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sailingaway
04-07-2013, 12:49 AM
Man has undeclared $10,000 seized at border after exchange rate pushes him over limit to take from country


Robert Docherty of Maple Ridge, B.C., knew any amount over $10,000 must be declared at the border when taking it out of Canada, and he purposely counted and calculated the exchange rate so the $9,880 U.S. and $335 Canadian he was packing were within that limit.

By the time he was boarding his flight to Costa Rica at Toronto’s Pearson International Airport two days later, however, the value of the U.S. dollar had risen slightly, pushing his tally over the $10,000 mark.

After a currency detector dog uncovered the cash and Canada Border Services Agents checked the Bank of Canada exchange rate that day in 2010, all of it was seized as suspected proceeds of crime.

Mr. Docherty has now lost his bid to get any of the money back.

He represented himself in two levels of court without success. His complaint to the Federal Court of Canada prompted the judge to declare: “This is a case of a traveller sailing too close to the legal winds. But for greed, this applicant would not be in court.”

Mr. Docherty then turned to the Federal Court of Appeal.

He said the money was from an inheritance that he and his daughter used in their wild mushroom business, which handled transactions in cash, and he was using it to buy property abroad. He argued he wasn’t hiding the money, only purposely trying to stay below the reporting limit.

Further, he said, the government was biased toward him because he has a criminal conviction from 1993.

The government argued there are reasonable grounds to believe the money was criminal profit.

“Smuggling cash across international borders is a strong indicator that the funds are proceeds of crime,” the government argued; “$10,000 was a very high threshold; most people did not have, let alone carry, this amount.”

‘$10,000 was a very high threshold; most people did not have, let alone carry, this amount’

Not helping his case was the fact that Mr. Docherty had little in the way of business records to prove the origins of the cash.

“Individuals are free to arrange their affairs so as to leave the smallest possible financial footprint,” wrote Justice J.D. Denis Pelletier, on behalf of the panel of appellate judges, last week. “The disadvantage of doing so is that when a question arises as to the source of large amounts of cash found in their possession, they have very few means of establishing the legitimacy of those funds.

“In the context of the issues sought to be addressed by the act — money laundering and the financing of terrorism — the government is entitled to ask for a reasonable explanation of the source of currency in excess of the prescribed limit found on persons leaving Canada.

“In this case, Mr. Docherty’s explanations were unverifiable and, as such, amounted to no explanation at all,” the court ruled in dismissing his appeal.

Mr. Docherty could not be reached for comment.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/canada/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/02/man-has-undeclared-10000-seized-at-border-after-exchange-rate-pushes-him-over-limit-to-take-from-country

Keith and stuff
04-07-2013, 03:20 AM
The guy was crazy to represent himself. Also, bitcoins solve this problem.

KrokHead
04-07-2013, 05:19 AM
Worst day ever.

asurfaholic
04-07-2013, 05:34 AM
“In this case, Mr. Docherty’s explanations were unverifiable and, as such, amounted to no explanation at all,” the court ruled in dismissing his appeal.

Innocent until proven guilty means that Mr Docherty doesn't have to explain anything. YOU have to prove he is committing a criminal act.


And wth is up with $10,000 being a "very high threshold" for people to possess? Sure its a little stack of cash, but when the average income for a family in the states is 40-60k a year, that leaves ALOT of people who make a new 10k every month or several months. I think that 10k threshold is NOT high at all, and is actually very low. It should not be unusual to find someone who is carrying less than the average income. 10K is what? 1/4th of what someone makes a year? If we are going to name "thresholds" of suspect, I would say it might be unusual to find someone who carries 500% of what they make in cash. Or more.

But of course that is not the answer, because it would still lead to innocent people getting victimized by our gang of thugs in the government. We need to find a way to return to "Innocent UNTIL PROVEN Guilty."

tod evans
04-07-2013, 06:05 AM
Innocent until proven guilty means that Mr Docherty doesn't have to explain anything. YOU have to prove he is committing a criminal act.


Snicker.....

Umm, Comrade you're mistaken.

asurfaholic
04-07-2013, 06:07 AM
Snicker.....

Umm, Comrade you're mistaken.

Oops, sorry I slipped a little.

All your cash are belong to US. Even when it ...doesn't.

Neil Desmond
04-07-2013, 06:34 AM
Innocent until proven guilty means that Mr Docherty doesn't have to explain anything. YOU have to prove he is committing a criminal act.
Yeah, but this is something that happened in Canadia; apparently they don't believe in that.

Moral of the story is don't be Canadian or go there.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
04-07-2013, 06:50 AM
Yeah, but this is something that happened in Canadia; apparently they don't believe in that.

Moral of the story is don't be Canadian or go there.


They'd do the same thing in the US.

Acala
04-07-2013, 07:37 AM
Innocent until proven guilty means that Mr Docherty doesn't have to explain anything. YOU have to prove he is committing a criminal act.



He wasn't convicted of a criminal act. It was an asset forfeiture. The law provides that under certain circumstances assets can be forfeited with no criminal conviction of the owner of the assets. It is the law here in the USA as well. Asset forfeiture law REALLY sucks.

Neil Desmond
04-07-2013, 07:39 AM
They'd do the same thing in the US.
Has it actually happened here in the US?

angelatc
04-07-2013, 08:28 AM
Has it actually happened here in the US?


Has law enforcement ever seized large amounts of cash and refused to return it? You're kidding, right?

http://moneyseizure.com/


A U.S. government report showed that of 168 seizures approximately 95% of seized funds were forfeited to the government,


Often, these violations are a result of a passenger’s failure to complete mandatory currency reporting forms or errors made when filling out such forms. An innocent mistake can lead to a seizure of funds. Furthermore, Customs officials sometimes misinterpret currency seizure regulations.


U.S. seizures are almost always a surprise occurrence and may happen even when clients attempt to adhere to applicable laws and regulations.

tod evans
04-07-2013, 08:31 AM
Has it actually happened here in the US?

Rainbows-n-lollipops.....

MRK
04-07-2013, 08:33 AM
How dare he not use a government approved banking cartel to transfer his money!

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
04-07-2013, 08:35 AM
Has it actually happened here in the US?


Looks like Angela got that one for you. Not only will they seize money, they'll seize property, including cars, homes, whatever. It's been happening for many years.

tod evans
04-07-2013, 08:37 AM
How dare he not use a government approved, monitored and recorded, banking cartel to transfer his money!

FIFY

dannno
04-07-2013, 08:39 AM
After a currency detector dog uncovered the cash

Currency detector dog MY ASS. I almost guarantee they are lying, they use RFID in cash nowadays. They track cash through the mail, etc..

Bitcoin does not have RFID.

Although one way to get around the cash RFID situation, apparently, and ironically, is by covering it in tinfoil.

MRK
04-07-2013, 08:51 AM
Currency detector dog MY ASS. I almost guarantee they are lying, they use RFID in cash nowadays. They track cash through the mail, etc..

Bitcoin does not have RFID.

Although one way to get around the cash RFID situation, apparently, and ironically, is by covering it in tinfoil.

These rumors are true. Waves are hard to escape from a faraday cage. That being said, I am told it's hard to make 100% wave-blocking effectiveness of any faraday cage, so don't rely on it for mission-critical applications ;)

FSP-Rebel
04-07-2013, 09:01 AM
The guy was crazy to represent himself. Also, bitcoins solve this problem.
Yep and yep.