FBI Hearing on NOW 5pm. Boston Live Blog

[radiofriendly]

Boston Live Blog/Stream of FBI 5pm hearing (running late) set to release photos and video...

> http://iroots.org/?p=11436

[libertygrl]

Fox News was just reporting that the FBI is going to release a video tape. And the reporter on Fox News was saying it's of a very young white guy.


http://live.foxnews.com/#/1155606216001

[itshappening]

Sources: Video to be released... clear.. white guy...

Probably the pedo guy. He's the patsy.

[kcchiefs6465]

:eek: They have black posters! This is going to be big, guys!

The MSM is too damn funny. I really can't watch this for much longer. They need to hurry up.

[itshappening]

10 mins late.

Got to love Federal workers.

[kcchiefs6465]

10 mins late.

Got to love Federal workers.
And Wolf Blitzer is covering for them flawlessly. "Uh, it's not unusal that they"... STFU wolf.

The whole thing is a big circle jerk.

[pcosmar]

Sources: Video to be released... clear.. white guy...

Probably the pedo guy. He's the patsy.

Well it is certainly not going to be any of the Military "cut outs" or Operators seen in several photos.

[MRK]

And Wolf Blitzer is covering for them flawlessly. "Uh, it's not unusal that they"... STFU wolf.

The whole thing is a big circle jerk.

Now now, delivering carefully crafted propaganda on live TV has many potential pitfalls. They're trying to do their best here by giving the script one last run-through before live.

[itshappening]

Nearly 20 mins late.

this is timed for people coming home and for total show.

This guy is going to be a total patsy

[kcchiefs6465]

Camera shot of a camera guy getting a camera shot. This is breaking stuff here.

[HOLLYWOOD]

In before the findings revealed... 90% of all involved were FBI informants or enablers/handlers under some sort of FBI sting op.

Here's a guess: FBI revealed... THE INTERNET was the problem, and CISPA, that passed today, will help government catch their own creations before they hatch in the future. :rolleyes:

[MRK]

photos of suspects available on fbi.gov

two suspects in particular. kind of look white, maybe middle eastern, i'm not really sure how to classify people based on color (i'm colorblind you could say).

one of them was allegedly seen leaving a backpack at the second bomb site

one of the guys has a 'white hat' but does not look anything like the other guy with the 'white hat'.

[itshappening]

it's not the pedo...

These guys are just walking around.

This is ridiculous.

They haven't got anyone lugging bombs or planting them?

This is lame!

[kcchiefs6465]

http://i.imgur.com/VrCo072.jpg?1

[MRK]

considered to be armed and extremely dangerous, no one should attempt to apprehend them, if you see these men call law enforcement. only law enforcement should handle these people.

WHOA the stream just jacked up the volume and almost blew out my speakers. it was really low though at first lol

[Ranger29860]

it's not the pedo...

These guys are just walking around.

This is ridiculous.

They haven't got anyone lugging bombs or planting them?

This is lame!

One of the videos on the fbi site show the white guy dropping his back pack at the second site and hauling ass away right before the blast... so yeah they got nothing :rolleyes:

[kcchiefs6465]

http://i.imgur.com/X2MYPxK.jpg?1

[itshappening]

I didn't see that... INFOWARS THERE!!

[kcchiefs6465]

http://i.imgur.com/jneSZUS.jpg?1

[Ranger29860]

o goddammit infowars ppl there.

[MRK]

lol some reporter just asked him a question (not sure about what, couldn't hear). the fbi infodude just stared at him and said "next question"


suspect number two wearing white hat is the guy who allegedly planted the bomb (again this is different suspect with white hat than shown in the other picture with the other guy with the blue bag)

[kcchiefs6465]

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[kcchiefs6465]

Was he on the Infowars website? Looks like he has the beige pants and combat boots.

http://i.imgur.com/eUuanBI.jpg?1

[jct74]

INFOWARS dude strikes again, lol.

[itshappening]

INFOWARS dude strikes again, lol.

Classic.

[kcchiefs6465]

INFOWARS dude strikes again, lol.
What did he ask? I already shut it off by then.

[MRK]

CBS stream talking head saying "we reviewed the video the FBI just posted, and these men weren't seen in the video doing anything suspicious or dropping a backpack anywhere." other talking head replies "well the FBI probably has more video footage, they just haven't released it yet".

LOL.

[mport1]

Haha, an Infowars nutjob made it in again. Glad to see them continue to discredit themselves.

[BSU kid]

The guy in the white looks like a liberal/anarchist/skateboarder punk type...guy in black cap looks to be darker skinned, mixed race...muslim, latino or South European not out of the question. His demeanor seems different then the white hat guy, surprised they are working together.

[MRK]

CBS stream talking head saying "we reviewed the video the FBI just posted, and these men weren't seen in the video doing anything suspicious or dropping a backpack anywhere." other talking head replies "well the FBI probably has more video footage, they just haven't released it yet".

LOL.

Annnnnnnnd this is exactly why in an above post I made sure to use the word "allegedly" when describing that the FBI said the man was seen dropping a backpack at the second bombsite.

This was an important word to add, as the FBI still hasn't produced evidence of that itty biny tiny somewhat maybe crucial act of actually leaving a bomb at the explosion site, so these are dubious, unsubstantiated allegations at best at this point :rolleyes:

[itshappening]

@gilbertjasono: How does Infowars keep on getting press credentials for these things?

[itshappening]

The guy in the white looks like a liberal/anarchist/skateboarder punk type...guy in black cap looks to be darker skinned, mixed race...muslim, latino or South European not out of the question. His demeanor seems different then the white hat guy, surprised they are working together.

I'm presuming these are backup patsies... video I saw were they were just walking around and didnt seem suspicious.

[Petar]

I don't see him drop the bag in this video. Does anyone have a link to a video where he drops the bag?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M80DXI932OE

[RickyJ]

I don't see him drop the bag in this video. Does anyone have a link to a video where he drops the bag?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M80DXI932OE

Is this the video the FBI just released?

[Petar]

Is this the video the FBI just released?

Yes, that's the only one I could find off their website.

[itshappening]

Yes, it looks lame to me. Plus their bags aren't bulky enough to look like they're carrying bombs.

[kcchiefs6465]

Is this the video the FBI just released?
Yes. In the press conference they said they had video of one of the suspect placing the bomb.

[BSU kid]

Those images are so grainy, it is hard to make out who they are.

[itshappening]

Yes. In the press conference they said they had video of one of the suspect placing the bomb.


Release it then.

[BSU kid]

Anyone notice the infamous yellow balloons in the video being held by a woman in blue, this must be very shortly before the bombs detonated.

[ZENemy]

Release it then.

It's not back from editing yet. :D

[MRK]

Yes. In the press conference they said they had video of one of the suspect placing the bomb.

And the evidence was so damning that they couldn't even release it!

Right after the Q&A ended on the stream, it went to a CBS talking head who said "We just reviewed the video they posted, it didn't show anyone dropping a bomb...???" Other talking head replies: "Well they probably have the video, they just haven't released it yet."

Why not? They had no problem releasing everything else except the most damning part!

[kcchiefs6465]

Release it then.
I agree. If you comb through other video and pictures you might be able to find them. (maybe not dropping the bag but without a bag) The one guy with the black hat looks familiar from another set of pictures I saw. I think Infowars may have pointed him out already.

[itshappening]

Because they've got nothing.

They're liars.

[itshappening]

Backwards white hat guy is definitely in other pics ive seen so wait and see.

[itshappening]

Alex reckons the pedo/redneck is the original patsy and these guys are nothing.

That's what I think.

He says they're in 'disarray'

[MRK]

Starting at 5:30:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lrBamB98ac

"What would you say to those who are doubtful that this assassination actually took place, that Osama bin Laden was buried at sea; that we do have photographs and so on. What would you say to them?"

"[laughs] The question I have is, why does our government invite conspiracy theories all the time? [laughs] I mean, why didn't they show a picture? Nobody questions Saddam Hussein's death, you know they showed pictures of him and his son, and I don't hear any questions about that. Maybe at the beginning. But you know I have a medical question, trying to confirm the timing, I understand he was killed like Sunday afternoon, and by Sunday 9 o clock, it was announced that the President was going to speak, and that they had DNA proof of the individual. Well to my knowledge, I didn't know they could do DNA proof that quickly. And then they came back and they said, well, we have facial features, and we'll get the results of the DNA later. It's the confusion, and I just sort of hate to talk about it in detail until we know more about the information, you know every day we get a little more of the information."

[green73]

Meanwhile, the creepy left will hate on whitey for a news cycle or two.

[Gaddafi Duck]

http://i.imgur.com/jneSZUS.jpg?1

Anyone notice this kid's backpack isn't the same color as the one they've been showing on tv??

[MRK]

Repost of above

[phill4paul]

Both those bags look too light in color. This guys bag looks more like the back pack.

http://i.imgur.com/eePetDUh.jpg

[kcchiefs6465]

Both those bags look too light in color. This guys bag looks more like the back pack.

http://i.imgur.com/eePetDUh.jpg
Black hat's bag looks similar. You can see it if you pause the video. (the angle of him walking away) There appears to be a grey stripe on his backpack strap.

