this was out REALLY soon after the photo of the guy in the wheelchair) stinks.

[Bruno]

I don't doubt it, but the same tactics here are certainly being analyzed, don't you think? It's a matter of how people now decide what's real or not.

Some internet person randomly came up with that military guy's profile, and it spread like wildfire, even though it doesn't even look like the same person to me. People believed it. No one seemed to ask how on earth the original person came up with that profile out of so many. Not even the people who were already believing that the Government was behind this. People don't pause to think that something so very prompt and convenient (this was out REALLY soon after the photo of the guy in the wheelchair) stinks.

Well I certainly don't agree with every theory put there. Even law enfprcement and media get their stories confused due to the rapid and conflicting reports coming at them.

What we do know is the FBI was contacted by Russia to investigate them, reports of bomb sniffing dogs and drills that day, no video or pics of the backpack drops, many family members of the suspects saying they were set up and the FBI had been watching them for years.

At the least, it is the worst intelligence failure since 9/11, despite the huge loss of our freedoms and privacy. At the most, much, much more.

[aGameOfThrones]

Speaking about who people really are, here's who the guy in the now-famous photo in the wheelchair with his legs apparently blown off is:

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/frallik/12164489/409286/409286_original.jpg

Check the hairline if you have any doubt it's the same guy. Very distinctive.

Damn! He lost his legs twice.

[phill4paul]

Well I certainly don't agree with every theory put there. Even law enfprcement and media get their stories confused due to the rapid and conflicting reports coming at them.

What we do know is the FBI was contacted by Russia to investigate them, reports of bomb sniffing dogs and drills that day, no video or pics of the backpack drops, many family members of the suspects saying they were set up and the FBI had been watching them for years.

At the least, it is the worst intelligence failure since 9/11, despite the huge loss of our freedoms and privacy. At the most, much, much more.

Fist bumps and promotions all around.

[KramerDSP]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Bruno again.

[devil21]

Well I certainly don't agree with every theory put there. Even law enfprcement and media get their stories confused due to the rapid and conflicting reports coming at them.

What we do know is the FBI was contacted by Russia to investigate them, reports of bomb sniffing dogs and drills that day, no video or pics of the backpack drops, many family members of the suspects saying they were set up and the FBI had been watching them for years.

At the least, it is the worst intelligence failure since 9/11, despite the huge loss of our freedoms and privacy. At the most, much, much more.

I was just watching network evening news and the governor of Mass himself said that he was told about the video evidence but implied he didn't see it himself.

[Bruno]

I was just watching network evening news and the governor of Mass himself said that he was told about the video evidence but implied he didn't see it himself.

How familiar.

"I hear from other people they saw the picture of Osama Bin Laden dead, but I haven't see it myself."

[thoughtomator]

That was disproven quite some time ago...

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p480x480/547359_143844522464571_438389764_n.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1319027.1366205245!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/jeff-bauman.jpg

I'm not sure how that disproves anything. Care to elaborate?

[WhistlinDave]

That was disproven quite some time ago...

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p480x480/547359_143844522464571_438389764_n.jpg

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1319027.1366205245!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/jeff-bauman.jpg

I'm not sure what these pictures purport to prove... Can you provide a link or some context? Because in the other post it does look like it could be the same person (or maybe a twin). I'm open to whatever the truth is. I'm just not sure what I'm supposed to glean from these two photos.

[WhistlinDave]

I'm not sure how that disproves anything. Care to elaborate?

I really need to finish reading threads before responding to stuff... +rep. Thank you, I was thinking the same thing.

[MelissaWV]

I'm not sure what these pictures purport to prove... Can you provide a link or some context? Because in the other post it does look like it could be the same person (or maybe a twin). I'm open to whatever the truth is. I'm just not sure what I'm supposed to glean from these two photos.

You mean the photos of the actual person whose legs were blown off and is in the hospital right now? The picture of him standing up beforehand, and the picture of him in the hospital missing his legs?

Obviously I need to type some shocked text in front of them for it to work, I guess.

I don't think the soldier really looks like the guy in the wheelchair. In fact, I don't think most people would think they were "like twins" without the suggestion that they're the same person made by the meme.

[WhistlinDave]

How familiar.

"I hear from other people they saw the picture of Osama Bin Laden dead, but I haven't see it myself."

Come to think of it, I never saw Santa Claus myself but I know he exists because my parents told me so. Many, many times. And the gifts!! Hard evidence right there.

[WhistlinDave]

You mean the photos of the actual person whose legs were blown off and is in the hospital right now? The picture of him standing up beforehand, and the picture of him in the hospital missing his legs?

Obviously I need to type some shocked text in front of them for it to work, I guess.

I don't think the soldier really looks like the guy in the wheelchair. In fact, I don't think most people would think they were "like twins" without the suggestion that they're the same person made by the meme.

I see a photo of a guy in a hospital bed. Now, not being there myself, I don't know what's real and what isn't, but the two people do look a lot alike to me.

