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Anti Federalist
04-13-2013, 06:39 PM
A thousand people could get beat by a thousand cops for a thousand days and the ACLU is nowhere to be seen.

Let it become a **** issue, and, Johhny-on-the-Spot is right there.

Whatever, pay no mind, just more "cop hate".




New Details Emerge About Roger Gorley's Arrest For Refusing To Leave Sick, Gay Partner

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/12/roger-gorley-arrested-gay-sick-partner-hospital_n_3069481.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

The story of a gay man who was arrested for refusing to the leave his sick partner at a Missouri hospital made headlines across the nation earlier this week. Now, new details about the ordeal are painting a very disturbing picture of the alleged events.

Roger Gorley was handcuffed and forcibly removed from Research Medical Center in Kansas City, Mo., on Tuesday after he refused to leave his partner, Allen, who was receiving treatment for severe depression. Roger told Fox station WDAF that the hospital is guilty of discrimination. However, Research Medical Center denies the accusation, saying Roger was "disruptive and belligerent" and had to be escorted from the premises, according to a statement obtained by The Huffington Post.

But according to Amanda Brown, the 26-year-old daughter of Roger, there is much more to the story than hospital officials are letting on.

Speaking with John Aravosis of America Blog, the woman said Allen's brother, Lee, didn't want Roger at the hospital. Lee confronted Roger in front of a nurse, and the nurse allegedly had Roger removed, even though Allen had said he wanted his partner there.

Roger and Allen, who have been together for five years, are in a civil union and make medical decisions for each other through Power of Attorney.

“Lee was being more crazy than my dad, he was the one who was yelling,” Brown said.

Still, the nurse -- who supposedly was aware of Roger and Allen's status -- “directed her comments to Roger, ‘You need to leave the room.’ My dad said, ‘No, this is my husband, I’m going to stay with him," Brown added.

Shortly after, the police arrived.

Amanda described the interaction between her father and law enforcement in a We Are Atheism blog post:

When the Kansas City Missouri Police Department arrived they asked my father to leave the room. He said to them, “No. This is my husband and I am going to stay with him.” The police considered that a violation of a direct order so they began to forcibly remove him from the room. My father held onto the rail of the gurney as well as his husbands hand with everything he had. The police responded with brut [sic] and excessive force. The office began karate chopping his wrist to get him to release the gurney. Then they wrestled him to the ground forcefully enough to knock his glasses off of his face, his hearing aids out of his ears, and nearly break his wrist while they took him down. To handcuff him they pushed a knee into his back and wrenched his wrists around.

She also says her father was cut in the process and began bleeding. She added that one of the officers seemed to be afraid Roger could be HIV-positive.

"One of the arresting officers was so offended by my father’s presence that he would not touch him with his bare hands," she said. "He wore gloves the entire time and to make matters even more humiliating he didn’t want his handcuffs back."

A representative for the Kansas City Police Department told HuffPost that hospital security dealt with Roger while he was in the room. She said police arrived to escort him out of the hospital.

As for the accusation that an officer was wary about Roger bleeding, she said wearing gloves is protocol.

"I don't know if that was a Kansas City officer," the spokeswoman told HuffPost. "I can't speak to that. The only thing I can speak to is the way we handle anyone when there is blood present. It's a protection of ourselves from any bodily fluids. What described isn't unusual. It doesn't have to do with his sexual preference. We don't know -- when we come into contact with people -- what they have or may not have. We just try to be safe."
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Not only is the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) working with Roger, but the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) is also looking into the incident.

"All Americans are guaranteed the right to receive hospital visitors that they designate, and there are specific protections in our rules for same-sex couples across the country," a representative for CMS told BuzzFeed. "We take alleged violations of federal rules around hospital visitation very seriously."

In 2010, President Barack Obama extended hospital visitation rights to same-sex partners in a federal regulation aimed at hospitals participating in Medicare and Medicaid programs. Tuesday's events could be in direct violation of this ruling.

Still, Research Medical Center says there was never any discrimination based on sexual orientation.

"In accordance with HIPAA, all Research Medical Center can report is that this is NOT a Gay Rights issue but an issue of disturbance where the patient was not able to get the care he needed," the hospital responded in a Facebook post.