[Gaddafi Duck]

Both those bags look too light in color. This guys bag looks more like the back pack.

http://i.imgur.com/eePetDUh.jpg

Exactly. +1 rep

[kcchiefs6465]

Exactly. +1 rep
Watch the video. Guy with the black hat's bag appears to have a grey stripe which could be what is shown in the picture. Can't really say for sure.

[itshappening]

Both those bags look too light in color. This guys bag looks more like the back pack.

http://i.imgur.com/eePetDUh.jpg



This guy is the original patsy in my opinion but now these guys are backups.

[phill4paul]

Black hat's bag looks similar. You can see it if you pause the video. (the angle of him walking away) There appears to be a grey stripe on his backpack strap.

Still looks too light in color to me. Could be the sheen of the material. Dunno.

[itshappening]

@RealAlexJones We're watching the #NWO burn down. http://Infowars.com is getting 1 million visitors every couple of minutes
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He must be exaggerating... but the reporter was definitely shouting INFOWARS.COM

[Gaddafi Duck]

Watch the video. Guy with the black hat's bag appears to have a grey stripe which could be what is shown in the picture. Can't really say for sure.

There were 2 explosions, right?

[KramerDSP]

The young kid looks and dresses like Ricky Rubio.

[kcchiefs6465]

Both those bags look too light in color. This guys bag looks more like the back pack.

http://i.imgur.com/eePetDUh.jpg

I circled in red what could possibly be the grey stripe in the right picture. The camera dulls the black colors. (if you look at the woman's leggings, the hat color, etc. they are all lighter than they are)

http://i.imgur.com/oSlwmkG.jpg?1

[kcchiefs6465]

There were 2 explosions, right?
Yes there were.

[itshappening]

Jones is cussing the NWO.

[phill4paul]

I circled in red what could possibly be the grey stripe in the right picture. The camera dulls the black colors. (if you look at the woman's leggings, the hat color, etc. they are all lighter than they are)

http://i.imgur.com/oSlwmkG.jpg?1

I dunno. Tough to tell. Still looks too light in color to me.

[affa]

One of the videos on the fbi site show the white guy dropping his back pack at the second site and hauling ass away right before the blast... so yeah they got nothing :rolleyes:

link? i haven't seen any video of anyone dropping anything and then running off.

[itshappening]

Alex is ranting that the backpacks are grey not black.

[Gaddafi Duck]

Yes there were.

Notice the people who follow the FBI's suspects. They had backpacks too.. They should be suspects. How are these clips damning?? Where's the clip of them planting the bags? Why show us people walking outside with bags that don't even resemble the one used in the bombing?

[KramerDSP]

One of the videos on the fbi site show the white guy dropping his back pack at the second site and hauling ass away right before the blast... so yeah they got nothing :rolleyes:

I am at the FBI site and I do not see this video of the white guy dropping his backpack and hauling ass.

[Gaddafi Duck]

Alex is ranting that the backpacks are grey not black.

Where are you listening to Alex at??

[KramerDSP]

Notice the people who follow the FBI's suspects. They had backpacks too.. They should be suspects. How are these clips damning?? Where's the clip of them planting the bags? Why show us people walking outside with bags that don't even resemble the one used in the bombing?

My guess is they believe this kid is the one whose cell phone triggered the first explosion based on this screencap and the comments yesterday that "he's trapped by his phone".

http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/image/suspect-2-with-hand-by-ear-circled

[cajuncocoa]

Sources: Video to be released... clear.. white guy...

Probably the pedo guy. He's the patsy.
You know, you really should stop calling this man "pedo guy"....there is no basis to label someone that way. Please grow up.

[KramerDSP]

Alex reckons the pedo/redneck is the original patsy and these guys are nothing.

That's what I think.

He says they're in 'disarray'

OK, if "Pedo", as you so affectionally call him based solely on his disheveled appearance, is the original "patsy", why are they looking for new patsys?

[KramerDSP]

You know, you really should stop calling this man "pedo guy"....there is no basis to label someone that way. Please grow up.

QFT

[torchbearer]

My guess is they believe this kid is the one whose cell phone triggered the first explosion based on this screencap and the comments yesterday that "he's trapped by his phone".

http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston/image/suspect-2-with-hand-by-ear-circled

I may have been on my cell phone at that time too. circumstance.

[kcchiefs6465]

Notice the people who follow the FBI's suspects. They had backpacks too.. They should be suspects. How are these clips damning?? Where's the clip of them planting the bags? Why show us people walking outside with bags that don't even resemble the one used in the bombing?
These clips in particular aren't. With the snafu of the media releasing photos of the teenager and his friend as suspects, I'd imagine they have something else that says these two had something to do with it before giving it to the media. I don't know why they wouldn't release the video (if they have it) of the man putting down the bag. I am withholding my verdict until I see more evidence. It won't be long until those two are identified.

[dannno]

You know, you really should stop calling this man "pedo guy"....there is no basis to label someone that way. Please grow up.

Ya, Tea Party Patsy is a bit more appropriate..

[itshappening]

You know, you really should stop calling this man "pedo guy"....there is no basis to label someone that way. Please grow up.

http://www.seaviewstickers.co.uk/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/e/pedo_bear_2.gif

[dannno]

OK, if "Pedo", as you so affectionally call him based solely on his disheveled appearance, is the original "patsy", why are they looking for new patsys?

Because the Tea Party Patriot Patsy didn't follow through and they can't pin it on him, or the pics that were released by infowars prevented them from being able to pin it on him.

[pcosmar]

What about the military cut outs wearing the Assassin hats?

Their bags looked to be the same.

[MRK]

Alex is ranting that the backpacks are grey not black.

Don't bomb explosions at point blank range from black powder cause things to turn black, or is that just in the cartoons?

[kcchiefs6465]

What about the military cut outs wearing the Assassin hats.
Why would they label themselves? Or for that matter, why dress generally the same?

The guy with the black hat is wearing about what they were, FWIW. Look at the boots and pants.

[itshappening]

you can't detonate bombs via cellphones. That's pure fiction.

These kids are not bombers imho.

[affa]

ok, whenever i see the picture of what is supposed to be the bomb next to the post office box, it looks like a white bag with something brown in it. specifically, i'm talking about this:

http://files.foxnewsinsider.com/cdn/farfuture/uzTN2LamffPLSG3qnt2Wq5E6i1B5vvEZCA83wwWahRM/mtime:1366214116/sites/foxnewsinsider.com/files/styles/780/public/field/image/BombPhotoNew.jpg?itok=f5GI5nUU

i understand they keep showing that other pick of the backpack, but what is this bag supposed to be?

[dbill27]

the FBI is only going to release the videos and pictures that give the best chances of identifying the suspects. Them not releasing the video of the suspect leaving his bag means nothing

[KramerDSP]

Was he on the Infowars website? Looks like he has the beige pants and combat boots.

http://i.imgur.com/eUuanBI.jpg?1

He sorta looks like the Navy Seal guy, but with a much slimmer jacket, so it's not the same guy.

http://i.imgur.com/Yqq0ZDM.jpg

[kcchiefs6465]

Don't bomb explosions at point blank range from black powder cause things to turn black, or is that just in the cartoons?
That's not what happened here. The filling of the bag is still white. (and I'd doubt it ever be as pronounced as the cartoons) The video's colors are all dulled. I cropped the picture but at 13 seconds you can see a woman in black leggings that appear faded as well.

[dbill27]

you can't detonate bombs via cellphones. That's pure fiction.

These kids are not bombers imho.

it's entirely possible to detonate a bomb using a cellphone.

[cajuncocoa]

Well, I have to agree with the consensus here...the backpacks these two are carrying don't appear to be the right color. In addition, there is no "gotcha" photo-op of either of them dropping the package on the street. Is the FBI "Richard Jewel-ing" these two young men? Unless they're holding back information I see no basis for plastering their photos all over the country and ruining their lives if they're not the correct suspects.

[kcchiefs6465]

you can't detonate bombs via cellphones. That's pure fiction.

These kids are not bombers imho.
Yes you can. Don't speak from ignorance.

[kcchiefs6465]

ok, whenever i see the picture of what is supposed to be the bomb next to the post office box, it looks like a white bag with something brown in it. specifically, i'm talking about this:

http://files.foxnewsinsider.com/cdn/farfuture/uzTN2LamffPLSG3qnt2Wq5E6i1B5vvEZCA83wwWahRM/mtime:1366214116/sites/foxnewsinsider.com/files/styles/780/public/field/image/BombPhotoNew.jpg?itok=f5GI5nUU

i understand they keep showing that other pick of the backpack, but what is this bag supposed to be?
Now THAT'S a good question.

[itshappening]

Where's the detonation device? they should have it but they don;t.

They should have put everything on public view by now.

And if they had him dropping his bag, that too.

it's total BS.

