Nine gun-control votes at 4 p.m. today! (Grassfire)

[sailingaway]

We've been alerted by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's (R-KY) office that the Senate will conduct nine votes on the the following amendments at 4 p.m. ET today:

Manchin/Toomey amendment (background checks)
Grassley/Cruz amendment (alternative legislation)
Leahy amendment (trafficking)
Cornyn amendment (concealed carry)
Feinstein amendment (assault weapons ban)
Burr amendment (veterans)
Lautenberg amendment (high capacity clips)
Barrasso amendment (privacy)
Harkin amendment (mental health)


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[compromise]

Which ones are good and which are bad?

[Matt Collins]

From CFL:



URGENT - BREAKING NEWS:

According to inside sources on Capitol Hill, Harry Reid believes he's locked in the 60 votes necessary to RAM Barack Obama's anti-gun legislation through the Senate.

And the vote is going down in just a few short hours, 4pm today.

That's why it's critical you call our U.S. Senators IMMEDIATELY and urge them to vote against any gun control legislation at every opportunity.

[torchbearer]

those on the fence, will be bought off.

[itshappening]

Matt Collins has announced the Senate is in session:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA8EiTFtZT4

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WASHINGTON -- The Senate will vote on nine amendments to the gun bill beginning at 4 p.m. ET Wednesday afternoon, Majority Leader Harry Reid said. The amendments, in the scheduled order of consideration, are:

• The Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act (Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and three co-sponsors): The compromise background check provision expands background checks to gun shows and Internet sales, but exempts family-to-family and other in-home sales. It also authorizes $400 million to upgrade the national background check database and reduces the turnaround time for background checks from three days to two days; in four years, it would be reduced to one day

• The Grassley substitute amendment: A proposal by Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, to replace the background check provisions of the existing bill entirely. Introduced Wednesday morning, the bill would, among other things, emphasize enforcement against individuals who lie on background check applications, and increase information in the background check system on people who have been found mentally impaired by a court.

• The Stop Illegal Trafficking in Firearms Act (Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and two co-sponsors): The maximum penalty for "straw buying" a firearm from a federally licensed dealer — that is, buying a gun for someone else to evade a background check — would increase to 15 years. The amendment also bans the transfer of guns to someone the seller knows is prohibited from owning firearms, and makes it a crime to smuggle firearms out of the United States.

• Concealed-carry reciprocity (Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and two co-sponsors): The amendment would treat state-issued concealed carry permits like driver's licenses for purposes of carrying a concealed firearm -- allowing someone with a valid permit in one state to use it in any other state.

• The Assault Weapons Ban (Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and 23 co-sponsors): The amendment bans the sale, transfer and importation of assault rifles, including 157 specifically mentioned in the law -- a broader definition than existed from 1994 to 2004. Current lawful owners of assault weapons would be grandfathered.

• An amendment (by Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C. and nine cosponsors) to require a court order finding a person a danger to himself or herself -- or to others -- before that person is banned from buying a gun. The intent, supporters say, is to protect the rights of veterans.

• The Large-Capacity Magazine Feeding Devices Amendment (Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., and 21 co-sponsors): The measure would ban magazines and other devices holding more than 10 rounds, but exempts .22 caliber rifles. Police officers -- both on- and off-duty -- would also be exempted. It also authorizes federally funded gun buyback programs to purchase high-capacity magazines.

• An amendment on privacy, sponsored by Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo. The amendment would withhold 5% of a state's community-oriented policing grant money if it publicly releases gun ownership information, except as part of law enforcement or court proceedings.

• The Mental Health Awareness and Improvement Act, sponsored by Sens. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, and Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn. The measure supports and encourages school violence prevention efforts, suicide prevention and mental health awareness.

These are all proposed amendments to an underlying gun bill that Reid introduced last week. Each amendment would require 60 votes to pass.

SOURCE:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/04/17/senate-gun-amendments/2090367/

[compromise]

I really hope the Feinstein amendment doesn't pass.

[Acala]

From CFL:

Seems unlikely. If the supposed bipartisan compromise failed, why would the much worse bill pass?

[Brett85]

Matt, do we want the Cruz/Grassley amendment to pass?