If someone has video of the two of them together, comparing stumps, I would not ask for anything further. Sorry if that's crass and rude; I realize how offensive it is to say that, but that would be proof.

[MelissaWV]

I see a photo of a guy in a hospital bed. Now, not being there myself, I don't know what's real and what isn't, but the two people do look a lot alike to me.

If someone has video of the two of them together, comparing stumps, I would not ask for anything further. Sorry if that's crass and rude; I realize how offensive it is to say that, but that would be proof.

The military guy doesn't have stumps. Good to know you looked closely. :D

[thoughtomator]

The military guy doesn't have stumps. Good to know you looked closely. :D

Without a timestamp on the second photo, it could be from any date. It looks like a rather old photo. It most definitely is not a photo of him running the marathon earlier that day with actual legs - weren't there enough pictures of the event to catch him on camera earlier that day? Meanwhile we got this other guy who looks exactly like him in every detail - down to an unusual quirk in the hairline - shown with already missing legs.

Then there is the very odd procedure of moving him with a wheelchair - wtf a person in that condition shouldn't be being wheeled in a wheelchair, you'll kill them with blood loss. And there's no blood trail behind the wheelchair. And there are so other details that are also kind of like "wait, wut?" items... they really look so uncannily alike that, if I were charged with investigating a crime here, I would really be interested in personally meeting with both men to satisfy myself that they are different people.

[WhistlinDave]

The military guy doesn't have stumps. Good to know you looked closely. :D

Can't really tell, but looking at it more closely, I see why you say this. It does look like maybe he has a pelvis and not much more. Poor choice of words on my part; still would like to see the two of them together if they are two separate people. (I also would like a pony if anyone has seen Santa Claus around.)

[WhistlinDave]

Then there is the very odd procedure of moving him with a wheelchair - wtf a person in that condition shouldn't be being wheeled in a wheelchair, you'll kill them with blood loss. And there's no blood trail behind the wheelchair. And there are so other details that are also kind of like "wait, wut?" items... they really look so uncannily alike that, if I were charged with investigating a crime here, I would really be interested in personally meeting with both men to satisfy myself that they are different people.

Babehammer Supreme just answered that here (the wheelchair): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?412023-Eyewitness-to-Shootout-that-killed-the-older-brother-calls-into-radio-station&p=4989108&viewfull=1#post4989108

[fr33]

I think if you're going to be an internet sleuth and call someone a fake person, you should at least get up off your butt and attempt to meet the person you claim does not exist. As an aside, you might also want to consider what it would be like to have your legs blown off recently and have people on the internet claim your lying about the details.

[WhistlinDave]

I think if you're going to be an internet sleuth and call someone a fake person, you should at least get up off your butt and attempt to meet the person you claim does not exist. As an aside, you might also want to consider what it would be like to have your legs blown off recently and have people on the internet claim your lying about the details.

I don't know what the truth is. Just asking questions. If people were really injured and killed, I feel terrible for them and their families. I know questioning what really happened is to many people offensive on its face, and I do not mean any disrespect to anyone by wanting to know what really happened.

If it turns out it all really happened exactly the way it has been told on the TV, I will be the first to admit where I was wrong and apologize to anyone I may have offended. I don't mean to be an asshole about all this or make light of it, and if I have seemed a little too flippant in some of my posts I apologize for that. In my cynicism toward my government I think I sometimes forget there's an equal possibility that the victims are real, the crime is real, and things are just as they seem, or close to it. For that, I apologize. I will try to be more respectful.

If these victims are all legitimate--and I am completely open to that possibility--I still question what foreknowledge our government had and whether they were involved. And I don't think doing so is disrespectful to the victims.

You could think of it this way: If a child had been beaten, and the parents said someone broke into the house and did it, and then there were some questionable things about their story, and/or evidence that seemed to suggest the parents may have known the intruder, and might've let him in willingly, and *might* have even encouraged him to do the beating or helped him with it, then if investigators were to follow those leads and ask questions looking into the guilt or innocence of the parents, would that be disrespectful to the child victim of the beating?

Asking questions and wanting to know the truth isn't of itself disrespectful to the victims. If anything, it is showing them more respect than failing to ask questions about inconsistencies and odd things. As for questioning the veracity of the victims, again I apologize if I was wrong or rude in the way I went about it.

[CPUd]

This picture/fake actor thing was started a couple years ago by a guy calling himself Dallas Goldbug; it started out as some sort of fantasy theater, and around the time of the shooting in Arizona, some of the woo boards latched onto it, and eventually sites like infowars accidentally caught themselves using it as a source. That guy takes pictures of virtually every celebrity, finds someone that looks like them and puts it on his site.

http://i.imgur.com/8ZfvU54.jpg

Today, we are dealing with multiple copycats who saw how fast stuff like that picked up steam, and they are doing the same thing. Sure, it's interesting to think about; there are even popular movies like The Truman Show that explore the concept. But at the end of the day, it's just entertainment, and the people putting this stuff out are in it for the money. The problem is that sites like that attract a high percentage of mentally unstable persons who take it as reality, and become dangerous.

http://news.yahoo.com/oregon-man-charged-harassing-theater-shooting-victims-families-032025757.html

That one was just harassment, but it's only a matter of time before someone gets out of their car, and it's a guy with a knife creeping up behind them.