THE BAGS ARE NOT BULKY ENOUGH TO BE CARRYING BOMBS.

the kid has his bag off his shoulder. he's not lugging a bomb.

The bombs weigh at least 30lbs.

[cajuncocoa]

you can't detonate bombs via cellphones. That's pure fiction.

These kids are not bombers imho.Yes, you can.

[KramerDSP]

Watching CBS News, the lead FBI guy was saying they first zeroed in on Suspect #2 (who looks like Ricky Rubio) because he was on the cellphone at the time of the first explosion. They also say he dropped his bag at the second site and then fled. What could be stopping them from sharing that video?

[dbill27]

Well, I have to agree with the consensus here...the backpacks these two are carrying don't appear to be the right color. In addition, there is no "gotcha" photo-op of either of them dropping the package on the street. Is the FBI "Richard Jewel-ing" these two young men? Unless they're holding back information I see no basis for plastering their photos all over the country and ruining their lives if they're not the correct suspects.

You can barely see their faces from the released pictures, the camera from the store that shows the backpack by the mailbox is much further away so it's probably much less useful in helping the public identify the suspects. There's no reason for the FBI to release that video if they have it, it means nothing. So just because you see no basis doesn't mean there isn't one.

[torchbearer]

does a cell phone carry enough of a charge to ignite a black-powder bomb? if so, you just hook up your client remote cell phone via the speaker wires. when the phone rings, it will send the electricity to the charge.

[KramerDSP]

Now THAT'S a good question.

My understanding is that the bag in question can still be seen in the aftermath (although there are others who say it is actually someone's hair color that is causing confusion). Also, it seems like the bomb went off further back compared to where that bag is located.

[kcchiefs6465]

The bombs weigh at least 30lbs.
Source? And since when is thirty pounds at all heavy?

[MRK]

Well, I have to agree with the consensus here...the backpacks these two are carrying don't appear to be the right color. In addition, there is no "gotcha" photo-op of either of them dropping the package on the street. Is the FBI "Richard Jewel-ing" these two young men? Unless they're holding back information I see no basis for plastering their photos all over the country and ruining their lives if they're not the correct suspects.

I see a potential basis. They could do background checks on all the people in the footage who the public could plausibly believe were culpable. These guys were probably the most 'extreme' of them all in that they made a post on facebook that the government is a scam or something. Maybe they went to a pot rally, who knows. The FBI raids their house, throws some data onto their hard drives, and all of a sudden you have premeditation evidence on their hard drive, a motive (anti-government), and footage at the crime scene with the weapon (the backpack). The jury would deliberate for no more than 15 minutes after a case laid out like this with the attention it's gotten.

[pcosmar]

does a cell phone carry enough of a charge to ignite a black-powder bomb? if so, you just hook up your client remote cell phone via the speaker wires. when the phone rings, it will send the electricity to the charge.

Doesn't need to if it just acts as the switch.

[itshappening]

You can barely see their faces from the released pictures, the camera from the store that shows the backpack by the mailbox is much further away so it's probably much less useful in helping the public identify the suspects. There's no reason for the FBI to release that video if they have it, it means nothing. So just because you see no basis doesn't mean there isn't one.


EVERYTHING should be on public display. ALL footage. DETONATION devices. THE BLOWN TO BITS pressure cookers. everything. serial numbers. whatever.

But no, we get this... LOL ....

[affa]

worth noting -- if the guy dropped his bag AFTER the first bomb went off and ran, it could just be to run faster. I mean, a drop everything and GTFO sort of reaction. Not saying it's so... but anything post-explosion is fair game for nearly any reaction, from dropping to the ground, to staring at something, to running away.

[itshappening]

the bombs that went off weigh at least 30lbs

and you're telling me the kid strolling round with his bag off his shoulder is carrying one?

I'm not buying any of it. Sorry.

[dbill27]

Where's the detonation device? they should have it but they don;t.

They should have put everything on public view by now.

And if they had him dropping his bag, that too.

it's total BS.

THE BAGS ARE NOT BULKY ENOUGH TO BE CARRYING BOMBS.

the kid has his bag off his shoulder. he's not lugging a bomb.

The bombs weigh at least 30lbs.

just by googling "pressure cooker" I've found a dozen models that are pretty small and easily would fit into those backpacks. How are you calling BS with such passion when all you're doing is spreading BS

[itshappening]

Source? And since when is thirty pounds at all heavy?

30lbs and in a pressure cooker is my estimation. It would stick out like a sore thumb on video.

[affa]

My understanding is that the bag in question can still be seen in the aftermath (although there are others who say it is actually someone's hair color that is causing confusion). Also, it seems like the bomb went off further back compared to where that bag is located.

to my eyes, the bomb's ground zero is right next to the mailbox, right where that white/brown package is.

see:

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1836529.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Second-Boston-bomb-1836529.jpg

http://files.foxnewsinsider.com/cdn/farfuture/uzTN2LamffPLSG3qnt2Wq5E6i1B5vvEZCA83wwWahRM/mtime:1366214116/sites/foxnewsinsider.com/files/styles/780/public/field/image/BombPhotoNew.jpg?itok=f5GI5nUU

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1836530.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Second-Boston-bomb-1836530.jpg

[green73]

you can't detonate bombs via cellphones. That's pure fiction.

These kids are not bombers imho.


Wasn't that what happened in the Madrid bombings?

[itshappening]

Lets see the pressure cooker then: make/model/serial number... OH RIGHT FBI forgot to tell us

[dbill27]

EVERYTHING should be on public display. ALL footage. DETONATION devices. THE BLOWN TO BITS pressure cookers. everything. serial numbers. whatever.

But no, we get this... LOL ....

If they have more direct evidence they aren't going to release it, if they arrest the suspects it only helps them to come up with a cover story. The only stuff they're going to release is stuff that's going to help them be identified. use common sense,

[KramerDSP]

Because the Tea Party Patriot Patsy didn't follow through and they can't pin it on him, or the pics that were released by infowars prevented them from being able to pin it on him.

What's your current belief of exactly what happened? Sounds like you think there were supposed be three bombs or more going off and all of them were going to be pinned on TPPP.

[green73]

ok, whenever i see the picture of what is supposed to be the bomb next to the post office box, it looks like a white bag with something brown in it. specifically, i'm talking about this:

http://files.foxnewsinsider.com/cdn/farfuture/uzTN2LamffPLSG3qnt2Wq5E6i1B5vvEZCA83wwWahRM/mtime:1366214116/sites/foxnewsinsider.com/files/styles/780/public/field/image/BombPhotoNew.jpg?itok=f5GI5nUU

i understand they keep showing that other pick of the backpack, but what is this bag supposed to be?

Hahahahahaha....

[itshappening]

If they have more direct evidence they aren't going to release it, if they arrest the suspects it only helps them to come up with a cover story. The only stuff they're going to release is stuff that's going to help them be identified. use common sense,

Detonation device is absolutely key. We need to know these things to know what we're dealing with and how skilled they were and who it could possibly be. But they wont show us for some reason.

They should have everything on the floor for the press to inspect including the bags, detonation devices, pressure cookers, serial numbers, everything.

When the IRA bombed London that's what the police used to do in their press conferences. They released everything to the public.

[affa]

also worth noting is that i don't see how it would be easy to simply drop a different package in that area given the crowd, but what do i know.

[affa]

Hahahahahaha....

not sure what you're saying?

[kcchiefs6465]

the bombs that went off weigh at least 30lbs

and you're telling me the kid strolling round with his bag off his shoulder is carrying one?

I'm not buying any of it. Sorry.
You have no idea what you are talking about. A few ounces of C4 would have done that damage. They make small pressure cookers. Add in the battery and ball bearings and that's what 12-15 pounds tops? I don't know how much the bomb weighed. But it could have weighed well under 30 pounds.

[itshappening]

You have no idea what you are talking about. A few ounces of C4 would have done that damage. They make small pressure cookers. Add in the battery and ball bearings and that's what 12-15 pounds tops? I don't know how much the bomb weighed. But it could have weighed well under 30 pounds.

They were packing ball barrings and shrapnel so it would weigh more than that.

Talking of which lets see the ball barrings. Should be traceable along with the pressure cookers via serial numbers and whatever the detonation device is should give you an idea of who they are and where they trained. Show me the money not some grainy video footage.

[torchbearer]

Doesn't need to if it just acts as the switch. hmmmm, well, if i place a cell phone bomb down- i wouldn't be anywhere near it when i called. cell phones are funny like that- i can call a cell phone just about anywhere. i sure as hell wouldn't want to be dialing the phone in public.

[Gaddafi Duck]

If they have more direct evidence they aren't going to release it, if they arrest the suspects it only helps them to come up with a cover story. The only stuff they're going to release is stuff that's going to help them be identified. use common sense,

Lol uhhh dunno if you know how the legal system works, but the prosecution cannot hide evidence from the defense.

[MRK]

You have no idea what you are talking about. A few ounces of C4 would have done that damage. They make small pressure cookers. Add in the battery and ball bearings and that's what 12-15 pounds tops? I don't know how much the bomb weighed. But it could have weighed well under 30 pounds.