[tangent4ronpaul]

The public won't notice this vote - everyone is too distracted with the terrorism theater...

-t

[VoteRandPaul2016]

I'll be tuning in -- I'm praying for the best.

[supermario21]

Gun debate going on now. Cruz vs Schumer/Manchin

[itshappening]

Vote-a-rama begins ?

[itshappening]

WATCH:

http://floor.senate.gov/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&event_id=13

I'm trying to concentrate on too many things here.

[itshappening]

Voting on Toomey-Manchin

[supermario21]

Vote ongoing: Baucus votes no.

[supermario21]

Begich votes no. Looks like the 2nd amendment wins.

[sailingaway]

A Piers Morgan tweet you might appreciate: https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/324537276900204547

[supermario21]

It's going down, Baucus and Begich are nos.

[phill4paul]

I've yet to hear a thing on MS TV about it. Imagine that.

[JK/SEA]

C-SPAN 2

[itshappening]

Alexander is a no too - good.

[itshappening]

Corker no

[phill4paul]

Who cares? MSM is telling me Ricin was mailed to a representative! Eye on the prize.

[itshappening]

Tester (MT) just voted for it.

[JK/SEA]

Mc Cain ...AYE...geezus...

[itshappening]

Shaheen aye

McCain aye

[PatriotOne]

Thxs for the blow by blow. Unable to watch on TV.

[FSP-Rebel]

Hagan?

[itshappening]

I think she's voting for it i dont know

Flake - no

Portman - no

[supermario21]

Landrieu is an aye.

[wetroof]

It passed? everyone just clapped.

[itshappening]

McCaskil (Mo) aye.

[itshappening]

Landreiu AYE !!!

[Brett85]

It passed? everyone just clapped.

Maybe they were clapping because that Senator who was sick came back and voted, whatever his name is.

[itshappening]

they're clapping for old frank

[PatriotOne]

McCain aye

http://i46.tinypic.com/2ef6zqu.png

[VoteRandPaul2016]

what's the current vote?

[itshappening]

I'm delighted Landreiu voted for it and Hagan. They will regret it in 2014.

[tangent4ronpaul]

54 YEA - amendment fails

[JK/SEA]

Manchin/Toomey failed. One down.

[RPfan1992]

Did Toomey vote yes or no?

[itshappening]

54 Aye's

Amendment defeated.

[Brett85]

Why is Biden there?

[phill4paul]

< Insert fireworks gif here >

we'll see about the rest.

[itshappening]

Shouting from the gallery...

[Brett85]

Did Toomey vote yes or no?

I'm sure he voted yes since it was his own amendment.

[tangent4ronpaul]

This amendment that just failed would have dumped the whole bill and instead study causes of mass shootings. It's bad it didn't pass.

Grassley amendment vote next.

-t

[itshappening]

Why is Biden there?

Because he's an attention whore.

[itshappening]

Cruz is pushing his now which spends tens of millions of dollars etc.

I doubt the dems will vote for it.

[CaseyJones]

Why is Biden there?

the VP can cast a vote in the event of a tie in the Senate

[Brett85]

Do we want the Grassley amendment to pass?

[JK/SEA]

Because he's an attention whore.

Vice Prez is President of the Senate.

[Melissa]

One down...keep up the calls and emails..and facebook pages.

[phill4paul]

Why is Biden there?

The vise-president serves as the president of the senate.

[JK/SEA]

Do we want the Grassley amendment to pass?

we don't want anything to pass. Leave the 2nd alone. Period.

[Varin]

Do we want the Grassley amendment to pass?

Dont know but the dem. made a good case for it.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Do we want the Grassley amendment to pass?

increases resources for prosecuting criminals, school safety and mental health, allows interstate sales and transport and expands mil members ability to buy

probably some bad stuff in there - esp mental health

-t

[Brett85]

we don't want anything to pass. Leave the 2nd alone. Period.

But if it replaces an even worse section of the bill then wouldn't we want the amendment to pass, but then want the bill as a whole to fail when it comes up for a final vote?

[Brett85]

Dont know but the dem. made a good case for it.

Yeah, he made it sound really good.