[Ranger29860]

Then there is the very odd procedure of moving him with a wheelchair - wtf a person in that condition shouldn't be being wheeled in a wheelchair, you'll kill them with blood loss. And there's no blood trail behind the wheelchair. And there are so other details that are also kind of like "wait, wut?" items... they really look so uncannily alike that, if I were charged with investigating a crime here, I would really be interested in personally meeting with both men to satisfy myself that they are different people.


How do you know what they should be moved in? Its very obvious from the get go you know nothing of battlefield trauma. I served 2 tours in Iraq and sadly these types of injuries were way to common for me to see over the few years I was there. A blast that tears limbs off like that tend to constrict muscles since the body goes into survival mode of closing off the limbs. This is roughly the same thing the body starts doing when you start freezing to death. Blood still flows but at a much lesser rate you would not get the gushing you expect if someone were to just slice your artery. Real life isnt like the movies blood almost never gushes. Like I said cuts are the only things that cause that usually. Go look up hockey goalies who had there throats slit by skates to see what worse case scenario looks like.

So little to no blood after the initial dump that were in the legs is not uncommon. Also the wheelchair was the only thing they could move anyone in at first when the blast happened. You have to remember it was a VERY crowded area with roads and sidewalks closed off. I'm sure you have heard the recordings of the police telling people to tear down everything and get the road open to get ambulances in there. So using anything to move him quickly to an ambulance was a must.

Also I have been wondering why people seem to think this is in anyway faked. The "proof" of a prosthetic I have seen is laughable at best. But then I have to ask did they apply makeup to Jeff also? I don't know if you noticed but he was pale as a ghost in the wheelchair picture barely holding on to life. That wast ash or smoke that was his skin turned damn near white from the blood loss. If you want evidence of that look no further than the first few pictures people are showing where he is still on the ground. His face is still a somewhat healthy color and the smoke had cleared so no ash to fall on him.

[A Son of Liberty]

Maybe all of this was a fake. Maybe it all happened on a sound studio somewhere. Maybe all of that video of the Boston Marathon is a forgery. Maybe the Boston Marathon never even happened. Maybe it has never happened in the past, it was all a dodge from the get-go. Maybe Boston isn't even a real city.

To save a little time, it's idiotic to imagine that the bombing didn't actually happen. Why the hell would "they" do that, when, if "they" were intent on a false flag, "they" could just as easily actually freaking DO it.

Stuff like this is why I wouldn't ever send anyone to this board for information.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I think if you're going to be an internet sleuth and call someone a fake person, you should at least get up off your butt and attempt to meet the person you claim does not exist. As an aside, you might also want to consider what it would be like to have your legs blown off recently and have people on the internet claim your lying about the details.


Hmmmm... considering that right now... Safe bet I wouldn't care what people on the internet are doing either way. I just had my legs blown off. I'd be preoccupied with that, I'm sure.

Consider this... you just lost your legs. How worried are you about someone on the internet saying you're an actor?

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Here's another pic of him...

http://www.gofundme.com/BucksforBauman

[A Son of Liberty]

Here's another pic of him...

http://www.gofundme.com/BucksforBauman

Disgusting. Now they're convincing people to donate money to someone who never existed.

:rolleyes:

[WhistlinDave]

Maybe all of this was a fake. Maybe it all happened on a sound studio somewhere. Maybe all of that video of the Boston Marathon is a forgery. Maybe the Boston Marathon never even happened. Maybe it has never happened in the past, it was all a dodge from the get-go. Maybe Boston isn't even a real city.

To save a little time, it's idiotic to imagine that the bombing didn't actually happen. Why the hell would "they" do that, when, if "they" were intent on a false flag, "they" could just as easily actually freaking DO it.

Stuff like this is why I wouldn't ever send anyone to this board for information.

It's ironic where this thread has gone considering my reason for starting it was to present information that debunks one of the major claims of conspiracy theorists up to that point. (Myself included. I was believing the black backpack operatives were involved in placing bombs and now know they weren't.)

That being said, how do you know what really happened? How do any of us know? All we know is what information we are able to obtain from news sources and Internet sources, and it is not a crime for us to exercise our liberty to think about things and consider possibilities.

Declaring that you *know* our government had no foreknowledge or involvement based on the available information is every bit as irresponsible and lacking in critical thinking as proclaiming that you *know* for certain they were. None of us know. All we can do is believe what we want to believe.

And I don't know if anyone is saying the bombing didn't happen. What I and others are suggesting is that what happened is not exactly what we've been told happened. Not all the conspiracy theories are going to turn out to be correct (hence the original post in this thread), but to dismiss every possibility offhand without even considering that they could be possible simply because you want to believe the "official" story does not make you more patriotic or more intelligent than the next person. All it does is reveal the narrative you are choosing to believe in at the moment, without really knowing what happened.

Just like the rest of us.