Good point. I wonder how much a pressure cooker full of black powder and ball bearings would weigh.

[UpperDecker]

worth noting -- if the guy dropped his bag AFTER the first bomb went off and ran, it could just be to run faster. I mean, a drop everything and GTFO sort of reaction. Not saying it's so... but anything post-explosion is fair game for nearly any reaction, from dropping to the ground, to staring at something, to running away.

This is a very interesting point, was the drop in question after the first explosion?

[James Madison]

also worth noting is that i don't see how it would be easy to simply drop a different package in that area given the crowd, but what do i know.

Agree. Seems like it must have sat there for several hours.

[kcchiefs6465]

They were packing ball barrings and shrapnel so it would weigh more than that.

Talking of which lets see the ball barrings. Should be traceable along with the pressure cookers via serial numbers and whatever the detonation device is should give you an idea of who they are and where they trained. Show me the money not some grainy video footage.
If I'm not mistaken, ball bearings are only made in Ohio. One plant, specifically. I could be wrong on that.

[dbill27]

Lol uhhh dunno if you know how the legal system works, but the prosecution cannot hide evidence from the defense.

at trial dude, they don't need to present all the evidence when they arrest a dude and they're asking him questions. lol uhhh

[KramerDSP]

to my eyes, the bomb's ground zero is right next to the mailbox, right where that white/brown package is.

see:

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1836529.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Second-Boston-bomb-1836529.jpg

http://files.foxnewsinsider.com/cdn/farfuture/uzTN2LamffPLSG3qnt2Wq5E6i1B5vvEZCA83wwWahRM/mtime:1366214116/sites/foxnewsinsider.com/files/styles/780/public/field/image/BombPhotoNew.jpg?itok=f5GI5nUU

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1836530.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Second-Boston-bomb-1836530.jpg

OK, I think I know why I'm confused. I am looking at this picture and just now realizing this is actually from the first bomb site and closer to the finish line:

http://i.imgur.com/J57yXU2h.jpg

I could definitely buy the location of the first bomb blast being at where it is diagrammed above, but I also read that the boy who died is not the boy who is labeled as such above either.

[affa]

trying to estimate not only the size of a bomb we don't know much about, but also what it would look like in a sealed bag, borders on ridiculous. arguing about the nitty gritty of it, even more so.

for the record, i believe it's been somewhat confirmed it's a 6 liters Fagor model pressure cooker, but that's off memory.

[itshappening]

These guys look nothing suspicious and it's the kind footage you see anywhere. They're just walking around the block.

If this is all they got it's ridiculous.

And if they have more it ought to be released along with the left over bomb bits, detonation device, circuit boards, serial numbers everything.

I mean come on... this is pathetic.

[dannno]

What's your current belief of exactly what happened? Sounds like you think there were supposed be three bombs or more going off and all of them were going to be pinned on TPPP.

I think they had a lot of contingency plans, but I'm guessing he was the first priority. I think all of their contingency plans fell through after the incident when inforwars released all of those photos.

I heard some runners said that they heard a lady running around with a bag saying "People are going to die!" right before the bombs went off. They may have been trying to get a bunch of random people to do drug drops for money during the event, as contingency plans and one of the bag runners may have stumbled onto what they were really doing, trying to get them to drop off bombs on the street.

[kcchiefs6465]

Good point. I wonder how much a pressure cooker full of black powder and ball bearings would weigh.
Well even if it was 30 pounds, he'd have been able to carry it over his shoulder.

Hell, my books used to weigh about that much. Well probably 20 pounds. I was more saying that itshappening doesn't have any idea of the weight any more than I. That is not evidence of anything. (a supposed weight)

[torchbearer]

trying to estimate not only the size of a bomb we don't know much about, but also what it would look like in a sealed bag, borders on ridiculous. arguing about the nitty gritty of it, even more so.

for the record, i believe it's been somewhat confirmed it's a 6 liters Fagor model pressure cooker, but that's off memory.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31QQDQGGJML._SX450_.jpg
Product Dimensions: 17.5 x 9.5 x 9 inches ; 8 pounds

[Gaddafi Duck]

at trial dude, they don't need to present all the evidence when they arrest a dude and they're asking him questions. lol uhhh

No kidding dude. They'll release video of two guys walking half a block but not the one with their hands in the cookie jar?? Hahhh... Hard to makeup a story when you're caught in bed with another woman. What is the FBI doing withholding the video of them dropping off the bags???

Your logic doesn't hold at all. Why release anything at all then if you could just wait for trial?

[phill4paul]

Where's the detonation device? they should have it but they don;t.

They should have put everything on public view by now.



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/17/article-2310200-19555E9E000005DC-383_470x423.jpg

[itshappening]

Where are the circuit boards? ball barrings? serial numbers of pressure cooker? any other bits their HUNDREDS of officers collected after the blast ?

[dbill27]

These guys look nothing suspicious and it's the kind footage you see anywhere. They're just walking around the block.

If this is all they got it's ridiculous.

And if they have more it ought to be released along with the left over bomb bits, detonation device, circuit boards, serial numbers everything.

I mean come on... this is pathetic.

So much stupid, do you really think all they have is the video they've shown. Just two guys with bags who walked by? Your saying they stared at that video and that video alone for over two days and then decided to release it? If these guys did it, it's already clear there's absolutely nothing in the world that isn't going to make you think this is some sort of conspiracy so it's not even worth time reading what you post.

[dbill27]

Where are the circuit boards? ball barrings? serial numbers of pressure cooker? any other bits their HUNDREDS of officers collected after the blast ?

yeah why aren't we seeing pictures of ball bearings on tv, that's really gonna break this case wide open, a picture of a ball bearing

[itshappening]

So much stupid, do you really think all they have is the video they've shown. Just two guys with bags who walked by? Your saying they stared at that video and that video alone for over two days and then decided to release it? If these guys did it, it's already clear there's absolutely nothing in the world that isn't going to make you think this is some sort of conspiracy so it's not even worth time reading what you post.

They should release everything ffs, this is a man hunt and the public need the info.

It aint no time for hiding shit.

London police used to release everything to catch IRA bombers

[dancjm]

N/m

[dbill27]

No kidding dude. They'll release video of two guys walking half a block but not the one with their hands in the cookie jar?? Hahhh... Hard to makeup a story when you're caught in bed with another woman. What is the FBI doing withholding the video of them dropping off the bags???

Your logic doesn't hold at all. Why release anything at all then if you could just wait for trial?

um well if they don't release anything i don't think anyone is ever going to recognize these guys without ANY picture.

[kcchiefs6465]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31QQDQGGJML._SX450_.jpg
Product Dimensions: 17.5 x 9.5 x 9 inches ; 8 pounds
That's a big damn pressure cooker for what the video looks like. Have they actually released that that is the model? The lid didn't look too big when I saw it. Though I suppose 9.5 inches or there abouts looks about right for it.

What's the 17.5? The circumference?

[itshappening]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/17/article-2310200-19555E9E000005DC-383_470x423.jpg

Why aren't they letting the press look at it?

That's what the press conference should have been about.

After 4 days i'd expect them to be showing off material and more stuff than this/

[affa]

These look more likely, unless they have already been ruled out.


ruled out today in another huge media debacle, actually.

[kcchiefs6465]

These look more likely, unless they have already been ruled out.


They have been.

[UpperDecker]

also worth noting is that i don't see how it would be easy to simply drop a different package in that area given the crowd, but what do i know.

This is something that popped into my mind as well.

[dancjm]

ruled out today in another huge media debacle, actually.

Thanks!

[affa]

That's a big damn pressure cooker for what the video looks like. Have they actually released that that is the model? The lid didn't look too big when I saw it. Though I suppose 9.5 inches or there abouts looks about right for it.

i'm pretty sure i read an article today stating it's size and brand, but for reference i googled and came up with this massive pressure-cooker fact finding thread:

http://www.reddit.com/r/inthenews/comments/1cikt0/trying_to_identify_the_pressure_cooker_model_used/

just read the first few posts. tons of up to date info.

not an official source, but it definitely seems they did their research (crowd sourced) and settled on the 6L Fagor based on the pictures/info released.

Oh, and the handle would likely be removed.

[itshappening]

something doesn't add up.

[SpicyTurkey]

not sure what you're saying?

Read it again.

[Bruno]

What about the military cut outs wearing the Assassin hats?

Their bags looked to be the same.

Reported

[MRK]

Reported

It's a crime to out the identity of a clandestine agent of the United States. You're obviously trying to jeopardize the safety of our troops!

[affa]

Read it again.

nope, still over my head. but whatever.

[KramerDSP]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR0rb7uNCKq0c1pUpZvUz_plrRVk7aNk 6dza7Tu5pPGMD1geR0Zlw

Come on. Stop trying to warp everything to make your conclusions fit.

What I believe:

Tea Party Patsy = Some goofy looking guy who had nothing to do with it.

