Venezuela voted for a socialist again

[itshappening]

They must like capital controls, high taxes, shortages, power outages, high crime, corruption, deficits and inflation.

All of this despite sitting on trillions of oil. Strange isn't it. Must be something to do with those socialist policies?

From the report:

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The governing United Socialist Party of Venezuela deployed a well-worn, get-out-the-vote machine spearheaded by loyal state employees. It also enjoyed the backing of state media as part of its near-monopoly on institutional power.
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How is that any different to the Democrat Party in America?

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He [Maduro] will face no end of hard choices for which [analyst] Corrales, of Amherst, said he has shown no skills for tackling.

Maduro has "a penchant for blaming everything on his 'adversaries' - capitalism, imperialism, the bourgeoisie, the oligarchs - so it is hard to figure how exactly he would address any policy challenge other than taking a tough line against his adversaries."

Venezuela's $30 billion fiscal deficit is equal to about 10 percent of the country's gross domestic product.

Many factories operate at half capacity because strict currency controls make it hard for them to pay for imported parts and materials. Business leaders say some companies verge on bankruptcy because they cannot extend lines of credit with foreign suppliers.

SOURCE:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130415/DA5LR1B80.html
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LOL, good luck with that.

Socialism!

Conclusion: Things are about to get even worse for Venezuelan's in the months and years ahead as the socialist in charge blames everyone but himself and his government for their problems and seeks to grab more power and institute even more authoritarian control.

People don't tend to like a reduction in their living standards - or their wealth stolen through inflation - and so it requires a socialist to rule with an iron fist and tell the population that the sacrifice is good for them or worth it. That this is the only way and that there is no use complaining. He will also ramp up the corruption so anyone in society who wants to get ahead has to kiss his (or the local union's) ass and reward them with their loyalty.

[Anti Federalist]

People hate freedom.

Nothing new here.

Moving along...

[pcosmar]

"Venezuela voted for a socialist again "

So did America. What's your point?

[FrankRep]

"Venezuela voted for a socialist again "

So did America. What's your point?

America is in self-denial about being Socialist. Venezuela knows what it is and that's sad.

Chill out on attacking anti-Socialists please.

[pcosmar]

America is in self-denial about being Socialist. Venezuela knows what it is and that's sad.

Chill out on attacking anti-Socialists please.

Not attacking "anti-socialists" at all.
I am anti Socialist.

I am pointing out hypocrisy and denial.

[Carlybee]

I live next door to the Venezuelan consulate here..they had traffic tied up for hours and disturbed the peace by screaming and honking their car horns all day..isn't it nice they can vote in our country and have our tax dollars pay for cops to direct traffic?

[itshappening]

"Venezuela voted for a socialist again "

So did America. What's your point?

There are important checks and balances in the US.

Yes, Obama is a socialist but there's a limit to what he can do or get away with.

The public are also going to be less forgiving when he tries the old trick of continuing to blame his opponents for the mess he will create.

Wait until Obamacare hits and the Messianic halo will slip.

He will largely be a forgotten president. He is term-limited and cannot turn to authoritarian means.

VZ are stuck with this loser for 5 years and probably a lot longer than that...

[pcosmar]

There are important checks and balances in the US.


:eek:
Theoretically.
That was the intent of the founders, but they are long dead.
The US has been a socialist country since the early 1900s.

The books don't balance and the checks will be bouncing.

[itshappening]

:eek:
Theoretically.
That was the intent of the founders, but they are long dead.
The US has been a socialist country since the early 1900s.

There is no balance and the checks will be bouncing.

America is not completely socialist... completely socialist is VZ with its seizure of private businesses, capital controls, power outages etc. America is not there (yet) and there are remedies through the ballot box.

[pcosmar]

America is not completely socialist..

completely socialist is VZ with its seizure of private businesses, capital controls, power outages etc'

America is not there (yet) and there are remedies through the ballot box.

:confused:

You have really not been paying attention.

[LibertyEagle]

People hate freedom.

Nothing new here.

Moving along...

They don't hate it; they don't know what it means. They are used to living under extreme socialism. That is all they know. Which is a reason I think the Americans who agree with giving citizenship to illegal aliens, are more than foolish. Because they are going to vote for what they know and after they are citizens they will be doing it HERE.

