DEA bans 'bath salts'

[itshappening]

Prohibition works!

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The federal government is permanently placing a drug popularly known as “bath salts” on its list of most dangerous substances.

The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is formally classifying the drug methylone as a Schedule 1 substance. The designation brings tough penalties for possession and distribution of the drug.

By using its most restrictive category, the DEA has determined that methlyone has no medical use and could be easily abused.

The White House's Office of National Drug Control Policy describes bath salts as similar to cocaine and methamphetamine, and says its use "is associated with increased heart rate and blood pressure, extreme paranoia, hallucinations, and violent behavior, which causes users to harm themselves or others."

According to the DEA rule, methylone is "structurally and pharmacologically similar" to the drug ecstasy.

“Some individuals under the influence of methylone have acted violently and unpredictably causing harm, or even death, to themselves or others,” the rule says.

The Controlled Substance Act regulates drugs into five schedules, depending on their potential for abuse and medical use. Schedule 1 is the most stringent, and designates that a substance has "no currently accepted medical use in the United States, a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision, and a high potential for abuse."

Heroin, marijuana and LSD are other drugs classified as Schedule 1 substances.

Since 2011, methylone had been listed as Schedule 1 on a temporary basis, as the DEA worked through the regulatory process to issue the permanent classification.

The issuance of the final rule, due to be published in the Federal Register on Friday, will permanently classify the drug as an illicit substance without a medical use.

Anti-drug organizations are pleased.

"We at the Partnership are very concerned about these products," said Marcia Lee Taylor, the senior vice president for government affairs at the Partnership at DrugFree.org, a drug prevention and treatment resource. "We support all of DEA's actions in this area to control their availability."

“This is wonderful news," added Arthur Dean, chairman and CEO of the Community Anti-Drug Coalitions of America, in a statement. "Bath salts are a very misunderstood substance. Making them a schedule 1 drug is an important step in reducing the use of this dangerous substance."

Bath salts have gained popularity in the United States since their emergence in 2009. The drug memorably burst into the public consciousness after a heavily publicized 2012 Miami cannibalism incident was initially blamed on bath salts, though they were later found not to be involved.

SOURCE:
http://thehill.com/blogs/regwatch/healthcare/293401-drug-enforcement-agency-bans-bath-salts

[tod evans]

Ban the DEA!

[ZENemy]

Can they ban Geo Engineering please? its WAY worse for our health.

[phill4paul]

How much of this stuff may have been purchased as an actually bath salt? That is how it was marketed or am I mistaken? If so, how much of this stuff may have been given as an unwanted gift and is sitting under someones sink, in a drawer or in a closet right now? I guess it was knowingly sold as a drug but I imagine that out of the population perhaps one grandmother is now a felon.

[tod evans]

Now come on Phill, even grandma deserves imprisonment or possibly death for possessing verboten substances..:rolleyes:

[itshappening]

We need more criminals. American Federal prisons deserve better.

[The Free Hornet]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Methylone.svg/220px-Methylone.svg.png

Adios! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylone)

[CaseyJones]

prohibition created "bath salts"

[itshappening]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Methylone.svg/220px-Methylone.svg.png

Adios! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylone)

They will probably alter the chemical slightly and call it something else.

This is a game the DEA cannot hope to win. It's hilarious.

[jkr]

ban fluoride in the drinking water u fuGGers!

[dillo]

Well if the CIA would lower the cocaine prices.............

[Dr.3D]

From the OP

“Some individuals under the influence of methylone have acted violently and unpredictably causing harm, or even death, to themselves or others,” the rule says.
So it's best to let the cops cause even more harm and death instead?

[MRK]

How much of this stuff may have been purchased as an actually bath salt? That is how it was marketed or am I mistaken? If so, how much of this stuff may have been given as an unwanted gift and is sitting under someones sink, in a drawer or in a closet right now? I guess it was knowingly sold as a drug but I imagine that out of the population perhaps one grandmother is now a felon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_analogue_act
The Federal Analog Act, 21 U.S.C. § 813, is a section of the United States Controlled Substances Act passed in 1986 which allowed any chemical "substantially similar" to a controlled substance listed in Schedule I or II to be treated as if it were also listed in those schedules, but only if intended for human consumption. These similar substances are often called designer drugs.

Therefore, in order to legally sell these chemicals, these distributors say that they are used as bath salts (implying they are not used for human consumption). Otherwise, because these chemicals are analogues of other stimulants that are already scheduled, they would fall within the jurisdiction of the above mentioned act.

To answer your question, who knows how many people have used them as labelled without realizing what it really was? Chalk up another unintended consequence of government interference.

[itshappening]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_analogue_act
The Federal Analog Act, 21 U.S.C. § 813, is a section of the United States Controlled Substances Act passed in 1986 which allowed any chemical "substantially similar" to a controlled substance listed in Schedule I or II to be treated as if it were also listed in those schedules, but only if intended for human consumption. These similar substances are often called designer drugs.

Therefore, in order to legally sell these chemicals, these distributors say that they are used as bath salts (implying they are not used for human consumption). Otherwise, because these chemicals are analogues of other stimulants that are already scheduled, they would fall within the jurisdiction of the above mentioned act.

To answer your question, who knows how many people have used them as labelled without realizing what it really was? Chalk up another unintended consequence of government interference.

Yeah, these designer drugs are labelled "not fit for human consumption" and sold as bath salts/plant food/whatever. But the kids are snorting them like cocaine.

[kcchiefs6465]

prohibition created "bath salts"
This.

[QuickZ06]

Well if the CIA would lower the cocaine prices.............

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/9032/cocaineo605114.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/cocaineo605114.jpg/)

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/949/53cj.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/19/53cj.jpg/)

[tangent4ronpaul]

prohibition created "bath salts"


They will probably alter the chemical slightly and call it something else.