FrankRep
04-13-2013, 06:54 PM
A Fight broke out in the hospital between Gorley and Mansell's brother.

Very classy.

That's a good way to get kicked out of a hospital.



Roger Gorley, Gay Partner Visitation Rights, Galvanized by Bedside Arrest (http://news.yahoo.com/roger-gorley-gay-partner-visitation-rights-galvanized-bedside-210400005.html)


Yahoo News
Apr 12, 2013


The hospital claims Gorley was removed from the emergency room for being disruptive. Gorley's daughter claims Mansell's brother wanted Gorley removed. Federal authorities are now investigating to determine "what steps to take" in the case.

* Gorley allegedly got into a fight with Mansell's brother about who had a right to be by the man's bedside at the hospital. The argument happened in front of a nurse, according to Fox4KC.com (http://fox4kc.com/2013/04/10/man-no-longer-allowed-to-visit-husband-at-kc-area-hospital/). The couple's paperwork supposedly has each other listed for power of attorney and health care decisions.
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* Fox4KC,com reveals there is security camera footage of the incident. Rob Dyer, spokesman for Hospital Corporation of America (parent company of Research Medical Center), told the media outlet video shows Gorley pointing a finger in the face of a nurse and yelling at her. The husband's "bad behavior" was the reason security and police got involved.
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* The hospital said in a statement to its Facebook page Thursday morning, the company stated, "There was no issue of a restraining order by the hospital" despite reports to the contrary. Research Medical Center called Gorley "disruptive and belligerent."

* The hospital insists, "In accordance with HIPAA, all Research Medical Center can report is that this is NOT a Gay Rights issue but an issue of disturbance where the patient was not able to get the care he needed."
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angelatc
04-13-2013, 06:55 PM
I read that on the site HuffPo ripped it from, and I don't really care. It sounds like the brother and the gay lover were having a big fight in a critically ill patient's room. She should have thrown them both out.

shane77m
04-13-2013, 07:28 PM
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fisharmor
04-13-2013, 07:29 PM
If I was the hospital administrator, I'd have kicked both of them out, and the patient, too.

Sounds like the whole thing is one big liability... I'm surprised with something as soft-science as depression they let the patient stay. Plenty of other medical cows to milk in America, anyway.

McBell
04-13-2013, 07:40 PM
A thousand people could get beat by a thousand cops for a thousand days and the ACLU is nowhere to be seen.

Because the ACLU has never, ever done or said anything about police abuse. (http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/police-brutality)

Anti Federalist
04-13-2013, 08:12 PM
Because the ACLU has never, ever done or said anything about police abuse. (http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/police-brutality)

Seven blog entries in a years time?

Seven?

Oh yeah, they are all over that abuse...:rolleyes:

I could post that many every day, but that would just get me called a cop hater and police basher.

erowe1
04-13-2013, 08:16 PM
All Americans are guaranteed the right to receive hospital visitors that they designate

How in the world does it make sense to anybody anywhere that this would be a guaranteed right?

It's between them and the hospital.

erowe1
04-13-2013, 08:16 PM
I could post that many every day, but that would just get me called a cop hater and police basher.

You do post that many a day, and you consider those names compliments.

Anti Federalist
04-13-2013, 08:20 PM
You do post that many a day, and you consider those names compliments.

Yeah, well, in light of the increasing complaints, I guess I've worn out my welcome, and more than likely will cease.

jkr
04-13-2013, 08:27 PM
we get more dog shootings in a day from AF...

McBell
04-13-2013, 09:07 PM
Seven blog entries in a years time?

Seven?

Oh yeah, they are all over that abuse...:rolleyes:

I could post that many every day, but that would just get me called a cop hater and police basher.

12. How did you count seven? Anyway, regardless of how small that number is, it's pretty dishonest to say that the ACLU just plain doesn't care about police brutality.

Anti Federalist
04-13-2013, 09:10 PM
12. How did you count seven? Anyway, regardless of how small that number is, it's pretty dishonest to say that the ACLU just plain doesn't care about police brutality.

No, it's not dishonest.