[LibertyEagle]

:confused:

You have really not been paying attention.

We aren't the USSR yet, Pete. But, it is certainly coming unless we get busy.

[itshappening]

:confused:

You have really not been paying attention.

I'm paying attention. Obama is going to be a lame duck in less than 2 years and Obamacare is going to drive his approvals down hard.

He's finished, gone, there are limits to what he can inflict on the 320 million people of the United States.

Let him party and enjoy himself, who cares. His era is going to be looked back as a sick joke. By 2016 people will want something different.

This guy is going to be causing damage for years and years and can't be easily removed.

[pcosmar]

I'm paying attention. Obama is going to be a lame duck in less than 2 years and Obamacare is going to drive his approvals down hard.

He's finished, gone, there are limits to what he can inflict on the 320 million people of the United States.

Let him party and enjoy himself, who cares. His era is going to be looked back as a sick joke. By 2016 people will want something different.

This guy is going to be causing damage for years and years.
Obama is irrelevant.
In fact,, we could have had the socialist Romney. and IT REALLY DOES NOT MATTER WHICH socialist is elected next time.

Anyone that is not a socialist will by NO Means be allowed.

Obama is irrelevant.

[ClydeCoulter]

I'm paying attention. Obama is going to be a lame duck in less than 2 years and Obamacare is going to drive his approvals down hard.

He's finished, gone, there are limits to what he can inflict on the 320 million people of the United States.

Let him party and enjoy himself, who cares. His era is going to be looked back as a sick joke. By 2016 people will want something different.

This guy is going to be causing damage for years and years and can't be easily removed.

Like 1913?

[BAllen]

They don't hate it; they don't know what it means. They are used to living under extreme socialism. That is all they know. Which is a reason I think the Americans who agree with giving citizenship to illegal aliens, are more than foolish. Because they are going to vote for what they know and after they are citizens they will be doing it HERE.

EXACTLY!

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Obama is going to be a lame duck in less than 2 years and Obamacare is going to drive his approvals down hard.

He's finished, gone, there are limits to what he can inflict on the 320 million people of the United States.

Let him party and enjoy himself, who cares. His era is going to be looked back as a sick joke. By 2016 people will want something different.

This guy is going to be causing damage for years and years and can't be easily removed.

I'm sure conservatives were saying the same thing about the New Deal during the Roosevelt administration.

[itshappening]

I'm sure conservatives were saying the same thing about the New Deal during the Roosevelt administration.

Venezuela has one of the highest rates of inflation in the region and crime rates have soared in recent years, particularly in Caracas. Food shortages and electricity blackouts are also common.
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^ Call me when this happens.

America still has the remnants of a free market despite what the bastards have done over the last 50 years.

[ravedown]

i have no problem with venezuela voting in maduro. the cia has been trying and failing at changing the leadership in order for the oil industry to take control once again. yes chavez and maduro are terribly corrupt politicians, what else is new?...but they don't bend over for the corpocracy the way our leaders do.
how long till maduro contracts cancer or has a plane crash?.

[gwax23]

The opposition is hardly better. Its a bunch of socialists communists and marxists running against each other claiming the other one isnt socialist enough and is really capitalist. Its all a joke. Let there country continue to go nowhere the voters will pay for this in the end if they arent paying for it already and simply dont know it yet.

Also anyone supporting Maduro or Chavez because they where anti US in some regards are so naive childish and are simplifying international affairs to fit with there ridiculous world view.

Maduro and Chavez are both scum and as anti freedom as you get. People on RPF supporting them because they didnt like Bush is ridiculous. A lot of people didnt like bush or the majority of US foreign policy it doesnt make them right on anything else... not even close. You cant have freedom without economic freedom. Period.

[HOLLYWOOD]

US officials are at least a 'Melting Pot'... of Fascists, Marxists, Communists, Zionists, & Aristocrats.

See... America doesn't discriminate, you have the same 2 choices of the same political pot every election.

[Anti Federalist]

So was W.

Then 9/11 happened.

The rest, as they say, is history.


I'm paying attention. Obama is going to be a lame duck in less than 2 years and Obamacare is going to drive his approvals down hard.

He's finished, gone, there are limits to what he can inflict on the 320 million people of the United States.

Let him party and enjoy himself, who cares. His era is going to be looked back as a sick joke. By 2016 people will want something different.

