MSNBC: You have the right to healthcare, education, housing and food 'at all times'

[itshappening]

This is outright Communism being promoted on MSNBC:

VIDEO:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2013/04/10/more-socialism-harris-perrys-latest-lean-forward-most-successful-o

Notice the lying Commie starts off by trying to disarm the viewer with an embrace of freedom and inequality before launching into the 'right' to have everything provided for you by the State.

BTW, this is MSNBC testing the new Democrat message. They're so closely tied it's practically a propaganda arm of the Democrat Party and the US government. The Democrats are now openly pushing for a Communist/crony corporatist agenda in America.

I dont think they've ever gone so far before. Healthcare is just the start of their nationalization program.

[talkingpointes]

If they are the media arm (which I do not deny) FOX isn't going to call them out or say anything; what does that make them?

[Sola_Fide]

Cool! I have a right to other people's labor and wealth. What a wonderful little world of slavery I live in.

[itshappening]

Like I said healthcare is just the start. The Democrats are now saying they want it all; everything. All industry to be controlled by DC. Privately owned by corporatist interests but regulated and licensed by the Administration in Washington.

Usually they try and get control of utilities and factories which they already do to a certain extent (Tennessee Valley Authority and GM etc). They basically want those sorts of enterprises to be the model for the whole of America.

The right to housing might mean they start taking over the homebuilders after the next inevitable market collapse. That way they can centrally plan the building of homes from Washington DC and decide who gets what in the 50 states. Towns and cities will come to Washington to beg for more housing.

Imagine the political payoffs with every mayor in America having to deal with the Feds to get some decent housing stock in their area. The Feds will be able to reward and punish Metro areas who don't vote a certain way. The mayor will be under no illusion he has to deliver Democrat votes. Immigrants will be given quotas etc.

This will be the new socialist planned economy. The Feds want direct control over every aspect of your life.

[talkingpointes]

Like I said healthcare is just the start. The Democrats are now saying they want it all; everything. All industry to be controlled by DC. Privately owned by corporatist interests but regulated and licensed by the Administration in Washington.

Usually they try and get control of utilities and factories which they already do to a certain extent (Tennessee Valley Authority and GM etc). They basically want those sorts of enterprises to be the model for the whole of America.

The right to housing might mean they start taking over the homebuilders after the next inevitable market collapse. That way they can centrally plan the building of homes from Washington DC and decide who gets what in the 50 states. Towns and cities will come to Washington to beg for more housing.

Imagine the political payoffs with every mayor in America having to deal with the Feds to get some decent housing stock in their area. The Feds will be able to reward and punish Metro areas who don't vote a certain way. The mayor will be under no illusion he has to deliver Democrat votes. Immigrants will be given quotas etc.

This will be the new socialist planned economy. The Feds want direct control over every aspect of your life.

The Democrats, all by themselves ?

[itshappening]

The Democrats, all by themselves ?

The GOP are offering a different flavor. They want to be the party of defense industry etc.

See my other thread on the ACU.

The GOP have always been happy as long as the defense money flows. They haven't gone as far as this.

[MRK]

WHY HASN'T THE GOVERNMENT DELIVERED MY PIZZA YET I'VE BEEN WAITING 25 EXCRUCIATING YEARS FOR THIS

IT'S GETTING NO TIP I ASSURE YOU

[tod evans]

And loyal TV viewers are on their knees, lips pursed ready for the first available government teat....

[The Free Hornet]

The GOP are offering a different flavor. They want to be the party of defense industry etc.

See my other thread on the ACU [uh.... link? here it is (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?410820-American-Conservative-Union-EXPOSED!)].

The GOP have always been happy as long as the defense money flows. They haven't gone as far as this.

But how is one flavor further than the other ("They haven't gone as far as this."). IMO, talking about Democrats and progressives as distinct from Republicans and neocons is not going to grow the tent. Even as opposition parties, both are limp wristed. The Democrats were ineffective under Bush as the Republicans are under Obama.

Also, your "etc." of "defense industry etc." includes

- big pharma
- big ag
- prison industrial complex
- state-licensed doctors and lawyers
- import/export freedom for corps, restrictions for individuals
- insurance requirements / mandated gambling

Defense is just one piece of the pie and in no situation do I see the blame soley with one party. It may shift 40-60%, but that is about it.

[Acala]

One little fly in the ointment - government has no money. Government already ate all the crops, ate the seedcorn, then borrowed crops and seedcorn from all the neighbors and ate that. There ain't no more cornbread Joe. The era of big government socialism is all over but for the crying.

