MSNBC Host Melissa Harris-Perry » All Your Kids Belong To Us

[CaseyJones]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qtpdSQox0&feature=youtu.be

[MRK]

How are you gentlemen!! All your base are belong to us. (http://www.scene.org/redhound/AYB.swf)

[pcosmar]

Collective notion ?

Humans are not ants,, or bees,, or Borg.


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[MRK]

Collective notion ?

Humans are not ants,, or bees,, or Borg.



You have no chance to survive make your time.

[GOP]

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[heavenlyboy34]

Meh. Pretty common belief among the hoi polloi. Hence notions of "debt to society", "public goods", etc. There were people in a circumcision thread of some sort on this very forum of all places the other day arguing that kids are property of their parents. :eek: :(

[Cowlesy]

It makes sense that she has a nationally televised show on MS-NBC and showered with cash for her opinions.

[Brian4Liberty]

Marxist.

So she says that her kids are my kids? I guess they better get over here and take out the trash and mow the lawn.

[pcosmar]

Meh. Pretty common belief among the hoi polloi. (

Actually it has long been the belief of the Elitists. Royalty, Rulers and Social planners.
Less so among the common man. (though the infection is spreading)

[MRK]

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[MRK]

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This is exactly what I was hoping to see! That's great haha +++++

[mad cow]

It Takes A Village...

[BAllen]

Marxist.

So she says that her kids are my kids? I guess they better get over here and take out the trash and mow the lawn.

Of course. They claim to be the 'tolerant' ones. In reality, they're the most intolerant, self-righteous ego maniacs on the planet. My brother and his wife knew someone who's Hummer got vandalized. Their reaction? They deserved it. They have no right to spend their money that way.

[Christian Liberty]

Meh. Pretty common belief among the hoi polloi. Hence notions of "debt to society", "public goods", etc. There were people in a circumcision thread of some sort on this very forum of all places the other day arguing that kids are property of their parents. :eek: :(

Didn't you already agree with this when you said that parents should be allowed to have the power of life and death over their kids? Or was that ChristianAnarchist? I can't remember for sure...

[Origanalist]

Back off bitch, tend to your own kids and leave everybody elses alone.

[LatinsforPaul]

Scariest commercial I have ever seen. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Beorn]

She's right that children are the responsibility of both the parents and the community, but I don't know what the hell DC has to do with that.

[seyferjm]

Scariest commercial I have ever seen. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

It really is.

[Origanalist]

She's right that children are the responsibility of both the parents and the community, but I don't know what the hell DC has to do with that.

No, she's not. Nothing makes parenting harder than some busybody asshole sticking their nose where it doesn't belong.

[Inkblots]

Yes, lamentable collectivism and all that, but one expects such things from MSNBC. The really risible notion is that we've "never invested as much in public education as we should have." Anyone who makes such a claim is ignorant or a liar (again, this being MSNBC, I'd suppose it would be a case of invincible ignorance).

The idea that education would improve if only we gave school districts unlimited resources was tested to destruction during the Kansas City Public School Desegregation Order (http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-298.html) of 1985-1995. During this time, a Federal judge forced the state of Missouri to give the Kansas City Public School (KCPS) district over $2 billion above its baseline funding formula and imposed additional property taxes to raise an additional $600 million dollars from the local community.

At the height of the case, KCPS was spending over $20,000 (2013-inflation adjusted) per student -- more than many elite private schools -- and had a student-teacher ratio of 12:1 -- again, better than most private schools. The district went on a building frenzy: 15 new schools and full renovations of 54 others. $25,000 (!) worth of "enrichment" items for every elementary classroom -- activity items, mind you, this didn't include textbooks and erasers. The number of administrators exploded even more than the teaching staffs, of course, and corruption and skimming off the top was rampant. The Teachers' Union's ship had finally come in! 44% of the elementary and secondary education budget of the state of Missouri was going to the 9% of the state's students who lived in Kansas City.

Guess what happened to educational outcomes? They didn't budge one bit. In fact, black students' standardized test scores, the entire cause of the Court seizing control of the State education budget to begin with, FELL slightly versus the national average.

Almost no one outside of Missouri remembers this case, and it's no wonder why. The teacher's unions were desperate to stuff it down the memory hole, because it showed everyone as clear as day they're full of s**t when they complain that we don't fund education enough for them to succeed. The real tragedy is that they succeeded.

Great, now I'm all angry. Thanks a lot, OP.