[tangent4ronpaul]

But if it replaces an even worse section of the bill then wouldn't we want the amendment to pass, but then want the bill as a whole to fail when it comes up for a final vote?

Yes

-t

[Bastiat's The Law]

But if it replaces an even worse section of the bill then wouldn't we want the amendment to pass, but then want the bill as a whole to fail when it comes up for a final vote?

I believe that's the strategy being employed here.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Paul votes AYE on Grassley amendment

-t

[JK/SEA]

this shit shouldn't even be on the floor. The founders were pretty clear on the 2nd.

[T.hill]

I believe that's the strategy being employed here.

Is this not the final vote?

[Brett85]

Lee voted no.

[tangent4ronpaul]

52 YEA, Grassley amendment fails

-t

[JK/SEA]

2 down...what a waste of time and money.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Leahy amendment fails - 58 Yea's

Paul votes NAY

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

Cornyn - national concealed carry up now

-t

[JK/SEA]

Cornyn - national concealed carry up now

-t

States rights issue.

[Brett85]

States rights issue.

Cornyn said that it doesn't force a state that doesn't allow concealed carry to allow it. I'm not exactly sure what it does though.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Cornyn amendment fails - 57 YEA's

-t

[NOVALibertarian]

Feinstein is DISGUSTED at the lack of Tyranny in the Senate today.

[Humanae Libertas]

Feinstein's gun grabbing semi-auto amendment is up for a vote.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Cornyn said that it doesn't force a state that doesn't allow concealed carry to allow it. I'm not exactly sure what it does though.

it would have allowed anyone with a CCW permit or anyone from a state not requiring a CCW to carry in any state that allows CCW. (48 states)

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

The FEIND is up and blathering...

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

any guesses on how LOW of a AYE vote count the AW ban amendment will get?

I'd be really happy with 25 or less...

-t

[sailingaway]

Bonzer Wolf™ ‏@BonzerWolf now
National Concealed Carry Reciprocity received more votes than any of the Amendments, 57. That's the majority that the Progressives demand❗

[sailingaway]

Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin now
The reason Harry Reid voted no on Manchin-Toomey is as a procedural move to preserve option to bring back the bill. #2A

[tangent4ronpaul]

Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin now
The reason Harry Reid voted no on Manchin-Toomey is as a procedural move to preserve option to bring back the bill. #2A

WTF??? - how does that work?

-t

[sailingaway]

Jamie Dupree ‏@jamiedupree now
Outside the Senate chamber, Sen Reid says "This is just the beginning" of effort on background checks

[supermario21]

It'll get 35-40 votes.

[itshappening]

dicky durbin is whining 'this is not the end'

[itshappening]

Families crying!

[itshappening]

Chucky Schumer now exploiting them for all its worth.

[itshappening]

Chuck: "America will be a less safe place...."

[itshappening]

Chuck: "We will win this fight... like with gay marriage, immigration... etc "

"we will do this for the families"

[speciallyblend]

is there a link to watch?

[sailingaway]

Traditional American ‏@RightWingAngel now
MT @ChadPergram Reid voted no on Manchin/Toomey so he may call up amdt again. You must be on "prevailing" side of vote to call for revote.

[itshappening]

Patty Murray: "it's easier to buy a gun than a plane ticket"

So what?

[Humanae Libertas]

LMAO, AWB has failed.

[itshappening]

Here comes Obama with Newtown families...

[itshappening]

And Giffords.

[itshappening]

Newtown father admits it wouldn't have done jack.

Oh he says 90% of Americans support the amendment. No they do not otherwise the Senators would have voted for it.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Fiend-stein amendment FAILS! 40 YEA's

WAY too many YEA's - at least we will have a good list of who to get rid of...

-t

[supermario21]

60-40.

[JK/SEA]

40 yay 60 fuck no.

[supermario21]

Does Obama ever think that bringing out these props out so often actually diminishes the meaning for when such guests might be actually appropriate?

[tangent4ronpaul]

is there a link to watch?

http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/

-t

[itshappening]

"they blocked common sense gun reforms even though the families sat there and looked on"

[sailingaway]

Patty Murray: "it's easier to buy a gun than a plane ticket"

So what?

abolish TSA and DHS.

