This is a test...

[tod evans]

How will Americans respond to news broadcasts depicting martial law in a major city?


Even here on RPF there are some cheering. :(

[bunklocoempire]

An opportunity to educate as well.

I've identified a few in my community where at least some questions can be planted in their brain.

For instance heard on the amateur radio local chatter about saving money on a trial/prison by having the state execute on the spot (here on the RPF's too :mad:).

Pertinent questions: Which would you rather fund?

[insert ANY unconstitutional waste here] or protecting an individual's civil rights?

How has cheering state on-the-spot executions worked out in the past?

[V3n]

I was thinking this (is a test) too. Shocked there hasn't been a single resident not to allow the warrant-less invasions yet!

[belian78]

Customers came in today talking about how bad traffic was today. I mentioned that it could be worse, we could be in Boston all under lockdown. She says 'well hey, I'd get an extra day off! *laugh laugh laugh* :mad:

[donnay]

I will not comply. So sick of hearing it's for our safety--you give up liberty for security you get neither (paraphrasing Benjamin Franklin).

[Krzysztof Lesiak]

Idk

[Acala]

It isn't martial law. People are not prohibited from leaving their homes. Civil law has not been suspended. The 4th amendment has not been suspended. People are voluntarily cooperating with the "authorities". Presumably because they are of one mind that they want the murderer caught as soon as possible.

Repeat - this is not martial law.

[ronpaulfollower999]

And if someone choses not to comply?

[jbauer]

It isn't martial law. People are not prohibited from leaving their homes. Civil law has not been suspended. The 4th amendment has not been suspended. People are voluntarily cooperating with the "authorityes". Presumably because they are of one mind that they want the murderer caught as soon as possible.

Repeat - this is not martial law.

Well, if you show up in an urban battle tank with 50 soldiers, most people aren't going to say no.

[donnay]

It isn't martial law. People are not prohibited from leaving their homes. Civil law has not been suspended. The 4th amendment has not been suspended. People are voluntarily cooperating with the "authorities". Presumably because they are of one mind that they want the murderer caught as soon as possible.

Repeat - this is not martial law.


It's a lockdown.



lock·down


noun
1. the confining of prisoners to their cells, as following a riot or other disturbance.

2. a security measure taken during an emergency to prevent people from leaving or entering a building: The school remains under lockdown due to police activity in the area.

It's a soft martial law. They have troops on the streets as well.

[donnay]

And if someone choses not to comply?


Die a free man.

[tod evans]

It isn't martial law. People are not prohibited from leaving their homes. Civil law has not been suspended. The 4th amendment has not been suspended. People are voluntarily cooperating with the "authorities". Presumably because they are of one mind that they want the murderer caught as soon as possible.

Repeat - this is not martial law.

Depicting and declaring are separate things altogether..

Even Mass. would be hesitant to actually "declare" martial law.

I'll draw my own conclusions from the plethora of photos whether or not they "depict" martial law.

[jmdrake]

It isn't martial law. People are not prohibited from leaving their homes. Civil law has not been suspended. The 4th amendment has not been suspended. People are voluntarily cooperating with the "authorities". Presumably because they are of one mind that they want the murderer caught as soon as possible.

Repeat - this is not martial law.

That makes it even better. It's voluntary martial law. Police and military are doing house to house searches without warrants. Justified? Maybe under the circumstances. Bad precedent? Most definitely!

[JK/SEA]

It isn't martial law. People are not prohibited from leaving their homes. Civil law has not been suspended. The 4th amendment has not been suspended. People are voluntarily cooperating with the "authorities". Presumably because they are of one mind that they want the murderer caught as soon as possible.

Repeat - this is not martial law.

saw a pic of some random guy laying face down because?.......he wasn't SUPPOSED to be 'just' walking around....

[Acala]

That makes it even better. It's voluntary martial law. Police and military are doing house to house searches without warrants. Justified? Maybe under the circumstances. Bad precedent? Most definitely!


Ain't no such thing as voluntary martial law. Martial law is the suspension of civil law and replacement with law by military edict. That has not happened. The military did not issue edicts requiring people to do anything.

Also, warrantless searches are perfectly lawful under civil law IF you consent.

Show me a case where searches are happening without consent and without probable cause and you might have a case. Show me where people are ordered to stay inside by the military under threat of some kind of penalty and you might have a case.