Blue jacket guy and his buddy = I said yesterday that the buddy was holding his backpack in front of him, which is why we cannot see the backpack and that they were just random folks.

The Seals/Military/Craft guys = private security, but the type of security that may be "classified", so we will likely never hear about these guys in the mainstream media until weeks from now. I don't think they were in on it, as there is a picture of three of them looking shocked and startled after the first bomb went off, and one of them is measuring radiological material in the air while two others are standing there on the phone perhaps awaiting instructions on what to do next. They almost seemed CIA-ish to me, with the exception of the uniforms being blatant give aways. I'm not quite sure what to think of them.

The two FBI suspects = Too early to make up my mind right now. The FBI is clearly aware of not wanting to repeat a Jewell which is why they weren't ready to reveal those pics at yesterday's press conference at the last minute. Whoever gives the go at the top now feels 100% confident that these two are the guys who did it, but we will not see the video for a long time. The images we did see of those two guys to me (and it's just a gut instinct here)

More pictures on the way? I say yes, especially after EVERYBODY who took pictures there will be looking for those two guys. What worries me is if it isn't those two guys. Then the trail has run cold, and intense speculation will focus on the deported Saudi, who probably also had nothing to do with it.

This is going to be like the Kennedy assassination when it is all said and done. All these theories and pictures and bystander nicknames.

[phill4paul]

um well if they don't release anything i don't think anyone is ever going to recognize these guys without ANY picture.

I do not see how a video of the placement would hurt the case. None. They are already putting out this video. Can you think of ANY reason why not releasing that video would hurt their appeal for public assistance?

[itshappening]

You have a convenient explanation for everything.

[kcchiefs6465]

You have a convenient explanation for everything.
He's clearly an agent provacateur.

[itshappening]

The Tea Party Patsy = Pedo guy. That's his official bystander nickname!

He was lugging a bag with both his hands and the bag matches the one they released as blown up.

SO I think he should be prime suspect. But they FBI think two guys walking round a block are. They claim nothing else is credible. Why have they ruled out pedo guy? I'd like to know.

That's what the infowars guy should have asked and was in his mad way but they shut the presser down pretty quick.

[phill4paul]

i'm pretty sure i read an article today stating it's size and brand, but for reference i googled and came up with this massive pressure-cooker fact finding thread:

http://www.reddit.com/r/inthenews/comments/1cikt0/trying_to_identify_the_pressure_cooker_model_used/

just read the first few posts. tons of up to date info.

not an official source, but it definitely seems they did their research (crowd sourced) and settled on the 6L Fagor based on the pictures/info released.

Oh, and the handle would likely be removed.

The internet is truly a place of information dissemination. It amazes me sometimes. Good find. +rep.

[dbill27]

I do not see how a video of the placement would hurt the case. None. They are already putting out this video. Can you think of ANY reason why not releasing that video would hurt their appeal for public assistance?

They might not see how it could hurt either, but if the other videos they have aren't a better video for identifying them then there's no reason to put it out there. The FBI isn't really concerned with proving the guilt of these guys to the internet forums right now. In an investigation it's pretty normal to only release what's going to help them. It's entirely possible they have a video of one of these guys dropping a backpack off that's so damn grainy that it will never hold up in court as evidence, if they arrest these guys and they're being questioned it's probably better if the FBI can bluff and act like they have a stronger video and hopefully get a confession. There's a ton of reasons to withold evidence right now that doesn't directly help in bringing these guys in.

[itshappening]

BS... the more video they release the better. The higher the chance they catch the perp (if they want to catch him that is)

30 secs of them walking around a block from the hundreds of cameras in the area?

That's pathetic and you know it.

[torchbearer]

they could be releasing these photos hoping someone calls in with a tip so they could go fishing in more people's dwellings and hope they come up lucky.

[phill4paul]

He's clearly an agent provacateur.

Well, the bomb went off in front of a restaurant named "Forum." This could be one big NSA experiment. :eek:

[torchbearer]

Well, the bomb went off in front of a restaurant named "Forum." This could be one big NSA experiment. :eek: You have no idea. there is a reason my avatar is a reptilian.

[KramerDSP]

From Reddit...

http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1cmtub/fbi_released_photos_of_suspected_boston_bombers/

Looks to me like the Rubio kid is lugging a heavy bag. From my eyes, he is clutching it with his right hand pinned to his body and trying to be all mack daddy casual about it.

http://i.imgur.com/PNT53xT.png

[itshappening]

The Reddit user says he saw the suspects together YESTERDAY at a Motel 6 in Massachusetts. http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1cmte0/photos_of_2_suspects_in_boston_bombing_released/c9i0ss2

[kcchiefs6465]

Well, the bomb went off in front of a restaurant named "Forum." This could be one big NSA experiment. :eek:


You have no idea. there is a reason my avatar is a reptilian.

:eek:












:toady:

[phill4paul]

They might not see how it could hurt either, but if the other videos they have aren't a better video for identifying them then there's no reason to put it out there. The FBI isn't really concerned with proving the guilt of these guys to the internet forums right now. In an investigation it's pretty normal to only release what's going to help them. It's entirely possible they have a video of one of these guys dropping a backpack off that's so damn grainy that it will never hold up in court as evidence, if they arrest these guys and they're being questioned it's probably better if the FBI can bluff and act like they have a stronger video and hopefully get a confession. There's a ton of reasons to withold evidence right now that doesn't directly help in bringing these guys in.

"But if", "It's entirely possible."

Plausible but not confirmed.

[itshappening]

edit: nm

[Mini-Me]

You have no idea. there is a reason my avatar is a reptilian.

Because the Hanar of Kahje only train Drell as assassins, and you liked Thane better than any of the non-reptilian assassins? ;)

[KramerDSP]

The back of Suspect #1 from a distance. Notice the bag color?

http://i.imgur.com/NbGHn7sh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MnxD3n8.jpg

[phill4paul]

You have no idea. there is a reason my avatar is a reptilian.

I thought is was to curry favor of the RPF reptilian overlords?

[torchbearer]

:eek:












:toady:


Have you seen 'For Liberty' yet? the clues are there.
http://forlibertymovie.com/itunes/


look for the reptiles.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2621/4017802233_0caa4d38ed_b.jpg

[torchbearer]

Because the Hanar of Kahje only train Drell as assassins, and you liked Thane better than any of the non-reptilian assassins? ;) the fiction of a game mirrors reality?

[KramerDSP]

The Reddit user says he saw the suspects together YESTERDAY at a Motel 6 in Massachusetts. http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1cmte0/photos_of_2_suspects_in_boston_bombing_released/c9i0ss2

And in further comments, the Reddit user may apparently be a 16 year old kid.

[pcosmar]

Why would anyone give any credibility to the FBI's Dog and Pony show?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TBobEiXInxQ

[kcchiefs6465]

Have you seen 'For Liberty' yet? the clues are there.
http://forlibertymovie.com/itunes/


look for the reptiles.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2621/4017802233_0caa4d38ed_b.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jbsrpCS.gif?1

[A Son of Liberty]

The Seals/Military/Craft guys = private security, but the type of security that may be "classified", so we will likely never hear about these guys in the mainstream media until weeks from now. I don't think they were in on it, as there is a picture of three of them looking shocked and startled after the first bomb went off, and one of them is measuring radiological material in the air while two others are standing there on the phone perhaps awaiting instructions on what to do next. They almost seemed CIA-ish to me, with the exception of the uniforms being blatant give aways. I'm not quite sure what to think of them.

What were they doing there?

[phill4paul]

The Reddit user says he saw the suspects together YESTERDAY at a Motel 6 in Massachusetts. http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1cmte0/photos_of_2_suspects_in_boston_bombing_released/c9i0ss2

The guy seems to like furs. More than likely a karma whore, but who knows?

[dannno]

Have you seen 'For Liberty' yet? the clues are there.
http://forlibertymovie.com/itunes/


look for the reptiles.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2621/4017802233_0caa4d38ed_b.jpg

Whoa, is that Desiree Hartsock, the next Bachelorette??

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/next-bachelorette-desiree-hartsock.jpg

[kcchiefs6465]

Why would anyone give any credibility to the FBI's Dog and Pony show?

It's more credible than Family Guy theories and Steven Spielberg sets. (though I guess anything is more credible than that)

I'm not saying that the FBI did not have a hand in this, did not know it was coming and/or could have possibly prevented it. They foster terrorist plots to people who would not have otherwise done them. I do not know and it would not surprise me either way. But some people are out there with their speculation.

[cajuncocoa]

Where are the circuit boards? ball barrings? serial numbers of pressure cooker? any other bits their HUNDREDS of officers collected after the blast ?
http://thepatriotperspective.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/boston-bomb-ball-bearings.jpg

[Kodaddy]

I wonder when I'm going to hear the story of these two guys and a ritual suicide at a nearby Hotel6...

[itshappening]

Listening to Alex Jones replay

He's picking up on pedo guy big time. I think he's definitely involved.