[Beorn]

No, she's not. Nothing makes parenting harder than some busybody asshole sticking their nose where it doesn't belong.

People who live in a community have affirmative duties to eachother... Ya'know like "love thy neighbor."

[Origanalist]

People who live in a community have affirmative duties to eachother... Ya'know like "love thy neighbor."

As long as it's limited to keeping an eye out for their safety and not butting into how they raise their kids I'm fine with that.

[Beorn]

As long as it's limited to keeping an eye out for their safety and not butting into how they raise their kids I'm fine with that.

That's all I was saying.

[Origanalist]

That's all I was saying.

Sorry, I get a little touchy on this subject as you can see.

[Carson]

Regardless of how we feel, she could be right.

Not only do they own the minds and souls of the children but also many of their parents. Check out the comments in this thread on Fark. Everyone seems to think socialism is the way to go.

School inadvertently teaches kids how capitalism works in the real world. Now everyone is pissed off about it

Comments;

http://www.fark.com/comments/7683603/School-inadvertently-teaches-kids-how-capitalism-works-in-real-world-Now-everyone-is-pissed-off-about-it

[economics102]

Lean Fascist.

[Beorn]

Sorry, I get a little touchy on this subject as you can see.

It's the most insidious lies that have a grain of truth.

[sailingaway]

From twitter:

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[RockEnds]

Almost no one outside of Missouri remembers this case, and it's no wonder why.

I lived in KC during the first few years of that, and I had completely forgotten about it until you mentioned it. My oldest babies were being born. I didn't have to worry about sending them to school yet. I do remember it being quite a fuss, though.

[James Madison]

Everyone in this thread is clearly a racist.

Reported.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Lean Fascist.Cultural Marxism shit from MSNBC/NBC 'FOWARD' propaganda. We know this gameplan
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[heavenlyboy34]

Didn't you already agree with this when you said that parents should be allowed to have the power of life and death over their kids? Or was that ChristianAnarchist? I can't remember for sure...
No sir. I've seen the "evictionist" argument advanced around here too, but I didn't use it. I've consistently maintained that children are self-owners and parents are caretakers. Having the "right" to kill one's children implies an owner-property relationship between parent and child, which I reject.

[heavenlyboy34]

Everyone in this thread is clearly a racist.

Reported.
Shit, I've been reported a few dozen times, I reckon...yet still TPTB haven't done anything to me (unless it's so sneaky and stealthy I didn't even know it... :eek: )

[bunklocoempire]

My mom and dad when I was growing up:

"Well you're not somebody else's kid, you're mine! I'm responsible for you and you'll do as I say!"

[James Madison]

Shit, I've been reported a few dozen times, I reckon...yet still TPTB haven't done anything to me (unless it's so sneaky and stealthy I didn't even know it... :eek: )

You have already been assimilated into the Borg. Welcome to the machine, komrade.

[Sola_Fide]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qtpdSQox0&feature=youtu.be

One of the most basic rejections of Christian theism is the rejection of the family. This why atomistic atheistic anarchism will always lead back to statism. When God's supernatural court is denied, man's earthly court becomes the standard of all things. Atheistic man's calling box thus necessarily becomes the collective, the state.

Atheism cannot sustain a free culture, no matter how you dress it up with the language of freedom. To deny the family order is to usher in the state as the all-encompassing order.

[enjerth]

I'm sure they'll try to convince me that their concern for my children is equal to my own, as they send my kids to die in their wars.

[devil21]

Regardless of how we feel, she could be right.

Not only do they own the minds and souls of the children but also many of their parents. Check out the comments in this thread on Fark. Everyone seems to think socialism is the way to go.

School inadvertently teaches kids how capitalism works in the real world. Now everyone is pissed off about it

Comments;

http://www.fark.com/comments/7683603/School-inadvertently-teaches-kids-how-capitalism-works-in-real-world-Now-everyone-is-pissed-off-about-it

My kid was so ahead of her time. In elementary school about 8 years ago she would throw away her homemade lunch and go into the cafeteria line to get the day's tasty greasy crappy lunch item instead. She would get the food and a hand stamp that said "I need lunch money". I got presented with the bill later, along with scrutiny from certain douches from CPS over my failure to give my daughter "lunch money".

