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Origanalist
04-10-2013, 05:57 PM
Links at article......


Appalling (via ABC 6 WVPI):


A local abortion clinic is under fire, facing allegations of unsafe and unsanitary conditions. A series of emergency calls made from the Planned Parenthood of Delaware this year are raising concerns about what's happening behind the closed doors. Two former nurses who both quit are speaking exclusively with Action News about what they saw inside. ayne Mitchell-Werbrich, former employee said, "It was just unsafe. I couldn't tell you how ridiculously unsafe it was." Werbrich alleges conditions inside the facility were unsanitary. "He didn't wear gloves," said Werbrich. Another former employee, Joyce Vasikonis told Action News, "They were using instruments on patients that were not sterile." The former nurses claim that a rush to get patients in and out left operating tables soiled and unclean. Werbrich said "It's not washed down, it's not even cleaned off. It has bloody drainage on it." "They could be at risk of getting hepatitis, even AIDS," added Vasikonis. Both of these nurses said, they quit to protect their own medical licenses, stunned by what they called a meat-market style of assembly-line abortions.


Another relevant fact:


In Delaware, abortion clinics are not subject to routine inspections. The state only steps in when they have a patient complaint. Planned Parenthood is essentially in charge of inspecting itself.


Such is the case in many states, where elements of the pro-choice movement fight tooth and nail to block efforts to regulate these clinics more strictly, in accordance with medical standards of most hospitals. Meanwhile, the Gosnell trial continues in Philadelphia, where more horrifying details about the accused serial killer's "abortion clinic" emerge with each passing day. (Warning: Those last two links are heartbreaking and brutal). Gosnell's string of murders finally came to light when he killed an adult patient, too, and the prosecution is relying on whiste-blowers employed by the "doctor" to secure his conviction. Now we have two whistle-blowing nurses willing to describe the third-world "meat-market" conditions in their Delaware Planned Parenthood clinic. How many more Planned Parenthood abortion mills operate this way? This is an organization that receives nine figures in taxpayer funding each year, and whose officials defend infanticide in public, under oath:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qEv1afKaLhA



The media blackout on both that skin-crawling performance and the Gosnell massacre has been extraordinary. We're often told that there's no such thing as liberal media bias; the press is just biased toward conflict and sensationalism. I'm not sure how much more sensationalistic the Gosnell trial could get. Blood, gore, severed heads, severed feet in jars, "aliens," and a remorseless serial killer. Not interested, say the vast majority of America's journalists. Hmm. It's almost as if they'd prefer to ignore stories that are inconvenient to the causes they hold dear. Meanwhile, women and babies are suffering in macabre, unsanitary dens of death. "Safe, legal and rare," has been the Democrats' mantra for years. They've recently dropped "rare." It seems "safe" is an afterthought, too, when push comes to shove. The paramount element is "legal."
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/04/10/revealed-another-abortion-house-of-horrors-n1563819#

dannno
04-10-2013, 05:59 PM
Meh, still safer than a coat hanger.

Origanalist
04-10-2013, 06:02 PM
Meh, still safer than a coat hanger.

Nice. And I think you're way off, does a coat hanger have other peoples blood on it? Or did you bother to read the damn thing?

Origanalist
04-10-2013, 06:02 PM
Double post.

dannno
04-10-2013, 06:08 PM
Nice. And I think you're way off, does a coat hanger have other peoples blood on it? Or did you bother to read the damn thing?

I think more women would have more health problems if they had access to a coat hanger than if they have access to a professional who is a bit unsanitary.

Origanalist
04-10-2013, 06:09 PM
I think more women would have more health problems if they had access to a coat hanger than if they have access to a professional who is a bit unsanitary.

You don't think, you want.

dannno
04-10-2013, 06:12 PM
You don't think, you want.

I want less women injuring themselves if they decide to have an abortion?

dannno
04-10-2013, 06:17 PM
Hey my roommate was telling me something recently, and I'm not sure if I agree with it, but I'm wondering if anybody here has ever heard of it.

He said that he studied an abortion case from the late 1800s where an amicus brief was presented the court by a bunch of historians showing that abortion was both legal and normal during colonial times as well as the early founding of the country.

He had a hard time digging up the document on the internet, but swears it exists, he wrote a paper on it.

Anybody know about this?

Origanalist
04-10-2013, 06:18 PM
I want less women injuring themselves if they decide to have an abortion?

Sure that's it. Yer a regular saint.

Origanalist
04-10-2013, 06:24 PM
Hey my roommate was telling me something recently, and I'm not sure if I agree with it, but I'm wondering if anybody here has ever heard of it.

He said that he studied an abortion case from the late 1800s where an amicus brief was presented the court by a bunch of historians showing that abortion was both legal and normal during colonial times as well as the early founding of the country.

He had a hard time digging up the document on the internet, but swears it exists, he wrote a paper on it.

Anybody know about this?

Anybody? I'm waiting..................

Christian Liberty
04-10-2013, 06:25 PM
Notice: The following is going to be politically incorrect. Read at your own risk!

Why should I give a slightest bit of a crap whether or not the abortion clinic is "Sanitary" or "Safe?" Granted, I do not wish death on these people, I wish repentence, but death is exactly what they deserve for their crime of murder. The women, the doctors, all of them. Granted, some are ignorant, but ignorance isn't really an excuse. At best you could argue that that knocks it down to manslaughter, but it doesn't matter, an innocent baby was slain.