I have seen no evidence of that.

The presence of tanks and troops does not equal martial law.

Martial law has a precise meaning. This isn't it.

[jmdrake]

For the standpoint of acclimatizing the American people, which is what the OP seems to have been talking about, none of what you just said matters.


Ain't no such thing as voluntary martial law. Martial law is the suspension of civil law and replacement with law by military edict. That has not happened. The military did not issue edicts requiring people to do anything.

Also, warrantless searches are perfectly lawful under civil law IF you consent.

Show me a case where searches are happening without consent and without probable cause and you might have a case. Show me where people are ordered to stay inside by the military under threat of some kind of penalty and you might have a case.

I have seen no evidence of that.

The presence of tanks and troops does not equal martial law.

Martial law has a precise meaning. This isn't it.

[69360]

And if someone choses not to comply?

From the pics I've seen you end up face down in the dirt cuffed by masked sturmtruppen.

Willkommen in Amerika.

[V3n]

Maybe you want to get a different name for it, but psychologically mind-effing people into voluntarily putting themselves into house-arrest and allowing armed men in uniform to stroll through their homes.. if it's not "martial law"; it's something worse. (because they didn't even have the decency to call it what it is)

[Acala]

For the standpoint of acclimatizing the American people, which is what the OP seems to have been talking about, none of what you just said matters.

Merely pointing out that when people are calling this event "martial law" they are using the term incorrectly. If people want to use the term incorrectly because it has more "impact", have at it. It's still wrong. :-)

[jmdrake]

Merely pointing out that when people are calling this event "martial law" they are using the term incorrectly. If people want to use the term incorrectly because it has more "impact", have at it. It's still wrong. :-)

news broadcasts depicting martial law

Whether the news is depicting the situation accurately is another matter altogether.

[Acala]

news broadcasts depicting martial law

Whether the news is depicting the situation accurately is another matter altogether.

Martial law cannot be depicted in a photo. Martial law is a legal condition in which military edict supercedes civil law. I am not aware of any report of such happening in Boston. Would I be surprised that a news report would misuse the term? Hahahahahahaha! No.

[otherone]

This sets a monstrous precedent. What prevents "them" from doing this on a "normal" manhunt?

[tod evans]

Armed militarized troops searching homes "with consent"...

Armed military troops searching homes "by order"....


In the end there are armed troops searching homes!

This is not the America I grew up believing in.:(

[dusman]

Ain't no such thing as voluntary martial law. Martial law is the suspension of civil law and replacement with law by military edict. That has not happened. The military did not issue edicts requiring people to do anything.

Also, warrantless searches are perfectly lawful under civil law IF you consent.

Show me a case where searches are happening without consent and without probable cause and you might have a case. Show me where people are ordered to stay inside by the military under threat of some kind of penalty and you might have a case.

I have seen no evidence of that.

The presence of tanks and troops does not equal martial law.

Martial law has a precise meaning. This isn't it.

Actually, I think I disagree with you here.

I interpret the 4th Amendment to mean that all searches and seizures (whether by consent, non-consent, or compulsion) require a search warrant. If ignorance is no excuse, it must be applied both ways. Just because the populace might be ignorant and comply, does not give our government waiver and I don't believe they are ignorant to such requirement under our Constitution. Does it say in the 4th unless consent is given?

If I'm wrong, what is to stop 100 armed personnel outside your home ASKING if they may come in and search? Those not ready to "die as a free man" as said above, will comply and will do so under duress.

[dusman]

Also, Wikipedia (poor source I know) states this under the term Duress:


Duress or coercion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion) can also be raised in an allegation of rape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape) or sexual assault (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault) to negate a defense of consent on the part of the person making the allegation.

I'm sure the same applies here.

[dillo]

hes guilty though, i saw it on the news:toady:

[Kodaddy]

You're watching an exercise in how to disarm an entire town...killing a kid is just a bonus...

[RockEnds]

This sets a monstrous precedent. What prevents "them" from doing this on a "normal" manhunt?

This is a normal manhunt.

[RockEnds]

It isn't martial law. People are not prohibited from leaving their homes. Civil law has not been suspended. The 4th amendment has not been suspended. People are voluntarily cooperating with the "authorities". Presumably because they are of one mind that they want the murderer caught as soon as possible.

