Why didn't the gun control bill pass?

[BlackTerrel]

I kind of let this one slip by me until it blew up on my facebook today:


WASHINGTON -- With shouts of "Shame on you!" echoing in the chamber, the U.S. Senate failed to muster sufficient support Wednesday for a gun-buyer background check bill that's supported by nearly 90 percent of Americans.

Want to get the perspective of people here.

1. First is this accurate? Did 90% of people really back this bill? I find it a little hard to believe. That kind of backing on anything is extremely rare. Are there polls that say otherwise?

2. If yes then why didn't it pass? General consensus is that government wants to take our guns. So why would they oppose a bill backed by the majority of Americans?

[jmdrake]

If 90% of Americans supported that bill then the dems would have won control of congress last year. Didn't happen.

[JK/SEA]

no one asked me.

[Anti Federalist]

Hard to say...I'd have figured they would have crimped and folded myself.

Also, it's my understanding that the bill "passed" but not with enough votes to close off a filibuster or blocking actions, which effectively tables it.

Too bad the sluts are not as scared of taking away the rest of our rights.

[WM_in_MO]

90%?

Lies, Damn lies, and poll results.

[fr33]

No way did 90% support it. We aren't that bad yet...

[Origanalist]

Shame on you for not supporting making the populace helpless!

[The Gold Standard]

They probably had some poll saying 90% were in favor of background checks, and they are trying to deceive the idiots into thinking that's all that was in the bill.

[BuddyRey]

It failed to pass because, contrary to popular opinion and BS polls, gun control is extremely unpopular. Politicians can screw the American people out of a lot of our freedoms, but mess with our guns and we go ballistic.

[Rudeman]

If there was a poll then it must have been right after the shooting when people are most emotional. Also this isn't the only time Congress doesn't go along with an overwhelmingly popular position (cutting foreign aid).

[Matthew5]

If I were to give the benefit of doubt, I think Obama was referring to 90% of democrats and 80% of republicans (as he referenced a few minutes later). I don't think his omission was innocent, however.

[BlackTerrel]

No way did 90% support it. We aren't that bad yet...

Is there a poll that says otherwise?

I keep seeing this 90% stat (looks likes it's from HuffPo) all over my facebook. And I'd rather not respond unless I have something to back it up.

[Rudeman]

What poll are they citing?

[bunklocoempire]

Shame on you for not supporting making the populace helpless!

lol That's what I thought too when I heard that broad.

Defend rights? Since when does Fed government defend rights? Are they supposed to be doing that?:toady: Bizzaro world.
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I haven't seen which of those clowns are up for re-election but I imagine the vote might have something to do with the outcome (+ whatever secret vote trades). IIRC TARP was the exception to that rule with a clear majority of the public not wanting to bail out banks (according to anyone I've ever asked).

[Anti Federalist]

Is there a poll that says otherwise?

I keep seeing this 90% stat (looks likes it's from HuffPo) all over my facebook. And I'd rather not respond unless I have something to back it up.\

The drones at PuffHo are in full meltdown mode.

Does it even matter?

Since when are my rights subject to a popular vote?

[Tod]

It failed to pass because, contrary to popular opinion and BS polls, gun control is extremely unpopular. Politicians can screw the American people out of a lot of our freedoms, but mess with our guns and we go ballistic.

Then how is it we elect a simple majority in the Senate that is in favor of this crap? That ANY senators voted for this stuff is downright scary, let alone a majority. We are this (thumb and finger touching) close to losing the 2nd amendment altogether.

I'll repeat: any legislator who introduces a bill to infringe -in the broadest sense of the word- upon the bill of rights needs to be escorted from the floor in handcuffs to be tried for treason. Nothing less will stop these continual attacks.

[The Gold Standard]

Since when are my rights subject to a popular vote?

I don't like all of this talk about rights. You have the right to do what you're told. That's all you need to know. I'm going to have to report this dangerous, radical, extremist talk.

[fr33]

Is there a poll that says otherwise?

I keep seeing this 90% stat (looks likes it's from HuffPo) all over my facebook. And I'd rather not respond unless I have something to back it up.

What poll does the 90% stat come from?

[wormyguy]

What poll does the 90% stat come from?

A couple polls, with misleading questions, taken immediately after Newtown.

[BamaAla]

You'll have to do some googling, but the poll they are referencing was taken after Newtown, had a sample of 1000, and asked an open ended question without any specificity. The polls immediately after Newtown also showed 58% supporting stricter "gun control laws" and the one out today had that number down to 48%.

[RickyJ]

1. First is this accurate? Did 90% of people really back this bill?

Do you really have to ask that question?

[pcosmar]

I kind of let this one slip by me until it blew up on my facebook today:



Want to get the perspective of people here.

1. First is this accurate? Did 90% of people really back this bill? I find it a little hard to believe. That kind of backing on anything is extremely rare. Are there polls that say otherwise?

2. If yes then why didn't it pass? General consensus is that government wants to take our guns. So why would they oppose a bill backed by the majority of Americans?

Did you want it to?

[muh_roads]

Had to go read HuffingPost. They are crying practically. Sandy vagina's everywhere.

[Anti Federalist]

Had to go read HuffingPost. They are crying practically. Sandy vagina's everywhere.

Oh, that Congress would only slither around every other bill that strips our rights from us.

But, I can't help myself...

Hey, PuffHo:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2302/2510825375_176f1608a0.jpg

[jmdrake]

Hard to say...I'd have figured they would have crimped and folded myself.

Also, it's my understanding that the bill "passed" but not with enough votes to close off a filibuster or blocking actions, which effectively tables it.

Too bad the sluts are not as scared of taking away the rest of our rights.

I said this in another thread, but it bears repeating. Guns are a "wedge" issue. It's something that the GOP has staked its reputation on. Some of the same talk show hosts that I heard 6 months ago defending the NDAA because, in their mind, "its not much worse than the Patriot Act and nobody's show me any evidence of abuses under the Patriot Act" were attacking the idea that expanding background checks is no biggie. Well...using their same logic...we haven't had mass gun grabs under the old background check regime, so why are they worried about the expansion of it? Because they know man of their listeners would turn them off tomorrow and never listen again if they didn't support gun rights! That and they can more directly see the harm. (People are less worried about their email being snooped on because, by the very nature of the act, you don't know your email is being snooped.)

Until this country has a large contingent of "single issue" liberty voters that will vote against anyone of either party who votes for things like TARP or the Patriot Act or the NDAA or whatever, we'll continue heading the way we're heading. This is awful inertia we have to get passed on people who support both parties. I remember talking to a friend in 2008 and telling her "Okay. I know I can't get you to vote against Obama. But you say you hate TARP. Can you at least vote against congressman Cooper?" She said she would, but she forgot and clicked the "vote all the democrats" button she was used to pushing. And republicans do that crap too. A simple voting reform that would make elections better? Take away the block vote option from all ballots. People need to think about each individual they are voting for and why. In fact, since we have all of this electronic voting garbage, how about letting each candidate put a short video beside his name on the ballot? I don't know how many times I went to vote in some major election, and there's some additional vote for assistant dog catcher clerk where I know nothing about any of the candidates. I know I can't be the only one.