He suggests he's some redneck hick with a 70 iq, mentally retarded but able to hold down a job... "there's a lot of retards who can hold down jobs"

He's also going on about the "Navy Seals" team.

[pcosmar]

It's more credible than Family Guy theories and Steven Spielberg sets. (though I guess anything is more credible than that)

I'm not saying that the FBI did not have a hand in this, did not know it was coming and/or could have possibly prevented it. They foster terrorist plots to people who would not have otherwise done them. I do not know and it would not surprise me either way. But some people are out there with their speculation.

There was no Family Guy theory. Only a weird (or prophetic) coincidence .

And Wag the Dog production is not all that far out either. (though it is a stretch)

I don't expect anything resembling the truth to come from a staged Media presentation with the FBI.

[itshappening]

Now he's attacking Glenn Beck...

[dannno]

It's more credible than Family Guy theories and Steven Spielberg sets. (though I guess anything is more credible than that)

I'm not saying that the FBI did not have a hand in this, did not know it was coming and/or could have possibly prevented it. They foster terrorist plots to people who would not have otherwise done them. I do not know and it would not surprise me either way. But some people are out there with their speculation.

As I tried to explain before, putting out a Family Guy or Simpsons or X-Files episode describing the government's planned terror plot doesn't make any sense. Why would they do that? If anything, it is actually evidence that they didn't do it because there is no reason for them to announce their plans to the public if they don't want the public to know about it. So people see this as anti-evidence. And that, in part, is WHY they put these things out in the first place. People stop focusing on all of the real, physical evidence and the agenda of those who were behind it from the false flag perspective. The other part of it is because it is part of their religion to inform everyone of their plan, even if it is very vague, slightly different and in the form of entertainment.

It's only good to focus on this stuff if you have the attention span to go through and see all of the patterns from all of the other incidents and know what is happening. If you just chuck yourself into the middle of one of these incidents without understanding history and somebody shows you a Family Guy episode, it's not going to make any sense. But most of Alex Jones' audience already knows the history and the patterns, this is simply a way for him to communicate to his audience that we have once again found that this incident fits into the same pattern as the others, so we can begin to diligently find out how the government went about provoking this incident. So he releases all of the photos and physical evidence looking for more patterns, and we know that because we've seen one we can continue looking for more because they will probably come up.

So that's the reason for that, you don't need to keeping whining about it.

[phill4paul]

I wonder when I'm going to hear the story of these two guys and a ritual suicide at a nearby Hotel6...

That is not beyond the realm of possibility. Without any evidence the FBI has labeled them ARMED and dangerous. What's the reward up to now? Shades of Dorner?

[cajuncocoa]

The back of Suspect #1 from a distance. Notice the bag color?



http://i.imgur.com/MnxD3n8.jpg

The straps on that backpack don't match the straps on the exploded backpack. At least it doesn't appear to, to me.

[itshappening]

Alex said Beck was attacking him yesterday... does anyone have any audio of that? I'd like to know what the snake was saying.

[KramerDSP]

What were they doing there?

If I had to guess, someone majorly dropped the ball ala the August 2001 warnings that terrorists wanted to fly planes into buildings. I'm picturing a Homeland style Claire Danes character who is utterly convinced that some major shit is about to go down at the Boston Marathon, and cannot get the biggest of the big wigs to sign off on cancelling the race. Instead, the brass decide to put security teams in place to be ready to stop anything that might happen, which would fit the body language of SEAL #1 (no hat) and SEAL #2 (hat) by the wall.

http://i.imgur.com/vKHxorkh.jpg


They are then pictured together after the bombs have gone off, and the thing that bothers me here is that they do not react to the carnage around them, but appear to be waiting for instructions as if they are trained.

http://i.imgur.com/jCgAf8Y.jpg

Meanwhile, there's another group shot of three other guys, via infowars, who are reacting to the first bomb going off.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Three_Guys-600.jpg

And one of those three guys is later seen using a radiological measurement device.

http://static.infowars.com/2013/04/i/general/finishline.jpg

I don't know what to think. And I don't think we'll get answers to these questions, unfortunately. It's possible that this was another massive intelligence failure, and TPTB are desperately trying to save face and erase any evidence that they had credible information there may be an attack at the event. I say this because of all the info about bomb-sniffing dogs and so forth, but that may be a routine procedure every year at the Marathon. Perhaps Boston natives could clarify that?

[dannno]

The straps on that backpack don't match the straps on the exploded backpack. At least it doesn't appear to, to me.

I agree, that backpack REALLY doesn't look like the one that exploded, the Tea Party Patriot guy had a backpack that was very eerily and obviously similar. I wonder why the media and FBI haven't looked into him.

[phill4paul]

As I tried to explain before, putting out a Family Guy or Simpsons or X-Files episode describing the government's planned terror plot doesn't make any sense. Why would they do that? If anything, it is actually evidence that they didn't do it because there is no reason for them to announce their plans to the public if they don't want the public to know about it. So people see this as anti-evidence. And that, in part, is WHY they put these things out in the first place. People stop focusing on all of the real, physical evidence and the agenda of those who were behind it from the false flag perspective. The other part of it is because it is part of their religion to inform everyone of their plan, even if it is very vague, slightly different and in the form of entertainment.

It's only good to focus on this stuff if you have the attention span to go through and see all of the patterns from all of the other incidents and know what is happening. If you just chuck yourself into the middle of one of these incidents without understanding history and somebody shows you a Family Guy episode, it's not going to make any sense. But most of Alex Jones' audience already knows the history and the patterns, this is simply a way for him to communicate to his audience that we have once again found that this incident fits into the same pattern as the others, so we can begin to diligently find out how the government went about provoking this incident. So he releases all of the photos and physical evidence looking for more patterns, and we know that because we've seen one we can continue looking for more because they will probably come up.

So that's the reason for that, you don't need to keeping whining about it.

I recently read a book called "The Zero Game." An interesting aspect of the thriller is that within the House some play a game and bet whether or not they can get an obscure piece of legislation passed in a bill. I'm also reminded of the movie "Trading Places" where people in power make a simple bet to see if they can get by with destroying someone's life.

Nothing with these fuckers would surprise me.

[dannno]

I say this because of all the info about bomb-sniffing dogs and so forth, but that may be a routine procedure every year at the Marathon.

I've seen interviews of runners specifically saying they've never seen that level of security at Chicago, London or any other marathon.



Perhaps Boston natives could clarify that?

Well, fwiw, one of my roommates used to shoot video at the Boston Marathon pretty regularly. He was a bit offended when I started bringing up the false flag stuff, but I guess he's been doing his homework for the last day or two and he is pretty convinced it was a false flag after all.

[Tod]

That's not even a black bag! I call patsy!

[A Son of Liberty]

I
http://i.imgur.com/jCgAf8Y.jpg

Meanwhile, there's another group shot of three other guys, via infowars, who are reacting to the first bomb going off.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Three_Guys-600.jpg

And one of those three guys is later seen using a radiological measurement device.

http://static.infowars.com/2013/04/i/general/finishline.jpg

I'd like to see an explanation for the presence of these guys, who very much seem to be more than police/private security.

I've always been a Jones' skeptic, but I'm saying it again - something here stinks.

[phill4paul]

I'd like to see an explanation for the presence of these guys, who very much seem to be more than police/private security.

I've always been a Jones' skeptic, but I'm saying it again - something here stinks.

We're certainly not getting all the information. I, for a start, would like to know what agency they belong to. We'll never be told and the media will never inquire.

[angelatc]

Alex is ranting that the backpacks are grey not black.

That was likely before they were subjected to extreme temperatures. Alex Jones is an idiot. Dear God, why can't his minions stay over there on his site?

[phill4paul]

That was likely before they were subjected to extreme temperatures. Alex Jones is an idiot. Dear God, why can't his minions stay over there on his site?

Do you have a link showing that extreme temperatures change fabric colors. Or are you just posting to bitch about Alex Jones and his minions? 2 out of three sentences say yes.

[angelatc]

to my eyes, the bomb's ground zero is right next to the mailbox, right where that white/brown package is.

see:

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1836529.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Second-Boston-bomb-1836529.jpg

http://files.foxnewsinsider.com/cdn/farfuture/uzTN2LamffPLSG3qnt2Wq5E6i1B5vvEZCA83wwWahRM/mtime:1366214116/sites/foxnewsinsider.com/files/styles/780/public/field/image/BombPhotoNew.jpg?itok=f5GI5nUU

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1836530.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Second-Boston-bomb-1836530.jpg

So it blew the arms and legs off of people, but didn't even dent the mailbox?

[KramerDSP]

I'd like to see an explanation for the presence of these guys, who very much seem to be more than police/private security.

I've always been a Jones' skeptic, but I'm saying it again - something here stinks.

Seconded.

[angelatc]

I'd like to see an explanation for the presence of these guys, who very much seem to be more than police/private security.

I've always been a Jones' skeptic, but I'm saying it again - something here stinks.


Every time the cops are asked about security they assure us they have undercover officers all over the place. Why would it be surprising to find out that there are undercover officers present?

