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sailingaway
04-21-2013, 01:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=K7PWclyGd7E#t=0s


This week, as Americans were horrified by the attacks in Boston, both houses of Congress considered legislation undermining our liberty in the name of “safety.” Gun control continued to be the focus of the Senate, where an amendment expanding federal “background checks” to gun show sales and other private transfers dominated the debate. While the background check amendment failed to pass, proponents of gun control have made it clear they will continue their efforts to enact new restrictions on gun ownership into law.

While it did not receive nearly as much attention as the debate on gun control, the House of Representatives passed legislation with significant implications for individual liberty: the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA). CISPA proponents claim that the legislation is necessary to protect Americans from foreign “cyber terrorists,” but the real effect of this bill will be to further erode Americans’ online privacy.

Under CISPA, Internet corporations are authorized to hand over the private information of American citizens to federal agents, as long as they can justify the violation of your privacy in the name of protecting “cyber security”. Among the items that may be shared are your e-mails, browsing history, and online transactions.

Like the PATRIOT Act, CISPA violates the fourth amendment by allowing federal agencies to obtain private information without first seeking a warrant from a federal judge. The law also allows federal agencies to pass your information along to other federal bureaucrats — again without obtaining a warrant. And the bill provides private companies with immunity from lawsuits regardless of the damage done to anyone whose personal information is shared with the government.

CISPA represents a troubling form of corporatism, where large companies cede their responsibility to protect their property to the federal government, at the expense of their customers’ privacy and liberty. In this respect, CISPA can be thought of as an electronic version of the Transportation Security Administration, which has usurped the authority over airline security from private airlines. However, CISPA will prove to be far more invasive than even the most robust TSA screening.

CISPA and the gun control bill are only the most recent examples of politicians manipulating fear to con the people into giving up their liberties. Of course, the people are told the legislation is for “limited purposes,” but authority granted to government is rarely, if ever, used solely for the purpose for which it is granted. For example, the American people were promised that the extraordinary powers granted the government by the PATRIOT Act would only be used against terrorism. Yet soon after the bill became law, reports surfaced that it was being used for non-terrorism purposes. In fact, according to data compiled by the American Civil Liberties Union, 76 percent of the uses of the controversial “sneak-and-peak” warrants where related to the war on drugs!

Sadly, I expect this week’s tragic attacks in Boston to be used to justify new restrictions on liberty. Within 48 hours of the attack in Boston, at least one Congressman was calling for increased use of surveillance cameras to expand the government’s ability to monitor our actions, while another Senator called for a federal law mandating background checks before Americans can buy “explosive powder.”

I would not be surprised if the Transportation Security Administration uses this tragedy to claim new authority to “screen” Americans before they can attend sporting or other public events. The Boston attack may also be used as another justification for creating a National ID Card tied to a federal database with “biometric” information. The only thing that will stop them is if the American people rediscover the wisdom of Benjamin Franklin that you cannot achieve security by allowing government to take their liberties.

http://the-free-foundation.org/tst4-22-2013.html
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CISPA has passed the House and has been sent to the Senate. Contact your Senators and Senator Reid, even if you have before, to tell them to vote NO on CISPA - make it clear Boston hasn't 'changed your mind'.

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sailingaway
04-21-2013, 01:58 PM
This comment was on Ron's facebook page:


Melanie Salins I fear the biometric cards are already being started! I just had a baby in October 2012, and they took him DNA WITHOUT MY PERMISSION!!! They told me it was for the "Missing Children Database" but they didn't ask first and told me it was mandatory.

CPUd
04-21-2013, 02:28 PM
Here are some more quotes:



But elsewhere during Thursday’s debate, another elected lawmaker cited national security concerns as paramount to these privacy woes. Speaking before his congressional colleagues, Rep. Mike McCaul (R-Texas) said this week’s deadly terrorist attack in Boston are reason enough to pass a cybersecurity bill, despite lacing evidence that the pair of bombs detonated Monday at the Boston Marathon were acts of cyberterror.

“Recent events in Boston demonstrate that we have to come together as Republicans and Democrats” in order to pass a bill that will strengthen national security, McCaul (R-Texas) said Thursday morning.

“In the case of Boston,” said McCaul, “there were real bombs.”

“In this case, they are digital bombs — and these digital bombs are on their way.”

Another lawmaker, Rep. Dan Maffei (D-New York), said CISPA was necessary to protect the US against “independent groups like WikiLeaks,” adding unfounded claims that the whistleblower website is “taking very aggressive measures to hack into” US computer networks.

Other noteworthy statements that came out of this week’s CISPA debate include one quip from Rep. Candice Miller (R-Michigan), who said Wednesday that the billl "helps us fulfill every one of the responsibilities mandated on us by the US Constitution."

“I believe strongly that you should have constitutional concerns about not passing this bill,” said Rep. Miller.

"By supporting CISPA, we move to fulfill our oath” to protect the American people, added Rep. William Enyart (D-Illinois).

As news broke Thursday afternoon that CISPA cleared the House, opponents took to social media to sound out. The EFF responded by saying the House “shamefully” passed, “undermining the privacy of millions of Internet users.”


http://rt.com/usa/congress-house-bill-cispa-031/

sailingaway
04-21-2013, 02:38 PM
"digital bombs" reaching much? First amendment protects expression, fourth amendment protects privacy. NO amendment protects throwing bombs unless (potentially) in self defense.