This guy is going to be causing damage for years and years and can't be easily removed.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I don't see what's wrong with another country being socialist. It's our country we should care about. This is why the cold war happened. I don't understand why one group of people who want to live another way is a problem.

[Christian Liberty]

Its not something we should declare war over (Obviously, I don't see why anyone who disagrees with this would even be posting here) but its still a problem that these people, particularly those who did not vote for this crap, are going to be forced into living unproductive lives by the government. It also does indirectly hurt America, if their nation is less wealthy we can't gain as much from free trade with them.

[compromise]

I don't see what's wrong with another country being socialist. It's our country we should care about. This is why the cold war happened. I don't understand why one group of people who want to live another way is a problem.

The Soviets were definitely aiding revolutionary groups in neutral nations during the Cold War...I think it's naive to think they were only pushing for global socialism because of blowback. I don't agree with a lot of things the US did during the Cold War, but something was necessary.

A lot of people here talk about the "neocons" (which has now come to mean anyone with a foreign policy other than that of Ron Paul) pushing for more pointless overseas intervention...how do you know "neocons" did not exist on the other side too?

[Christian Liberty]

They don't hate it; they don't know what it means. They are used to living under extreme socialism. That is all they know. Which is a reason I think the Americans who agree with giving citizenship to illegal aliens, are more than foolish. Because they are going to vote for what they know and after they are citizens they will be doing it HERE.

Isn't that what almost everyone does anyway? I'm genuinely on board with "Amnesty but not citizenship" for this reason, however... I don't want the GOP to move even further to the left...


The opposition is hardly better. Its a bunch of socialists communists and marxists running against each other claiming the other one isnt socialist enough and is really capitalist. Its all a joke. Let there country continue to go nowhere the voters will pay for this in the end if they arent paying for it already and simply dont know it yet.

Also anyone supporting Maduro or Chavez because they where anti US in some regards are so naive childish and are simplifying international affairs to fit with there ridiculous world view.

Maduro and Chavez are both scum and as anti freedom as you get. People on RPF supporting them because they didnt like Bush is ridiculous. A lot of people didnt like bush or the majority of US foreign policy it doesnt make them right on anything else... not even close. You cant have freedom without economic freedom. Period.

Yeah, I had to laugh at Justin Raimondo for that one, even though I like a lot of what he says. Standing up to the imperialists by itself without any other redeeming qualities is still "Mostly bad."

There are important checks and balances in the US.

Yes, Obama is a socialist but there's a limit to what he can do or get away with.

The public are also going to be less forgiving when he tries the old trick of continuing to blame his opponents for the mess he will create.

Wait until Obamacare hits and the Messianic halo will slip.

He will largely be a forgotten president. He is term-limited and cannot turn to authoritarian means.

VZ are stuck with this loser for 5 years and probably a lot longer than that...

I actually don't think he's a socialist. Maybe a fascist, but not a socialist. I'm not defending Obama., but I don't really think he wants democratic control of all industry, which is really what "Socialism" means.

"All industry tied up with government" is closer to correct, and would be called "Fascism".

I tend to think it really doesn't matter, but people are going to get mad at us when we insult the President like this. I don't care, I really don't, unless they get mad because we're lying, in which case it makes us look bad. "Coporatist" is a valid term for Obama (And, as this is the nicest one I can think of, this is naturally the one the generous Ron Paul chooses to use.) "Fascist" is a valid title for Obama. "Assassin" is a valid title for Obama. "Imperialist" is a valid title for Obama. "Serial Killer" is a valid title for Obama. "antichrist" (small a) is a valid term for Obama. "Supporter of infanticide" is a valid title for Obama. "Satan" is probably a valid title for Obama, although I cannot state this with certainty;) But "Socialist" is going to be a problem. When I think "Socialist" I think Bernie Sanders, not Barack Obama. Obama is much closer to what George W. Bush believes in than what Bernie Sanders or even Dennis Kucinich believes in. Just because two ideologies suck doesn't mean they are the same thing, even though they are somewhat close.

[ravedown]

Venezuela is a damned if you do or dont scenario- either a despotic socialist runs your economy into the ground while providing needed social programs for the poor, therefor perpetuating the problem. or a puppet leader is placed in charge that is friendly to the oil cartels and makes only those well connected wealthy while still running your country into debt, therefor perpetuating the problem. being the 4th largest oil provider in the world is a curse for the common man there. constant intervention and turmoil.