[KramerDSP]

We're certainly not getting all the information. I, for a start, would like to know what agency they belong to. We'll never be told and the media will never inquire.

You know, we could actually make it happen by having millions of people on FB and Reddit pester Anderson Cooper et al on social media about answers to who these men are.

[phill4paul]

So it blew the arms and legs off of people, but didn't even dent the mailbox?

The first photo seemed blurred to me regarding the bag. I seems to me that the bag is still there after the explosion.

[angelatc]

Do you have a link showing that extreme temperatures change fabric colors. Or are you just posting to bitch about Alex Jones and his minions? 2 out of three sentences say yes.


Do you have a lighter? Do you have anything made of nylon? I'll wait.....

[itshappening]

If AJ didn't exist I would still be asking questions.

He's just saying what a lot of people think most of the time.

[angelatc]

The first photo seemed blurred to me regarding the bag. I seems to me that the bag is still there after the explosion.

Yes, it looks blurred to me too. ANd now that you mention it, it does look like that bad is still there.

[phill4paul]

You know, we could actually make it happen by having millions of people on FB and Reddit pester Anderson Cooper et al on social media about answers to who these men are.

I'm doubting it. I don't think it works that way. Lol.

[kcchiefs6465]

It's only good to focus on this stuff if you have the attention span to go through and see all of the patterns from all of the other incidents and know what is happening. If you just chuck yourself into the middle of one of these incidents without understanding history and somebody shows you a Family Guy episode, it's not going to make any sense. But most of Alex Jones' audience already knows the history and the patterns, this is simply a way for him to communicate to his audience that we have once again found that this incident fits into the same pattern as the others, so we can begin to diligently find out how the government went about provoking this incident. So he releases all of the photos and physical evidence looking for more patterns, and we know that because we've seen one we can continue looking for more because they will probably come up.

What do you mean, Sandy Hook maps in the Batman movie with 'Aurora' clearly visible?

This conspiracy will take you as far as you wish. It is not from a greater attention span, though admittedly mine now is becoming less and less with the ridiculousness I have to read through before finding something of value. Their religion, sure. I can somewhat buy that. Moloch and the Cremation of Care at the Bohemian Grove doesn't sit well. I always assumed maybe they were just a bunch of rich **** who liked to prance around together. Maybe not. Not everything is evidence of conspiracy. I can twist and manipulate words (idiotically, though many would follow them) to show a government's ill motives in anything. Whether they were there or not, which they sometimes or even often are. You see Family Guy (did you watch "Cartoon Wars, btw? It's pretty funny) cut scenes and assume it has to do with this bombing. Did you not see he is running people over with a car a good third of the episode before any terrorists are seen? (which the episode further propagates that all Arabs are terrorists or even better, that all terrorists are Arab.. Kind of annoyed me when I first saw it) It wasn't that funny either, truth be told.

You see it as me whining about the zany theories and manipulative (dishonest) mashups of Family Guy. I see it as me trying to bring a sense of normalcy to it all . You are never considering that I am probably two steps ahead of your type of thinking. (I am not* saying that as an insult, I mean thinking conspiratorially -->) Why does Alex Jones discredit a many things with his conclusion jumping rants? Why did he shut down (or yell over) those fighting for 2nd Amendment rights? (I believe it was) Is Alex Jones cointelpro? Counter-intelligence? Perhaps he enjoys being on the fringe so that the majority of middle America does not stop to take heed at what he says or at what facts prove. Nah. I don't think that. Truth is, his ego is huge. (as evidenced by his Beck rants and talking over people and general attitude) He's making good money. I can't hate on him for that. But don't bring the random mashedup garbage here as evidence. I'll roast you everytime. ('whine') Use your head. Sure, the FBI may have had something to do with this plot. I can't say for certain but I suspect it as much as the next awake person. That's a little rabbit hole, there. You want to go to Alice and Wonderland and dig your way to China with the theories. I don't see it. (and I consider myself a fairly open person)

As to your slyly insulting tone, I probably had it coming. I was sort of a dick in a few posts and I apologize. Been in a pissy mood lately. Somewhat getting annoyed at the ridiculousness but that's neither here nor there. I was out of line in a few of my posts towards you.

[sailingaway]

FBI Releases Images of Suspects in Boston Marathon Bombing

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/abc_boston_bombing_suspects_2_nt_130418_wg.jpg

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/special-fbi-team-helps-id-boston-marathon-bomb/story?id=18986177#.UXB6taK87Tp

[KramerDSP]

Every time the cops are asked about security they assure us they have undercover officers all over the place. Why would it be surprising to find out that there are undercover officers present?

To me, it's like the dog that didn't bark in some bizarre way. In the limited photos of what I've seen of those five SEAL-like individuals, their body language and posture strikes me as being much more than merely undercover officers. They don't seem undercover at all to me, and look like they belong to a government agency. To me, that begs the question of why they were in the first place. Their presence compared to in years past at prior marathons seems to be an indication to me that they were aware of a legitimate threat of a possible attack taking place. Yet what we have heard is that there were no credible threats the authorities were aware of.

[Mini-Me]

the fiction of a game mirrors reality?

I sure hope not, because that would make our current struggle against a rising one-world totalitarian state look trivial in comparison. ;)

[sailingaway]

27 killed, dozens injured as suicide bombing hits Baghdad cafe – police

http://t.co/N0cP3rH8EB

[angelatc]

To me, it's like the dog that didn't bark in some bizarre way. In the limited photos of what I've seen of those five SEAL-like individuals, their body language and posture strikes me as being much more than merely undercover officers. They don't seem undercover at all to me, and look like they belong to a government agency. To me, that begs the question of why they were in the first place. Their presence compared to in years past at prior marathons seems to be an indication to me that they were aware of a legitimate threat of a possible attack taking place. Yet what we have heard is that there were no credible threats the authorities were aware of.


I don't think they wait for credible threats before deciding to patrol the crowds. I do agree that it didn't seem like they were making much of an effort to be incognito, but why would they need to?

[affa]

So it blew the arms and legs off of people, but didn't even dent the mailbox?

um, that's where articles say the bomb went off. What the hell is your problem? you can see the freaking blast marks.

i mean, i understand you instantly dismiss anything 'conspiracy', but don't you think all the damn gore right at the bomb site might be a bit more telling than the fact you don't think the post office box is dented enough?

it's not like i'm picking a random photo of a bag. it's at the bomb site. sitting there. and barely anyone is talking about it. that's all.

[affa]

Yes, it looks blurred to me too. ANd now that you mention it, it does look like that bad is still there.

The blur was put on by the mass media to cover gore. Google the image, it's posted in many news articles.

[James Madison]

27 killed, dozens injured as suicide bombing hits Baghdad cafe – police

http://t.co/N0cP3rH8EB

1. Not Americans
2. Not on the East Coast
3. Not involving a sporting event
4. Not in a big city

=

Boobus doesn't care.

Haven't heard much about Waco since last night, either. All it is is 'Boston, Boston, Boston'...

Just a bunch of Texas rednecks so the professional victims don't care.

[angelatc]

um, that's where articles say the bomb went off. What the hell is your problem? you can see the freaking blast marks.


No, it went off farther back. I think that if it went off there, the mailbox would be scorched, if not knocked over.

[KramerDSP]

I don't think they wait for credible threats before deciding to patrol the crowds. I do agree that it didn't seem like they were making much of an effort to be incognito, but why would they need to?

Point taken, but it still doesn't pass my smell test.

Something else struck me as odd with the kid and the way he walks. It's very distinctive, but I can't quite see or describe it. Any takers?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M80DXI932OE

[phill4paul]

The blur was put on by the mass media to cover gore. Google the image, it's posted in many news articles.

Top ten google were all blurred. Do you have one that is not?

[angelatc]

1. Not Americans
2. Not on the East Coast
3. Not involving a sporting event
4. Not in a big city

=

Boobus doesn't care.

Haven't heard much about Waco since last night, either. All it is is 'Boston, Boston, Boston'...

Just a bunch of Texas rednecks so the professional victims don't care.

Waco? You haven't heard? It's John Galt's fault. (http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/04/18/john-galt-kills-texans-in-massive-fertilizer-plant-explosion/)

[phill4paul]

Point taken, but it still doesn't pass my smell test.

Something else struck me as odd with the kid and the way he walks. It's very distinctive, but I can't quite see or describe it. Any takers?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M80DXI932OE

It seems to me he is carrying quite a bit of weight against his hip. Seems the the weight is distributed beneath center of gravity. What that proves or disproves I dunno.

[JK/SEA]

soooo...where is the vid of the bag being put down and suspect leaving?

[affa]

No, it went off farther back. I think that if it went off there, the mailbox would be scorched, if not knocked over.

are you sure you aren't thinking of the other bomb blast?

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/bozemandailychronicle.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/f0/6f039747-dc0f-560f-9d02-862f41d50d10/516da1fa6ac73.image.jpg

the gore appears to spread from the post office box back through the tree.

the other bomb is definitely further back, and more images of it go around.