Repeat - this is not martial law.

Strictly speaking, you're right. However, to be cliche, it's close enough for government work.

[iamse7en]

How will Americans respond to news broadcasts depicting martial law in a major city?

Acquiescence.

[CPUd]

Here is the problem. Some of you think people should be able to go outside and walk around. Suppose they were out walking around and tripped an explosive device that was planted this morning. Or even if they were just outside, the guy they are chasing runs down the street and everybody gets killed in the crossfire.

Then people would be on the internet raising hell about why didn't the cops clear the area. Either way, the cops take shit. But with the way they are doing it now, no bystanders get killed.


But what I hope the country sees with this is that after 12 years of getting ready for something like this, the anti-terrorism industry are still predominantly a reactionary force.

[dusman]

Here is the problem. Some of you think people should be able to go outside and walk around. Suppose they were out walking around and tripped an explosive device that was planted this morning. Or even if they were just outside, the guy they are chasing runs down the street and everybody gets killed in the crossfire.

Then people would be on the internet raising hell about why didn't the cops clear the area. Either way, the cops take shit. But with the way they are doing it now, no bystanders get killed.


But what I hope the country sees with this is that after 12 years of getting ready for something like this, the anti-terrorism industry are still predominantly a reactionary force.

FAIL. I'll walk wherever the fuck I please, even if it means over a cliff. I'm American.

Everyone walking down the street might have a bomb, so to protect you we will have to cavity search every single ass.

Yes, I think any American should be able to go outside and walk around. Are you kidding me?

[CPUd]

You know I meant this particular situation, and not in general.

[donnay]

Ain't no such thing as voluntary martial law. Martial law is the suspension of civil law and replacement with law by military edict. That has not happened. The military did not issue edicts requiring people to do anything.

Also, warrantless searches are perfectly lawful under civil law IF you consent.

Show me a case where searches are happening without consent and without probable cause and you might have a case. Show me where people are ordered to stay inside by the military under threat of some kind of penalty and you might have a case.

I have seen no evidence of that.

The presence of tanks and troops does not equal martial law.

Martial law has a precise meaning. This isn't it.


Just as our government hasn't declared war, nor did they declare Martial Law---they just do it, they are that arrogant! And the people sheepishly comply.

Troops and militarized police on our streets, with guns, is martial law, any way you slice it.

[Henry Rogue]

Just as our government hasn't declared war, nor did they declare Martial Law---they just do it, they are that arrogant! And the people sheepishly comply.

Troops and militarized police on our streets, with guns, is martial law, any way you slice it.
You beat me to it.

[The Northbreather]

Just as our government hasn't declared war, nor did they declare Martial Law---they just do it, they are that arrogant! And the people sheepishly comply.

Troops and militarized police on our streets, with guns, is martial law, any way you slice it.

It's the spirit if not the letter of the law ;)

[CPUd]

I'm curious, with regards to how they conducted the manhunt, what would you guys see as a proper way to handle this situation?

[Philhelm]

Why can't you people simply kneel before your masters?

[Philhelm]

I'm curious, with regards to how they conducted the manhunt, what would you guys see as a proper way to handle this situation?

The U.S. government should have issued a Letter of Marque.

[CPUd]

The U.S. government should have issued a Letter of Marque.

I could envision that, but then the problem getting there is not with the State, it is with the thought process of the citizens who grant the State the authority to do what they did today.

[donnay]

I'm curious, with regards to how they conducted the manhunt, what would you guys see as a proper way to handle this situation?

Sheriff and his deputized posses to bring them in alive and stand a trial--not militarized police and military using tax payers money to be judge, jury and executioner.

[parocks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U86d8LE0mc

Aunt of Boston Bombers Doesn't Believe FBI Story

[The Northbreather]

I'm curious, with regards to how they conducted the manhunt, what would you guys see as a proper way to handle this situation?

Yeah, we shoulda gave each cop their own tank escorted by a pack of trained k-9s.

Then we'd really be safe.

[CPUd]

Sheriff and his deputized posses to bring them in alive and stand a trial--not militarized police and military using tax payers money to be judge, jury and executioner.

I think the only way to get people to go for that is to frame it in a way that they don't see it as regressing. Perhaps find a way to incorporate technology into the process. Some of the neighborhoods were putting out pictures of these guys out in the street before the press even knew what was going on.