[TonySutton]

I agree with them. I want the right to have healthcare. I just don't want the government to provide it. Just like with speech and guns, I can choose to exercise my rights, that is my choice but the government has no business butting in where my rights are concerned. So if I have a right to healthcare the government needs to be completely uninvolved. The same with speech, guns, education, housing and food... especially pizza!

:P

[itshappening]

But how is one flavor further than the other ("They haven't gone as far as this."). IMO, talking about Democrats and progressives as distinct from Republicans and neocons is not going to grow the tent. Even as opposition parties, both are limp wristed. The Democrats were ineffective under Bush as the Republicans are under Obama.

Also, your "etc." of "defense industry etc." includes

- big pharma
- big ag
- prison industrial complex
- state-licensed doctors and lawyers
- import/export freedom for corps, restrictions for individuals
- insurance requirements / mandated gambling

Defense is just one piece of the pie and in no situation do I see the blame soley with one party. It may shift 40-60%, but that is about it.

I think that's right but my point is they never went as far as taking over industry like Democrats did with Obamacare... even though they're funding it now and we must infer are temporarily approving it.

[Lafayette]

So i don't have to work anymore?

I'll be eagerly awaiting that government check to cover all those things, $5000 a month should do it, with $1000 increases every month to cover the cost of inflation.

[Liberty74]

MSNBC is anti-human, thieves and down right criminals. Heck, they don't even believe mothers and fathers own their very own children.

[itshappening]

MSNBC is anti-human, thieves and down right criminals. Heck, they don't even believe mothers and fathers own their very own children.

MSNBC are testing messages for the DNC... this is my point I think. The Democrats are becoming more and more radical and unapologetically liberal. It's not your fathers Democrat Party that's for sure.

They probably want to apply Obamacare to other sectors of the economy. They think what they did was successful. No doubt they're getting huge payoffs and contributions from the insurance industries who are now doubling everyone's premiums.

They like this model. The money flows in and the politicians have control.

[Dr.3D]

So i don't have to work anymore?

I'll be eagerly awaiting that government check to cover all those things, $5000 a month should do it, with $1000 increases every month to cover the cost of inflation.
Yep, we can all just sit back and let the state take care of us. We don't have to lift a finger.

[tod evans]

So if I have a right to healthcare the government needs to be completely uninvolved. The same with speech, guns, education, housing and food... especially pizza!

:P

Good God, can't you imagine government pizza? http://www.ramsrule.com/herd/addon.php?5,module=embed_images,url=http%3A%2F%2Fi mages.zaazu.com%2Fimg%2Fvomit-boy01-vomit-puke-sick-smiley-emoticon-000652-large.gif

[Demigod]

So i don't have to work anymore?

I'll be eagerly awaiting that government check to cover all those things, $5000 a month should do it, with $1000 increases every month to cover the cost of inflation.

You will get a check for 5000,then it will grow every month 50K,500K,5 million,5 billion and so on.And with each day the paycheck grows the amount of stuff there is in the store will shrink.First foreign products like cars,clothes will start to disappear ( all in the plan to have more jobs in the USA making clothes and cars no one wants to buy ) ,then things like coffee,spices and it will go on like that until one day you have to get up in 6:30 in the morning so you can go get bread at the store before it runs out,or maybe you could go around 7:30 if the store clerk is good enough friend to store some bread under the counter and of course always remember only even last numbers on licence plate can drive today and odd ones are tomorrow so we can save gas.

[QuickZ06]

People who work hard and sacrifice and save their money and make major contributions: we think that they should earn a little more.

Well only if you say so master.

[Christian Liberty]

If it was just "Defense" I'd agree with ItsHappening on this. Just throwing 700 billion dollars... I can live with that. Granted, it still pisses me off, but we could probably deal with that. The Democrats do indeed want more than that.

That said, we aren't just throwing 700 billion dollars. We're using that money to flat out murder people. What on earth could be worse than that?

The Democrats also never really claimed to be for small government.

[Christian Liberty]

MSNBC is anti-human, thieves and down right criminals. Heck, they don't even believe mothers and fathers own their very own children.

Well, they actually don't. I'm going to have to agree with MSNBC on this one, although I imagine that whatever conclusion they drew from that was idiotic.

You don't OWN your children. You own property. You own animals. You do not own human beings. Human beings cannot be owned.

Granted, you have the right to RAISE your children as you see fit, with a few restrictions (Basically, you can't abuse or neglect your kids) but you don't actually own them.

[jclay2]

And loyal TV viewers are on their knees, lips pursed ready for the first available government teat....

lol, thought you were going to go a different direction then teat/treat (whatever you meant to type). hahah

[UpperDecker]

Ugh, this one is even worse than the first one. We have many rights, but these are not them.

