Lucille
04-16-2013, 01:02 PM
The Ruling Class trying to pull one over on the Amerikan people? I know I'm shocked. /
Manchin-Toomey Bill Is Gun Registration
http://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/ClaireWolfe/2013/04/16/alan-korwin-on-the-manchin-toomey-betrayal/
Alan Korwin is something I’m very much not: an expert on gun laws and someone who actually reads the wretched bills (an act I consider akin to diving into Charles Schumer’s septic tank, but somebody has to do it).
He just sent around his take on Manchin-Toomey & I think it’s a strong analysis. That, and a link to the latest text (which I’m actually attempting to read despite not having a hazmat suit or a gas mask), after the “more” link.
Everything that follows is from Alan, not me. The short version is: Yes, as you already knew, this is national gun registration and yes, Gottlieb’s “trinkets” and “sweeteners” don’t make up for the fact that you DO NOT surrender a right in order to gain illusory, revocable, government-granted privileges.
Manchin-Toomey Bill Is Gun Registration–
Studied and Revealed
Media chatter about background checks a smokescreen
1- “Background gun-check records are saved.”
The so-called “background check” bill is really about gun registration — ultimate and imminent registration of every gun and gun owner in America.
The mandatory paper records are saved — nobody denies that. Federal agents use those all the time.
The electronic records have virtually no controls on them. They go into a system designed as a recording device. This bill vastly expands the electronic records federal agents will collect.
THE MANCHIN-TOOMEY-SCHUMER KEY:
Read the bottom of page 27 of the bill (read it, it’s killer, very short) and you tell me if you think that language stops the federal government from recording, storing, collating, compiling, distributing, securing, retrieving, integrating, merging, using or … backing up its records forever. It doesn’t. Show me an audit trail. You can’t. It’s not there.
It doesn’t even limit the FBI or BATFE in this regard. It only restricts gun dealers and gun owners. It is a complete farce.
Show me where they can’t go around and just use all the Form 4473 gun-registration papers you fill out that every dealer must permanently keep — as they are doing right now and have been doing for years. You can’t. This bill allows the federal government to do almost anything it wants with records of you and your firearms, and massively expands the records it can collect — even though it can’t collect absolutely every record at this time, yet.
Failure to give them all the records they currently demand under this bill, even by accident (and there are plenty of easy ways to innocently make an error), would put you in prison. The 15-year prison term they threw in for creating a federal registry is a meaningless smokescreen.
The bill requires you to get a background check to buy firearms from people you meet at a gun show, but doesn’t require anyone to do a background check just because you want one. Dealers would have plenty of reasons not to do such a check — like having paying customers, liability, fee caps, and pressure from a sometimes rogue federal agency like BATFE. That would mean the end of freedom at gun shows. This is something Sen. John McCain has been working on for more than a decade. McCain was quoted by the Associated Press today as “very favorably disposed” to this Manchin-Toomey-Schumer gun-infringement bill (meaning he likes it). This bill is totally unacceptable.
And what’s that bit at the end of that section that says medical- and health-insurance-company owned guns are exempt? Say what? Where’s the media on that? I’ll do a more detailed report on this soon. Or someone should — who’s planning what that got that in there?
Is BBFMS so bad they think right wing terrorists are going to be gunning for the Medical Industrial Complex?
Manchin-Toomey Bill Is Gun Registration
http://www.backwoodshome.com/blogs/ClaireWolfe/2013/04/16/alan-korwin-on-the-manchin-toomey-betrayal/
Alan Korwin is something I’m very much not: an expert on gun laws and someone who actually reads the wretched bills (an act I consider akin to diving into Charles Schumer’s septic tank, but somebody has to do it).
He just sent around his take on Manchin-Toomey & I think it’s a strong analysis. That, and a link to the latest text (which I’m actually attempting to read despite not having a hazmat suit or a gas mask), after the “more” link.
Everything that follows is from Alan, not me. The short version is: Yes, as you already knew, this is national gun registration and yes, Gottlieb’s “trinkets” and “sweeteners” don’t make up for the fact that you DO NOT surrender a right in order to gain illusory, revocable, government-granted privileges.
Manchin-Toomey Bill Is Gun Registration–
Studied and Revealed
Media chatter about background checks a smokescreen
1- “Background gun-check records are saved.”
The so-called “background check” bill is really about gun registration — ultimate and imminent registration of every gun and gun owner in America.
The mandatory paper records are saved — nobody denies that. Federal agents use those all the time.
The electronic records have virtually no controls on them. They go into a system designed as a recording device. This bill vastly expands the electronic records federal agents will collect.
THE MANCHIN-TOOMEY-SCHUMER KEY:
Read the bottom of page 27 of the bill (read it, it’s killer, very short) and you tell me if you think that language stops the federal government from recording, storing, collating, compiling, distributing, securing, retrieving, integrating, merging, using or … backing up its records forever. It doesn’t. Show me an audit trail. You can’t. It’s not there.
It doesn’t even limit the FBI or BATFE in this regard. It only restricts gun dealers and gun owners. It is a complete farce.
Show me where they can’t go around and just use all the Form 4473 gun-registration papers you fill out that every dealer must permanently keep — as they are doing right now and have been doing for years. You can’t. This bill allows the federal government to do almost anything it wants with records of you and your firearms, and massively expands the records it can collect — even though it can’t collect absolutely every record at this time, yet.
Failure to give them all the records they currently demand under this bill, even by accident (and there are plenty of easy ways to innocently make an error), would put you in prison. The 15-year prison term they threw in for creating a federal registry is a meaningless smokescreen.
The bill requires you to get a background check to buy firearms from people you meet at a gun show, but doesn’t require anyone to do a background check just because you want one. Dealers would have plenty of reasons not to do such a check — like having paying customers, liability, fee caps, and pressure from a sometimes rogue federal agency like BATFE. That would mean the end of freedom at gun shows. This is something Sen. John McCain has been working on for more than a decade. McCain was quoted by the Associated Press today as “very favorably disposed” to this Manchin-Toomey-Schumer gun-infringement bill (meaning he likes it). This bill is totally unacceptable.
And what’s that bit at the end of that section that says medical- and health-insurance-company owned guns are exempt? Say what? Where’s the media on that? I’ll do a more detailed report on this soon. Or someone should — who’s planning what that got that in there?
Is BBFMS so bad they think right wing terrorists are going to be gunning for the Medical Industrial Complex?