[angelatc]

Point taken, but it still doesn't pass my smell test.

Something else struck me as odd with the kid and the way he walks. It's very distinctive, but I can't quite see or describe it. Any takers?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M80DXI932OE


The first guy? I'm not sure if it's a trick of the video, but it's sort of like he doesn't put one foot in front of the other. He brings his rear foot up to the front foot, but not beyond.

[angelatc]

are you sure you aren't thinking of the other bomb blast?

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/bozemandailychronicle.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/f0/6f039747-dc0f-560f-9d02-862f41d50d10/516da1fa6ac73.image.jpg

the gore appears to spread from the post office box back through the tree.

the other bomb is definitely further back, and more images of it go around.

Yes you're right - i was thinking of the other bomb.

[affa]

here's another one. tree seems to be gone? gore still seems to go outward from near po box.

http://c5612ff4196fbe48a8f9-a05bc53ccba69b80158a9e096aad6f4c.r92.cf2.rackcdn.c om/2013/106/135/boston-bomb-scene_original.jpg

[James Madison]

Waco? You haven't heard? It's John Galt's fault. (http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/04/18/john-galt-kills-texans-in-massive-fertilizer-plant-explosion/)

I hate liberals.

[affa]

i'm not trying to claim that white/brown bag is definitely the bomb.

but... i'd certainly say it's worth looking into. and i don't understand why there's no focus on it.

[affa]

oh, and if someone doesn't mind looking at gore, there are victim shots that might show the side of the mailbox. i have no interest in viewing real gore. saw more than enough in the last few minutes just getting those photos.

[ravedown]

1. Not Americans
2. Not on the East Coast
3. Not involving a sporting event
4. Not in a big city

=

Boobus doesn't care.

Haven't heard much about Waco since last night, either. All it is is 'Boston, Boston, Boston'...

Just a bunch of Texas rednecks so the professional victims don't care.
it's more true than most people know- i had a conversation with a news broadcaster who worked in NY for many years and he flat out said the news world revolves around the major cities on the east coast and they really don't give a shit about anywhere else including L.A. and Chicago. if it happens in NY-then they will make sure it's YOUR problem around the clock. explosions in some armpit town in texas? please....

[fr33]

Something else struck me as odd with the kid and the way he walks. It's very distinctive, but I can't quite see or describe it. Any takers?

The 2nd kid with the backpack on 1 arm seems to be staggering a bit as if his backpack was heavy. Hard to tell because the video is so crappy.

[The Goat]

i'm not trying to claim that white/brown bag is definitely the bomb.

but... i'd certainly say it's worth looking into. and i don't understand why there's no focus on it.

If you look at the pic that is blurred, the fence is blown around the mailbox. It couldn't be that bag because its in front of the fence. it would have blown the fence in the other direction.

[RickyJ]

um well if they don't release anything i don't think anyone is ever going to recognize these guys without ANY picture.

Well the problem is I don't trust them. They may have us looking for guys that had nothing to do with it. Give us a reason to find these guys, and maybe someone will, otherwise, f off!

[The Goat]

see what I'm talking about?

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1836529.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Second-Boston-bomb-1836529.jpg

[asurfaholic]

1. Not Americans<------Mostly this
2. Not on the East Coast
3. Not involving a sporting event
4. Not in a big city

=

Boobus doesn't care.

Haven't heard much about Waco since last night, either. All it is is 'Boston, Boston, Boston'...

Just a bunch of Texas rednecks so the professional victims don't care.


Definitely true. These bombings go off nearly every day in other parts of th world. Its a darn tragedy too every time, but yet nobody cares, or they think its somehow the victims' fault that it happened.

[KramerDSP]

It seems to me he is carrying quite a bit of weight against his hip. Seems the the weight is distributed beneath center of gravity. What that proves or disproves I dunno.

I agree with you. And that bag looks bulky.


The first guy? I'm not sure if it's a trick of the video, but it's sort of like he doesn't put one foot in front of the other. He brings his rear foot up to the front foot, but not beyond.

I was talking about the second guy.

[KramerDSP]

Off Reddit...

http://www.letsrun.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Post-Boston-Explosion-1024x768.jpg

White hat kid running away in background sans backpack.

ETA - Suspect #1 is possibly behind the three girls...

[FrankRep]

@RealAlexJones We're watching the #NWO burn down. http://Infowars.com is getting 1 million visitors every couple of minutes

He must be exaggerating... but the reporter was definitely shouting INFOWARS.COM

I doubt it. Check this out:

http://i48.tinypic.com/2wdr9dl.png


Infowars.com (http://www.infowars.com/) just jumped to 730th most popular website in the world, according to Alexa.com (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com)



Comparison: DrudgeReport.com is ranked 507th.

[KramerDSP]

http://i.imgur.com/xJ0ca0T.jpg

[James Madison]

Definitely true. These bombings go off nearly every day in other parts of th world. Its a darn tragedy too every time, but yet nobody cares, or they think its somehow the victims' fault that it happened.

I agree, but it's by far the worst in major east coast cities. Refer to the article that Angela posted about the Waco blast. Basically, it was their fault for not having more regulations. Bet they wouldn't say that if the factory was in downtown Boston, NYC, or Philladelphia.

[dannno]

http://i.imgur.com/xJ0ca0T.jpg

Oh shit, where's his backpack?

[affa]

see what I'm talking about?

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1836529.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Second-Boston-bomb-1836529.jpg

yep, agreed it seems to indicate bomb came from the other side, barring some oddity. though unlike the other bomb, it seems far harder to pinpoint the exact placement of it.

[affa]

http://i.imgur.com/xJ0ca0T.jpg

he's either got a fake nose or a giant honker.

[KramerDSP]

Just noticed something in one of the FBI pictures of Suspect #2 (the young kid). First, look at the girl a few feet to the left of the mailbox. She's wearing a distinctive black jacket that I could only crudely describe as the female version of the "Puffy Shirt" from Seinfeld. It has many ridges and contours, and she is leaning on the fence just north of the leftmost part of the highlighted circle.

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1836530.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Second-Boston-bomb-1836530.jpg

In one of the FBI pictures of Suspect #2, I swear I see that same woman leaning at the same place with the same black jacket in the same picture. The guy also is dialing his phone, and I remember the cops saying "he's trapped by his phone". They may think he called the number to trigger the first bomb, and have video of him in the immediate area of the second bomb dumping it off and running away. Where he is standing as he dials his phone in relation to the woman in the black jacket by the fence really seems like the place the bomb exploded to me.

http://i.imgur.com/EfeNsqF.jpg

[jkob]

Suspect 2 looks very similar to missing Brown student Sunil Tripathi

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1054205/thumbs/o-SUNIL-TRIPATHI-570.jpg?6

[jkob]

for comparison http://i48.tinypic.com/72pzxh.jpg

[fr33]

off twitter

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BILT8X_CMAE98ea.jpg:large

https://twitter.com/cr3dit/status/325055157303914496

[Marky]

Suspect 2 looks very similar to missing Brown student Sunil Tripathi

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1054205/thumbs/o-SUNIL-TRIPATHI-570.jpg?6

I strongly disagree. That Sunil guy’s nose is totally different. It’s a flatter nose that points downward. The other guy’s is much more straight.

[KramerDSP]

Yep, and it fits with the blast pattern in the vicinity of the mailbox, too. The bag looks like it is leaning against the concrete surrounding the tree. That makes the bomb almost exactly 10 feet further north in the picture of the original suspected bag, with the backpack's face exposed outwards for maximum destruction.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1318978.1366197261!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/bomb-marathon.jpg

[MelissaWV]

Oh shit, where's his backpack?

Possibly with the dozens upon dozens of other personal belongings that people dropped while running from explosions.

Or possibly in a few pieces after exploding.

[phill4paul]

Possibly with the dozens upon dozens of other personal belongings that people dropped while running from explosions.

Or possibly in a few pieces after exploding.

I'm gonna go with either one or the other. Definitely.

[EvilEngineer]

As I posed in another thread.

The remote control and triggering mechanisms used in at least one of these bombs was from an RC truck, and most likely triggered with an off the shelf RC car transmitter.

If you all are interested we've been looking into the photos they released of the remains of the bomb and identifying the parts.
http://forums.hackaday.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3284

These bombs were triggered anywhere from 45 ft to 3 miles away depending on the transmitter. The battery pack used with the given load would have lasted hours sitting there giving plenty of time to leave the scene. The cell phone tracking method is useless in this case...

[Ranger29860]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-19/boston-bombing-victim-in-iconic-photo-helped-identify-attackers.html

Wow....

[MelissaWV]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-19/boston-bombing-victim-in-iconic-photo-helped-identify-attackers.html

Wow....

And this would be a start to the "what else makes them suspicious" I was asking about.

[KramerDSP]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-19/boston-bombing-victim-in-iconic-photo-helped-identify-attackers.html

Wow....

Wow, indeed. That guy will have that image of the eye contact for the rest of his life. He probably felt "off" right at that instant but ignored his gut feelings.