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HOLLYWOOD
04-04-2013, 08:53 PM
I presume, 'they (US/State .Govs) hate you because you're poor, so off you go to 'Debtors Prison'... But it was a legal relic which was abolished in this country in the 1830s.

As economy flails, debtors' prisons thrive
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505143_162-57577994/as-economy-flails-debtors-prisons-thrive/

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(MoneyWatch) Thousands of Americans are sent to jail not for committing a crime, but because they can't afford to pay for traffic tickets, medical bills and court fees.

If that sounds like a debtors' prison, a legal relic which was abolished in this country in the 1830s, that's because it is. And courts and judges in states across the land are violating the Constitution by incarcerating people for being unable to pay such debts.
Ask Jack Dawley, 55, an unemployed man in Ohio who between 2007 and 2012 spent a total of 16 days in jail in a Huron County lock-up for failing to pay roughly $1,500 in legal fines he'd incurred in the 1990s. The fines stemmed from Dawley's convictions for driving under the influence and other offenses. After his release from a Wisconsin correctional facility, Dawley, who admits he had struggled with drugs and alcohol, got clean. But if he put his substance problems behind him, Dawley's couldn't outrun his debts.

Struggling to find a job and dealing with the effects of a back injury, he fell behind on repayments to the municipal court in Norwalk, Ohio. He was arrested six years ago and sent to jail for not paying his original court fines. Although Dawley was put on a monthly payment plan, during his latest stint behind bars in 2012 the court ordered him to pay off his entire remaining debt.

" I called my brother, and they told him I have to pay off the whole fine in order for me to get out," he said. "That was $900. So I sat my whole 10 days [in jail.]"
Such stories are by no means unusual. Rather, they reflect a justice system that in effect criminalizes poverty. "It's a growing problem nationally, particularly because of the economic crisis," said Inimai Chettiar, director of the justice program at New York University School of Law's Brennan Center for Justice.
Roughly a third of U.S. states today jail people for not paying off their debts, from court-related fines and fees to credit card and car loans, according to the American Civil Liberties Union. Such practices contravene a 1983 United States Supreme Court ruling that they violate the Constitutions's Equal Protection Clause.

Some states apply "poverty penalties," such as late fees, payment plan fees and interest, when people are unable to pay all their debts at once. Alabama charges a 30 percent collection fee, for instance, while Florida allows private debt collectors to add a 40 percent surcharge on the original debt. Some Florida counties also use so-called collection courts, where debtors can be jailed but have no right to a public defender. In North Carolina, people are charged for using a public defender, so poor defendants who can't afford such costs may be forced to forgo legal counsel.
The high rates of unemployment and government fiscal shortfalls that followed the housing crash have increased the use of debtors' prisons, as states look for ways to replenish their coffers. Said Chettiar, "It's like drawing blood from a stone. States are trying to increase their revenue on the backs of the poor."
In Dawley's home state of Ohio, the local chapter of the ACLU announced today that it had found conclusive evidence of such polices in 7 of 11 counties in the state that it examined over the course of a year-long investigation. Although debtors' prisons are unconstitutional and prohibited by Ohio law, poor defendants are routinely jailed for failing to pay court fines, the group said in a report. (http://www.acluohio.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/TheOutskirtsOfHope2013_04.pdf)
Municipal and so-called mayors' courts -- Ohio is one of two states in the U.S. where mayors can administer the law, even if they aren't licensed attorneys -- also commonly do not give defendants like Dawley a hearing or inform them of their rights to counsel, as required by law.
"They didn't give you the opportunity to say you couldn't pay," Dawley said of his time in court. "They just gave out 10 day sentences.... There was nothing about your finances. Either you plead guilty, not guilty or no contest. They give you a jail date and put you on a payment plan, and if you don't make the payment plan you're going to jail."
In so doing, courts fail to make a crucial distinction between defendants who have the means to pay their debts but refuse to do so, and those who are too poor to repay. That failure derives in large part from the lack of a consistent legal standard for determining willful nonpayment of such debts. As a result, while a judge in one state may take into account that a person on food stamps is financially unable to pay court costs, a judge across the state line might sentence that same individual to 10 days in the clink.

