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sailingaway
04-09-2013, 10:23 PM
http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/09/breaking-sources-confirm-senate-republicans-set-to-cave-on-guns/

Apparently they intend to play the 'I voted against the bill and only didn't vote against the bill when I actually could have stopped it procedurally' game, and pretend they believe we believe them.
Brett85
04-09-2013, 10:32 PM
Don't they actually have to get 60 votes twice in order to pass the bill, once on the motion to proceed to the bill and then again on the motion to end debate? Or is that incorrect?
Brian4Liberty
04-09-2013, 10:36 PM
Got a twitter account? Feel free to tweet...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?410707-Help-Mike-Lee-on-Twitter
sailingaway
04-09-2013, 10:54 PM
you can retweet this: https://twitter.com/usernamenuse/status/321848562931617792
Brett85
04-09-2013, 10:56 PM
Does anyone know whether this is going to be the first closure vote or the final closure vote?
TomtheTinker
04-09-2013, 11:08 PM
Fucking disgraceful.
sailingaway
04-09-2013, 11:47 PM
Does anyone know whether this is going to be the first closure vote or the final closure vote?

All I know is what is in the article. I'm assuming both.
itshappening
04-09-2013, 11:50 PM
Don't they actually have to get 60 votes twice in order to pass the bill, once on the motion to proceed to the bill and then again on the motion to end debate? Or is that incorrect?

Yes, Rand - or any senator - can insist on 60 votes at every stage i.e motion to proceed and final passage. He should also take to the floor and take over the debate. He should make points of order if there is any revenue origination on constitutional grounds because those bills cannot originate in the Senate.
sailingaway
04-09-2013, 11:53 PM
Yes, Rand - or any senator - can insist on 60 votes at every stage i.e motion to proceed and final passage. He should also take to the floor and take over the debate. He should make points of order if there is any revenue origination on constitutional grounds because those bills cannot originate in the Senate.

Didn't Stockman say he was going to blue slip the bill if it passed the Senate?

I guess we'll see
itshappening
04-10-2013, 12:01 AM
Didn't Stockman say he was going to blue slip the bill if it passed the Senate?

I guess we'll see

Yeah but the battle isnt with the House yet. We have to try and kill it in the Senate.

If anything passes then we have to work on Congress.