It's the truth.

ACLU's commitment to this issue is weak, at best, and when they do bring it up, it almost always involves a racial or sexual angle.

erowe1
04-13-2013, 09:14 PM
Yeah, well, in light of the increasing complaints, I guess I've worn out my welcome, and more than likely will cease.

Who's complaining?

Anti Federalist
04-13-2013, 09:14 PM
Unless I finally stroked out and am seeing double, this is SEVEN blog entries on police abuse, from March 2012 to March 2013:

1

03/07/2013

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Militarization of Police
Towns Don't Need Tanks, But They Have Them
By Allie Bohm, Advocacy & Policy Strategist, ACLU & Emma Andersson, Criminal Law Reform Project at 2:59pm

Keene, New Hampshire has a population of 23,409, except during the months of July and August when campers flock in for the summer. Keene's violent crime index? 134.4, compared to a national average of 213.6. Most common crime? Theft. Good thing the federal Department of Homeland Security (DHS) gave Keene money to buy a BearCat, an armored counter-attack vehicle. What is Keene using its BearCat for? Good question.
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02/07/2013

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Stop-And-Frisk
Worried About Police Accountability in New York City? There's an App for That
By Mike Cummings, Senior Communications Coordinator, NYCLU at 3:54pm

With a flare for innovation fit for Steve Jobs, the New York Civil Liberties Union has empowered anyone...
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10/25/2012

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Photographers' Rights
ACLU Sues Over Abuse Of Photographers By Border Patrol Agents
By Jay Stanley, Senior Policy Analyst, ACLU Speech, Privacy and Technology Project at 1:42pm

The ACLU of San Diego filed a lawsuit today against the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency (CBP) for violating the constitutional rights of two photographers, and for maintaining an official policy prohibiting the use of cameras and video recorders at or near U.S. crossing points, which violates the Constitution.
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07/26/2012

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Police Brutality
Long-Awaited Improvements Coming to New Orleans Police Department
By Marjorie Esman, ACLU of Louisiana at 2:56pm

Earlier this week, the City of New Orleans and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) entered a consent decree to revamp the New Orleans Police Department (NOPD). A consent decree” is essentially a contract monitored by a judge to ensure that the terms of the agreement are met. This is the broadest such agreement in the DOJ's history, covering all aspects of the NOPD from recruitment and training to officer discipline. It will, literally, remake the NOPD and, we hope, remake the city of New Orleans.
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06/19/2012

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Puerto Rico
ACLU Releases New Report on Widespread Police Brutality in Puerto Rico
By Ateqah Khaki at 10:18am

The ACLU today released a report that finds the Puerto Rico Police Department -- the second-largest police department in the U.S. -- is plagued by a culture of unrestrained abuse and brutality. The use of excessive or lethal force is routine among the 17,000 officer-department. In recent years, civil and human rights violations have resulted in the unjustifiable loss of civilians’ lives, and severe and lasting injuries.
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06/15/2012

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Domestic Drones
Ban on Arming Domestic Drones: Let’s Draw a Line in the Sand
By Chris Calabrese, Legislative Counsel, ACLU Washington Legislative Office & Jay Stanley, Senior Policy Analyst, ACLU Speech, Privacy and Technology Project at 7:44am

Last week Rep. Rush Holt (D-NJ) and the House of Representatives drew an important line in the sand. Holt offered an amendment to the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations bill to bar any DHS funding for “the purchase, operation, or maintenance of armed unmanned aerial vehicles.” (The amendment was adopted and the bill has passed the House.) While moves to arm domestic drones are widely seen as beyond the pale and have not really been contemplated (with the exception of one sheriff in Texas who mused about mounting less-lethal weapons like rubber bullets on unmanned aircraft), we believe it’s crucial to get ahead of any possible trend.
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03/06/2012

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Protestors' Rights
Shot in the Face: Pepper-Sprayed U.C. Davis Students Tell Their Story
By Rebecca Farmer, ACLU of Northern California at 6:43pm

The ACLU of Northern California is representing students and alumni in a lawsuit against U.C. Davis and individual police officers.
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McBell
04-13-2013, 11:07 PM
I'm seeing twelve total, so I dunno what's happening. But whatever, I guess it's not important.