"If you don't have resources for an attorney or can't afford other fees associated with court, you get a different brand of justice," said Mike Brickner, director of communications and public policy at the ACLU of Ohio, noting that such practices are "rampant" in the state. "And with the economic downturn over the last 10 years, we've seen an increase and resurgence in debtors' prisons."
In another case the group uncovered in Ohio, a mother of three was imprisoned for 10 days for failing to pay $540 in fines and costs related to a conviction for driving with a suspended license. And as in other cases where the indigent are jailed, taxpayers ended up footing part of the bill. The total cost of arresting and incarcerating her amounted to nearly $1,000. (For more details on the case, see the following interview of the woman, Megan Sharp, by the ACLU of Ohio.)

The final tab for the county? A loss of some $930, ACLU of Ohio found. "If someone who can't pay is incarcerated, it ends up costing the state more because it costs more to put them in prison than what they originally owed," Chettiar said.
Jail time can also accelerate a downward spiral for the debtor, because additional court costs are piled on top of their previous debts. That makes repayment even harder, and the cycle continues.

Some cities, meanwhile, have joined states in reviving the use of debtors' prisons. Philadelphia courts in 2011 sought to collect on court-related debt from 320,000 people, involving obligations they owed dating back to the 1970s.

Some judges have had enough. An Alabama circuit court judge last year rebuked a municipal court and private probation company for incarcerating people over their criminal justice debt, calling the arrangement a "judicially sanctioned extortion racket."

Yet such critiques are insufficient to finally lock the gates on debtors' prisons, according to experts. Perhaps most important, poor defendants should be exempt from court fees and fines, while repayment plans should be set according to people's ability to repay a debt, the Brennan Center said in a recent report. States also must have clear written standards for determining a person's ability to pay. Fees for public defenders should be eliminated.

As for Dawley, who said the local court has relented in recent months in locking up people like him as public scrutiny of the issue has grown, he doesn't expect to return to jail. He is now looking for a job. "I'd like to get some retail work," he said.

kcchiefs6465
04-04-2013, 08:59 PM
Not knocking the thread but I thought this was common knowledge. I didn't know a Supreme Court ruling declared it unconstitutional. A good portion of those in jail in Ohio are because of unpaid fines and court costs. It's a gimme for most people there to owe money to the court and they always run your name to make sure. I thought it was $35 per day is taken off your fines. I would not be surprised one bit if 30 percent of the people in county jails are because of unpaid fines and unpaid court costs. It is seriously that prevelant.

They often times do amnesty days and/or force you to do community service. It's a big damn racket, that's for sure.

Anti Federalist
04-04-2013, 09:47 PM
Foolish Mundane.

Who else are we going to fill the prisons with, to make the widgets for the police/surveillance/military state?

And now that the banksters have created the all seeing credit dossier, that they then sell to the corpotacracy, if you have bills to pay that are late, you can just forget about getting a job to pay your bills that are late, because you have...late, unpaid bills.

Acala
04-04-2013, 10:38 PM
What is being described here is not really debtor's prison. It is contempt of a court order. Undoubtedly abused, but let's take a ferinstance.

Suppose a person is driving drunk, runs a red light, and smashes into my car doing $5000 in damage. The court orders him to make restitution to me in the amount of $5000. He says screw you all. Now what?

osan
04-05-2013, 07:23 AM
What is being described here is not really debtor's prison. It is contempt of a court order. Undoubtedly abused, but let's take a ferinstance.

Suppose a person is driving drunk, runs a red light, and smashes into my car doing $5000 in damage. The court orders him to make restitution to me in the amount of $5000. He says screw you all. Now what?

You corner him in a very dark alley and introduce him to your iron bar.

See how simple? And no police state intervention required.

tod evans
04-05-2013, 07:26 AM
This article overlooks the thousands of people locked up over "family court" issues...

Luciconsort
04-05-2013, 07:39 AM
This article overlooks the thousands of people locked up over "family court" issues...

I did 30 days for DUI many moons ago, and I did it in a VOP (violation of probation)center cause the other one was full lol imagine that... anyway besides me and 1 other guy in for DUI, every single person in there with me was in for "family court" issues.... mainly child support.

phill4paul
04-05-2013, 07:50 AM
What is being described here is not really debtor's prison. It is contempt of a court order. Undoubtedly abused, but let's take a ferinstance.

