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enhanced_deficit
04-06-2013, 01:20 PM
These photos were shown to not some ordinary people but US senators including Senator Saxby Chambliss, R-Georgia, the top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/04/senators-misled-by-likely-fake-bin-laden-photos/

Peace Piper
04-06-2013, 01:28 PM
The Guardian UK reported on fake death photos- if that's what you're referring to

Osama bin Laden corpse photo is fake
Image of bloodied man picked up by British newspapers has been circulating online for two years

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/5/2/1304329535701/An-image-purporting-to-sh-004.jpg
An image purporting to show Osama bin Laden's bloody corpse, right, is a composite of two separate images, left and centre. Photograph: twitpic

An image apparently showing a dead Osama bin Laden broadcast on Pakistani television and picked up by British newspaper websites is a fake.

The bloodied image of a man with matted hair and a blank, half-opened eye has been circulating on the internet for the past two years. It was used on the front pages of the Mail, Times, Telegraph, Sun and Mirror websites, though swiftly removed after the fake was exposed on Twitter.

It appears the fake picture was initially published by the Middle East online newspaper themedialine.org on 29 April 2009, with a warning from the editor that it was "unable to ascertain whether the photo is genuine or not"

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/5/2/1304333997389/Daily-Mail-publishes-fake-001.jpg
The Daily Mail was one of the newspaper websites to publish the fake picture of Osama bin Laden's body.

Since then, however, the image has been claimed as genuine on a number of conspiracy forums and used to substantiate claims that the terrorist responsible for the 9/11 bombings had been killed.

The Guardian was one of the few sites to hold back from using the manipulated image on its front page, reporting the picture's existence in its live blog but questioning its legitimacy.

The image is based on a genuine photograph of Bin Laden taken in 1998 and used by the Reuters news agency.

A composite including the other photograph used to make the image was quickly posted on Twitter, and a number of users showed how easy it was to find the image already online with a simple search.

• This article was amended on 3 May 2011. The username of a Tweeter was deleted from the final sentence of the piece and a link to the composite removed as the image was no longer available on Twitter.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-photo-fake

enhanced_deficit
04-06-2013, 01:55 PM
The Guardian UK reported on fake death photos- if that's what you're referring to

Osama bin Laden corpse photo is fake

It appears the fake picture was initially published by the Middle East online newspaper themedialine.org on 29 April 2009, with a warning from the editor that it was "unable to ascertain whether the photo is genuine or not"



Thank you for the additional info.
Will check if US media did at least as much homework as UK's Guardian. In quick look up of the reported initial source of these photos, found this:


Felice Friedson
President & CEO at Media-Line

Israel
Broadcast Media

http://il.linkedin.com/pub/felice-friedson/34/7a/762

Why US media could not have done at least this much digging to get to source of these photos that fooled top US senators is still puzzling.

Anti Federalist
04-06-2013, 05:11 PM
Why US media could not have done at least this much digging to get to source of these photos that fooled top US senators is still puzzling.

Puzzling?

The US media is a wholly owned government organ.

Pravda is more "free" than your average US media source.

enhanced_deficit
04-06-2013, 05:27 PM
Puzzling?

The US media is a wholly owned government organ.

Pravda is more "free" than your average US media source.

I hope you're wrong but I'm afraid you may not be.

enhanced_deficit
04-20-2013, 03:57 AM
Luckily in case of Boston, senators/media and public are going by vids and not photos. Vids cannot be faked apparently.

WhistlinDave
04-20-2013, 04:32 AM
Luckily in case of Boston, senators/media and public are going by vids and not photos. Vids cannot be faked apparently.

They just take more time and more skill to fake. But videos can be faked as well, happens all the time. If I were a betting man though I'd bet we will never see video of one of the official suspects in the act of placing a bomb. Easier to just not produce it and assure everyone they have it. (Because experts can usually spot when videos have been altered or dummied up.)

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I'm even wrong about them placing a bomb... Maybe they did do it. Although if they did, that doesn't necessarily prove they knew they were placing a real bomb when they did it, either. For all we know, these guys were hired to take part in the "drill" going on and were duped into carrying and placing real bombs supplied by the good old you-know-who. We just don't know and may never know. (I do think we are going to continue to find out more things though... I think the truth will be known eventually, whatever it is.)

WhistlinDave
04-20-2013, 04:33 AM
Oh... Was that sarcasm? Sorry, just realized it probably was.

ClydeCoulter
04-20-2013, 05:01 AM
Luckily in case of Boston, senators/media and public are going by vids and not photos. Vids cannot be faked apparently.

You haven't seen Jurassic Park or many other videos where impossible things are shown?

I have a video of 2 of myself playing guitars and singing with each other in front of a barn that did not exist (torn down years before) and birds flying overhead and the clouds moving, and every bit of it is fake (except me and my guitars :) )

edit: Tools like Vegas Video, which is what I used, allows all kinds of edits to be done and it's not that difficult. It's amazing what can be done with software, sometimes.

Warrior_of_Freedom
04-20-2013, 05:02 AM
source: photoshop

KrokHead
04-20-2013, 05:28 AM
The Poster Child
http://media.bestofmicro.com/obama-white-house-osama-mission,F-A-290854-13.jpg

What REALLY happened:
http://www.thinkhero.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ImageoftheDayHeroes050911-thumb-550x363-62061.jpg

jonhowe
04-20-2013, 06:33 AM
Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe I'm even wrong about them placing a bomb... Maybe they did do it. Although if they did, that doesn't necessarily prove they knew they were placing a real bomb when they did it, either. For all we know, these guys were hired to take part in the "drill" going on and were duped into carrying and placing real bombs supplied by the good old you-know-who. We just don't know and may never know. (I do think we are going to continue to find out more things though... I think the truth will be known eventually, whatever it is.)