WM_in_MO
04-13-2013, 11:08 PM
Point is I can see a new police abuse story just about every day here.

phill4paul
04-13-2013, 11:19 PM
This is the kinda case that led me to change my mind on the "gay marriage" issue.

Pretty much the same circumstance. A gay couple I am friends with. One goes into the hospital during a bad bout of MS. Partner, of 10 years, illegally married.

The one person that new this individual was the one denied making choices.

Gotta turn this around. ALL benefits now afforded to traditionally married couple need too be afforded to a "benefit designee" or any and all benefits need to be ended.

phill4paul
04-13-2013, 11:20 PM
Point is I can see a new police abuse story just about every day here.

Only one? We often do better than that.

Anti Federalist
04-14-2013, 09:56 AM
Only one? We often do better than that.

Cop hater.

Cleaner44
04-14-2013, 10:04 AM
Yeah, well, in light of the increasing complaints, I guess I've worn out my welcome, and more than likely will cease.

Screw the complainers. You spread truth and the truth hurts sometimes. I hope you keep up the good work.

PaulConventionWV
04-14-2013, 11:11 AM
If I was the hospital administrator, I'd have kicked both of them out, and the patient, too.

Sounds like the whole thing is one big liability... I'm surprised with something as soft-science as depression they let the patient stay. Plenty of other medical cows to milk in America, anyway.

You can stay on a hospital bed for depression? Really?

Brian4Liberty
04-14-2013, 01:28 PM
Contempt of medical personnel. Followed shortly by contempt of cop.

FrankRep
04-14-2013, 01:30 PM
Screw the complainers. You spread truth and the truth hurts sometimes. I hope you keep up the good work.

I support a subforum for the "Bad Cop" posts. General forums is wrong place to put it.

Anti Federalist
04-14-2013, 02:06 PM
I support a subforum for the "Bad Cop" posts. General forums is wrong place to put it.

Why? (serious question)

tod evans
04-14-2013, 02:37 PM
I support a subforum for the "Bad Cop" posts. General forums is wrong place to put it.

I disagree, government officials overstepping their bounds seems ripe for discussion in general politics.

WhistlinDave
04-14-2013, 03:15 PM
I read that on the site HuffPo ripped it from, and I don't really care. It sounds like the brother and the gay lover were having a big fight in a critically ill patient's room. She should have thrown them both out.

I agree, they should've both been ejected until they could be civil. Or if the brother Lee was such an asshole that he couldn't respect his brother's wishes with regard to the husband, then Roger and Lee should've set up a schedule so one could be in the waiting room while the other was taking his turn in the room.

It sounds to me like the cops could've tried a little harder to get him to leave the room peacefully without it getting violent. There are plenty of good cops, so I don't want to over-generalize, but I think most of them tend to jump to the use of force to assert their position of power a bit too quickly when they have someone who doesn't want to comply. That being the case, I think the guy is entitled to some damages here against the police and if he decides to sue, I hope he wins his case. Regardless of why it happened or whether the guy is gay, black, lesbian, dwarf, Chinese, or anything else, this should not have happened to him.

WhistlinDave
04-14-2013, 03:21 PM
Yeah, well, in light of the increasing complaints, I guess I've worn out my welcome, and more than likely will cease.

Don't stop. Anyone who doesn't like the "bad cop" stories should be able to tell from the thread title it's something they don't want to read. If they read it and don't like what you have to say about it, it's their problem and their fault for clicking on it. If you can't share stories like this here, where else is the place for them?

If it's up for a vote though, I would vote in favor of a "Bad Cops/Abuse of Police Power" subforum, just so all of them can be found in one place and so anyone who doesn't want to read them can avoid them without having to use their brains much.

RonPaulFanInGA
04-14-2013, 03:32 PM
I'm seeing twelve total, so I dunno what's happening. But whatever, I guess it's not important.

Anti Federalist said "seven blog entries in a years time." That is correct, there are seven entries between March 2012 and the present.

If you count all the entries, on pages one and two, it is twelve. That's from June 2011 to today, not just in the last year.