Suppose a person is driving drunk, runs a red light, and smashes into my car doing $5000 in damage. The court orders him to make restitution to me in the amount of $5000. He says screw you all. Now what?

Asset seizure. Bank account. Property. Wages. Until paid.

AlexAmore
04-05-2013, 08:03 AM
I'm all for debtors prison. Our government is 16 trillion in debt, we'll start there.

HOLLYWOOD
04-05-2013, 08:21 AM
What is being described here is not really debtor's prison. It is contempt of a court order. Undoubtedly abused, but let's take a ferinstance.

Suppose a person is driving drunk, runs a red light, and smashes into my car doing $5000 in damage. The court orders him to make restitution to me in the amount of $5000. He says screw you all. Now what?I understand those that refuse to pay, but the fines and courts costs(another .gov scam) for people who cannot afford to pay some of these ridiculous fines/penalties. Then there's the government sentencing of cruel and unusual punishment for such trivial infractions. There was a recent article yesterday on US Senator Chuck Schumer pissing off liberals with his close ties to the Prison lobby. Prison Industrial Complex is a known problem in this country with it's close ties to government at all levels.

Judicial systems running amok, profiteering as well as sticking the debt to taxpayers with these huge incarceration costs, which the US has the notoriety of the highest incarceration levels on planet earth. Maybe it's such mind control of prime time prison/police/law crap on TV that sets 'Pavlov's Bell' louder for the American sheeple to believe. Just another notch in Cultural Marxism push.

Intoxiklown
04-05-2013, 08:44 AM
I saw this in Indiana, where they call it a "body attachment". It can be used for any civil debt, and simply requires the person you owe money to file for the attachment, and proof that you are in breach of contract (rental agreement, what have you). The police pick you up, explain that you are not under arrest nor charged with any crime, but lock you in the jail until you can pay the money owed.

I had an employee miss work for a few days over this was how I discovered it, and was in shock. He was dodging a rent-a-center trying to repo a tv or something, until he got his tax return money to pay it off. After refusing to let them get it, they filed a body attachment, and the police showed up t his house to pick him up.

abacabb
04-05-2013, 08:59 AM
What is being described here is not really debtor's prison. It is contempt of a court order. Undoubtedly abused, but let's take a ferinstance.

Suppose a person is driving drunk, runs a red light, and smashes into my car doing $5000 in damage. The court orders him to make restitution to me in the amount of $5000. He says screw you all. Now what?
Why shouldn't he run free? Prison inhibits personal freedom. And, it's your freedom to hit him on the head with a monkey wrench in revenge. Then, we wonder why it's nice to not be cavemen anymore and should have some semblance of government that intervenes to protect personal property.

Seraphim
04-05-2013, 09:03 AM
"I'm not going anywhere officer. If I go somewhere, it's in a body bag. Have a nice day."


I saw this in Indiana, where they call it a "body attachment". It can be used for any civil debt, and simply requires the person you owe money to file for the attachment, and proof that you are in breach of contract (rental agreement, what have you). The police pick you up, explain that you are not under arrest nor charged with any crime, but lock you in the jail until you can pay the money owed.

I had an employee miss work for a few days over this was how I discovered it, and was in shock. He was dodging a rent-a-center trying to repo a tv or something, until he got his tax return money to pay it off. After refusing to let them get it, they filed a body attachment, and the police showed up t his house to pick him up.

Intoxiklown
04-05-2013, 09:19 AM
"I'm not going anywhere officer. If I go somewhere, it's in a body bag. Have a nice day."

This was my response as well. I imagine they just haven't done it to the right person yet. However, honestly, most poor people aren't the ones who can afford to sit in a jail cell, and start WWIII with the state of Indiana.

kcchiefs6465
04-05-2013, 09:54 AM
"I'm not going anywhere officer. If I go somewhere, it's in a body bag. Have a nice day."
Lmao. Let me know how that works out.

Brian4Liberty
04-05-2013, 10:08 AM
Well, they are throwing the Magna Carta out the window, so this is no surprise. Masters and slaves.

Anti Federalist
04-05-2013, 11:25 AM
I'm all for debtors prison. Our government is 16 trillion in debt, we'll start there.

/thread AFAIC