[itshappening]

Obama says 90% of Americans support etc etc. and 90% of Dems voted for that idea but 90% of Republicans didn't

A majority of Senators voted yes...

"but this distortion of Senate rules a minority was able to block it"

[JK/SEA]

schumer reminds me of a pressure cooker.

[BSU kid]

Never heard a President this angry before, well...never heard BO this angry before.

[compromise]

Anyone got roll calls?

[itshappening]

Obama is just constantly lying here with fake stats...

[speciallyblend]

http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/

-t

thanks, so what is the tally so far none passed? didn't they say 9 were being voted on?

[supermario21]

Manchin-Toomey Roll Call: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00097

Grassley Amendment on Straw purchases: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00098


Leahy Amendment: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00099

Cornyn CCW: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00100

[NOVALibertarian]

Obama isn't taking defeat well...

[itshappening]

Obama: 'Senators intimidated by lies from gun rights groups'

[supermario21]

I will post the others when the Senate website makes them available.

[JK/SEA]

Biden looks like a 2 year old ready to stick his tongue out before crying.

[speciallyblend]

thanks, so what is the tally so far none passed? didn't they say 9 were being voted on?


just saw 5 have failed so far

[tangent4ronpaul]

thanks, so what is the tally so far none passed? didn't they say 9 were being voted on?

7 are being voted on, none have passed so far. CCW got the most at 57, and Fiendsteins AW ban got the lease w/ 40.

-t

[BSU kid]

Just called out Rand Paul...Damn

[supermario21]

Yes he just took a dig at RAND!!!!

[itshappening]

LOL HE MENTIONED 'PROP'

not Rand by name.

[supermario21]

It was a pretty great day for Washington.

[JK/SEA]

the King is laying it on pretty thick.....makes me laugh.

[itshappening]

Screw you Obama.

He says they will try again.

[JK/SEA]

Anyone gonna watch Piers Morgan tonight?...might be good entertainment.

[supermario21]

When Obama makes arguments like "we will try again" I can't help but think AJ is right sometimes. The government is going to stage another shooting.

[itshappening]

Obama is scared of mentioning Rand's name. He's referenced him like this a few times before without mentioning him.

He's truly met his match hahaa.

[supermario21]

Anyone gonna watch Piers Morgan tonight?...might be good entertainment.


I will, he's got 2 LIVE hours tonight! 9 and midnight!

[itshappening]

"I see this as Round 1"

[JK/SEA]

c'mon Obama...say it....''repeal the 2nd is our goal''.....c'mon, you can do it...

[BSU kid]

*Bell Rings* Round 2 Begin

[supermario21]

Chris Matthews talking crap about Rand Paul.

[supermario21]

"This isn't libertarianism, this is rotten."

-Matthews on Rand.

[itshappening]

LOL They're going to attack Rand now

Obama has given them the coded order

[NOVALibertarian]

Chris Matthews is going to cry.

[itshappening]

Wait until Lawrence O'Donnell plays this for all its worth

weeping families, libertarian Rand sinking it. HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HELP HIMSELF.

[speciallyblend]

c'mon Obama...say it....''repeal the 2nd is our goal''.....c'mon, you can do it...

pretty much what i say when i hear folks trying to talk gun control. I am like if you want gun control you have to change the 2nd amendment or you are passing unconstitutional/illegal laws.

[itshappening]

Oh god... AL

[tangent4ronpaul]

Burr: Protect veterans 2A rights amendment fails YEA's 56

Paul votes AYE

-t

[hardrightedge]

I am definitely watching piers morgan tonight...he's already losing it on twitter...

[supermario21]

I think I'm watching MSNBC and Morgan tonight instead of my usual Fox/sports lineup. Classic TV will be on tap tonight folks.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Bans "high capacity"(sic) magazines containing over 10 rounds amendment is up now.

Is Bluementald gay? - he sounds like he's "flaming"...

-t

[supermario21]

Bans "high capacity"(sic) magazines containing over 10 rounds amendment is up now.

Is Bluementald gay? - he sounds like he's "flaming"...