THey seemed pretty calm in the stills from after the explosion... I think they knew...

enhanced_deficit
04-20-2013, 11:59 AM
Thanks all for explanations, I was trying to err on the side of questioning rather than blindly believing whatever is being churned out by media so far.

enhanced_deficit
05-23-2013, 12:53 PM
Latest on this.


Court rules bin Laden death photos can stay secret
WASHINGTON | Tue May 21, 2013 11:36am EDT


n an unsigned opinion, the appeals court accepted an assertion from President Barack Obama's administration that the images are so potent that releasing them could cause riots that would put Americans abroad at risk.

"It is undisputed that the government is withholding the images not to shield wrongdoing or avoid embarrassment, but rather to prevent the killing of Americans and violence against American interests," the opinion said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/21/us-usa-courts-binladen-idUSBRE94K0MZ20130521

By this logic, will US courts now start banning all things that could increase threats to US troops abroad?

Obama's puppet masters logic is weird on most things and not just on waterboarding/drone killing gigantic contradictions.

Ender
05-23-2013, 12:59 PM
Why didn't they report the fake vids several years ago- or maybe even the fact that OBL died in 2001?

enhanced_deficit
05-24-2013, 09:47 PM
Good question Ender. Some of later OBL vids released by Bush handlers during Iraqi freedom march looked very fake.

There is no spoon.

RickyJ
05-24-2013, 09:51 PM
You know the answer to your question already. I think we all do, at least the ones around here capable of independent thought.

enhanced_deficit
05-24-2013, 09:59 PM
Yes, but sometimes its reassuring to hear others state it :)

juleswin
05-24-2013, 10:07 PM
And what would you say about fake OBL videos?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUiNiB2yVCQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=L06lMsF4LJQ&NR=1

enhanced_deficit
05-24-2013, 10:14 PM
Good find juleswin. That's the one.

enhanced_deficit
09-27-2013, 06:15 PM
Generally speaking, is plant's credibility intact, damaged or on the line ?




(http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/09/obama-on-syria-my-credibility-is-not-on-the-line/)
Obama on Syria: 'My Credibility Is Not on the Line' (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/09/obama-on-syria-my-credibility-is-not-on-the-line/)ABC News (blog)-by Jonathan Karl-Sep 4, 2013

STOCKHOLM — A defiant President Obama declared his credibility was not on the line when it came to Syria. Instead, he said, it was the ...

CPUd
09-27-2013, 07:33 PM
http://i.minus.com/ibag1Zrgq6GY2S.gif

enhanced_deficit
11-19-2013, 06:28 PM
And what would you say about fake OBL videos?


It is hard to fake a video though.

jkob
11-19-2013, 06:36 PM
To be honest that picture is pretty obviously fake, like not remotely passable to anyone that seen any photoshops.

dannno
11-19-2013, 07:41 PM
It is hard to fake a video though.

Apparently it is not as long as the media tows the line and doesn't ask any questions.

enhanced_deficit
11-20-2013, 01:44 AM
Apparently it is not as long as the media tows the line and doesn't ask any questions.

That sounds right.

erowe1
11-20-2013, 06:51 AM
If I understand the OP correctly, its premise is that the explanation for not reporting the source of the fake pic is that there is freedom of the press. I don't get that premise.

enhanced_deficit
08-25-2014, 07:03 AM
James Foley execution video may have been fakedhttp://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/396186/James-Foley-ISIS-execution-faked

enhanced_deficit
02-21-2015, 01:19 PM
Credit goes to ex Israeli sodier who runs "SITE", this looks real.

http://i.usatoday.net/news/_photos/2007/09/06/imagex-large.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&docid=7c2ttI4b9vM5kM&tbnid=eE7KwoLodC1FSM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fu2r2h-documents.blogspot.com%2F2007%2F09%2F2007-osama-bin-laden-video-watch-it.html&ei=s1sKVN_VBc2VgwS2y4KoAg&bvm=bv.74649129,d.eXY&psig=AFQjCNE3xcsrsVrWZ9ZDryPMs33stmHn5Q&ust=1410051368485783)


First release of ISIS execution video came from an ex Israeli soldier Rita Katz (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?459290-First-release-of-ISIS-execution-video-came-from-an-ex-Israeli-soldier-Rita-Katz&)

enhanced_deficit
05-11-2015, 04:10 PM
Monday, May 11, 2015 09:51 AM EST

Everything we know about the death of Osama Bin Laden is wrong (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?474449-Based-on-Hersh-article-Obama-lied-about-Osama&p=5867550&viewfull=1#post5867550)

RickyJ
05-11-2015, 04:16 PM
Puzzling?

The US media is a wholly owned government organ.

Pravda is more "free" than your average US media source.

It is more like the same people who control the government control most of the media. The government doesn't own the media, but its controllers do.

pcosmar
05-11-2015, 04:20 PM
Thanks all for explanations, I was trying to err on the side of questioning rather than blindly believing whatever is being churned out by media so far.

Questioning?

I just start with the assumption that they are lying.. then figure out the extent.

enhanced_deficit
05-12-2015, 12:27 PM
Perhaps I should start with same assumption when reading meadi headlines and then wait till all the facts come out.. which would be a long wait many times.

Occam's Banana
05-12-2015, 06:13 PM
What REALLY happened: http://www.thinkhero.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ImageoftheDayHeroes050911-thumb-550x363-62061.jpg DC & Marvel together like that? No way, man! That's got to be fake.

Next thing, you'll be telling me that Democrats and Republicans are really on the same side ...