[donnay]

I am sure there will be a ticker tape parade in the future. :rolleyes:

[The Northbreather]

I'm curious, with regards to how they conducted the manhunt, what would you guys see as a proper way to handle this situation?

Seriously though I'm more disappointed in the populous.

The man will always try to dominate a situation with power but the people shouldn't cave into fear so easily.

I wish that the coverage would have been dominated with interviews of citizens taking responsibility for their own safety.

I would have loved to see a couple spots on some Bostonians griping their guns and saying "I'd like to see that guy try to take my car"

far more effective on so many levels

[RockEnds]

I'm curious, with regards to how they conducted the manhunt, what would you guys see as a proper way to handle this situation?

Issue an APB. Maybe make the tv beep and broadcast one of those garbled civil alert announcements. Then because the people have the right to bear arms, the police state doesn't have to immediately pop into full-scale war mode. They can patrol a little more seriously and wait for some guy to check the boat in his backyard.

[donnay]

I think the only way to get people to go for that is to frame it in a way that they don't see it as regressing. Perhaps find a way to incorporate technology into the process. Some of the neighborhoods were putting out pictures of these guys out in the street before the press even knew what was going on.

First we need to educate the people on the Constitution. No where in the Constitution does it recognize/acknowledge a police force. As a matter of fact our founders warned us of standing armies. This is what the police force is, a standing army--to impose tyranny.

That same technology can and has been used for bad as well as good.

[CPUd]

Seriously though I'm more disappointed in the populous.

The man will always try to dominate a situation with power but the people shouldn't cave into fear so easily.

I wish that the coverage would have been dominated with interviews of citizens taking responsibility for their own safety.

I would have loved to see a couple spots on some Bostonians griping their guns and saying "I'd like to see that guy try to take my car"

far more effective on so many levels

That's what it would be like in TN ;)


It's not an easy solution though, to get back to the way things "should" be. For every person who stands on their porch with a shotgun, there are 2 or 3 who say the police need to handle that.

[jtstellar]

Customers came in today talking about how bad traffic was today. I mentioned that it could be worse, we could be in Boston all under lockdown. She says 'well hey, I'd get an extra day off! *laugh laugh laugh* :mad:

yessss i think my stereotype just went up.. like it isn't already high

[Henry Rogue]

I'm curious, with regards to how they conducted the manhunt, what would you guys see as a proper way to handle this situation?In the future we could stop fighting wars and stop manipulating other countries. that would do more to make this country safer than any police state ever will.

[parocks]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151433378154389&set=a.10150675321009389.394766.747974388&type=1

hey bro where'd your backpack go?

(actually, the "contractor" story has pix of this guy with this backpack after the bomb.)

[The Northbreather]

Safest place in the world?



http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDpWceqYK_xplYtvvi0jLr0qIM1jmza pKSmZQhwhm_12KGGXz3



LOCKDOWN

[No Free Beer]

Well, if you show up in an urban battle tank with 50 soldiers, most people aren't going to say no.

That's the best you could do?

[No Free Beer]

In the future we could stop fighting wars and stop manipulating other countries. that would do more to make this country safer than any police state ever will.

Dude, wtf are you talking about?

[SeanTX]

Issue an APB. Maybe make the tv beep and broadcast one of those garbled civil alert announcements. Then because the people have the right to bear arms, the police state doesn't have to immediately pop into full-scale war mode. They can patrol a little more seriously and wait for some guy to check the boat in his backyard.

And lets not forget that the guy who found the suspect in his boat didn't go outside until his masters allowed him to be released from "lockdown." Had he not been "allowed" to go outside (on his own damned property mind you) he likely would have remained cowering inside his house -- and the suspect might have been able to escape.

I also don't understand why the police are getting all the credit when it was a mundane/citizen that finally found him. In any place other than MA the mundane could have either detained the guy at gunpoint , or shot him -- no cops needed except for hauling him off to jail, or the morgue.

[dusman]

Sheriff and his deputized posses to bring them in alive and stand a trial--not militarized police and military using tax payers money to be judge, jury and executioner.

