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itshappening
04-17-2013, 06:32 PM
POLITICO not happy with dear leader :D

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Gun control: Obama’s biggest loss

Never before had President Barack Obama put the moral force and political muscle of his presidency behind an issue quite this big — and lost quite this badly.

The president, shaken to the core by the massacre of 26 innocents at Sandy Hook Elementary School, broke his own informal “Obama Rule” — of never leaning into an issue without a clear path to victory — first by pushing for a massive gun control package no one expected to pass, and then sticking through it even as he retrenched to a relatively modest bipartisan bill mandating national background checks on gun purchases.

It was a bitter defeat for a president accustomed to winning, a second-term downer that may — or may not — foreshadow the slow decline suffered by so many of his predecessors. Obama seems to have the public behind him, but it illustrated his less-than-Johnsonian powers of personal persuasion, the possible shortcomings of his decision to wait a month after the killings to present a plan and above all the limits of his go-to “outside” strategy of taking his case directly to the American people.

More than anything, it was an emotional blow to Obama, who was as irritated at the four members of his own party as he was at the 90 percent of Republicans who defeated the bill.

One administration official told POLITICO the White House was especially disappointed with Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D), the only dissenting Democrat not up for re-election next year, who refused to go along with the bill even after White House chief of staff Denis McDonough visited her office to make Obama’s case on Tuesday.

Still, officials believed Heitkamp would have flipped if they had gotten closer to the 60 votes they needed.

“The president was tremendously committed and emotionally engaged. I watched the president with these families. He was there for them and really felt it,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal, a Connecticut Democrat who worked closely with the White House in the aftermath of the worst school shooting in the history of his state.

“Background checks will happen,” he added, minutes after the vote. “This outcome is a delay, not a defeat.”

Added Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.): “I never saw a president fight so hard, a vice president, never on any issue… It shows us the cowardice of the Senate.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-vote-obamas-biggest-loss-90244.html#ixzz2QlpctFBA

torchbearer
04-17-2013, 06:35 PM
did they blow their load?

enhanced_deficit
04-17-2013, 06:36 PM
Will Obama be "mourning" his loss with another full golf day this weekend? The way he has been golfing for past three weekends. Puppet in chief seems to have lot of free time on his hands.

Lucille
04-18-2013, 09:54 AM
“Bribery isn’t what it once was,” said an official with one of the major gun-control groups. “The government has no money. Once upon a time you would throw somebody a post office or a research facility in times like this. Frankly, there’s not a lot of leverage.”

That's nice.

I sure feel good knowing the preservation of my Constitutional rights hinge on the ability (or lack thereof) to bribe, parliamentary procedure, and politicians' reelection concerns.

Koz
04-18-2013, 10:19 AM
Let's hope this is a sign of good things to come.

RonPaulFanInGA
04-18-2013, 10:26 AM
POLITICO in mourning: Obama's biggest loss

But, but....Scarborough's show told us (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/scarborough-goes-off-on-gop-for-voting-against-background-checks-this-party-is-moving-toward-extinction/) the President wasn't defeated:


Mike Barnicle agreed with Scarborough, noting that President Obama wasn’t the one who lost yesterday. “The president did not suffer a defeat,” he asserted.

itshappening
04-18-2013, 10:48 AM
If POLITICO are saying it's a defeat then it's hard to deny it.

That's like the People's Daily of China accusing a high ranking official of corruption.

paulbot24
04-18-2013, 10:59 AM
“Background checks will happen,” he added, minutes after the vote. “This outcome is a delay, not a defeat.”

This is precisely the way they think. This is why we must remain vigilant. These people don't lose, they just regroup and wait for the next "opportunity." Obama is an especially sore loser......

itshappening
04-18-2013, 11:02 AM
Never let a crisis go to waste.

They will bring it back with more weeping families after the next tragedy.

Acala
04-18-2013, 11:26 AM
Never let a crisis go to waste.

They will bring it back with more weeping families after the next tragedy.

Yup. Here's how we make that more difficult: We identify key vulnerable politicians who supported gun control this time and we exact political revenge and make it clear why. It was the vengence after the last AWB that made it possible to defeat THIS mess. Some politicians have principles. MOST just respond to the fear of losing their phony balony jobs and perks. Give them something to be afraid of next time around and we can have the same results we got this time.

It would be really good to take out Reid. I don't know if that is possible, but it seems like it should be.

Pericles
04-18-2013, 11:29 AM
Yup. Here's how we make that more difficult: We identify key vulnerable politicians who supported gun control this time and we exact political revenge and make it clear why. It was the vengence after the last AWB that made it possible to defeat THIS mess. Some politicians have principles. MOST just respond to the fear of losing their phony balony jobs and perks. Give them something to be afraid of next time around and we can have the same results we got this time.

It would be really good to take out Reid. I don't know if that is possible, but it seems like it should be.

All it takes is the TEA party folks to tun a candidate who is articulate, and can operate brain before opening mouth.

Origanalist
04-18-2013, 11:35 AM
“Background checks will happen,” he added, minutes after the vote. “This outcome is a delay, not a defeat.”

This is precisely the way they think. This is why we must remain vigilant. These people don't lose, they just regroup and wait for the next "opportunity." Obama is an especially sore loser......




Harry Reid’s bill (S. 649) is still on the floor of the Senate, and there are two scheduled votes that will take place. Eventually, the Senate will vote on whether to end debate on the bill (known as cloture), but that vote won’t necessarily take place tomorrow. The Senate will need 60 votes to end debate, but if they can’t reach that threshold, the bill effectively dies.

So GOA is telling Senators to vote AGAINST cloture on the bill, whenever that vote comes.

ACTION: We think that we can defeat cloture on final passage of the bill. But, to be safe, GOA is encouraging activists to contact their Senators and urge them oppose cloture!

http://gunowners.org/04172013.htm


Reid can bring back Toomey-Manchin-Schumer amendment if he wanted to, so that is still not defeated yet.

The amendments up for grabs today will be the Barrasso Amendment and the Harkin-Alexander amendment Republican Chuck Grassley, said this week he could not support the bill because of the requirement that all guns be registered.

http://www.radioiowa.com/2013/04/17/harkin-introduces-mental-health-bill-as-amendment-to-gun-bill///

Christian Liberty
04-18-2013, 01:32 PM
The president, shaken to the core by the massacre of 26 innocents at Sandy Hook Elementary School

I have a hard time believing he cares AT ALL.

Spikender
04-18-2013, 01:52 PM
I have a hard time believing he cares AT ALL.

He's shaken to the core because he couldn't effectively use those 26 innocents to take away our rights.

The Gold Standard
04-18-2013, 01:54 PM
I have a hard time believing he cares AT ALL.

He has killed hundreds of times as many innocent children. He would drink their blood if no one was watching.