This is a game the DEA cannot hope to win. It's hilarious.

This is exactly what happens and generally, the farther you get from a good, "fun" molecule, the more bad side effects you get. It's not just recreational drugs either. Remember Prilosec? It's patent ran out and it went generic and OTC (also mega cheap!) so the drug company tried to "evergreen" it by developing Nexium. "the purple pill". After burying 5 independent studies they finally got one that said it has a slight esophageal healing advantage over prilosec and that didn't kick in till after 45 days and only lasted a few days. That is the SOLE bases for all their ads claiming that the uber expensive (under patent) Nexium is superior to prilosec.

Drug companies justify their exorbitant charges because of the high cost of developing a new drug and because it takes about a decade and hundreds of millions to develop a new drug, due to FDA regulations.

The dirty little secret is that drug companies spend twice as much on advertizing as they do on R&D. Wonder why... :rolleyes:

Drug companies are also the MOST profitable industry in the US.

Now why is the cost of medical care about to collapse the federal government and the economy again?

-t

[Carehn]

prohibition created "bath salts"
This, and i believe that if the DEA looks up the actual US code for bath salt banning they will find and interesting number on fucking ones self.

[Anti Federalist]

The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is formally classifying the drug methylone as a Schedule 1 substance. The designation brings tough penalties for possession and distribution of the drug.

Riddle me this:

How is it that drugs can be banned by regulatory fiat but it took a constitutional amendment to ban booze?

[heavenlyboy34]

How much of this stuff may have been purchased as an actually bath salt? That is how it was marketed or am I mistaken? If so, how much of this stuff may have been given as an unwanted gift and is sitting under someones sink, in a drawer or in a closet right now? I guess it was knowingly sold as a drug but I imagine that out of the population perhaps one grandmother is now a felon.Good point. Time for no-knock raids on everyone who has ever purchased bath salts.

[dillo]

Riddle me this:

How is it that drugs can be banned by regulatory fiat but it took a constitutional amendment to ban booze?


There was no DEA during prohibition

[heavenlyboy34]

Riddle me this:

How is it that drugs can be banned by regulatory fiat but it took a constitutional amendment to ban booze?
This is pure conjecture, but I suspect that booze was popular with enough important people that they went through the motions of amendment to make it seem more legit. By the time "hard" drugs were outlawed, they had been thoroughly demonized and the propaganda mill had molded public opinion. (the Temperance Movement probably played a role too) Only a few generations before, the "War On Drugs" would probably have been seen as absurd and would stir Boobus from his usual slumber.

[silverhandorder]

Why wouldn't they ban designer drugs? I would not ban any drugs but this does not seems out of place for someone who wants drugs banned.

[jkob]

there goes my weekend

[tangent4ronpaul]

Good point. Time for no-knock raids on everyone who has ever purchased bath salts.

But you have to register purchases before you can kick in their doors and confiscate their bath salts!


There was no DEA during prohibition

Made me wonder if there were any regulatory agencies back then. I thought this cancer was created with the New Deal.

Yeppers! They did exist.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/496265/regulatory-agency

The first agency was the Interstate Commerce Commission (ICC), established by Congress in 1887 to regulate the railroads (and, later, motor carriers, inland waterways, and oil companies). It was abolished in 1996 but long served as the prototype of such an agency. The ICC was organized in the belief that a commission of specialists would know more about the railroads and their unique problems than Congress would, that a permanent commission could provide a more unbroken line of policy than could an elected body, and that it could combine the two functions of legislative and judicial that are necessary for effective regulation.
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The assertion of governmental control in other industries led to the creation of many other regulatory agencies modeled upon the ICC, chief among these being the Federal Trade Commission (FTC, 1914), Federal Communications Commission (FCC, 1934), and Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC, 1934). In addition, regulatory powers were conferred upon the ordinary executive departments; the Department of Agriculture, for example, was given such powers under the Stockyards and Packers Act (1938). Much of President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal program of the 1930s was carried out through administrative regulation. During the same period a comparable development took place in state and municipal government.

regulatory agency, independent governmental commission established by legislative act in order to set standards in a specific field of activity, or operations, in the private sector of the economy and to then enforce those standards. Regulatory agencies function outside executive supervision. Because the regulations that they adopt have the force of law, part of these agencies’ function is essentially legislative; but because they may also conduct hearings and pass judgments concerning adherence to their regulations, they also exercise a judicial function—often carried out before a quasi-judicial official called an administrative law judge, who is not part of the court system.

Who are these "administrative law judge's" and how did they get that job? Can this be influenced?

Regulatory agencies use a commission system of administration, and their terms of office are fixed and often very long. Federal Reserve Board members, for instance, serve for 14 years. Regulatory agency commissions are appointed by the president, but their terms are staggered, so that no one president is able to drastically change the nature of the agency by the appointments he might make.

Like, say when Obama made a former Monsanto guy the head of the USDA and our food supply went down the crapper?

So who are the "Regulatory agency commissioners" and when are their terms up? Is it possible to influence who gets put on the list for consideration? I believe that the Senate can block approval of one, so we should be able to influence that. Is it possible to yank a current one?

I personally believe that just about all of the regulatory agencies are unconstitutional, and a cancer on our society. They need to be attacked, weakened and ideally abolished!

-t

[Expatriate]

Riddle me this:

How is it that drugs can be banned by regulatory fiat but it took a constitutional amendment to ban booze?

It amazes me that more people aren't bothered by that.

[WM_in_MO]

Riddle me this:

How is it that drugs can be banned by regulatory fiat but it took a constitutional amendment to ban booze?

What's an amendment?