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sailingaway
04-20-2013, 05:23 PM
http://blog.heritage.org/2013/04/19/hagel-announces-deployment-of-u-s-troops-to-jordan-in-response-to-worsening-syria-crisis/

FrankRep
04-20-2013, 05:27 PM
I still don't support Chuck Hagel.

Christian Liberty
04-20-2013, 05:32 PM
"Fighting for Our freedoms."

:p

supermario21
04-20-2013, 05:39 PM
I thought Hagel was supposed to be an anti-war savior?

FrankRep
04-20-2013, 05:57 PM
I thought Hagel was supposed to be an anti-war savior?

I tried to tell people that Chuck Hagel has a Pro-War voting record. I remember being called a "Neocon" for opposing him.


Stop the Confirmation of Chuck Hagel for Secretary of Defense (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?404230-Stop-the-Confirmation-of-Chuck-Hagel-for-Secretary-of-Defense)
11 February 2013



Lets review Hagel's voting record again....


The Constitutional Case Against Chuck Hagel


H.J.Res. 114 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/107/hjres114): Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002
- Chuck Hagel: Yes (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237)

S.J.Res. 23 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:SJ00023:@@@R): Authorization for Use of Military Force
- Chuck Hagel: Yes (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00281)

S. 1438 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:SN1438:): National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002
- Chuck Hagel: Yes (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00369)

H.R. 3162 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:HR3162:): Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT ACT) Act of 2001
- Chuck Hagel: Yes (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313)

H.R. 5005 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/107/hr5005): Homeland Security Act of 2002
- Chuck Hagel: Yes (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/s249)

S. 1927 (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/s1927): Protect America Act of 2007
- Chuck Hagel: Yes (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/110-2007/s309)

Chuck Hagel is a member (http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/roster.html?letter=H) of the Council on Foreign Relations (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0882791346/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0882791346).

Chuck Hagel scored a 44% on the Constitutional Voting Index (http://www.jbs.org/voting-index/download?id=18_4e72d649ea3d66fd1883cab0545fb042)

Endorsed by Zbigniew Brzezinski (http://www.omaha.com/article/20130104/NEWS/130109759)

Endorsed by Barack Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel#Obama_administration_consideration)

ClydeCoulter
04-20-2013, 06:02 PM
So, you think Hagel made that decision?
Who would have been better at being a puppet?
edit: I think the point was, why waste time opposing him when there's no point.

anaconda
04-20-2013, 06:09 PM
How does a civilian bureaucrat get to "order troops to be deployed?" I'm not clear on that one.

anaconda
04-20-2013, 06:10 PM
Hagel = CFR + Bilberberg + Deutsche Bank. No surprises here.

sailingaway
04-20-2013, 06:13 PM
I don't think anyone thought he was going to be great, but he was being demonized for only slightly moderate views by the Kristol crowd who wanted someone who would agitate for more intervention whereas Hagel would still put out bad policy but possibly not push it worse because of personal agenda to do so.

sailingaway
04-20-2013, 06:13 PM
Hagel = CFR + Bilberberg + Deutsche Bank. No surprises here.

Yeah. IT isn't as if there was a good choice.

Origanalist
04-20-2013, 06:19 PM
Although initially tasked with playing a support role in assisting Jordan in developing contingency plans for mitigating the destabilizing spillover effects of Syria’s civil war, the troops could “potentially form a joint task force for military operations, if ordered.” The headquarters staff will lay the foundation for a formal U.S. military presence that could grow to 20,000 troops or more, if the Obama Administration activates contingency plans for a major U.S. military intervention.

Somebody remind me what the definition of insanity is again.

ClydeCoulter
04-20-2013, 06:27 PM
Somebody remind me what the definition of insanity is again.

No, you have it right.

Brian4Liberty
04-20-2013, 06:34 PM
How does a civilian bureaucrat get to "order troops to be deployed?" I'm not clear on that one.

Good question. Under what constitutional authority are US troops being sent into harm's way?

HOLLYWOOD
04-20-2013, 06:45 PM
Fixed the title:

Hagel Announces Deployment of U.S. Troops to Jordan in Response to Worsening Failed Covert CIA/Mi5/CFR/Mossad Syria Crisis

Keith and stuff
04-20-2013, 07:08 PM
How does a civilian bureaucrat get to "order troops to be deployed?" I'm not clear on that one.