[VanBummel]

Are these 'lean forward' videos going to be a regular thing? This lady's really racing to the top of my shit list.

[Danan]

WHY HASN'T THE GOVERNMENT DELIVERED MY PIZZA YET I'VE BEEN WAITING 25 EXCRUCIATING YEARS FOR THIS

IT'S GETTING NO TIP I ASSURE YOU

Tipping is subversive anyways, comrade! Pay what the government says it costs!

[MRK]

I'm so hungry, WHERE IS MY PIZZA? Do I have to pay for everything around here? Why just last week I ordered a pizza and it was delivered to my door within 19 minutes of ordering. I shouldn't have to pay for that kind service more than once a month. Who could afford such a thing? I need free food from the comfort of my own home. What am I made of money here?

[MRK]

But on a more serious note, a large Papa John's cheese pizza with Pineapple, Onions and Banana Peppers, fresh out of the oven, is unbelievably amazing.

[Origanalist]

If they are the media arm (which I do not deny) FOX isn't going to call them out or say anything; what does that make them?



Republicans

[tangent4ronpaul]

Are these 'lean forward' videos going to be a regular thing? This lady's really racing to the top of my shit list.

Actually, I think this is a great meme! It just needs a slight modification and pushed everywhere (e-mail, twitter, facebook, etc) to make it go viral.

http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/2012/2013-04-10MSNBCLeanForwardHarris-Perry.JPG

AND SPREAD THEM!

-t

ps: the architectural style behind her looks really soviet...

[juleswin]

One little fly in the ointment - government has no money. Government already ate all the crops, ate the seedcorn, then borrowed crops and seedcorn from all the neighbors and ate that. There ain't no more cornbread Joe. The era of big government socialism is all over but for the crying.

Bullshit, govt has lots of money. Remember, the statists believe that we are the govt and if you have some money then govt has money. So quit whinning and pay up because you are the government.

[itshappening]

But on a more serious note, a large Papa John's cheese pizza with Pineapple, Onions and Banana Peppers, fresh out of the oven, is unbelievably amazing.

How much?

[bolil]

Funny such things can be so expensive when they are "rights" hmmm.

[juleswin]

How much?

$11 and change for large

[MRK]

How much?

It varies widely. You can go to sites like Retailmenot.com and slickdeals and look for special coupon promos, which Papa Johns changes often. Like often you can find 50% off specials. Right now they only have 25% off ones. I pay anywhere between $6-10 per large pizza (after the promos). However Papa Johns has a delivery surcharge of $2.XX. So for two large pizzas delivered with tip sometimes I can get the total for around $20 during the good promos.

I told my brother about the promo code thing a couple weeks ago, and he looked pretty shocked, and said "...I could've saved a lot of money had I known this."

If you're ever checking something out online, and you see a box for a promo code, just google the site and the words promo or coupon and you'll probably save yourself a good amount of cash to make it worth your while to google it really quick.

[itshappening]

That's pretty good.. 10 bucks each.

[HOLLYWOOD]

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[Koz]

Do I have the right to bear arms?

[CTRattlesnake]

At least their not hiding it anymore


You dont have a right to things, you dont have a right to stuff.

[ClydeCoulter]

Were they taling about government approved housing only? Where's the outrage by MSNBC over http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?410794-Kansas-City-Underground-homeless-camp-cleared-near-the-East-Bottoms

[PaulConventionWV]

I agree with them. I want the right to have healthcare. I just don't want the government to provide it. Just like with speech and guns, I can choose to exercise my rights, that is my choice but the government has no business butting in where my rights are concerned. So if I have a right to healthcare the government needs to be completely uninvolved. The same with speech, guns, education, housing and food... especially pizza!

:P

Eh, I don't think you quite understand what a right is. Nobody is obligated to provide you with healthcare. You have the right to seek healthcare. If nobody will give it you, then they cannot be forced to.

[PaulConventionWV]

So i don't have to work anymore?

I'll be eagerly awaiting that government check to cover all those things, $5000 a month should do it, with $1000 increases every month to cover the cost of inflation.

A thousand a month to cover inflation? LOL don't be ridiculous inflation isn't that fast.

[Anti Federalist]

That fascism, not communism.

I suppose though, it really doesn't matter, eh, comrade?


Like I said healthcare is just the start. The Democrats are now saying they want it all; everything. All industry to be controlled by DC. Privately owned by corporatist interests but regulated and licensed by the Administration in Washington.

Usually they try and get control of utilities and factories which they already do to a certain extent (Tennessee Valley Authority and GM etc). They basically want those sorts of enterprises to be the model for the whole of America.