Look out world. A tall, blond, very pretty and knife-edged witted young woman is about to be unleashed on this world. omg

[Keith and stuff]

Her argument is completely wrong. Towns and cities in the US spend much more on government education of kids than almost everywhere else in the world. It is over $17,000 per year per child for 13+ years. I wouldn't be surprised if that was twice as high as most of the developed world.

[A Son of Liberty]

I own a piece of property in a neighboring state on which we hope to build soon. I called the Board of Education in my current location to inquire as to the cost to continue sending my child to the school he was attending at the time. I was told that "out-of-state" tuition would cost $12,000/year. The next school year, we withdrew our child from the public elementary school and sent him to a decent, small, private Christian school... for approximately $4,000/year. The children are all better behaved. The school is in a better area. The teachers are noticeably better, with a more advantageous student to teacher ratio, and our particular morals, generally speaking, are taught on a daily basis. Now, of course we're not given a credit from the local BoE for the amount we pay to educate our child, but the added expense is well, well worth it.

[A Son of Liberty]

Her argument is completely wrong. Towns and cities in the US spend much more on government education of kids than almost everywhere else in the world. It is over $17,000 per year per child for 13+ years. I wouldn't be surprised if that was twice as high as most of the developed world.

In this world, it doesn't matter if it's wrong. Just repeat the lie often enough.

I'm certain we're already living in the zombie apocalypse.

[abacabb]

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[osan]

She certainly has a charming little lisp but does she have children?

If so, I wonder how she would feel if one day she came home and they were gone, a note in their place reading, "we do not approve how you are raising our children. We have therefore decided to replace their parentage with someone in better alignment with our standards. Have a nice day. Sincerely, your Community"

The attitude she displays - the "values" that underlie it - are nearing ubiquity. If a super-majority come to adopt beliefs of sufficient similarity, and that is a foregone conclusion unless we stop this now, the rest will be consumed in the torrent of democracy that will sweep them and their rights into the seas never to be seen or heard from again.

Those who express such ideas should strike immediate concern in the hearts of all freedom-loving people. Today, that concern should be creeping toward open fear. This is no game folks. They will take your children from you - they ARE taking them - and mold them in the desired images of the dully uniform and compliant drone whose avenues of trained thought are shockingly narrow. This is already being done and it will tighten with ever stingier focus with the generations. Just try to imagine what this is all going to look like in another 20 years - shoot, another 10.

Hell has been unleashed upon the face of creation and most people are not even dimly aware of it.

Time is here. What's it going to be?

[osan]

Actually it has long been the belief of the Elitists. Royalty, Rulers and Social planners.
Less so among the common man. (though the infection is spreading)


Not much less, so far as my readings indicate. Divine right of kings, royal divinity itself... all long held tenets of Empire. People may not have liked it, but having known nothing else due to endless generations having been raised up in the same false system of beliefs, they accepted it as true. The spread of Christianity through Europe did precious little to change this for many centuries because the evil See was in bed with most of the kings. There was a two-branch system of government that included the executive (king) and the ecclesiastic. Kings shared power because in exchange the church went along with the blatant but very handy nonsense that God hisownself divined the king and his dynasty to rule. The church managed the psychology of population while the kings managed the rest. It worked out very neatly until some bozos started questioning the status quo. The church attempted to stem the tide of change by directing the butchers this way and that, but we all know that ideas are more powerful than the sword and spread more rapidly than does light cross the interval.

People appear to think the totalitarian visions of "1984" are some recent conception of modern day authors. Wrong-0: it has been operating for thousands of years. Indoctrination of the children in empire societies to all manner of monobloc collectivist nonsense convenient to the ruling mobsters' designs has been going on since we began writing things down. This had to be the way in order for empire to survive, much less grow, and far less than that to flourish. Nothing of this sort can be evidenced in so-called "primitive" tribal groups. Those tribes where such can be witnessed also displayed the characteristics of forced collectivism and often conquest of its neighbors. Grass huts do not a free society make.

The Elite sustained huge losses during the 19th century, but they were fast to realize the nature of Their predicament and were smart enough to adapt. The 20th century was for Them a huge effort in learning and I must say that overall They invested Their resources with profound sagacity. They took the lemons dealt Them and made such lemonade as the world has never before tasted and we are drinking deeply of it with little concern for that faint hint of electricity on our tongues. They are not nailing the lid shut on our wooden coffins. They are welding to full penetration the lid on our 24" thick armored sarcophagus. Science and technology have been Their saviors and most of us appear to be eager to go along for the ride.