If a Nazi death camp were "Unsanitary" and therefore concentration camp guards were dying like flies, would we care about them? Or would we care about the innocent people that died?

I get that the spirit of the OP is to oppose abortion, but I don't see how opposing it on grounds that the WOMEN (Read: In this context "Murderers") being unsafe is a reason for this. Its also absurd on libertarian grounds, you absolutely have a right to endanger yourself. Its the innocent person that I'm worried about.

Origanalist
04-10-2013, 06:31 PM
Notice: The following is going to be politically incorrect. Read at your own risk!

Why should I give a slightest bit of a crap whether or not the abortion clinic is "Sanitary" or "Safe?" Granted, I do not wish death on these people, I wish repentence, but death is exactly what they deserve for their crime of murder. The women, the doctors, all of them. Granted, some are ignorant, but ignorance isn't really an excuse. At best you could argue that that knocks it down to manslaughter, but it doesn't matter, an innocent baby was slain.

If a Nazi death camp were "Unsanitary" and therefore concentration camp guards were dying like flies, would we care about them? Or would we care about the innocent people that died?

I get that the spirit of the OP is to oppose abortion, but I don't see how opposing it on grounds that the WOMEN (Read: In this context "Murderers") being unsafe is a reason for this. Its also absurd on libertarian grounds, you absolutely have a right to endanger yourself. Its the innocent person that I'm worried about.



Well sure, and I get that. My objective is to wipe out the false notion that abortion is just a clean and sanitary way to dispose of a mere inconvenience.

Christian Liberty
04-10-2013, 06:47 PM
I think more women would have more health problems if they had access to a coat hanger than if they have access to a professional who is a bit unsanitary.

The more dangerous murder is, the better. This applies both to our troops who are "Fighting for our freedoms" (Heavy, HEAVY sarcasm) overseas, and women who try to murder their own children in the womb.

TC95
04-10-2013, 06:59 PM
ALL abortion clinics are "houses of horrors" whether they're sanitary or not. Just think how horrific it is for the babies involved.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gON-8PP6zgQ

The Free Hornet
04-10-2013, 07:01 PM
Anybody? I'm waiting..................

I can't speak to "legal" or "normal", but the practice seems ancient as well as the attempts to stop it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion#Prehistory_to_5th_century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion#Prehistory_to_5th_century)

Christian Liberty
04-10-2013, 07:05 PM
Well yes, I realize its been happening forever. So has war. And socialism dates back to the Roman Empire (Maybe further, I don't know, but at least that far.)

Not all traditions are worth keeping. And yes, I know women are still going to do this. There isn't anything the government can do about this really, other than charge those who are immoral enough to actually admit to their crime with murder. They're still despicable people and it should still be illegal to murder on principle.

Origanalist
04-10-2013, 07:20 PM
I can't speak to "legal" or "normal", but the practice seems ancient as well as the attempts to stop it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion#Prehistory_to_5th_century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion#Prehistory_to_5th_century)

I'm not denying that.

Origanalist
04-10-2013, 07:46 PM
So the same bunch that insists that women will be using coathangers and "back alley abortions" votes against government regulation of murder factories. They say "the rules were an effort by state leaders to limit access to clinics by increasing the costs of operation, which could ultimately force many clinics out of business.

Oh the irony........

Christian Liberty
04-10-2013, 08:28 PM
I don't want the killing "Regulated". I'd vote against that too. The more dangerous and unsanitary these sick procedures are, the better. Barring a BAN on the practice, I'd spend my energy trying to get vigilantes who dish out the justice that the government won't pardoned.

angelatc
04-10-2013, 09:18 PM
Meh, still safer than a coat hanger.


Brainwashed much? In countries where abortions have been banned, there is no increase in overall maternal mortality, and abortion related mortality drops. Go figure.

angelatc
04-10-2013, 09:20 PM
I don't want the killing "Regulated". I'd vote against that too. The more dangerous and unsanitary these sick procedures are, the better. Barring a BAN on the practice, I'd spend my energy trying to get vigilantes who dish out the justice that the government won't pardoned.

The only time these laws can be implemented is when they trail public opinion. If the truths about these procedures and the after effects were repeated on the news every week or so, the nation would turn to being afraid of and against the procedure.

Origanalist
04-10-2013, 09:22 PM
Brainwashed much? In countries where abortions have been banned, there is no increase in overall maternal mortality, and abortion related mortality drops. Go figure.

Doesn't matter. Raising a baby is HARD, and takes away from your free time.

angelatc
04-10-2013, 09:26 PM
Doesn't matter. Raising a baby is HARD, and takes away from your free time.

Not to mention the horror of stretch marks.

angelatc
04-10-2013, 09:27 PM
I can't speak to "legal" or "normal", but the practice seems ancient as well as the attempts to stop it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion#Prehistory_to_5th_century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion#Prehistory_to_5th_century)


So you're saying there have always been crazy people?

Origanalist
04-10-2013, 09:27 PM
Not to mention the horror of stretch marks.

Ugh. Scarred for LIFE.

Origanalist
04-10-2013, 09:56 PM
The only time these laws can be implemented is when they trail public opinion. If the truths about these procedures and the after effects were repeated on the news every week or so, the nation would turn to being afraid of and against the procedure.

Too bad I'm not CNN-NBC-CBS-ABC-MSNBC-Richard Murdoch.