The right to housing might mean they start taking over the homebuilders after the next inevitable market collapse. That way they can centrally plan the building of homes from Washington DC and decide who gets what in the 50 states. Towns and cities will come to Washington to beg for more housing.

Imagine the political payoffs with every mayor in America having to deal with the Feds to get some decent housing stock in their area. The Feds will be able to reward and punish Metro areas who don't vote a certain way. The mayor will be under no illusion he has to deliver Democrat votes. Immigrants will be given quotas etc.

This will be the new socialist planned economy. The Feds want direct control over every aspect of your life.

[Anti Federalist]

A thousand a month to cover inflation? LOL don't be ridiculous inflation isn't that fast.

Yet.

[Christian Liberty]

I think its hillarious that these baffoons would rather have the right to all of these things, yet not actually have any of them, rather than have no right to these things yet have them in abundance...

[nobody's_hero]

Sorry, but I have to be honest here: I'm starting to think that democrats are much closer to nationalism than republicans.

Now, I try very hard to keep telling myself that there's no real difference, but I know that I can always sit down with a republican and be able to extract a basic attitude from them that all politicians are worthless and we'd be better off with less government, yet I have NEVER heard such a sentiment from a democrat. Maybe in the days of 'blue dogs', but I'll give up all my positive reputation on Ron Paul forums to the first person who can find me a 'blue dog' democrat in this day and age.

EDIT: And Papa John's is just plain weird and inconsistent with their pricing. If you know how to work your way around the website, you can actually end up paying close to 20% less than taking 'advantage' of some of their 'deals.' I won't let my sister order pizza on their website anymore because I can usually order the same thing for about $7 less. You just have to know what to click on.

[Christian Liberty]

Sorry, but I have to be honest here: I'm starting to think that democrats are much closer to nationalism than republicans.

Now, I try very hard to keep telling myself that there's no real difference, but I know that I can always sit down with a republican and be able to extract a basic attitude from them that all politicians are worthless and we'd be better off with less government, yet I have NEVER heard such a sentiment from a democrat. Maybe in the days of 'blue dogs', but I'll give up all my positive reputation on Ron Paul forums to the first person who can find me a 'blue dog' democrat in this day and age.

Not a problem. Iron sharpens iron, as it were. I'm an angry cynical ideologue. You need optimists, realists, and pragmatists too.

When it comes to the common people, I'd agree with you. The averge Republican that I'll talk to will usually object to my extreme rhetoric but they're usually sympathetic to a lot of what I say. Most of them are fiscally conservative, and many are moderate enough on foreign policy that they can at least accept that Ron Paul brings something valuable to the table in that regard. My dad is a pretty good case in point of this type of "Regular Republican." He'd tell you that the war in Afghanistan was a good idea, but that the war in Iraq was not. He'd tell you that laws against drugs are a good idea, but that they should be state level and should be softer on users. He'd agree with me that the Federal Reserve is wrong, is skeptical of the minimum wage, is willing to at least consider cuts on defense spending and reduction of foreign bases, believes in the 10th amendment, isn't a big fan of the TSA, NDAA, drone strikes, I'm not totally sure how he feels about the Patriot Act but I think he's probably leaning against it. The reason my dad voted for Romney is because he thought Obama was worse.

Now, my dad is probably a pretty good picture of the sorts of things that genuine conservatives are about, and many of the "Rank and File" Republicans would have political views similar to this. While not perfect, they do genuinely want to reduce the size of the government. When it comes to politics, guys like Virgil Goode, Jim DeMint, Rand Paul is probably somehwere in there too, although better at it than either of the aforementioned, and Chuck Baldwin is probably just on the edge of that box, although leaning in more of a Ron Paulesque direction than any of the others. Now, I'd agree with you that all of these guys would be better than the Democrats (This isn't a complete list either, just a few examples.) They aren't perfect, by any means, but they're generally on our side.

On the other hand, guys like Bohenner, Romney, Gingrich, exc. are NOT better than Obama and the like, if anything they're worse, and their certainly worse than "Better" Democrats like Dennis Kucinich or Barbara Lee (Lee in particular has a special place in my heart for being literally the only person that got the AUMF right, where even Ron Paul missed the mark, even though she was a crazy progressive on the economy and such). Romney, Gingrich, and the like are wolves in sheep's clothing. Democrats are wolves that dress like wolves. I'd rather deal with the ones who are easier to identify.

[Origanalist]

I think its hillarious that these baffoons would rather have the right to all of these things, yet not actually have any of them, rather than have no right to these things yet have them in abundance...

Ya, har, har......

(obligitory no offense intended)