Constitutionally, Congress has to do that. Practically speaking, it's Obama's call. If it is happening, Obama ordered it. I think most people here know that. They are just walking silly on purpose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wippooDL6WE

gwax23
04-20-2013, 07:45 PM
People only supported hagel on this forum because he said some things about Israel that they agreed with. That was enough for the Israel firsters on this board to push aside everything else an announce him to be a savior.

anaconda
04-20-2013, 08:19 PM
Somebody remind me what the definition of insanity is again.

The difference is they don't expect different results from the same behavior. They want the same results.

XTreat
04-20-2013, 08:52 PM
I don't remember anyone here saying Hagel was great. I remember some other arguments, but no one that I remember was jumping on the Hagel 2016 bandwagon.

Origanalist
04-20-2013, 08:56 PM
The difference is they don't expect different results from the same behavior. They want the same results.

Good point. In fact, excellent point.

klamath
04-20-2013, 09:24 PM
Bright people around here.:rolleyes: Hagel is carrying out orders from above. Believe me Hagel didn't just wake up and decide to commit troops to Jordon, he was told to commit troops.

Obama; "Secretary, what needs to be done to give me the option of ordering military intervention in Syria?
Hagel; "Set up command and control in Jordon."
Obama; "make it happen."

jtstellar
04-21-2013, 02:54 AM
So, you think Hagel made that decision?
Who would have been better at being a puppet?
edit: I think the point was, why waste time opposing him when there's no point.

and attack people who hold up his nomination for some questioning? attack? that seems neutral to you? "no point?"

WhistlinDave
04-21-2013, 04:03 AM
Somebody remind me what the definition of insanity is again.

Helping freedom fighters replace a dictator with another dictator and expecting the new dictatorship to not commit atrocities against their subjects later, and also expect them to not become our enemy down the road. (Was that the one you were talking about?)

WhistlinDave
04-21-2013, 04:06 AM
Bright people around here.:rolleyes: Hagel is carrying out orders from above. Believe me Hagel didn't just wake up and decide to commit troops to Jordon, he was told to commit troops.

Obama; "Secretary, what needs to be done to give me the option of ordering military intervention in Syria?
Hagel; "Set up command and control in Jordon."
Obama; "make it happen."

You forgot the people telling Obama what to do. (You're still correct on the main premise though.) :)

Shane Harris
04-21-2013, 04:10 AM
of course

Constitutional Paulicy
04-21-2013, 04:19 AM
You forgot the people telling Obama what to do. (You're still correct on the main premise though.) :)

Ya, I was wondering just how deep and widespread this dialog must have been. It's likely beyond our grasp. But you can be certain it's all the entities that members on this board have been opposed to at one time or another.

HOLLYWOOD
04-21-2013, 10:06 AM
Read the last sentence... it's all about WAR$

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Hagel-Israel-has-right-to-decide-on-Iran-strike-310555


Hagel: Israel has right to decide on Iran strike
By YAAKOV LAPPIN (http://www.jpost.com/Authors/AuthorPage.aspx?id=46)
04/21/2013 13:17

US secretary of defense arrives in Israel, says arms deal with Israel is "another very clear signal to Iran".
http://www.jpost.com/HttpHandlers/ShowImage.ashx?ID=217234 US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel arrives in Israel. Photo: REUTERS
Israel has the right to decide for itself whether to strike Iran, US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel told reporters on his flight to Israel on Sunday, the Wall Street Journal reported.
"Israel is a sovereign nation and every sovereign nation has the right to defend itself and protect itself. Israel will do that. It must do that," Hagel was quoted as saying.
Hagel, who arrived in Israel on Sunday morning, vowed to provide Israel with advanced weapons that will enhance its abilities to strike at Iran.

anaconda
04-21-2013, 04:08 PM
Bright people around here.:rolleyes: Hagel is carrying out orders from above. Believe me Hagel didn't just wake up and decide to commit troops to Jordon, he was told to commit troops.

Obama; "Secretary, what needs to be done to give me the option of ordering military intervention in Syria?
Hagel; "Set up command and control in Jordon."
Obama; "make it happen."

I doubt that Obama was even in the loop on a decision like this, save for being prepped on talking points. I doubt that he makes even the smallest of decisions. Same as Bush I'm betting.

FrankRep
04-21-2013, 04:34 PM
Read the last sentence... it's all about WAR$

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Hagel-Israel-has-right-to-decide-on-Iran-strike-310555

Hagel, who arrived in Israel on Sunday morning, vowed to provide Israel with advanced weapons that will enhance its abilities to strike at Iran.

But but but... I thought Hagel was going to stand up against Israel.