Yep, I definately agree. Sheriff can deputize anyone too. Its about the most powerful position we elect IMO. Someone mentioned Letter of Marque and Reprisal, but really the Sheriff's posse is probably to the same effect, so it's really not necessary and perhaps too strong for the circumstance. It is a good balance with the 2nd Amendment too as the citizenry really can handle itself in a lot of cases if it chooses to.


I think the only way to get people to go for that is to frame it in a way that they don't see it as regressing. Perhaps find a way to incorporate technology into the process. Some of the neighborhoods were putting out pictures of these guys out in the street before the press even knew what was going on.

Good idea, actually. Sheriff dept. could do lots of things with the technology that's here now. Mobile is quite a powerful tool and I wouldn't be surprised to see digital access in mobile app form to emergency care in general coming. Call 911? I'm notifying my county dept, whose closest deputy to my location will be alarmed. Stuff like that.

[Dogsoldier]

"The military did not issue edicts requiring people to do anything."

Thats because the people were cooperating.

Imagine what would have happened if they didn't.

[Mani]

Interesting about the
Ockdown as some people were forced from their homes.....the police showed up and said GET OUT, leave now. The family had to pick up their infant and walk out of their home immediately. They were not when they could come back, how long, where to go....just get out, go that way...

It appears some homes were forced to leave with no information.....

[DGambler]

I am sure there will be a ticker tape parade in the future. :rolleyes:

Just saw a pack of wild animals on the tube celebrating and chanting "Boston, Boston, Boston"

[RockEnds]

And lets not forget that the guy who found the suspect in his boat didn't go outside until his masters allowed him to be released from "lockdown." Had he not been "allowed" to go outside (on his own damned property mind you) he likely would have remained cowering inside his house -- and the suspect might have been able to escape.

I also don't understand why the police are getting all the credit when it was a mundane/citizen that finally found him. In any place other than MA the mundane could have either detained the guy at gunpoint , or shot him -- no cops needed except for hauling him off to jail, or the morgue.

Yeah, it really turned out to be much ado about nothing. I shutter to think of the money spent on that operation. Yet, the kid wasn't found until they told people they could walk outside again. What a cluster....

[DGambler]

Yeah, it really turned out to be much ado about nothing. I shutter to think of the money spent on that operation. Yet, the kid wasn't found until they told people they could walk outside again. What a cluster....

And yet we're seeing the celebration by the State for their success and being put in harms way. I haven't seen one "spotlight" yet on the victims of the bombing, but I have of a shot policeman.

It's so damn obvious, why don't the rest of my fellow mudanes see it too?

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I was thinking this (is a test) too. Shocked there hasn't been a single resident not to allow the warrant-less invasions yet!

If 12 heavily armed soldier cops came to your doorstep, you would resist? Live to fight another day.

[tod evans]

I'm curious, with regards to how they conducted the manhunt, what would you guys see as a proper way to handle this situation?

I do not see masked militarized men searching door to door as acceptable even if searching for the most evil violent human on the planet.

Whether it's apathy, conditioning or fear that has emasculated the citizenry to the point that this behavior is acceptable matters naught.

Neighbors must learn to band together rather than isolate themselves and permit military style sweeps of their dwellings....I would have no problem with neighbors donning body armor and brandishing fully automatic weapons in defense of one-another but when federally subsidized mercenaries are brought in to "lock-down" or take control of a neighborhood, that's tyranny! Heck I even view these actions as martial law.

Simply removing federal oversight, funding and control from the situation would go a long way toward alleviating the appearance of martial law.

Neighbors defending themselves is noble, hired mercenaries taking control is not!

So to answer your question;

"They" should not be handling manhunts, "we" should...

The face knocking on your door should be known to you.

[V3n]

If 12 heavily armed soldier cops came to your doorstep, you would resist? Live to fight another day.

Yeah, honestly I'd probably fold - or Lady_V3n would make me. I was just hoping there'd be someone older and grumpier than me in Watertown.

[Anti Federalist]

It isn't martial law. People are not prohibited from leaving their homes. Civil law has not been suspended. The 4th amendment has not been suspended. People are voluntarily cooperating with the "authorities". Presumably because they are of one mind that they want the murderer caught as soon as possible.

Repeat - this is not martial law.

True, however, martial law was declared in Mass this winter, over a snowstorm.

The order went out, you would be fined/arrested if found out on the roads.

That's close enough to me, even if, nominally, trials have not been suspended.