[Christian Liberty]

A lot of people here talk about the "neocons" (which has now come to mean anyone with a foreign policy other than that of Ron Paul) pushing for more pointless overseas intervention...how do you know "neocons" did not exist on the other side too?

A neoconservative is someone who supports the empire and nationbuilding. Naturally, "Neoconservative" is something with varying degrees to it. And yeah, they aren't exclusively in the US, but considering that we are the empire right now...

I have no doubt when we fall someone else will rise.

[pcosmar]

The Soviets were definitely aiding revolutionary groups in neutral nations during the Cold War...

So was the US. We supported all manner of Evil in all parts of the globe.

Even had a training school for it.
School of the Americas


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOeaG6-qsVc

[torchbearer]

who is counting the votes?

[liveandletlive]

What choice did they have? The best they could hope for was someone turning their country into Brazil. Stop acting like those people hate freedom.

[Anti Federalist]

What choice did they have? The best they could hope for was someone turning their country into Brazil. Stop acting like those people hate freedom.

Why?

Simple fact, and not just "them", most people hate freedom.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

The Soviets were definitely aiding revolutionary groups in neutral nations during the Cold War...I think it's naive to think they were only pushing for global socialism because of blowback. I don't agree with a lot of things the US did during the Cold War, but something was necessary.

A lot of people here talk about the "neocons" (which has now come to mean anyone with a foreign policy other than that of Ron Paul) pushing for more pointless overseas intervention...how do you know "neocons" did not exist on the other side too?

The Soviets were trying to conquer the world through their form of economy, but that didn't make their economic system bad. (Remember, people voted in the U.S.S.R. just like we do in the U.S. and their destruction was government taking too much power, just like how ours is. I don't think a tyrannical government is relative to the form of economy) It's a bit unfair to have judged their economy when they took the largest war toll in WW2. Think about it. If the U.S.S.R. still existed, we'd have somewhere to send our liberals :P

[Sujan]

People don’t hate freedom, they are not aware of the potentials of freedom. They lack knowledge.

But the real problem is the attitude of the people towards taking own responsibility.
They want something like ‘the government’ to take care of them, so they can lean back.
That is why vote socialist. That is why most people in the world vote socialist. They want to believe the promises made by the politicians, ‘free’ education, ‘free’ housing’, ‘free’ etc, so bad and this matches their allergy for taking own responsibility so the logical result is a socialist society.

And in the USA, government is getting bigger and more socialist, hence the problems with rising poverty and lack of press freedom. This only reflects the attitude of the people.

[Anti Federalist]

People don’t hate freedom, they are not aware of the potentials of freedom. They lack knowledge.

But the real problem is the attitude of the people towards taking own responsibility.
They want something like ‘the government’ to take care of them, so they can lean back.
That is why vote socialist. That is why most people in the world vote socialist. They want to believe the promises made by the politicians, ‘free’ education, ‘free’ housing’, ‘free’ etc, so bad and this matches their allergy for taking own responsibility so the logical result is a socialist society.

And in the USA, government is getting bigger and more socialist, hence the problems with rising poverty and lack of press freedom.

This only reflects the attitude of the people.

Yes, exactly, the attitude of people that have measured both and, given the choice, would rather live as a comfortable slave than as a less comfortable free man.

Nothing new here, been that way for thousands of years, people hate freedom, for the most part.

But there are powerful ramifications of that basic human trait that are being ignored, and by so doing, guaranteeing that the headlong plunge into global tyranny will continue, unabated.

[BAllen]

People don’t hate freedom, they are not aware of the potentials of freedom. They lack knowledge.

But the real problem is the attitude of the people towards taking own responsibility.
They want something like ‘the government’ to take care of them, so they can lean back.
That is why vote socialist. That is why most people in the world vote socialist. They want to believe the promises made by the politicians, ‘free’ education, ‘free’ housing’, ‘free’ etc, so bad and this matches their allergy for taking own responsibility so the logical result is a socialist society.

And in the USA, government is getting bigger and more socialist, hence the problems with rising poverty and lack of press freedom. This only reflects the attitude of the people.

And that ignorance is due to marxist propaganda.