CPUd
04-21-2013, 02:59 PM
The problem with bills like this is similar to the gun control stuff. They already have the tools they need to do what this bill claims to let them do. They just don't understand enough about them to know how to use them. They need people with CS degrees who have concentrations in cybersecurity, but they still have a hard time attracting even the young ones. Even those guys are getting snapped up into the private sector, making twice as much, working with state-of-the-art technology and don't have to spend all day doing things that make it hard for them to sleep at night.

sailingaway
04-21-2013, 04:43 PM
I'm recalling their oath is to defend the Constitution, obviously they have a duty to protect American people, but their OATH is to not violate the Constitution in the process of doing that, or anything else.

sailingaway
04-21-2013, 06:29 PM
bump for video added

Sola_Fide
04-21-2013, 06:40 PM
CISPA represents a troubling form of corporatism, where large companies cede their responsibility to protect their property to the federal government, at the expense of their customers’ privacy and liberty. In this respect, CISPA can be thought of as an electronic version of the Transportation Security Administration, which has usurped the authority over airline security from private airlines. However, CISPA will prove to be far more invasive than even the most robust TSA screening.

Why is Ron Paul...so right...all the time?

sailingaway
04-21-2013, 08:44 PM
Off twitter tonight, this just seems to go with Ron's straight talk:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIbEossCIAErOqd.jpg:large

Okie RP fan
04-21-2013, 09:41 PM
So are we going to try and stay off Twitter tomorrow? Is that the goal?

sailingaway
04-21-2013, 09:59 PM
Not my goal. Some on the left are pushing a 'blackout' but while it might make a point for some sites like wiki to black out, and I honestly don't know what is happening here, letting the 'other side' have a day with us off the internet seems to me like a gift to them, not opposition. They would ENTIRELY control the message then. I did change my avatar on twitter to be the stop cispa one, though, for tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/usernamenuse

FriedChicken
04-21-2013, 10:00 PM
This comment was on Ron's facebook page:

Melanie Salins I fear the biometric cards are already being started! I just had a baby in October 2012, and they took him DNA WITHOUT MY PERMISSION!!! They told me it was for the "Missing Children Database" but they didn't ask first and told me it was mandatory.

Blood ... boiling ... if that is true.
With our (uh, me and my wife's) first child we experienced a lot of "never mind them, they're just the parents." Kind of treatment. They even put drugs in my wife's IV and lied saying it was just saline solution - then later an honest nurse told us the truth. While my daughter was getting a blood test they literally formed a human wall [on the other side of the glass] so I couldn't see how many times they stuck her. I tapped on the glass and had a nurse come to the door and they nearly refused to give me daughter back ... eh, this isn't the thread to go through ever grievance I had during that time ...
But that quote really hit a nerve and I bet it is actually true.

Our next kid (any day now) is going to be a home birth for obvious reasons.

sailingaway
04-21-2013, 10:03 PM
Blood ... boiling ... if that is true.
With our (uh, me and my wife's) first child we experienced a lot of "never mind them, they're just the parents." Kind of treatment. They even put drugs in my wife's IV and lied saying it was just saline solution - then later an honest nurse told us the truth. While my daughter was getting a blood test they literally formed a human wall [on the other side of the glass] so I couldn't see how many times they stuck her. I tapped on the glass and had a nurse come to the door and they nearly refused to give me daughter back ... eh, this isn't the thread to go through ever grievance I had during that time ...
But that quote really hit a nerve and I bet it is actually true.

Our next kid (any day now) is going to be a home birth for obvious reasons.

Yeah. I saw something about obamacare wanting a 'genetic dna database' but I don't remember if it was in the bill or some write up. I do know some policies were pushing it before that. and some states I think implemented it.

sailingaway
04-21-2013, 10:21 PM
twitter avatar for CISPA https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/3557809469/8e88c69422daad185c4ccf1c2098b9d4_normal.jpeg

Okie RP fan
04-21-2013, 10:22 PM
Not my goal. Some on the left are pushing a 'blackout' but while it might make a point for some sites like wiki to black out, and I honestly don't know what is happening here, letting the 'other side' have a day with us off the internet seems to me like a gift to them, not opposition. They would ENTIRELY control the message then. I did change my avatar on twitter to be the stop cispa one, though, for tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/usernamenuse

Exactly. Something wasn't sitting quite right with some of this. I just noticed some people were saying they'd be back on Tuesday...

sailingaway
04-22-2013, 11:24 AM
Great picture off twitter:

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/761218737.jpg

sailingaway
04-22-2013, 09:45 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIfG4YSCcAA_D_D.jpg:large

sailingaway
04-24-2013, 10:48 PM
bump

NorfolkPCSolutions
04-25-2013, 10:48 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIfG4YSCcAA_D_D.jpg:large

Holy fuck. I looked at this AFTER I called both my Senators. If I had seen it BEFORE I'd called, I would have been far less polite.

And would have gotten no further.

Do we have a voice in our government anymore?

sailingaway
04-25-2013, 04:31 PM
Holy fuck. I looked at this AFTER I called both my Senators. If I had seen it BEFORE I'd called, I would have been far less polite.

And would have gotten no further.

Do we have a voice in our government anymore?

I can't find it.