There are are few or no real trial left and few if any 4th Amendment protections left.

Think we're just arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin at this point.

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah, honestly I'd probably fold - or Lady_V3n would make me. I was just hoping there'd be someone older and grumpier than me in Watertown.

That realization is the first thing to be done in steeling oneself.

[searcher]

If it looks like a duck and acts like a duck (and is a genetic match to a duck) it doesn't matter what the duck calls himself. He's a duck.

[liveandletlive]

I do not see masked militarized men searching door to door as acceptable even if searching for the most evil violent human on the planet.

Whether it's apathy, conditioning or fear that has emasculated the citizenry to the point that this behavior is acceptable matters naught.

Neighbors must learn to band together rather than isolate themselves and permit military style sweeps of their dwellings....I would have no problem with neighbors donning body armor and brandishing fully automatic weapons in defense of one-another but when federally subsidized mercenaries are brought in to "lock-down" or take control of a neighborhood, that's tyranny! Heck I even view these actions as martial law.

Simply removing federal oversight, funding and control from the situation would go a long way toward alleviating the appearance of martial law.

Neighbors defending themselves is noble, hired mercenaries taking control is not!

So to answer your question;

"They" should not be handling manhunts, "we" should...

The face knocking on your door should be known to you.

I wouldnt trust a stranger/neighbor taking the law into his own hands either.

[searcher]

Just saw a pack of wild animals on the tube celebrating and chanting "Boston, Boston, Boston"

I can understand the relief but the celebrations are as if they had won the Super Bowl. In fact they had just scored a touch down in the 1st quarter. Imagine what people in actual war zones would say about a populous that was so frozen by fear. I'm not saying I would have been brave enough to venture out and walk the dog but nobody? Not a single person?

[kcchiefs6465]

I can understand the relief but the celebrations are as if they had won the Super Bowl. In fact they had just scored a touch down in the 1st quarter. Imagine what people in actual war zones would say about a populous that was so frozen by fear. I'm not saying I would have been brave enough to venture out and walk the dog but nobody? Not a single person?
I would not be worried about a bomb blowing up but I probably wouldn't have ventured out. Not worth the hassle and you'd be running the risk of getting shot by the police. (or stripped naked and paraded as a suspect) No one would be searching my house without a warrant.

[jonhowe]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? These guys allegedly killed 3 people with bombs and another with guns. My brother heard the damn gunshots from the latter. You want to send few cops with side arms after guys who likely have more bombs (and now we know they did) and guns and who are more than happy to use them on people? You don't have a realistic suggestion.

I think this was handled well. It was not "STAY IN YOUR HOMES OR GET SHOT", it was "Stay inside, we're looking for guys with guns and bombs". My brother went out to get coffee and the shop was open (he lives in the heart of cambridge). Quelle horreur!!


Also, I look forward to seeing more of the evidence at trial so we can put the false flag conspiracies to rest (or not, if they end up validated).

[familydog]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? These guys allegedly killed 3 people with bombs and another with guns. My brother heard the damn gunshots from the latter. You want to send few cops with side arms after guys who likely have more bombs (and now we know they did) and guns and who are more than happy to use them on people? You don't have a realistic suggestion.

I think this was handled well. It was not "STAY IN YOUR HOMES OR GET SHOT", it was "Stay inside, we're looking for guys with guns and bombs". My brother went out to get coffee and the shop was open (he lives in the heart of cambridge). Quelle horreur!!


Also, I look forward to seeing more of the evidence at trial so we can put the false flag conspiracies to rest (or not, if they end up validated).

Oh, yes. That fair trial he will get. I can't wait.

[tod evans]

I wouldnt trust a stranger/neighbor taking the law into his own hands either.

But you'll "trust" government agents you've never even met?

Sorry man, I'm not wired that way..

[jonhowe]

Oh, yes. That fair trial he will get. I can't wait.

Of course it wont be fair, but it'll be something. The media's to blame for that. Perhaps we should censor them?

[pcosmar]

Of course it wont be fair, but it'll be something. The media's to blame for that. Perhaps we should censor them?

Doubts.. The usual GOP Fucktards are pushing to have him named an "Enemy Combatant". No Trial..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/04/20/gop-lawmakers-want-boston-bombing-suspect-treated-as-enemy-combatant/