-t

Nah, he's just an AIPAC shill. I bet 41 or 42 for this.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Nah, he's just an AIPAC shill. I bet 41 or 42 for this.

"flaming" = false staccato

-t

[itshappening]

Obama is basically saying we'll try again after another tragedy.

The left never give up.

One day they will take the 2nd.

[speciallyblend]

Nah, he's just an AIPAC shill. I bet 41 or 42 for this.

so basically after months of media propaganda and lies from obama and reid and some republicans. They should all fail? If so? Lovely about time they both are called out and look like the fools they are. Keep the pressure on.

[supermario21]

It's amusing how the Dems sell themselves out and describe this as a multi-round battle, they play right into the argument the gun-rights lobby makes about it being an incremental erosion of rights.

[V3n]

Obama is basically saying we'll try again after another tragedy.

The left never give up.

One day they will take the 2nd.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. We will never give up either!

[speciallyblend]

It's amusing how the Dems sell themselves out and describe this as a multi-round battle, they play right into the argument the gun-rights lobby makes about it being an incremental erosion of rights.

If i remember political protocol correctly. As a senate Leader you never bring something to the floor for a vote unless you can promise a win or loss in your favor! This makes the senate leader and prez look foolish:) Yeahhhhh

[Acala]

I am very happy.

[speciallyblend]

Mr PAUL NOOOOOOOO:)

[Seraphim]

Obama looked like he was going to have a fit during his 5:30pm Eastern speech just now.

Wittle Tyrant having a fit because he did not expand control. He is going to get ROASTED by his handlers tonight.

Queue the Executive Order in....3...2...

[kcchiefs6465]

Background checks defeated 54-46

[tangent4ronpaul]

High Cap Mag Ban amendment fails! - 46 yea's w00t!

That should be it for tonight. Reid said they would vote on the main bill tomm morn.

Anyone want to monitor DC area hospitals for Senators coming in with arm sprains and dislocated shoulders tonight?

-t

[supermario21]

I think it's scary that the magazine limit got 46 AYE votes.

[supermario21]

Roll call for the Feinstein gun grab. Mark Kirk voted for the whole package WTF.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00101

[Acala]

I think it's scary that the magazine limit got 46 AYE votes.

It is. But remember that even if it passed the Senate, it was doomed in the House. It was a pretty sound defeat in the face of a "no-holds-barred" attack. Obama couldn't even deliver the Senate with a majority of his own party. He and the gun controllers got their asses handed to them, no doubt.

[Brett85]

Roll call for the Feinstein gun grab. Mark Kirk voted for the whole package WTF.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00101

Yeah, he's pretty much worthless. Even Collins is better than him.

[tangent4ronpaul]

What an ignorant caller on C-SPAN just now. Disappointed none of the amendments passed because they wanted more gun control. Didn't realize a couple of the amendments were pro-2A. Make the the first 2 callers..

:rolleyes:

-t

[Brett85]

Obama wants to "save the children" but yet he won't speak out against the abortion doctor who murdered babies who were already born.

[Brian Coulter]

...

[Acala]

Obama wants to "save the children" but yet he won't speak out against the abortion doctor who murdered babies who were already born.

He prefers to murder children by starvation and drone bombings.

[Brian Coulter]

What an ignorant caller on C-SPAN just now. Disappointed none of the amendments passed because they wanted more gun control. Didn't realize a couple of the amendments were pro-2A. Make the the first 2 callers..

:rolleyes:

-t

I wonder how many pro-freedom callers they had to bypass to get those two slimy REDs on the phone.

[torchbearer]

I'm delighted Landreiu voted for it and Hagan. They will regret it in 2014. did she vote for all amendments and final bill?

[tangent4ronpaul]

2 more amendments tomm. Anyone know what they are?

-t

[madengr]

National CCW is not pro-2A, it is about federal control. Drivers license reciprocity is via interstate compact; no fedgov involvement.

[Noob]

How about the whole bill S. 649 Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act of 2013 ?

[Spoa]

They will vote tomorrow on these two amendments:


Barrasso amend #717 (Privacy).
Harkin-Alexander amend #730 (Relative to mental health).