As for those of us not interested...

[osan]

Of course. They claim to be the 'tolerant' ones. In reality, they're the most intolerant, self-righteous ego maniacs on the planet. My brother and his wife knew someone who's Hummer got vandalized. Their reaction? They deserved it. They have no right to spend their money that way.

Have you considered beating your brother and his wife with an iron bar? It appears they are in sore need of The Lesson.

Just a thought. And I agree strongly with the rest of what you wrote. It is on the money. They have zero tolerance for even the mildest diversion from the strict party line. More than even the Israelis do they subscribe to the notion of "you are either for me or against me," leaving one no alternative but to be involved. Could anything be more collectivist and more sternly set against the individual than this?

[osan]

She's right that children are the responsibility of both the parents and the community, but I don't know what the hell DC has to do with that.

Depends on the defined metes and bounds of "responsibility" as it applies to community, as well as the definition of "community" itself.

You offer no definitions. Therefore, your statement is devoid of meaning.

Would you care to elaborate that your assertions may become clear?

[osan]

People who live in a community have affirmative duties to eachother... Ya'know like "love thy neighbor."

Dead wrong. Utterly, unfathomably wrong. Our duties to each other are strictly negative. Keep your mitts off each other - violate not thy fellow. That is the extent of the moral duty to others.

You clearly jones for education. See top link in sig, read, learn, and sin no more.

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Those who express such ideas should strike immediate concern in the hearts of all freedom-loving people. Today, that concern should be creeping toward open fear.


Fear is used against people. They want you to fear, as that is their main control mechanism. That concern should manifest itself in open defiance and resistance, without fear.

[A Son of Liberty]

http://www.ronpaulcurriculum.com/

[Occam's Banana]

http://www.ronpaulcurriculum.com/

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[PaulConventionWV]

She's right that children are the responsibility of both the parents and the community, but I don't know what the hell DC has to do with that.

Wrong. Children can belong to either their parents or themselves. Either way, though, the community has no right to interfere in any way, shape, or form.

[PaulConventionWV]

Dead wrong. Utterly, unfathomably wrong. Our duties to each other are strictly negative. Keep your mitts off each other - violate not thy fellow. That is the extent of the moral duty to others.

You clearly jones for education. See top link in sig, read, learn, and sin no more.

Let's separate the moral duty from the societal obligation. Who are you to say that nobody should help their neighbors? Wouldn't that imply that your idea of morality is superior to those who disagree? On what basis can you say that your morality is better and that nobody is morally obligated?

On the other hand, you are right if you claim that nobody has the social obligation to help their neighbors. However, if the popular thing is to help your neighbor and everyone believes that is the moral thing to do, those who do not will be looked down upon. Your fallacy is saying that nobody could possibly be morally obligated to help their neighbor. And here I was thinking that it was a good thing to help your neighbor! Doesn't that mean it is moral to do so?

Or are you simply implying that nobody is socially obligated to do so under the threat of recourse for not helping? That I would agree with.

[A Son of Liberty]

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Just finished enrolling my child.

The rEVOLution continues. :D

[Occam's Banana]

Just finished enrolling my child.

The rEVOLution continues. :D

Makes me wish I had children ... just so I could enroll them in this.

Looking forward over the long term, if this takes off it could have a serious impact.

[A Son of Liberty]

Makes me wish I had children ... just so I could enroll them in this.

Looking forward over the long term, if this takes off it could have a serious impact.

I'm extremely excited about it! As you know, I've been a strong advocate of the "education" approach to the liberty movement; my consideration, however, was with regard to the electorate. Ron, as usual, has taken it to the root - to the child.

This is where it's at, in my opinion. I'm a trained teacher - I have a Master's, actually. I'm considering contacting Tom/Gary and seeing if there is something I can do to help.

[Origanalist]

I'm extremely excited about it! As you know, I've been a strong advocate of the "education" approach to the liberty movement; my consideration, however, was with regard to the electorate. Ron, as usual, has taken it to the root - to the child.

This is where it's at, in my opinion. I'm a trained teacher - I have a Master's, actually. I'm considering contacting Tom/Gary and seeing if there is something I can do to help.

Well shit....You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to A Son of Liberty again.

This is probably the ONLY thing that has a chance in hell of turning this country back around. If we don't stop letting the kids be indoctrinated by the state all is lost. I hope it's not too late.

[QuickZ06]

The comments are priceless on youtube.